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STATEMENT ANALYSIS Peter Hyatt taking up analysis of McCann interviews again

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Post by PeterMac on 16.11.12 10:35

@aiyoyo wrote:
NOT their child, but a small child!
Very indirect, cold, and impersonal - and the reason behind.......?

It is a medical and clinical approach, which may is dying out.
"The bladder cancer in bed 6, the prostate in 8 . . ."

It is to disassociate yourself from the subject, so you can deal with the clinical reality, rather than get emotionally involved.
A weeping surgeon or an upset police officer is useless. Not fit for purpose.
But in this case they were parents of a missing child, not doctors dealing with the death . . . or have I missed something ?

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Post by tigger on 16.11.12 12:02

@PeterMac wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
NOT their child, but a small child!
Very indirect, cold, and impersonal - and the reason behind.......?

It is a medical and clinical approach, which may is dying out.
"The bladder cancer in bed 6, the prostate in 8 . . ."

It is to disassociate yourself from the subject, so you can deal with the clinical reality, rather than get emotionally involved.
A weeping surgeon or an upset police officer is useless. Not fit for purpose.
But in this case they were parents of a missing child, not doctors dealing with the death . . . or have I missed something ?

Madeleine, instead of Maddie. Overwriting the 'very difficult' behaviour with attributes such as 'tower of strength' and 'she was my 'best friend'.

Miles and miles away from the real child, as was the iconic photograph - an idealised version of the perfect child.

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Post by Guest on 16.11.12 21:27

Some more statement analysis from when the book was published. Again a number of red flags indicated...
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.fr/2012/11/statement-analysis-mccann-interview-2011.html

The summary conclusion is:

This interview was much better than the others I have seen and has convinced me that the McCanns have guilty knowledge on what happened to Madeleine on the night they reported her missing.

Perhaps the "accident" that they refer to is their use of medication to put Madeleine to sleep while they were on vacation, of which they then discovered that they had unintentionally overdosed her.

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Post by Bob Southgate on 16.11.12 21:37

@PeterMac wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
NOT their child, but a small child!
Very indirect, cold, and impersonal - and the reason behind.......?

It is a medical and clinical approach, which may is dying out.
"The bladder cancer in bed 6, the prostate in 8 . . ."

It is to disassociate yourself from the subject, so you can deal with the clinical reality, rather than get emotionally involved.
A weeping surgeon or an upset police officer is useless. Not fit for purpose.
But in this case they were parents of a missing child, not doctors dealing with the death . . . or have I missed something ?

No matter how long you have done the job for, how good your training, how would a professional react if their child disappeared? Would they be able to keep their emotions in check in such circumstances?

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Post by Guest on 16.11.12 21:46

Not sure if this is the right thread. But wanted to post it anyway ...


An open letter byhttp://www.ishtarsgate.com/forum/showthread.php?3641-An-Open-Letter-to-Lord-Alistair-McAlpine&p=19151#post19151

A snippet:
"McAlpine's advice on dealing with the media? Spread false defeat to gain public sympathy; or false accusation and then arrange for it to be exposed as such - so the accuser will forever be treated with suspicion. "

Machiavellian. And that is what it is. McCs must have read McAlpine's book, or being more literate, Machiavelli himself ... Or should we rather credit Mitchell?

ETA And poor Messhan ...

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Post by PeterMac on 17.11.12 7:46

@Bob Southgate wrote:
No matter how long you have done the job for, how good your training, how would a professional react if their child disappeared? Would they be able to keep their emotions in check in such circumstances?
I think that depends on the person.
A close friend and colleague was in the control room when a Southern force rang to ask us to check out a registration number of a car they had found by the cliffs, and a body at the base. They gave him the number.
It was that of his long term partner. He confirmed all the details, including that of his relationship, and then simply asked the Inspector if he might be excused for a short time.
His name is David Cranmer and his story was written up in the Sunday Times Magazine many years ago.
He was allowed compassionate leave and the shift turned up in uniform for the funeral.
This was in the 80s, so people who say the Service is homophobic are simply wrong.

On a personal note, when I was burgled I went into icy professional mode, not touching anything, not entering rooms except to ensure the perp. was not still there, and certainly not doing the whole "I feel violated" bit.
I suppose people are different.

Raging and "roaring like a bull", hurling yourself on the floor like a praying Arab, kicking and breaking furniture, smashing your forearms on railings and so on, is, IMHO
acting.
It is done for effect.
It is a parody of a stereotype of what they think people should do under those circumstances.
Just as when people feign mental illness they do all sorts of stupid things which are NEVER seen in people who are genuinely ill.

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Post by Guest on 17.11.12 8:30

PeterMac

I can't agree more.

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Post by sami on 17.11.12 9:33

[/quote] No matter how long you have done the job for, how good your training, how would a professional react if their child disappeared? Would they be able to keep their emotions in check in such circumstances?[/quote]


Healy and McCann have so far lasted five and a half years without showing one shred of true emotion in relation to Madeleine and what happened to her. I am sure, if confronted, they would claim they are different behind closed doors, or back stage as Clarrie likes to call it. Not true, imo. If you look into their eyes (to borrow a phrase) from the very first public statement, there is no emotion in the eyes of either parent. That has not changed over the years.

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Post by Guest on 17.11.12 9:50

PeterMac, I assumed that the police officer's partner was female so it took a moment or two for the penny to drop - I was thinking, what's homophobia got to do with it? It is a bit early in the day for me!

I often think that when Kate waxes lyrical about the joys of motherhood and family life, she's been reading too many Mills and Boon novels or Hello magazines. She describes a saccharine-laden image which just doesn't match up to reality. Mind you, I dread to think what sort of literature she reads if she thinks that the infamous page 129 remark and the one about "loving and pleasing her, enjoying her delight" are normal things for a mother to say!

So yes I agree that the throwing themselves to the floor etc was just an act.

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Post by Bob Southgate on 20.11.12 12:20

@PeterMac wrote:
@Bob Southgate wrote:
No matter how long you have done the job for, how good your training, how would a professional react if their child disappeared? Would they be able to keep their emotions in check in such circumstances?
I think that depends on the person.
A close friend and colleague was in the control room when a Southern force rang to ask us to check out a registration number of a car they had found by the cliffs, and a body at the base. They gave him the number.
It was that of his long term partner. He confirmed all the details, including that of his relationship, and then simply asked the Inspector if he might be excused for a short time.
His name is David Cranmer and his story was written up in the Sunday Times Magazine many years ago.
He was allowed compassionate leave and the shift turned up in uniform for the funeral.
This was in the 80s, so people who say the Service is homophobic are simply wrong.

Yes Peter, it would depend on the person. I'm sure you served with officers who would be able to carry on regardless and do what they are supposed to do while others would just crumble (usually the ones who go for accelerated promotion to escape the realities of policing as fast as possible).

@PeterMac wrote:On a personal note, when I was burgled I went into icy professional mode, not touching anything, not entering rooms except to ensure the perp. was not still there, and certainly not doing the whole "I feel violated" bit.
I suppose people are different.

Same for me when I was burgled in my old flat 9 years ago. I phoned up to report the burglary and then left everything as I found it until the local police turned up, followed by the SOCO. The SOCO found some prints and the burglar was nicked the next day whilst signing on as part of existing bail conditions. When they searched him they found a ring and watch which he had stolen from me!



@PeterMac wrote:Raging and "roaring like a bull", hurling yourself on the floor like a praying Arab, kicking and breaking furniture, smashing your forearms on railings and so on, is, IMHO
acting.
It is done for effect.
It is a parody of a stereotype of what they think people should do under those circumstances.
Just as when people feign mental illness they do all sorts of stupid things which are NEVER seen in people who are genuinely ill.

It is certainly over the top to react in such a way, but then some out there do have that theatrical temprement.

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Post by tigger on 20.11.12 13:04

I had a very close shave once when an irate 'friend' tried to force me off the road in Russell Square. I had to mount the pavement, narrowly avoiding a pedestrian. The 'friend' had pulled open the driver's door and was about to attack me.
I was ice cold, super efficient - apologised to the pedestrian, told him police was not needed, told the friend to b.... off or I would get the police, got off the pavement, went home.
About 4 p.m. the following day I was a blancmange, shakes, dizzy, you name it.


PeterMac: isn't it the case that out of every 100 people in an emergency situation:
25% will know exactly what needs to be done there and then and they take immediate action
50% are waiting to be told what to do and will do so when told
25% are either incapable of movement, will be frozen to the spot and/or go into all out panic mode, getting in the way of rescue.

The McCanns don't fit into any of the above categories.

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Post by Ayniia on 07.05.13 0:02

"JH: And what sort of activities does Madeleine like doing?

Does she get in and muck around with all the other children,that sort of thing?

KM: She likes running, she played tennis, as well, didn't she?"

I can't figure what's worse, not having a straight and more complete answer to the question or the "she played tennis didn't she?"At least I made my mind about the tennis picture

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Post by Newintown on 07.05.13 11:40

@Ayniia wrote:"JH: And what sort of activities does Madeleine like doing?

Does she get in and muck around with all the other children,that sort of thing?

KM: She likes running, she played tennis, as well, didn't she?"

I can't figure what's worse, not having a straight and more complete answer to the question or the "she played tennis didn't she?"At least I made my mind about the tennis picture

You forgot to underline the "didn't she". (bold and underlining done by me)

Why was the "didn't she" added at the end of the sentence by KM, it was not needed, only perhaps to emphasise the fact that she was photographed holding tennis balls on a dodgy photo.

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Post by Guest on 07.05.13 11:44

That makes it sound as if Madeleine was someone else's child and Kate needed confirmation that she played tennis, rather than definitely knowing that she did.

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