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Post by ufercoffy on 16.03.10 18:35

did you begin to question the McCanns version of events?

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Post by Rainbow on 16.03.10 18:38

Not sure I do tbh.

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Post by Autumn on 16.03.10 18:45

When I heard that the McCanns had left their children unsupervised - caring parents would never dream of leaving children as young as theirs alone and frightened. Nothing that I have read or heard since has made me doubt my belief that they know what happened to her.

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Post by ufercoffy on 16.03.10 18:50

Same as me Autumn. I couldn't believe it when I heard that. At first the media said they were dining just round the corner and could see the apartment but it turned out that was an understatement.

My son lives about 1 minutes walk away from Tesco Express and he said he wouldn't even go there for pint of milk leaving the kids alone let alone with the front door unlocked.

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Post by Guest on 16.03.10 18:59

Same here, although one thing made me think WTF is seeing one of their first interviews and KM wearing dangly earrings. I said to my OH straight away, how can you possibly be thinking of putting your earrings in when your child is missing. It would be the last thing on my mind. Sounds a silly reason, but it just seemed unbelievable.

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Post by ufercoffy on 16.03.10 19:03

And seeing them jogging and trying to run up the bloody hill in 11 minutes made me think wtf.

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 16.03.10 19:03

I remember quite early on thinking their demeanour was strange, but believed that Madeleine had been abducted and put the strangeness down to possibly being medicated, discomfort in front of the cameras etc. It also puzzled me why they refused to consider that Madeleine had woken up and wandered out of the apartment. However, I gave them the benefit of the doubt on that too.
It was when the statements to the media began to change, door locked/unlocked, shutters jemmied/not jemmied and so it went on, but the clincher for me was when I went to PDL to see for myself. The apartment which was not visible from the Tapas Bar, the apartments overlooking the bedroom window the abductor was supposed to have removed Madeleine from, standing where Jane Tanner said she was when she saw the pinky aspect pyjamas. I knew then that, for sure, the group had not been truthful, and I wondered why that should be so. The unfolding saga of private detectives didn't help either.
The release of the PJ files confirmed to me that Madeleine had not been abducted.

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Post by Autumn on 16.03.10 19:12

And how on earth could she even think about having hi-lites done so soon after her child had gone missing?

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Post by Autumn on 16.03.10 19:25

@justagrannynow 1 wrote:I remember quite early on thinking their demeanour was strange, but believed that Madeleine had been abducted and put the strangeness down to possibly being medicated, discomfort in front of the cameras etc. It also puzzled me why they refused to consider that Madeleine had woken up and wandered out of the apartment. However, I gave them the benefit of the doubt on that too.
It was when the statements to the media began to change, door locked/unlocked, shutters jemmied/not jemmied and so it went on, but the clincher for me was when I went to PDL to see for myself. The apartment which was not visible from the Tapas Bar, the apartments overlooking the bedroom window the abductor was supposed to have removed Madeleine from, standing where Jane Tanner said she was when she saw the pinky aspect pyjamas. I knew then that, for sure, the group had not been truthful, and I wondered why that should be so. The unfolding saga of private detectives didn't help either.
The release of the PJ files confirmed to me that Madeleine had not been abducted.

How very true, people gave them the benefit of the doubt many times over, pushing away those niggling feelings that they were hiding something. Justagran, seeing the places most of us have only seen photos of, brought home to you the impossibility of an abduction - this goes to show how important it was that the group all participated in a reconstruction as requested to do so by the PJ. No wonder they refused.

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Post by Cherry on 16.03.10 19:48

Their behaviour didnt seem right, the jogging, earrings, ribbons in hair, etc.

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Post by Autumn on 16.03.10 20:10

And who can forget the 'Whoosh-clunk' moment, complete with wierd hand gesture? To describe what was meant to be the moment her child disappeared in such a dismissive manner simply beggars belief Crying or Very sad

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Post by Otium on 16.03.10 23:13

To this day I am utterly amazed about them defending the undefendable with regard to leaving their children alone in a foreign apartment with comments such as "like dining in your back gardern" etc etc yada yada. We have all heard them and discussed before so I wont go into them but insert at your leisure.

I would not feel so angry about their behaviour, if only they had put their hands up and told the world what they did was wrong - VERY WRONG indeed.

If they had campaigned about the dangers about leaving young children alone instead of jumping on the band wagon of Amber Alert, I would have had far more respect for them and would not have questioned their behaviour so much.

If there is one single thing that just simply takes my breath away is why any parent would wash their missing child's favourite toy Shocked Shocked It was this that lead my already ringing alarm bells to deafen me.

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Post by listener on 17.03.10 0:46

What drew my attention initially was the Algarve being described as a haven for pedos.
In my past life (before I had a wee stroke) I used to frequent the Lagos/Luz/Burgau area as I often flew from Lagos Aerodrome.
I had always thought that that area was so child-friendly as I had noticed that when you saw the local kids out playing, there was always an parent around to keep an eye on them. Not having seen any other part of Portugal, I cannot make general comment about the country, but having travelled far and wide in the past, seeing other cultures, I did (and still do) believe that that area of the Algarve to be one of the good places for childrens growing up. (probably also why the place is full of expats and their kids, especially brits - would they be there if it was a pedo haven? I think not!)

So that drew my attention initially - and then came all the descrepencies and mannerisms!

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Post by Kololi on 17.03.10 7:43

Hi
It was the immediate behaviour for me too, particularly the way that they insisted on Madeleine having been abducted with them appearing to have no concern at all that any other theory might be possible. I felt I was being directed to think in one way only.

As time has gone by odd things have pushed me to the middle ground and I am not sure that they deliberately harmed her at all. Time is the main factor for this as I just can't imagine anybody trying to fool the world for so long without snapping and confessing.

I possibly would have been swayed to believing the abduction theory in total if they had done as Otium mentions and campaigned to raise awareness of the dangers of leaving children alone. I think their insistence in maintaining that they behaved within the realms of good parenting and that all parents do it keeps me firmly doubting their words as such arrogance presents as people simply protecting their own interests and not those of a child gone missing because of the parents selfish and neglectful behaviour.

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Post by Otium on 17.03.10 10:37

@Kololi wrote:Hi
It was the immediate behaviour for me too, particularly the way that they insisted on Madeleine having been abducted with them appearing to have no concern at all that any other theory might be possible. I felt I was being directed to think in one way only.

As time has gone by odd things have pushed me to the middle ground and I am not sure that they deliberately harmed her at all. Time is the main factor for this as I just can't imagine anybody trying to fool the world for so long without snapping and confessing.

I possibly would have been swayed to believing the abduction theory in total if they had done as Otium mentions and campaigned to raise awareness of the dangers of leaving children alone. I think their insistence in maintaining that they behaved within the realms of good parenting and that all parents do it keeps me firmly doubting their words as such arrogance presents as people simply protecting their own interests and not those of a child gone missing because of the parents selfish and neglectful behaviour.

Take care

Bravo! Excellent post Kololi. You have said everything I think and believe in a nutshell.

I'm not sure if the McCanns harmed Madeleine allbeit deliberately or by accident either. This is my stumbling block. But what I do know is that many things just don't sound or feel right.

I know many McCann supporters will say "you can't judge them by your feelings" etc but I trust my gut instinct and have done for many years. At times I find it very hard to express what I think about the McCann's behaviour and why I feel the way I do about them. It is this reason why I like your post so much.

My other stumbling block is in bold. I can't get my head around it. I don't think they have 'snapped' due to their arrogance, and if we believe that they know more than they are letting on, it is essential for them to convince themselves to believe what they are saying to be the truth in order to peddle it as such to world at large.

I agree that time is the key here, from their ever changing timelines to the world finally finding out what happened to Madeleine.

What I believe about the truth in any event is that it is always at the beginning because as time passes it gives people the opportunity to mold, weave and shape what really happened to fit the truth. But as far as I am concerned the truth will always speak for itself.

The one quote I will always remember from a School Assembly is this: The truth may be hidden but it can never be extinguished.

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Post by baconbutty on 17.03.10 11:06

I think it was the first radio news item I heard about the case, firstly learning that Madeleine had been left alone save for the siblings, and secondly that the parents who were "dining" elsewhere ("dining" -- such a quaint, genteel euphemism) were doctors.
At this point the information literally stopped me in my tracks and lightbulbs were going off in my head. I remember thinking "I must keep tabs on this story because something stinks here", and here I am, older, sadder, wiser.

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Post by Ruby on 17.03.10 11:44

It was the news reports that got my interest piqued.
Reporting that the parents were doctors and who had 'dined' (exactly what you said about this inoffensive sounding quaint word, baconbutty, in another building and my other half looked at each other and our jaws literally dropped in disbelief.
The news reporters comments regarding the idiocy of this were conspicuous by their absence then, as they still are today. Writer after writer tried to chip away the seriousness of it by trying to normalise very abnormal behaviour and the McCanns stance, since the start, has always looked like if anyone dares question this, Gerry will step in with a Glasgow kiss. That Portuguese reporter must have come very close.

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Post by Nit+Wit on 17.03.10 20:04

When I saw and heard the 4th May press statement from GM

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Re: At what point in the proceedings....

Post by kathyBelle on 17.03.10 20:48

Hi Ufer, I decided something was not quite right with this case, when I heard Kate McCann say they hadn't physically searched for Madeleine.

When I heard that they had lied over the childrens sleeping habits, the shutter, the view from the Tapas Bar and the checks, I came to the conclusion that the McCanns knew were Madeleine was and if she was dead or alive.

I am disgusted that not only is the fund assisting the McCanns, it is also assisting their wider family. Clarence Mitchell announced that in a recent media interview.

If anyone wants to listen to Mitchell revealing that fact, the video is on the Joana Morais board. The video is called Clarence Mitchell is spinning for the McCanns and you can find it on page 7 of the threads. If you scroll down the home page, to just above the comments, you will see a list of pages where threads can be found. Just click on 7 and you will see the video.

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Post by sue xx on 17.03.10 21:05

It was right at the start for me .This mother has just had a child abducted by her way of it ,But she she left the twins in the apartment and ran back to the tapa bar ,was she not botherd that the invisable abductor would have taken the twins .. The bone dry eyes , Not even looking for maddie ,according to kate it only took her a couple of seconds to know maddie was abducted ,wonder why she knew that ..... The jogging ,still playing tennis .the list is endless .... Iam a mother and a grand mother ,and i just know i would be a broken woman if it was my child that was missing ....

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Post by aiyoyo on 17.03.10 21:36

Their overexposure and overspin did it for me and everyone I know (fyi ranging over a few continents covering multinationals) when the case got mentioned.

All smoke and mirror is common comment I heard. All regarded their behaviour, and need to include politicians to keep this high profile very fishy. You see no one trusted people with connections to politicians. The general consensus is crime and politicians shouldnt go hand in hand. A liaison from the word 'go' implies something that stinks to high heaven is being given a special treatment.

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