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Post by aquila on 31.03.14 14:40

@Woofer wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I often wonder why those who believe this is a whitewash don't cite the involvement of Jim Gamble.

Jim Gamble was the Head of Operation Ore in 1999, a unit that was set up in 1999 to investigate online child pornography.  Operation Ore was hugely controversial as it later transpired many of the credit card numbers traced, had been used fraudulently, and the accused men were completely innocent.  Over 30 men committed suicide.  However, during the time Operation Ore was ongoing, I would imagine a number of names turned up that were better kept hidden.  Just a thought.

In 2009, Jim Gamble, as Head of CEOP helped the McCanns with one of their campaigns, even doing the voiceover for the accompanying video and appearing with them on breakfast TV.  Kate and Gerry were former arguidos and their campaign was fundraising, no more, no less, so why was Jim Gamble, Chief Enforcement Officer of CEOP (a paid government spokesman) promoting the McCanns and their Fund?
Woofer, no offence here but I think you've entered the twilight zone.

ETA You even think GM might have info on Diana's death.


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Post by Woofer on 31.03.14 21:53

@aquila wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I often wonder why those who believe this is a whitewash don't cite the involvement of Jim Gamble.

Jim Gamble was the Head of Operation Ore in 1999, a unit that was set up in 1999 to investigate online child pornography.  Operation Ore was hugely controversial as it later transpired many of the credit card numbers traced, had been used fraudulently, and the accused men were completely innocent.  Over 30 men committed suicide.  However, during the time Operation Ore was ongoing, I would imagine a number of names turned up that were better kept hidden.  Just a thought.

In 2009, Jim Gamble, as Head of CEOP helped the McCanns with one of their campaigns, even doing the voiceover for the accompanying video and appearing with them on breakfast TV.  Kate and Gerry were former arguidos and their campaign was fundraising, no more, no less, so why was Jim Gamble, Chief Enforcement Officer of CEOP (a paid government spokesman) promoting the McCanns and their Fund?
Woofer, no offence here but I think you've entered the twilight zone.

ETA You even think GM might have info on Diana's death.


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Sorry if I forgot to say `in my opinion` mods. 

Aquila - no need to mock my opinions - unless you actually know what happened.

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Post by j.rob on 31.03.14 22:43

@Woofer wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I often wonder why those who believe this is a whitewash don't cite the involvement of Jim Gamble.

Jim Gamble was the Head of Operation Ore in 1999, a unit that was set up in 1999 to investigate online child pornography.  Operation Ore was hugely controversial as it later transpired many of the credit card numbers traced, had been used fraudulently, and the accused men were completely innocent.  Over 30 men committed suicide.  However, during the time Operation Ore was ongoing, I would imagine a number of names turned up that were better kept hidden.  Just a thought.

In 2009, Jim Gamble, as Head of CEOP helped the McCanns with one of their campaigns, even doing the voiceover for the accompanying video and appearing with them on breakfast TV.  Kate and Gerry were former arguidos and their campaign was fundraising, no more, no less, so why was Jim Gamble, Chief Enforcement Officer of CEOP (a paid government spokesman) promoting the McCanns and their Fund?

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Interesting - I am sure the whole thing was deeply flawed, but I am really not sure why a totally innocent person would commit suicide - that doesn't really make sense. One would presume they would fight for their name, maybe eventually slump into depression. But if they were really innocent - and they loved their children, why would they commit suicide?

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Post by Cristobell on 31.03.14 23:05

@j.rob wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I often wonder why those who believe this is a whitewash don't cite the involvement of Jim Gamble.

Jim Gamble was the Head of Operation Ore in 1999, a unit that was set up in 1999 to investigate online child pornography.  Operation Ore was hugely controversial as it later transpired many of the credit card numbers traced, had been used fraudulently, and the accused men were completely innocent.  Over 30 men committed suicide.  However, during the time Operation Ore was ongoing, I would imagine a number of names turned up that were better kept hidden.  Just a thought.

In 2009, Jim Gamble, as Head of CEOP helped the McCanns with one of their campaigns, even doing the voiceover for the accompanying video and appearing with them on breakfast TV.  Kate and Gerry were former arguidos and their campaign was fundraising, no more, no less, so why was Jim Gamble, Chief Enforcement Officer of CEOP (a paid government spokesman) promoting the McCanns and their Fund?

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Interesting - I am sure the whole thing was deeply flawed, but I am really not sure why a totally innocent person would commit suicide - that doesn't really make sense. One would presume they would fight for their name, maybe eventually slump into depression. But if they were really innocent - and they loved their children, why would they commit suicide?
I fully understand why they took their lives JRob.  Paedophilia is probably the worst thing a person could be accused of, and even if cleared, mud always sticks.  I imagine their lives were destroyed.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.03.14 23:09

@Cristobell wrote:I often wonder why those who believe this is a whitewash don't cite the involvement of Jim Gamble. Jim Gamble was the Head of Operation Ore in 1999, a unit that was set up in 1999 to investigate online child pornography...In 2009, Jim Gamble, as Head of CEOP helped the McCanns with one of their campaigns...
Of course, Jim Gamble was quick off the mark after Madeleine went missing - he demanded on behalf of CEOP that people send to CEOP all their holiday pics from Praia da Luz.

Fascinating!  

Couldn't that be construed as, er, interference with the Portuguese investigation?

Did he do this with the full knowledge and consent of Dr Goncalo Amaral and his team? 

What exactly did he hope to achieve by viewing all these photos?

Subsequently, he and CEOP appeared to have an extremely close nexus with the McCanns and their Team. They were forever appearing together on this TV show and that, this conference on paedophilia and that. Gerry and Jim. Jim and Gerry.

It is all very curious.

I think Jim Gamble is also on the Committee of that strange organisation, Missing People - yet another very close connection with the McCanns.

It is strange how certain people get connected to the McCanns.

David Payne, for example.

Ray Wyre, for another - the self-appointed expert on sex offenders - who now turns up on the Elm House guest list. Wyre penned a long article in the Daily Telegraph days after Madeleine disappeared, basically saying - with no evidence whatsoever - that Madeleine had been snatched by a paedophile.  

Max Clifford, offering to help Robert Murat - where is Clifford now, exactly?

I was walking along the Embankment in London one day in 2008 and some police horses came trotting along. On the backs of the police horse riders' jackets was the large slogan:

'CEOP - LOOK for Madeleine'.

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Post by stumo on 31.03.14 23:32

j.rob, unless you have suffered with depression you have no idea how it pulls you down, down to a point to where you can only think of ending everything. yes you still love your loved ones but no-one can help you.

The problem i can see is unless you can prove that your credit card details have been used fraudulently you don't have a leg to stand on, you've probibly been named in the local newspaper, you are now a paedophile in may peoples eyes, including some of your family, (no smoke without fire etc .

Where do you go from here?

an example, very close to home....


A female friend who worked at a naughty boys school was accused by a 26Yo man, who was at the school many years ago, of forcing herself on him. The man had a criminal record as long as your arm, had been in and out of prison. He was a nasty piece of work,  what you might term a scumbag.
She was immediately suspended whilst the investigation ran. 
To cut a very long story which went on for over 2 years during which time  her name had been in the local papers on several occasions, friends, collegues etc had sent her to Coventry.  She was eventually exonerated of any charges and he got £38,000 from a government fund and was never named.
If it hadn't been for her family, close friends and some of the police involved i think there might have been a different outcome.

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Post by Cristobell on 31.03.14 23:45

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:I often wonder why those who believe this is a whitewash don't cite the involvement of Jim Gamble. Jim Gamble was the Head of Operation Ore in 1999, a unit that was set up in 1999 to investigate online child pornography...In 2009, Jim Gamble, as Head of CEOP helped the McCanns with one of their campaigns...
Of course, Jim Gamble was quick off the mark after Madeleine went missing - he demanded on behalf of CEOP that people send to CEOP all their holiday pics from Praia da Luz.

Fascinating!  

Couldn't that be construed as, er, interference with the Portuguese investigation?

Did he do this with the full knowledge and consent of Dr Goncalo Amaral and his team? 

What exactly did he hope to achieve by viewing all these photos?

Subsequently, he and CEOP appeared to have an extremely close nexus with the McCanns and their Team. They were forever appearing together on this TV show and that, this conference on paedophilia and that. Gerry and Jim. Jim and Gerry.

It is all very curious.

I think Jim Gamble is also on the Committee of that strange organisation, Missing People - yet another very close connection with the McCanns.

It is strange how certain people get connected to the McCanns.

David Payne, for example.

Ray Wyre, for another - the self-appointed expert on sex offenders - who now turns up on the Elm House guest list. Wyre penned a long article in the Daily Telegraph days after Madeleine disappeared, basically saying - with no evidence whatsoever - that Madeleine had been snatched by a paedophile.  

Max Clifford, offering to help Robert Murat - where is Clifford now, exactly?

I was walking along the Embankment in London one day in 2008 and some police horses came trotting along. On the backs of the police horse riders' jackets was the large slogan:

'CEOP - LOOK for Madeleine'.
It was all very strange wasn't it Tony, and of course Gerry had those 'insider' books by his bedside when the PJ searched their rented villa
As you say, why was JG sitting alongside Kate and Gerry McCann calling for evidence and photographs and evidence to be sent to CEOP? I am flawed by your vision of police horse riders wearing jackets emblazoned with CEOP and Madeleine, I wonder if there was also a link to the OFM and the paypal button?

Do you know what JG's official status is now Tony?  Wiki, still says he is Head of CEOP, but then goes on to say that he resigned in October 2010.

Ray Wyre was another sinister character.  I am astounded that people like him are able to work their way up the ladder in their chosen field of sexual deviancy, without anyone asking any probing questions.   I believe one of his methods to cure serial offenders was to saturate their brains with non stop pornography - for which he no doubt had an unlimited budget.   

These are strange times indeed, it would appear we already have several links to Government and indeed pointers towards a whitewash if any of these links still hold positions of power.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.04.14 0:00

@Cristobell wrote:
Ray Wyre was another sinister character.  I am astounded that people like him are able to work their way up the ladder in their chosen field of sexual deviancy, without anyone asking any probing questions.   I believe one of his methods to cure serial offenders was to saturate their brains with non stop pornography - for which he no doubt had an unlimited budget.   
It was even worse than that, but I will spare this forum the details.

However, I will repeat here one section of my long article on Ray Wyre - about his long-time lead volunteer, whose pseudonym was 'Sally Smith'.

Chilling indeed:

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Sally Smith - and Snuff Films

Let us now examine the extraordinary and close association that a woman known as ‘Sally Smith’ (who has never been identified so far as I am aware) had with Ray Wyre and his Gracewell Clinic. An article in the Birmingham-based Sunday Mercury tells the story, and I reproduce the full article below:

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I've fallen in love with 200 killers’

Sunday Mercury - by Caroline Wheeler, 24 August 2003

A middle-aged psychology student is dedicating her life to helping notorious child killers, sex offenders and murderers - by falling in LOVE with them.

Sally Smith regularly writes to 200 dangerous criminals and counts paedophile killer Sidney Cooke and Robert ‘The Cannibal’ Maudsley among her close friends.

In the past the spinster, who claims to have been sexually abused as a child, has corresponded with Moors Murderers Ian Brady and Myra Hindley.

More recently she wrote to Ian Huntley, who is charged with killing Soham schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman.

Yet Sally, 56, sees nothing wrong in the bizarre relationships. She claims instead that they could help the rehabilitation of the monsters behind bars.

“I love the men because of - not in spite of - what they have done,” said Sally, adding that it started when she fell in love with her own abuser.

“I was sexually abused by a serious sex offender as a child over a number of years,” she explained. “He was in a position of authority and I was assaulted within what I would call a loving environment.

“When he dumped me several years later, I thought if I couldn’t love him, I would love men like him. I began to write to some of Britain’s most violent sex offenders.”

Sally, who is studying for an MA in criminal psychology, claims that she wants to help rehabilitate the men by offering them her close friendship. She first began work in the field of sex offenders in the 1980s when she volunteered at Ray Wyre’s controversial Gracewell Institute, in Moseley, Birmingham.

When the clinic closed in 1993 she branched out on her own and set up the Michael and Ray Snowy Trust in Stourbridge, West Midlands, to continue her controversial psychological techniques.

“My work begins with the question of not what I can do for these men, but what they need,” she said. “I offer them emotional and financial support while they are in prison and I am developing links with other organisations who can help them once they are released.

“I send cards and letters and make prison visits. I also send them money for things like phone cards and trainers”.

Sally, who is hoping to get her semi-autobiographical book ‘Forwards With Hope And Love’ published, says that her desire to help the men is motivated by love. “Everybody needs love,” she explained. “If these offenders are given back some self-respect and self-esteem it is my hope that they might begin to change. By using these techniques we could all eventually enjoy a safer society.”

Sally claims that her methods have already had a positive impact on several high-profile criminals, including serial killer Robert Maudsley. The 50 year-old murderer, currently in HMP Wakefield, once ate part of a victim’s brain with a spoon.

“Robert Maudsley has been improving since I began writing to him,” she said. “And Sidney Cooke and I have been friends for years - I’ve been to prison to visit him. I’m not as interested in women but I have also written to Rose West and the late Myra Hindley. She once sent me a Christmas card and a letter, in which she said she wanted to get to know me better.

“I’ve also written to Rose West and sent her a small cheque for Christmas. She cashed it but she has never written back.”

Leading sex crimes expert Ray Wyre confirmed that Sally had been a volunteer at the Gracewell Institute - but said that he had serious doubts about her methods. “Our approaches are very different,” he added. “I know where her heart is but in the end we just had to agree to disagree on her methods. I think that some of the work she does is extremely dangerous and could leave her open to attack.”

Anyone who wants to contact Sally about her work should write to PO Box 1782, Stourbridge, DY8 1WZ., sending an SAE so that a newsletter can be sent out free of charge. Sally’s name has been changed at her request.

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Some of the names of the criminals ‘Sally Smith’ was associating with are well-known. Sidney Cooke was surely one of the most evil of all, leading a gang rape of a 10-year-old boy at a flat in Hackney, which killed him, and then dumping his body in a wood near Ongar, Essex.

It’s clear that ‘Sally Smith’ is a lonely attention-seeker who cannot find anything else to fill her life apart from corresponding and ‘falling in love with’ some of the most evil men in society. It was clearly a most unhealthy obsession. The crucial point in the article is that she began her infatuation with these evil criminals whilst working alongside Ray Wyre in his Gracewell Clinic. Indeed, as the article says, she remained closely alongside him until its closure. Wyre’s attempt to distance himself from ‘Sally Smith’ is unconvincing. Wyre clearly knew about and tolerated ‘Sally Smith’s correspondence with these killers. Did he also approve of and encourage her in this work?  Why, for several years, did Wyre have as his associate and close colleague a woman who was obsessed with writing to murderers?

One more point: once again we see the media hagiography of Wyre; here the Sunday Mercury refers to him as a ‘leading sex crimes expert’.

Finally, we might note Wyre’s claims of having ‘viewed snuff films first-hand in America’. When challenged about this, however, he denied having seen a real snuff movie, claiming instead that what he had seen was ‘merely a sophisticated simulation’.

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Post by tasprin on 08.04.14 15:56

Not sure where to post this:

Daily Mail
8 April 2014

Police arrest three men on suspicion of murder in connection with the disappearance of a 15-year-old believed to have uncovered a 'paedophile gang' 26 years ago

Lee Boxell vanished from Sutton High Street in September 1988
Detectives fear the teenager may have been killed after discovering a paedophile ring

Three men arrested on suspicion of murder and perverting the course of justice
Two of the men aged 78 and 52 are also being questioned under suspicion of indecency with children

Officers also questioning 42-year-old woman in connection with the case
New hope for missing teenager's family

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599665/Police-arrest-3-men-suspicion-murder-Lee-Boxell-case.html#ixzz2yJ5SgoGX
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Post by mouse on 08.04.14 20:27

Wonder if anyone else saw a report on the increase in numbers of police officers found to have downloaded indecent images (I believe children). Saw the report on Guido's sight - it was on a link on his 'Seen ElseWhere' bit. However, as it is such a busy newsday with all the Miller biz going down - I think it has been shunted to a different page or something and I can't find it. Anyway the gist of it was that the numbers increasing were very worrying, but the most horrifying thing to come out of this report was that they don't seem to have been charged with anything, nor put on the sex offenders register. They do appear to have, in many cases, have just resigned or retired.....!!!!!
Disgusting - and they want us to trust the police???? When they let people, or should I say known criminals, leave their organisation with a clean blemish free track record. I believe again, if memory serves me right that this covered 6 years. Makes you wonder again about certain coppers who left....one in particular comes to mind, and the true reason for them leaving? Actually, didn't the MC's hire some retired ones?


The police's reputation is forever, in my opinion, slipping lower and lower....Just wish I could find the article, but I do believe that the weekly/monthly police questions committee (don't know what it is call) might be one to watch. In the article I believe it said that questions had already been raised by certain committee members at the number, and the lack of punishment.

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Post by Cristobell on 08.04.14 20:44

@mouse wrote:Wonder if anyone else saw a report on the increase in numbers of police officers found to have downloaded indecent images (I believe children). Saw the report on Guido's sight - it was on a link on his 'Seen ElseWhere' bit. However, as it is such a busy newsday with all the Miller biz going down - I think it has been shunted to a different page or something and I can't find it. Anyway the gist of it was that the numbers increasing were very worrying, but the most horrifying thing to come out of this report was that they don't seem to have been charged with anything, nor put on the sex offenders register. They do appear to have, in many cases, have just resigned or retired.....!!!!!
Disgusting - and they want us to trust the police???? When they let people, or should I say known criminals, leave their organisation with a clean blemish free track record. I believe again, if memory serves me right that this covered 6 years. Makes you wonder again about certain coppers who left....one in particular comes to mind, and the true reason for them leaving? Actually, didn't the MC's hire some retired ones?


The police's reputation is forever, in my opinion, slipping lower and lower....Just wish I could find the article, but I do believe that the weekly/monthly police questions committee (don't know what it is call) might be one to watch. In the article I believe it said that questions had already been raised by certain committee members at the number, and the lack of punishment.
Your post brought to mind the two police officers from the Soham investigation, they were discovered as part of Operation Ore in 2002.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1407259/Two-Soham-police-officers-in-court-over-child-pornography.html

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Post by PeterMac on 08.04.14 21:54

But MW-T and Gamble get away with it by claiming it is for "research purposes".
Gamble probably has some sort of authorisation, but MW-T I suspect does not.

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Post by petunia on 08.04.14 22:17

@PeterMac wrote:But MW-T and Gamble get away with it by claiming it is for "research purposes".
Gamble probably has some sort of authorisation, but MW-T I suspect does not.
Pete Townsend also said it was for "research purposes" when he was found out.

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Post by Guest on 08.04.14 22:25

@ PeterMac
You remind me again to a FOI request re MW-T, to which I haven't seen a reply since September 9, last year:

With reference to the sheer quantity of information that was placed
on HOLMES 2 following Operation Ore, I understand that it was
necessary to give several uniformed police officers temporary
status
as Temporary Detective Constables in order to assist with
enquires to be actioned, including within Surrey Police.

1. Could you please confirm whether Mr Mark Williams-Thomas was one
of those uniformed officers.

2. Could you please inform me whether Mr Mark Williams-Thomas has
ever sat/passed the National Investigators Exam (NIE); completed an
Initial Crime Investigators Development Programme (ICIDP); PIP
Level 2 Portfolio; or otherwise be entitled to be referred to as
having attained the rank of Detective Constable without use of the
word 'Temporary' or 'Acting'. ('T.D.C. or A.D.C.')

3. Could you please confirm whether all those interviews, actioned
by HOLMES 2, if carried out by Mr Mark Williams-Thomas, were
formally and specifically requested by his supervising officer.

4. Was there any discrepancy between the formally requested number
of interviews assigned to Mr Williams-Thomas and the number of
interviews actually carried out by Mr Williams-Thomas? If so, could
you please inform me how many of the interviewees had already been
interviewed
by other police officers.

5. If the answer to 4. is affirmative, could you please inform me
whether you had reason to carry out any preliminary or informal
disciplinary investigations with regard to additional interviews
conducted with alleged sexual offenders by Mr Williams-Thomas.

6. Would Mr Williams-Thomas have been eligible for promotion within
the Detective squad, Temporary, Acting or otherwise, had he not
chosen to resign?

7. Following Mr Williams-Thomas' arrest at Gatwick Airport Hotel
(not airport, so within your 'area') for alleged blackmail - a
matter I am aware has since been satisfactorily discharged by the
magistrates with NO stain on his character, could you please
confirm whether a separate investigation was carried out at the
same time by officers from the Surrey Police Force internal
investigation department, concerning other matters NOT connected
with the alleged Blackmail?

8. Can you please confirm whether any papers, notes, records,
photographs, digital electronic communications or equipment, which
identified names or action plans from HOLMES 2, were removed from
Mr Williams-Thomas' home or person for inspection during such
additional investigation.

9. Could you please tell me whether the outcome of such
investigation resulted in any report to The Child Exploitation and
Online Protection Centre (CEOP)?

10. Could you please tell me whether any subsequent internal report
was prepared by CEOP?

11. If the answer to 10. is affirmative, could I please have a copy
of such report?

12. Could you please give me copies of any advice subsequently
issued by CEOPS to the Portuguese Police in respect of Mr
Williams-Thomas' presence in Portugal on behalf of any British
television company.

13. Could you please give me copies of any such advice issued by
CEOPS to any British Police Force in respect of official press
conferences open to accredited British reporters.

14. Could you please tell me whether you have been required to
furnish any information concerning Mr Williams-Thomas activities
whilst a serving Police Officer within your force to the
investigating officers concerned with the charges laid against Mr
Max Clifford under Operation Yewtree.

14. Could you please advise me of the contents of any communication
you have had with the Portuguese authorities specifically
referencing Mr Williams-Thomas between July 1st 2013 and August
20th 2013.

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Post by worriedmum on 11.04.14 22:14

Despicable..

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Post by plebgate on 12.04.14 9:34

It is absolutely despicable.

I don't think anyone can begin to imagine the absolute terror the children must have felt seeing such a massive fat barstud approaching them and doing such despicable things to them.   We cannot know how damaged many grew up to be, how many may have taken their own lives etc., but as some commentators were saying last night it was an open secret, not only amongst MPs but newspapers and "elete" society.

ABSOLUTELY DESPICABLE and someone needs to be shown to be answerable for it.

 Things have got to change before any more children are subjected to all of these vile people.

I cannot put into words how I feel when I look at the big fat ugly barstud.  Just cannot.    

Pity he hadn't had a heart attack years before.

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Post by PeterMac on 12.04.14 10:29

@plebgate wrote:It is absolutely despicable.

ABSOLUTELY DESPICABLE and someone needs to be shown to be answerable for it.
But the Leader of the Liberal party at the time was Jeremy Thorpe, who eventually stood trial for the attempt murder of his own "rent boy"

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Post by Guest on 12.04.14 10:50

I gather that there will be lots of stories coming out of closets everywhere about Jeremy Thorpe after he has died.

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Post by Snifferdog on 12.04.14 11:09

The rot goes to the top. Not just in Britain. It is a world wide web of connected self servers.
Whilst good trusting people were sleeping, the evil ones crept in - at first hidden and then, like scum, rose to the top. So much money so much boredom! They secured themselves by promoting others such as themselves. Greedy people willing to serve them and sell themselves for power and money. Due to their multiplying numbers, and the escalating need to satisfy their perverted desires - they are becoming more obvious and blatant in their deeds, so we are starting to see the psychopathic destructive selfish greedy hateful demon like creatures they actually are. Nowadays such news as this is not automatically relegated to conspiracy theories. We hear less of; "it cannot be true, as our government/pope/cardinal/royal family/president/councillor/child welfare/ police force/prime minister/childs parents/child minders/friends would never allow it.
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Post by joyce1938 on 12.04.14 11:24

Well this is just what we suspected ,how big cover ups are more than possible for what ever reason . I used to think   OH NO THAT CANT BE COVER UP ,WOULDNT GET AWAY WITH IT . NOw we have heard it all ,just lost for words ,the people that did know should hang their heads in shame  DID NOTHING.JOYCE1938

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Post by Guest on 12.04.14 11:49

So the Mail are serialising a book written by Simon Danczuk who is Labour MP for Rochdale and Matthew Baker as if the relevations are new, the cover up has been known for over thirty years What an easy way to write a book search tne net and all the information is out there.

Why didn't the Mail or any other newspaper put it on their front pages after Channel 4’s Dispatches

How MP Cyril Smith got away with child abuse

http://www.channel4.com/news/cyril-smith-child-abuse-mi5-rochdale-elm

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So, why have Greater Manchester Police closed the investigation, and why did they refuse the offer of a large scale fact-finding survey?

Is it because the evidence they would find would be extremely damaging to all major political parties? What has leaked out so far is the tip of the iceberg. Smith was offending for decades and was protected by the Establishment. Look at what we know already:

- Cyril Smith abused boys at hostels and special schools in Rochdale.

- He abused boys at Elm Guest House in London along with other MPs and Establishment figures.

- Police were aware he was a paedophile in 1965, seven years before he became an MP.

- Cases against Smith were referred to the CPS at least three times, but no action was taken.

- Senior Liberals knew all about Smith, but said nothing.

- Former Liberal leader David Steel claims he ‘never received any complaints’ about Cyril Smith

- Smith was an associate of paedophile Jimmy Savile

- Smith and ‘a former Cabinet Minister’ were ‘regularly handed boys’ by child killer Sidney Cooke

- Smith was connected to Peter Righton, who was part of a network of paedophiles that abused boys in care homes and schools across the UK.

So imagine what else would come to light if a full fact-finding investigation was carried out? This is what Greater Manchester Police and the Government are scared of. Unlike Operation Yewtree, it wouldn’t be possible to divert the investigation towards washed-up celebrities. It would inevitably lead towards children’s homes, special schools, guest houses, MPs, Lords, and powerful Establishment figures.

http://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/category/cyril-smith/

Those poor, poor children how they must have suffered at the hands of those evil, imoral and dispicable scum, It makes me so angry that they could have had happy childhoods, but no they have been scared for life, How many children could have been saved from the clutches of these vile abusers over the years if someone had stood up and pointed the finger at the abusers, those who protect the pedophile are as evil as the pedophiles themselves they are all part of the pedophile ring.

We'll wait and see if all names connected to Smith are in the book, if not why not?


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Post by PeterMac on 12.04.14 11:56

Cherry Blossom wrote:
We'll wait and see if all names connected to Smith are in the book, if not why not?
They will not be
The reason ?
C-R ?

Libel lawyers are paid good money to protect whoever pays them.
They are not concerned if they thereby protect paedophiles, perverts, mass murderers, or people who have possibly, allegedly, committed other serious offences, and thereby enable those persons to continue their activities.
Their bank balance and their professional reputation is what matters. And Professional reputation means they 'won' the case.

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