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56 year old murder of 11 year old investigated.

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56 year old murder of 11 year old investigated.

Post by tigger on 08.01.13 19:29

Interestingly just now in the Daily Mail:
Police begin exhuming family grave in search for body of schoolgirl, 11, who went missing 56 years ago as daughter of prime suspect arrives at cemetery.
Forensic specialists search for remains at grave in Lanarkshire, Scotland
Moira Anderson went missing 1957 and was never found
Sandra Brown, daughter of suspect Alexander Gartshore, arrives at scene


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2258950/Moira-Anderson-Police-exhuming-family-grave-search-body-schoolgirl-11-went-missing-56-years-ago-daughter-prime-suspect-arrives-cemetery.html#ixzz2HPhkZWpf
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Seems the father of the girl is the main suspect.
It will be very interesting if the remains of the girl are found. Just at this time too!

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Post by bristow on 09.01.13 11:02

I'm very interested in this case and it is well worth a read of the book written by the suspects daughter Sandra Brown.

Book Description
Sandra Brown was eight when her friend and neighbour, twelve-year-old Moira Anderson, disappeared from the small town of Coatbridge near Glasgow in 1957. Moira has never been seen since. Twenty-seven years later, at a family funeral, Sandra's estranged father confessed to her that he had been involved in the girl's disappearance. Appalled and fascinated by his curious half confession, Sandra began to delve into the case and in so doing discovered that her father was an acknowledged child molester whose activities were known not just to everyone in Coatbridge but also to the police. The horrifying jigsaw she pieced together, along with the admission her father had made, ultimately convinced Sandra that he had indeed been responsible for Moira's disappearance nearly fifty years ago. Where There Is Evil is the remarkable story of Sandra's quest to unravel the mystery and see justice done. 'Completely gripping...Sandra Brown found evil in the person of her own father; and she confronted it as few could have done...Everyone will want to read this amazing story' Andrew O'Hagan 'Inspirational...This book is not only important but unique' Jimmy Boyle
About the Author
Sandra Brown was voted Scotswoman of the Year in 2005 for her work with the Moira Anderson Foundation, the charity she founded in memory of her friend, which offers support to children who have been abused and their families. Previously she worked for a children's charity in Scotland and as a Deputy Headteacher.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Where-There-Evil-Sandra-Brown/dp/0330448714

(You can buy it for a penny.)

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Post by jozi on 09.01.13 12:21

@bristow wrote:I'm very interested in this case and it is well worth a read of the book written by the suspects daughter Sandra Brown.

Book Description
Sandra Brown was eight when her friend and neighbour, twelve-year-old Moira Anderson, disappeared from the small town of Coatbridge near Glasgow in 1957. Moira has never been seen since. Twenty-seven years later, at a family funeral, Sandra's estranged father confessed to her that he had been involved in the girl's disappearance. Appalled and fascinated by his curious half confession, Sandra began to delve into the case and in so doing discovered that her father was an acknowledged child molester whose activities were known not just to everyone in Coatbridge but also to the police. The horrifying jigsaw she pieced together, along with the admission her father had made, ultimately convinced Sandra that he had indeed been responsible for Moira's disappearance nearly fifty years ago. Where There Is Evil is the remarkable story of Sandra's quest to unravel the mystery and see justice done. 'Completely gripping...Sandra Brown found evil in the person of her own father; and she confronted it as few could have done...Everyone will want to read this amazing story' Andrew O'Hagan 'Inspirational...This book is not only important but unique' Jimmy Boyle
About the Author
Sandra Brown was voted Scotswoman of the Year in 2005 for her work with the Moira Anderson Foundation, the charity she founded in memory of her friend, which offers support to children who have been abused and their families. Previously she worked for a children's charity in Scotland and as a Deputy Headteacher.


http://www.amazon.co.uk/Where-There-Evil-Sandra-Brown/dp/0330448714

(You can buy it for a penny.)

Sure this is the same story that I read, about an " elite pedophile gang " that was around at that time and they all knew about it ?To think all those people knew and never said a word....if its the same one, it truly is a evil story ?
How horrible to think or know your dad could do something like this !

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Post by Guest on 09.01.13 17:54

http://news.sky.com/story/1035698/moira-killer-abused-on-same-scale-as-savile

Do we know if Sandra Brown made any accusations against her father when he was alive?

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 09.01.13 18:08

Jean wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1035698/moira-killer-abused-on-same-scale-as-savile

Do we know if Sandra Brown made any accusations against her father when he was alive?

According to this, she campaigned for years to bring him to justice, so I guess, yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Brown_(campaigner)

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Post by Guest on 09.01.13 19:53

Jean wrote:http://news.sky.com/story/1035698/moira-killer-abused-on-same-scale-as-savile

Do we know if Sandra Brown made any accusations against her father when he was alive?
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I haven't read up to the rest yet, but this seems an interesting question to me.

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Post by Guest on 09.01.13 22:54

Yes it does appear that she did.

This is an interview with her in 2005, the year before her father died.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/was-my-paedophile-dad-a-murderer-too-1-1051299

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 09.01.13 23:24

Jean wrote:Yes it does appear that she did.

This is an interview with her in 2005, the year before her father died.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/was-my-paedophile-dad-a-murderer-too-1-1051299

Thanks for that Jean. Im not clear exaxtly when she found out as the amazon write up sugests it was late 70s/ early 80s, depending on how you read it, that he confessed to her, but that scotsman article reads a bit different. Anyway, very sad and murky, I hope they find the wee girls body so she can have a proper burial and resting place.

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Post by bristow on 10.01.13 11:31

From what I remember of the book there is good evidence for a large paedophile ring also involving 'top members' of society.

Heres is Sandra Brown speaking a couple of days ago at the opening of the grave.



And a full interview with her here.


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Post by Guest on 10.01.13 12:09

http://news.sky.com/story/1036113/moira-andersons-remains-not-found-in-grave

I feel that, if Sandra Brown's father was ever part of a padophile ring, as a bus driver he would not have been immune from prosecution - not high up enough in society if you know what I mean.......

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Post by PeterMac on 10.01.13 12:15

Jean wrote:
I feel that, if Sandra Brown's father was ever part of a paedophile ring, as a bus driver he would not have been immune from prosecution - not high up enough in society if you know what I mean.......
It depends on who else he knew in the alleged "ring".
Why was Savile not brought to trial.?
Why not Cyril Smith ?
Because they could also bring down a lot of others ?

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Post by PeterMac on 10.01.13 12:17

In a trial, a Southern small town prosecuting attorney called his first witness to the stand. The witness was a grand motherly, elderly woman.

He approached her and asked, "Mrs.Jones, do you know me?"

he responded, "Why, yes I do know you, Mr. Williams. I've know you since you were a young boy,and frankly, you've been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you're a big shot when you haven't the brains to realize you never will amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher. Yes, I know you. "

The Lawyer was stunned.

Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, "Mrs. Jones. do you know the defense attorney?"

She again replied, "Why yes, I do. I've known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too. He's lazy, bigoted and he has a drinking problem. He can't build a normal relationship with anyone and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women, one of them was your wife. Yes, I know him."

The defense attorney almost died.

The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench, and in a very quiet voice, said,

"If either of you bastards asks her if she knows me, I'll throw you in jail for contempt."

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Post by Guest on 10.01.13 12:20

@PeterMac wrote:
In a trial, a Southern small town prosecuting attorney called his first witness to the stand. The witness was a grand motherly, elderly woman.

He approached her and asked, "Mrs.Jones, do you know me?"

he responded, "Why, yes I do know you, Mr. Williams. I've know you since you were a young boy,and frankly, you've been a big disappointment to me. You lie, you cheat on your wife, you manipulate people and talk about them behind their backs. You think you're a big shot when you haven't the brains to realize you never will amount to anything more than a two-bit paper pusher. Yes, I know you. "

The Lawyer was stunned.

Not knowing what else to do, he pointed across the room and asked, "Mrs. Jones. do you know the defense attorney?"

She again replied, "Why yes, I do. I've known Mr. Bradley since he was a youngster, too. He's lazy, bigoted and he has a drinking problem. He can't build a normal relationship with anyone and his law practice is one of the worst in the entire state. Not to mention he cheated on his wife with three different women, one of them was your wife. Yes, I know him."

The defense attorney almost died.

The judge asked both counselors to approach the bench, and in a very quiet voice, said,

"If either of you bastards asks her if she knows me, I'll throw you in jail for contempt."

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Post by bristow on 10.01.13 16:53

Haha very good PeterMac!

Reminds me a bit of this -

I want to tell you all a story 'bout a Harper Valley widow wife
Who had a teenage daughter that attended Harper Valley Junior High
Well her daughter came home one afternoon and didn't even stop to play
And she said, "Mama, I've got a note here from the Harper Valley PTA"
Well the note says "Mrs. Johnson, you're wearing your dresses way too high
It's been reported you've been drinkin' and a runnin' round with men and goin' wild
Now we don't believe you ought to be a bringin' up your little girl this way"
And it was signed by the Secretary, Harper Valley PTA

Well it happened that the PTA was gonna meet that very afternoon
And boy, were they surprised as Mrs. Johnson wore her miniskirt into the room
And as she walked up to the blackboard I can still recall the word she had to say
She said "I'd like to address this meeting of the Harper Valley PTA

Now there's Bobby Taylor sittin' there and seven times he's asked me for a date
And Mrs. Taylor sure seems to use a lot of ice whenever he's away
And Mr. Baker can you tell us why your secretary had to leave this town
And shouldn't widow Jones be told to keep her window shades all pulled completely down

Now Mr. Harper couldn't be here 'cause he's stayed too long in Kelly's bar again
And if you smell Shirley Thompson's breath you'll find she's had a little nip of gin
And then you have the nerve to tell me as a mother you think that I ain't fit
Well this is just a little Payton place and you're all Harper Valley hypocrits

Now I wouldn't put you on because it really did, it happened just this way
That day my Mama socked it to the Harper Valley PTA
That day my Mama socked it to 'em at the Harper Valley PTA


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Post by jozi on 11.01.13 10:32

Just found out that the grave does not contain Moira Andersons remains, shame.

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