Super Injunctions, gagging orders & draconian court orders, Cecil Parkinson et al

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Post  bristow on Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:43 am

Is it only the very wealthy and elite that can impose such orders? Does it take money to be able to do what Cecil Parkinson did? It really does seem unreal that such a court order is legal? Wonder if it would be allowed to happen in 2012?

If the average Joe Bloggs wanted to cover up the fact he had fathered a child with his mistress would he get legal aid, if he was in a position to claim it to do the same as Parkinson?

The the Cecil Parkinson 'scandal' in the 80s that apparently nearly brought down the Tory government?
He fathered an illegitimate daughter, Flora, with his secretary and mistress Sara Keays and managed to get a court order to wipe out any mention of her existance The Telegraph at the time of her 18th Birthday said -

"Excised from school photographs, barred from class theatrical
productions and left off the list of scholastic achievements displayed
on her college noticeboard, Flora Keays has been forced, by law, to
remain invisible. Until now."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1380529/The-only-promise-Cecil-Parkinson-ever-kept-never-to-see-his-daughter.html

Dreadful, horrible, heartless man.

Who else is there who has taken out super injunctions and court orders similar to the above?

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Post  chrissie on Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:12 pm

That article really is heartbreaking to read. Poor girl.

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Post  bristow on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:00 pm

@chrissie wrote:That article really is heartbreaking to read. Poor girl.

Yes, and mainly because of a gagging order called "The Mary Bell" (relating to the child killer, Mary Bell's identity being protected.)
It seems Flora Keays was the only child in the UK which the order applied to.

It affected Floras life massively.

Shockingly she was raped by a member of staff at her special school and because of the order imposed by her father Lord Cecil Parkinson justice for the rape is complicated.

"At that point, I contacted the police, but to be honest they have been
hopeless from the outset at conducting an investigation - I believe
because of the injunction that was in place concerning Flora's life. It
was never designed to protect her: it was designed to protect her
father."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1085916/The-brutal-sex-attack-nearly-destroyed-Cecil-Parkinsons-child.html#ixzz2BRkxQ52v



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Post  bristow on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:08 pm

Lord Cecil Parkinsons friend and colleague at the time, Lord Alistair McAlpine wrote about the Parkinson affair in his memoirs.

"In his memoirs, Lord McAlpine, the former Tory party treasurer, recalls
how, at the conference, he witnessed "the most extraordinary human
drama" as Parkinson and his wife discussed the matter on the eve of his
resignation."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1380529/The-only-promise-Cecil-Parkinson-ever-kept-never-to-see-his-daughter.html

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Post  chrissie on Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:22 pm

Yes, I was doing a bit of research after reading your opening post. She and her mother have been through a terrible time. It was all done to protect his reputation. Makes my blood boil to be honest.

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Post  Bob Southgate on Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:14 pm

There is only one way to describe Parkinson - he is an odious scumbag. And what the the hell were courts doing in preventing any mention of Flora and her mother by granting such a draconian injunction??

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:21 pm

I remember watching a programme made when Flora turned 18 which is when the draconian injunction expired. She was doing well then and it is sad to hear of all the health problems she's had since.

It shows what people in power will do to protect their interests though I feel that, compared with the things that are being brought into the open now, Cecil Parkinson is by comparison a nice guy!

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Post  aiyoyo on Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:27 pm

This unprecedented super duper injunction, the first and only one of its kind in the land, lasted 18 long years just to satisfy one selfish bastard of a man.

And I thought we are no longer living in dark ages - how wrong I was.

Where have all those years of evolution and civilisation gone?

The Judge who granted that needs his head examined for how could he do that to a child?
Did he not realise a child's life and well being is at centre of this ban when he made that stupid decision?

Is Lordship conferred or inherently inherited by birth?
I cant believe here is another person with an honorary pre-fix before his name who proves to be another idiot not worthy of the title.

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Post  PeterMac on Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:43 pm

It was a cue for a good joke though.
"What is the similarity between Cecil Parkinson and flat pack furniture?
One screw out of place and the whole cabinet falls apart."

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Post  PeterMac on Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:32 pm

Of course, in the age of equality between the sexes, it might even be "politically correct' to point out that the woman involved -

Chose to have the affair
Chose to continue it for some time
Chose a married man
Chose not to take appropriate precautions
Chose not to have an early termination
Chose to bring up the child by herself

Parkinson may well have behaved badly throughout, but it is not entirely one-sided.

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Post  Woofer on Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:41 pm

@PeterMac wrote:Of course, in the age of equality between the sexes, it might even be "politically correct' to point out that the woman involved -

Chose to have the affair
Chose to continue it for some time
Chose a married man
Chose not to take appropriate precautions
Chose not to have an early termination
Chose to bring up the child by herself

Parkinson may well have behaved badly throughout, but it is not entirely one-sided.

Agree with that, but I think it`s the audacity of placing a gagging order that incenses people.

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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:42 pm

Yes, as a woman, I don't have a problem with those points being raised.

It is Flora for whom I feel the most sympathy.

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Post  chrissie on Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:44 pm

Same here Jean, it is the effect it has had on her life which is so very sad.

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Post  PeterMac on Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:14 pm

Agreed, absolutely.
"Injunctions are the last resort of the scoundrel" (with acknowledgements to Johnson and Shaw)

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Post  Bob Southgate on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:44 pm

@PeterMac wrote:Of course, in the age of equality between the sexes, it might even be "politically correct' to point out that the woman involved -

Chose to have the affair
Chose to continue it for some time
Chose a married man
Chose not to take appropriate precautions
Chose not to have an early termination
Chose to bring up the child by herself

Parkinson may well have behaved badly throughout, but it is not entirely one-sided.



Indeed, both Sara Keays and Parkinson were willing participants in this, but it is the draconian injunction that Parkinson obtained is the issue here. An order that meant that Flora's schools had to go to great lengths to ensure she wasn't named or that her mother could not mention her in public is not the sort of order you expect to be made in a country where freedom of speech is supposed to exist.

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Post  Miraflores on Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:28 pm

And indeed seems to be sheer nastiness on his part because she is his daughter, when all is said and done.


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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:02 pm

@PeterMac wrote:Agreed, absolutely.
"Injunctions are the last resort of the scoundrel" (with acknowledgements to Johnson and Shaw)


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Post  Guest on Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:46 pm

I could understand if he'd taken out an injunction to stop Sara selling a kiss-and-tell story about their relationship but I can't think of any non-spiteful reason why Flora was treated as if she didn't exist.

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Post  Nina on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:10 am

Jean wrote:I could understand if he'd taken out an injunction to stop Sara selling a kiss-and-tell story about their relationship but I can't think of any non-spiteful reason why Flora was treated as if she didn't exist.

Did he support her financially or did he avoid that as well?

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Post  Bob Southgate on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:15 am

@Nina wrote:Did he support her financially or did he avoid that as well?



It seems the injunction obtained by Parkinson in 1993 was as a result of a dispute over maintenance, according to Wikipedia.

According to this article in the Guardian from 2002 Parkinson did support her.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/jan/14/politics.conservatives

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Post  Nina on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:42 am

@Bob Southgate wrote:
@Nina wrote:Did he support her financially or did he avoid that as well?



It seems the injunction obtained by Parkinson in 1993 was as a result of a dispute over maintenance, according to Wikipedia.

According to this article in the Guardian from 2002 Parkinson did support her.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/jan/14/politics.conservatives

So money but never a birthday card, or a hug.

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Post  Bob Southgate on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:44 am

@Nina wrote:So money but never a birthday card, or a hug.



Looks that way Nina, no emotional support whatsoever and an act which had dire emotional consequences for Flora, obtaining an injunction which practically made her invisible.

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Post  aiyoyo on Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:57 am

Parkinson who didn't want public attention focused on him then least expects his *clever idea* to back fire big time!

He's getting tons of attention now all for the wrong reasons. IMO he came off worst now that people learned he ordered a draconian injunction that lasted 18 hellish year against his own flesh and blood.

The judge who granted the injunction should be named and shamed. No excuse for the Judge, who of all people, should know better than to deprive a child from birth of her human rights. The adults shocking behavior and actions should have nothing to do with her, she didn't ask to be born and should not have to bear the full brunt of the law (injunction) just because she was an unwanted child by her dad. The Court should know better.

Again, it proves Power is everything, and Power can influence Court's decision.
I don't believe such an injunction would have been given to anyone, at least not to a no body, if it wasn't for Parkinson's influence, clout, and connection to the Power-of-the-Day at that time.

Powers corrupt in every quarter.

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