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Post by maebee on Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:40 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248831/Madeleine-detective-U-S-accused-swindling-30k-extradited.html




  • Kevin Halligen will be flown to Washington on Thursday after losing his High Court appeal
  • In 2008, Halligen's company signed a contract to help find Maddie, who went missing a year earlier


By Mail On Sunday Reporter

PUBLISHED:23:17 GMT, 15 December 2012| UPDATED:23:36 GMT, 15 December 2012













No leads: Madeleine McCann

A self-styled security consultant accused of swindling the Madeleine McCann fund out of £300,000 is to be extradited to the United States this week to face fraud charges.

Kevin Halligen, 53, lost his final appeal before the High Court in London on Friday and will be flown to Washington on Thursday to face allegations of cheating former business partners out of £1.2 million.

In 2008, Halligen’s company Oakley International signed a contract to help find Maddie, who went missing in Portugal a year earlier.


He said he would use his MI6 and CIA contacts and high-tech surveillance equipment in the hunt but over six months he came up with no new leads.

He was arrested in Oxford in November 2009 after fleeing Washington DC when the US government began seeking an indictment against him for ‘wire fraud and money laundering’.








US Courts have also ordered Halligen to pay about £4 million to other former business partners who claim he fleeced them.

Halligen had been fighting extradition since his arrest

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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:48 pm

Probably a silly question, but if he is accused of swindling the Madeleine Fund then why is he not facing charges here? Why are they sending him packing to the USA.....

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Post by maebee on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:02 am

candyfloss wrote:Probably a silly question, but if he is accused of swindling the Madeleine Fund then why is he not facing charges here? Why are they sending him packing to the USA.....



Hi Candy,

I think it's this: Kevin Halligen, 53, lost his final appeal before the High Court in London on Friday and will be flown to Washington on Thursday to face allegations of cheating former business partners out of £1.2 million

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Post by Guest on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:08 am

@maebee wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Probably a silly question, but if he is accused of swindling the Madeleine Fund then why is he not facing charges here? Why are they sending him packing to the USA.....



Hi Candy,

I think it's this: Kevin Halligen, 53, lost his final appeal before the High Court in London on Friday and will be flown to Washington on Thursday to face allegations of cheating former business partners out of £1.2 million

Hi maebee, isn't that related to fraud in America though, nothing to do with this country? I was asking that if he is alleged to have swindled the Madeleine Fund, then surely if he is in this country then he should stay here to face charges if they are true. Surely this country takes precedence if a crime has been committed here?

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Post by maebee on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:20 am

candyfloss wrote:
@maebee wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Probably a silly question, but if he is accused of swindling the Madeleine Fund then why is he not facing charges here? Why are they sending him packing to the USA.....



Hi Candy,

I think it's this: Kevin Halligen, 53, lost his final appeal before the High Court in London on Friday and will be flown to Washington on Thursday to face allegations of cheating former business partners out of £1.2 million

Hi maebee, isn't that related to fraud in America though, nothing to do with this country? I was asking that if he is alleged to have swindled the Madeleine Fund, then surely if he is in this country then he should stay here to face charges if they are true. Surely this country takes precedence if a crime has been committed here?

Yep Candy, it looks like it's all about his his fraud charges in the U.S. They added in that he was accused of swindling the "Madeleine Fund" out of £300,000 but no follow up on that. Surprise, surprise Sad

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Post by T4two on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:36 am

He said he would use
his MI6 and CIA contacts and high-tech surveillance equipment in the
hunt but over six months he came up with no new leads.

Hmmmm. Just because he came up with no new leads doesn't automatically mean that Halligen swindled the fund out of anything. What if there just weren't any leads to come up with? Perhaps The Mail should ask Scotland Yard. After all, the Yard have been on the case for far longer than Halligen ever was and haven't come up with any leads either. Does this mean that Scotland Yard have swindled the British taxpayer out of millions of pounds? Now if Halligen had fabricated leads which were patently complete and utter rubbish, there would surely be a case for accusing him of swindling the fund. But suppose Halligen were able to demonstrate that this kind of fabrication of leads was actually one of the main activities of the fund itself, wouldn't action against Halligen by the fund be highly unadvisable? There could of course be a quite simple explanation as to why the fund or its directors have taken no action to recover the 'paltry' sum of 300k or why the British police have not charged Halligen with a criminal offence - but try as I may, I just cannot think of one.

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Halligen: Still the truth about why he was appointed by the McCann Team has not come out

Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:12 am

@maebee wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248831/Madeleine-detective-U-S-accused-swindling-30k-extradited.html

He said he would use his MI6 and CIA contacts and high-tech surveillance equipment in the hunt but over six months he came up with no new leads.
So, Kevin Halligen a.k.a. Richard Halligen will be flying to Washington to face justice on Thursday, 20 December 2012?

Three years and two months after he was finally arrested in a £700-a-night Oxfordshire Hotel, and a further year after going on the run to avoid extradition. He's been evading the U.S. authorities for at least four years now. I'll believe that Kevin Halligen is on his way to the U.S. when I see a photo of him actually in the U.S.

Points from the artiicle:

1. The Daily Mail headline is wrong; it wasn't '30k', it was £300,000

2. Even that figure is wrong. The balance of the evidence is that the McCanns' Find Madeleine Fund paid him £500,000 and plus expenses

3. The next question is whether he 'swindled' the McCanns and the Directors of the Find Madeleine Fund. Who appointed him? Well, the McCann Team did, the 'big 5' of the McCann Team being the McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, Brian Kennedy and Edward Smethurst. It is doubtful whether any other Directors of the Fund had anything to do with the decision, other than gettting out their rubber-stamp. The man very much in charge of the McCanns' private investigation throughout has been Brian Kennedy, a man who has made hundreds of millions of pounds from being a highly successful businessman. What are the chances that he and the rest of the McCann Team were 'deceived', 'tricked', 'swindled' into appointing this man? Were they really all that naive?

4. So, according to the Daily Mail, he 'came up with no new leads'. Was he ever meant to?

5. The Daily Mail article says he worked for the McCanns for 6 months. The balance of the evidence, again, is that he began work for the McCann Team in April 2008 and ceased to work for them in August 2008. Four, not six months.

6. And let's not forget, finally, the huge and deliberate deception by the McCann Team of claiming, via Clarence Mitchell, that Halligen's bogus company Oakley International, created after Madeleine McCann was reported missing, were 'the big boys of international private detection'.

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Post by tigger on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:53 am

Looking at this from another point of view: It's almost as if BK is like a well-meaning uncle to the McCanns who knows just the man to repair your car or knows a trustworthy plumber to repair the boiler.

First it's Metodo3 - an outfit without any track record of finding lost - well, lost anything. They appear to have benefitted from about the same amount as was paid to Halligen. Seems to be a standard rate of pay.

We haven't even mentioned Alphaig, that lonely outpost in the Welsh mountains.

Well, nobody seems to blame Uncle B. winkwink

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Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:04 am

@T4two wrote:Hmmmm. Just because he came up with no new leads doesn't automatically mean that Halligen swindled the Fund out of anything.

REPLY: True. But was it ever intended that he would come up with 'a new lead', let alone 'find Madeleine'?

What if there just weren't any leads to come up with?

REPLY: You mean, the whole of the Fund and the succession of the private investigations was a scam?

Perhaps The Mail should ask Scotland Yard. After all, the Yard have been on the case for far longer than Halligen ever was and haven't come up with any leads either.

REPLY: Well, according to sources, as reported by the British mainstream media last month, Scotland Yard is examining the idea that Raymond Hewlett might have something to do with Madeleine's disappearance, or even personally 'stole' her, perhaps selling her on to a 'wealthy North African family'. And that is even after D.C.I. Redwood reported earlier this year (at the time of the new age-progressed picture of Madeleine and the release of Dr Kate McCann's book in paperback) that his 38-strong team were investigating '195 lines of enquiry' (= leads)

Does this mean that Scotland Yard have swindled the British taxpayer out of millions of pounds?

REPLY: It might mean that those who forced Scotland Yard to carry out this review have swindled the British taxpayer: The McCanns > The McCann Team > Rupert Murdoch > News International > Rebekah Brooks > David Cameron > Theresa May > Sir Paul Stephenson > D.C.I. Andy Redwood...

Now if Halligen had fabricated leads which were patently complete and utter rubbish, there would surely be a case for accusing him of swindling the Fund. But suppose Halligen were able to demonstrate that this kind of fabrication of leads was actually one of the main activities of the Fund itself, wouldn't action against Halligen by the fund be highly unadvisable?

REPLY: Yes, it would be impossible. But then if what you suggest is correct, it would give Scotland Yard the basis for arresting the entire McCann Team, and Halligen himself, on suspicion of perverting the course of justice, fruad, and obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception

There could of course be a quite simple explanation as to why the Fund or its directors have taken no action to recover the 'paltry' sum of 300k

REPLY: 500K PLUS expenses

or why the British police have not charged Halligen with a criminal offence - but try as I may, I just cannot think of one.

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Post by sharonl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:16 am

Was it not Brian Kennedy who allegedly channelled these funds to Halligen through one his own companies?

What I fail to understand is how a shrewd business man could appoint someone for such a significant role without checking him out thoroughly first. Kennedy has the resources to appoint the best PI team, so why choose a company that was recently set up with a man who has no experience in locating missing children?

On August 1st 2007, Smethurst, Kennedy and Stuart Lees set up N E Investments limited, they all resigned on 10 Feb 2010 when David Channillor was appointed. If this is the company that they used to pay Halligen, those two dates may be interesting.


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Post by PeterMac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:49 am

Pity the Mail gets the figure wrong in the headline and then at the end of the piece. But that is par for the course, as we know.

Why is he not being charged in the UK ?
Because no one has made a formal complaint against him.
The directors and trustees of the fund, the solicitors acting for the Fund, the McCs themselves have made no formal allegation.
No crime has been recorded.

The question is - Why ?
One possible reason is that to do so would involve making a very detailed statement - and for Fraud they are incredibly detailed - and no one associated with the Fund wishes to get involved.

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Post by tigger on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:26 pm

The question may be asked why the McCanns chose not to take Halligen to court but have no problem taking Tony Bennett to court. There is not going to be much in the way of pecuniary advantage in this action. At the very best it will pay for only a part of the costs incurred by them, that is a phyric victory, at worst they will not recoup any costs and the publicity (however modest) would not benefit the McCanns either. Resultant press reports may just be factual and journalists might not be leaning over backwards to put TM in a good light if they don't have to.

Leveson report does have its uses.

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Post by Ribisl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:44 pm

A self-styled security consultant accused of swindling the Madeleine McCann fund out of £300,000 is to be extradited to the United States this week to face fraud charges.
I am a bit confused. Who exactly is accusing him of 'swindling'? Is it the DM reporter writing these headlines? Have the McCanns made a public complaint after appointing him in the first place? Or is this simply a media campaign in their effort to disassociate themselves from someone who is being extradited to face fraud charges?

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Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:06 pm

@Ribisl wrote:
A self-styled security consultant accused of swindling the Madeleine McCann fund out of £300,000 is to be extradited to the United States this week to face fraud charges.
I am a bit confused. Who exactly is accusing him of 'swindling'?

Ribisl, just for the record, here are the key things said by Dr Kate McCann on pages 283-4 of the hardback edition of her book 'madeleine':

"We had one particularly bad experience with a man named Kevin Halligen (or Richard as we knew him). Halligen was the CEO of a private-investigation firm called Oakley International which was hired by Madeleine's Fund for six months from the end of March 2008. Oakley's proposal and overall strategy were streets ahead of all the others we'd considered and the company came highly recommended...we agreed that our contract with them would be sp[loit into three phases with a nbreak clause at the nd of ewach phase. This gave us an opportunity to terminate the contract at any of these points if we wished to do so without incurring financial penalties. An independent consultant was also employed...to liaise with Oakley and oversee [their] work...

"The first and second phases of the contract ran fairly smoothly...There is little doubt that at that stage progress was being made...

"...we began to have concerns. Feedback appeared to be less forthcoming and contact with certain members of the Oakley team dropped off...Rumours about Halligen prompted us to make enquiries before we decided whether or not we should extend our contracxt...The termination of the contract, in September 2008, was quite acrimonious...Several months later, one of the investigators subcontracted by Oakley contacted us to demand payment for his services. We had already settled Oakley's bill for this work months before, but apparently the company had not paid him...Over time several more unpaid subcontractors came to light. We were upset that...money provided by Madeleine's Fund might not ever have reached the people who had earned it. In Novemenbr 2009 we heard that Halligen had been arrested on suspicion of fraud...He is currently on remand...fighting extradition to the USA..."

Is it the DM reporter writing these headlines? Have the McCanns made a public complaint after appointing him in the first place?

REPLY: There is nothing to suggest that they have

Or is this simply a media campaign in their effort to disassociate themselves from someone who is being extradited to face fraud charges?

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Post by Ribisl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 6:46 pm

Thanks Tony and apologies. I had read the book on my Kindle some time ago but couldn't recall that particular detail. E-books are great except when you want to flick through the pages quickly in search of references.

If their agreement was with Oakley International and their bills were settled prior to the termination of the contract, as Kate states, then surely they have no grounds for legally challenging Halligan, not for negligence or defrauding. OI's subcontractors would be the potential litigants if they really haven't been paid by OI for their share of work. Am I wrong, Tony?

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Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:07 pm

@Ribisl wrote:Thanks Tony and apologies. I had read the book on my Kindle some time ago but couldn't recall that particular detail. E-books are great except when you want to flick through the pages quickly in search of references.

If their agreement was with Oakley International and their bills were settled prior to the termination of the contract, as Kate states, then surely they have no grounds for legally challenging Halligen, not for negligence or defrauding.

REPLY: I read this particular passage of Dr Kate McCann's book, which raises many more questions than it provides answers, with an unusually heavy dose of salt. I think actually, even if for a moment we accept all that we have been told by KM on these 2 pages as the unvarnished and whole truth about Halligen's involvement, that the McCanns do, on the face of it, have a legal cause of action against Halligen. These all appear to be possible:

Briefly:

* Breach of contract

* Deception (claiming he'd paid his 'subcontractors' when he hadn't)

* Fruad

* Obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception.

Other questions raised:

+ Who was the 'independent consultant' allegedly 'providing oversight'?

+ Why didn't the Fund Trustees/Directors and the McCann Team in general supervise this contract properly?

+ Why wasn't appropriate 'due diligence' undertaken by the McCann Team/The Fund?

+ Oakley, says KM, came 'highly recommended'. Oakley was a brand new company, formed after Madeleine was reported missing. Who was in a position to recommend Oakley.

AND:

Did Madeleine's Fund pay all these unpaid subcontractors? Or leave them to flounder? Did they make any attempt to recover monies from Halligen? If so, KM doesn't say so in her book.

OI's subcontractors would be the potential litigants if they really haven't been paid by OI for their share of work. Am I wrong, Tony?

You're right, but the subcontractors IMO could sue not only Halligen, but also those who contracted with him in the first place. Let's face it, it was because of the decisions (and failure to supervise) of the McCanns, Brian Kennedy and the Trustee Directors of The fund, not forgetting their 'independent consultant', that these subcontractors lost money

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Post by ShuBob on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:09 pm

@Ribisl wrote:
A self-styled security consultant accused of swindling the Madeleine McCann fund out of £300,000 is to be extradited to the United States this week to face fraud charges.
I am a bit confused. Who exactly is accusing him of 'swindling'? Is it the DM reporter writing these headlines? Have the McCanns made a public complaint after appointing him in the first place? Or is this simply a media campaign in their effort to disassociate themselves from someone who is being extradited to face fraud charges?

To add to the confusion, here's Clarence Mitchell's reported reaction to Halligen's arrest having previously denied that he swindled the Fund:

'"Family spokesman Mr Mitchell said: "We are glad this man was tracked down. It is distressing someone would seek to make money out of Madeleine."'

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2746506/Maddie-rat-Kevin-Halligen-tried-to-sue-FindMadeleine-fund-for-150k.html

Note that one of the authors of the Sun article is Antonella Lazzeri. I will say no more.

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Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:17 pm

It's useful, perhaps, if we pause to recall these parts of Mark Hollingsworth's article in the Evening Standard (August 2009) re Halligen. His article was published two months or so before Halligen was found - by something of a fluke - lording it in a £700-a-night Oxfordshire hotel:

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“Halligen made a fortune from Trafigura and was suddenly flying everywhere first-class, staying at the Lansborough and Stafford hotels in London and The Willard hotel in Washington DC for months at a time. In 2007 he set up Oakley International Group and registered at the offices of the prestigious law firm Patton Boggs, in Washington DC, as an international security company. He was now strutting the stage as a self-proclaimed international spy expert and joined the Special Forces Club in Knightsbridge, where he met H.E.”

Hollingsworth continued:

“During the Madeleine investigation, Halligen spent vast amounts of time in the HeyJo bar in the basement of the Abracadabra Club near his Jermyn Street office. Armed with a clutch of unregistered mobile phones and a Blackberry, the bar was in effect his office. ‘He was there virtually the whole day,’ a former colleague told the ‘Evening Standard’. ‘He had an amazing tolerance for alcohol and a prodigious memory and so occasionally he would have amazing bursts of intelligence, lucidity and insights. They were very rare but they did happen.’
So the hunt for Madeleine McCann was at that time being led by a hard-drinking Irishman - Halligen - using a London bar as the base for his operations - all funded by the ‘No Stone Unturned’ fund, or by Brian Kennedy (or both). This was the man who set up Oakley International, the fourth set of private investigators used by the McCanns and Brian Kennedy - see below.

Hollingsworth’s article continued:

"When not imbibing in St James’s, Halligen was in the United States, trying to drum up investors for Oakley International. On 15 August 2008, at the height of the McCann investigation crisis, he persuaded Andre Hollis, a former US Drug enforcement agency official, to write out an $80,000 cheque to Oakley in return for a 10% share-holding. The money was then transferred into the private accounts of Halligen and his girlfriend Shirin Trachiotis to finance a holiday in Italy, according to Hollis. In a $6 million lawsuit filed in Fairfax County, Virginia, Hollis alleges that Halligen ‘received monies for Oakley’s services rendered and deposited the same into his personal accounts’ and ‘repeatedly and systematically depleted funds from Oakley’s bank accounts for inappropriate personal expenses’.

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Whilst all this was going on, the public were continually being asked to donate to the Fund, 'every penny of which will be used to further the search for Madeleine...'

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Post by PeterMac on Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:45 pm

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Whilst all this was going on, the public were continually being asked to donate to the Fund, 'every penny of which will be used to further the search for Madeleine...'
1 Follow the money
2 Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion, not for murder, drugs, alcohol, extortion or anything else.
3 The "Fund" is an English Company, domiciled in England, and operating under and subject to English Law
4 There will be a forensic trace on all transactions, whether they have put them in the public domain or not. The solicitors and the accountant will not dare to destroy evidence.

For what it is worth, I think the "Fund" will be the ultimate downfall of a number of people.

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Post by Ribisl on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:11 pm

@PeterMac wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
Whilst all this was going on, the public were continually being asked to donate to the Fund, 'every penny of which will be used to further the search for Madeleine...'
1 Follow the money
2 Al Capone went to prison for tax evasion, not for murder, drugs, alcohol, extortion or anything else.
3 The "Fund" is an English Company, domiciled in England, and operating under and subject to English Law
4 There will be a forensic trace on all transactions, whether they have put them in the public domain or not. The solicitors and the accountant will not dare to destroy evidence.

For what it is worth, I think the "Fund" will be the ultimate downfall of a number of people.
I am not so sure. If we assume for a moment that there was genuine will and commitment by SY to investigate the McCanns, they ought to be able to obtain bank records and credit card statements even though these were never made available to the PJ. But unless they find Madeleine's body, would SY really have sufficient impetus to switch the focus of their investigation towards the McCanns?

The Fund's annual accounts have been audited each year and signed off by its directors. I doubt there would be anything in them that could be traced back to any illegal activities. Private cash donations, for example, must be impossible to trace in any case. One of the objects of the Fund is 'to provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family' which pretty much covers any money they may have spent on themselves. Maybe I am missing something?

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Re: Madeleine 'detective' from U.S accused of swindling £300k (DM headline wrongly says only £30k) from search fund extradited

Post by Guest on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:15 pm

That's my hope too PeterMac. Financial fraud seems to me to be taken more seriously than crimes that physically hurt people.

A reminder again of the interesting independent report on the Fund.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html

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Post by Tony Bennett on Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:47 pm

@Ribisl wrote:Private cash donations, for example, must be impossible to trace in any case. One of the objects of the Fund is 'to provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family' which pretty much covers any money they may have spent on themselves. Maybe I am missing something?
In my own case, Ribisl, the McCanns, via Carter-Ruck and Jacob Dean, barrister, have already racked up costs of over £150,000. I have it on the written record from Carter-Ruck that not a penny of Madeleine's Fund has been used to cover these costs (I think it is different in the case of McCanns v Amaral, I think they admit that public donations have been used for that four-year-long running action).

So, have they paid that £150,000-plus to Carter-Ruck from their own bank account (in which case the payments are traceable) or is a private donor paying Carter-Ruck direct? (in which case, again, there will clearly be an audit trail).

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:31 am

@PeterMac wrote:[...]

For what it is worth, I think the "Fund" will be the ultimate downfall of a number of people.
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My thoughts too.
IF, I say IF, they somehow knew Madeleine was not to be found alive, the Fund = a Fraud.

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Post by PeterMac on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:08 am

Châtelaine wrote:
IF, I say IF, they somehow knew Madeleine was not to be found alive, the Fund = a Fraud.
"Find the body and prove that we killed her" ?

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Re: Madeleine 'detective' from U.S accused of swindling £300k (DM headline wrongly says only £30k) from search fund extradited

Post by Ribisl on Mon Dec 17, 2012 8:36 am

@Tony Bennett wrote:In my own case, Ribisl, the McCanns, via Carter-Ruck and Jacob Dean, barrister, have already racked up costs of over £150,000. I have it on the written record from Carter-Ruck that not a penny of Madeleine's Fund has been used to cover these costs (I think it is different in the case of McCanns v Amaral, I think they admit that public donations have been used for that four-year-long running action).

So, have they paid that £150,000-plus to Carter-Ruck from their own bank account (in which case the payments are traceable) or is a private donor paying Carter-Ruck direct? (in which case, again, there will clearly be an audit trail).
Isn't it possible that they have a CFA with C-R and therefore the said amount has not actually been paid over to them? We have KM saying C-R are doing a vast amount of work 'without payment' and we know they wouldn't work for free.

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