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Savile Abuse Enquiry now covers 41 hospitals (was - Child Abuse Scandal: How close to the very top levels of society does this paedophile scandal reach?)

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Bill Oddie has let the cat out of the bag

Post by PeterMac on 04.11.12 17:13

http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/10/24/5470/#comments

Veteran BBC presenter Bill Oddie yesterday backed claims disgraced Jimmy Savile’s abuse was covered up – because he was friends with Prince Charles.
The Springwatch star, who appeared on TOTP with the Goodies when Savile presented it during the 1970s, said there was a “running sick joke” at the BBC about Savile being a paedophile.
He suggested there might have been some sort of “censorship committee” preventing the truth being released because of Savile’s royal connections.
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Bill Oddie claims the BBC covered up Savile’s sex abuse
Speaking after a question and answer session with students of Cambridge University’s historic debating society – The Union Society – on Tuesday, Oddie said Savile’s reputation was “just taken for granted.”
He said: “There was just this running sick joke that Jimmy Savile pestered the young youths of both sexes.
“It was just taken for granted. It doesn’t mean anyone thought they must do something about it – and it probably wasn’t realised how serious it was – it certainly wasn’t realised to the extent of the hospital – which is horrendous.
“When this came out it was not a surprise at all. The surprise is that it did not come out a lot earlier and the puzzlement is or the question is was it covered up or did people just chose to ignore it or was there an order and if so from whom, by whom and with whom saying we are not going to allow this to get published.
“It does make you think who would you look at. Would you look at the BBC, the police, would you look at the NHS hospital people? Did they all know and didn’t say?”
Oddie revealed there was a “naive groupies scene” at the time.
He said: “This is not a mitigating circumstance obviously, but the only thing I will say is that that was a time in history in television and radio and live shows where there was a sort of naive groupies scene.
“I do not think the girls were incredibly promiscuous, certainly not the younger ones.
“There were people who hung around after gigs and tried to get to the stars – or the disk jockeys.

“You haven’t half got a booby prize if you went for Cliff Richard and ended up with Jimmy Savile.”

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Post by justme3 on 04.11.12 18:19

Steve Meesham, stay safe. Your life could be in grave danger.

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Post by ladyblackthorn on 04.11.12 19:46

I wish to echo those thoughts for Steve.

Not sure if this has been posted yet. But Steve Messham has started a twitter account. Please follow: @smessham

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Post by ladyblackthorn on 04.11.12 20:04

Steve has approx. 600 followers on twitter at the moment and this needs to grow.

Looks like he's already got the support of Tom Watson.

Please, please follow this very courageous man.

Correct spelling of his surname - Messham (double ss) @smessham


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Post by justme3 on 04.11.12 20:09

@ladyblackthorn wrote:Steve has approx. 600 followers on twitter at the moment and this needs to grow.

Looks like he's already got the support of Tom Watson.

Please, please follow this very courageous man.

Correct spelling of his surname - Messham (double ss) @smessham


Yes, Steve has spoken to Tom Watson. They can't silence them all. The more support these people get, the better the chances we have of cleaning up this cess pit of a country. Go boys, we are behind you. The world needs a few more Tom Watsons and Tony Bennetts

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Post by pennylane on 04.11.12 20:12

@justme3 wrote:
@ladyblackthorn wrote:Steve has approx. 600 followers on twitter at the moment and this needs to grow.

Looks like he's already got the support of Tom Watson.

Please, please follow this very courageous man.

Correct spelling of his surname - Messham (double ss) @smessham


Yes, Steve has spoken to Tom Watson. They can't silence them all. The more support these people get, the better the chances we have of cleaning up this cess pit of a country. Go boys, we are behind you. The world needs a few more Tom Watsons and Tony Bennetts

I absolutely agree!

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Post by Guest on 04.11.12 20:22

@pennylane wrote:
@justme3 wrote:
@ladyblackthorn wrote:Steve has approx. 600 followers on twitter at the moment and this needs to grow.

Looks like he's already got the support of Tom Watson.

Please, please follow this very courageous man.

Correct spelling of his surname - Messham (double ss) @smessham


Yes, Steve has spoken to Tom Watson. They can't silence them all. The more support these people get, the better the chances we have of cleaning up this cess pit of a country. Go boys, we are behind you. The world needs a few more Tom Watsons and Tony Bennetts

Belgium and the Netherlands were taken to the cleaners, and thoroughly cleaned up in the last couple of years, the culprits being removed from office (mostly Roman Catholic Church, unfortunately) and the victims either being compensated in cash or outed and treated with all due respect for having suffered so much in the decennia it took to admitting the public knowledge of their suffering out in the open. In both countries, this was achieved by a South African inspired Truth Committee.

Of course, Great Britain will fall over itself in a effort to follow suit.

Err?

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Post by wjk on 04.11.12 20:25

@pennylane wrote:
@justme3 wrote:
@ladyblackthorn wrote:Steve has approx. 600 followers on twitter at the moment and this needs to grow.

Looks like he's already got the support of Tom Watson.

Please, please follow this very courageous man.

Correct spelling of his surname - Messham (double ss) @smessham


Yes, Steve has spoken to Tom Watson. They can't silence them all. The more support these people get, the better the chances we have of cleaning up this cess pit of a country. Go boys, we are behind you. The world needs a few more Tom Watsons and Tony Bennetts

I absolutely agree!

Just followed Steve.

Good luck to him and Tom Watson. If anyone can get this 'out there' its Tom Watson. He did a fine job with the phone hacking scandal

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Post by Guest on 04.11.12 20:27

@PeterMac wrote:http://21stcenturywire.com/2012/10/24/5470/#comments

Veteran BBC presenter Bill Oddie yesterday backed claims disgraced Jimmy Savile’s abuse was covered up – because he was friends with Prince Charles.
The Springwatch star, who appeared on TOTP with the Goodies when Savile presented it during the 1970s, said there was a “running sick joke” at the BBC about Savile being a paedophile.
He suggested there might have been some sort of “censorship committee” preventing the truth being released because of Savile’s royal connections.
. . .
Bill Oddie claims the BBC covered up Savile’s sex abuse
Speaking after a question and answer session with students of Cambridge University’s historic debating society – The Union Society – on Tuesday, Oddie said Savile’s reputation was “just taken for granted.”
He said: “There was just this running sick joke that Jimmy Savile pestered the young youths of both sexes.
“It was just taken for granted. It doesn’t mean anyone thought they must do something about it – and it probably wasn’t realised how serious it was – it certainly wasn’t realised to the extent of the hospital – which is horrendous.
“When this came out it was not a surprise at all. The surprise is that it did not come out a lot earlier and the puzzlement is or the question is was it covered up or did people just chose to ignore it or was there an order and if so from whom, by whom and with whom saying we are not going to allow this to get published.
“It does make you think who would you look at. Would you look at the BBC, the police, would you look at the NHS hospital people? Did they all know and didn’t say?”
Oddie revealed there was a “naive groupies scene” at the time.
He said: “This is not a mitigating circumstance obviously, but the only thing I will say is that that was a time in history in television and radio and live shows where there was a sort of naive groupies scene.
“I do not think the girls were incredibly promiscuous, certainly not the younger ones.
“There were people who hung around after gigs and tried to get to the stars – or the disk jockeys.

“You haven’t half got a booby prize if you went for Cliff Richard and ended up with Jimmy Savile.”

Prince Charles?

He who was ordered to marry an 18 yr old/young virgin in order to achieve what, precisely?

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Post by Guest on 04.11.12 20:42

@PeterMac wrote:CF is also, very conveniently, dead. So can be named without incurring the wallets of lawyers.
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And his brother LF, with whom he fell out, too ,,,

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Post by PeterMac on 05.11.12 8:02

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Prince Charles?
He who was ordered to marry an 18 yr old/young virgin in order to achieve what, precisely?
The succession.
An heir and a spare.

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Post by Guest on 05.11.12 13:00

Tory child sex ring claim: Cameron orders urgent inquiry


Monday 5 November 2012 12.47 GMT



PM orders departments to report what they knew after fresh claims about 1970s north Wales care home paedophile scandal

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/nov/05/tory-child-sex-ring-claim



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The prime minister's spokesman said: "We are clear that these allegations need to be properly investigated and we need to get to the bottom of what precisely happened.

The spokesman added that the prime minister is taking a close interest in the allegations being made. It is likely that the quick internal inquiry will decide if something more formal and substantial needs to be launched, or whether such an inquiry would run across police investigations.

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Post by justme3 on 05.11.12 15:17

Jimmy Savile: Police fail to search his Scarborough flat for clues


Fears are growing that vital clues to the pervert DJ's secret life could be lost if his flat on the fashionable Esplanade in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, is not examined soon.

It is now being sold to a buyer who reportedly offered £200,000 - £25,000 over the asking price.

Neighbours say that Savile's "Friday Morning Club" of mainly police officer pals who met at his Leeds home sometimes visited Scarborough too

What hope in hell do decent people have of clearing up this filthy, stinking rotten cesspit? This is institutionalised paedophilia, and I am not holding my breath that we will get to the bottom of it. We'll have a few Garry Glitters and Freddie Starrs, who are easy picking, but as for those who are the main culprits, who are at the heart of our country, will go about their filth deeds unhindered.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-police-fail-to-search-1417655

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Post by cath2756 on 05.11.12 16:45

@justme3 wrote:Jimmy Savile: Police fail to search his Scarborough flat for clues


Fears are growing that vital clues to the pervert DJ's secret life could be lost if his flat on the fashionable Esplanade in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, is not examined soon.

It is now being sold to a buyer who reportedly offered £200,000 - £25,000 over the asking price.

Neighbours say that Savile's "Friday Morning Club" of mainly police officer pals who met at his Leeds home sometimes visited Scarborough too

What hope in hell do decent people have of clearing up this filthy, stinking rotten cesspit? This is institutionalised paedophilia, and I am not holding my breath that we will get to the bottom of it. We'll have a few Garry Glitters and Freddie Starrs, who are easy picking, but as for those who are the main culprits, who are at the heart of our country, will go about their filth deeds unhindered.

Makes you wonder who would offer £25,000 over the asking price with the current property market!! Maybe someone who expected there to be incriminating evidence in the flat? After buying a flat around 1998 I found a postcard from Henry St Clair, complete with a picture of him on the front wearing the cloak with the Knighs Templar cross. When people die they leave behind a legacy, whether that be good or bad.

I still think that we are going to be fed the obvious names while CS, DL, MP, CF, and McAlpine will be let off Scot free (the term Scot free says it all, i.e. The Scottish Rite)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-police-fail-to-search-1417655

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Post by justme3 on 05.11.12 16:54

The Rt Hon David Cameron MP
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5 November 2012



Dear Mr Cameron,

Congratulations on ordering a review of what information government departments may hold about organised child abuse at the heart of government 30 years ago.

In acting swiftly you have sent an important message about how seriously you take this matter. You have done the right thing and I commend you for it.

And the inquiry that you have announced performs a useful function. It is certainly important that government departments trawl their archives to see what documents they hold. But my experience of uncovering massive establishment conspiracies leaves me in no doubt that what you have suggested does not go anything like far enough. Its limited scope may even slow things down, muddy waters, damage trails. What is needed is a much wider, but equally immediate, investigation.

Since sharing my concerns with you at PMQs, a number of people have come forward to say that they raised their suspicions with the police, but investigations were not carried out. One allegation involves alleged child abuse and a former cabinet minister. We both know that many untruths are told about politicians, but this allegation was specific, informed and appeared well corroborated.

Cutting through a concerted establishment cover-up requires meticulous, diligent, fearless commitment to uncover the truth, whomever it unmasks.

My advice to you as Prime Minister – and from one father to another – is that you need to order a special police investigation, outside the affected forces, with proper resources, to review all relevant police files and those of the intelligence services. If they have documents suggesting politicians in the Commons and Lords or others in positions of power were involved in child abuse then they should make them available to a new inquiry team.

The forces so far known of be affected (Met, Surrey, West and South Yorkshire, West Mercia, Dorset, Kent, Essex, North Wales, Suffolk and Sussex) need to have their archives systematically searched for intelligence from witnesses/victims making claims which were not investigated; investigations which were closed down, and so on.

If what you really want – and I believe that it is – is the truth, then you must draw the terms of reference such that the police inquiry has licence to follow any lead it finds in what will be, after all, a serious criminal investigation. There should be no historic sexual abuse of children which is off limits to this investigation. The police should be supported by a dedicated team of child protection specialists, many of whom have been raising their concerns for years. Your advisers will tell you to be wary of “opening the floodgates”. They are wrong. Their decorous caution is the friend of the paedophile. Narrowing the inquiry equals hiding the truth. That is the reality and it is not what you want.

Detailed recommendations about how to organise an investigation is in the possession of the government. The 2002 guidance on Complex Child abuse investigations: Inter agency issues (Home Office and DoH) continues to be relevant and is referenced in Working Together to Safeguard Children 2010 Investigating complex (organised or multiple) abuse (p194 6.10-1.6.13).

A dedicated police unit is essential, investigating the organised abuse of children, wherever it happened – from the seediest backstreets even to Downing Street – without fear or favour of exposing the rich and powerful, or those who covered up for them.

And if it opens a floodgate of misery, then so be it. We will all feel dirtied and sickened – as we should. Victims have an absolute right to the whole truth.

I know you want to do this and ask that you give it your urgent attention.

You have no choice.

Yours sincerely

Tom Watson MP
Member of Parliament for West Bromwich East



Go get them, Tom!

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Post by Guest on 05.11.12 17:13

Tom Watson. I am full of admiration for this man, a worthy, honest and truth seeking person to lead the country

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Post by Nina on 05.11.12 17:35

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Post by Guest on 05.11.12 17:58

Brilliant.
Just one question: How and where was this letter published?

ETA I just found the link to Watson's site. Interesting comments too ...
http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/letter-to-david-cameron-regarding-child-sex-abuse-investigation

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Post by Guest on 05.11.12 18:14

Some great coments below his letter, as there were under his previous blog '10 days that shook my world'....

Old Holborn on 11.05.12 at 5:31 pm


You’ll be lucky to live through this. Many haven’t.

#2Paul on 11.05.12 at 5:49 pm

Tom,
Great work, BUT we do not need the police investigating the police again. This never, ever works and you know it.
How about a ‘Hillsborough Independent Panel’ type enquiry? That seemed to work well.
Peace.

#3charlotte on 11.05.12 at 5:57 pm

good letter but I doubt he will do as you say… and I doubt you will even get a reply… but carry on fighting for justice.. this has been known for years and they think that by using dead celebs it will distract the public from the big guys involved.

#4sue on 11.05.12 at 5:57 pm

David Cameron appointing independent senior investigator into welsh abuse case to see if the investigation was done properly . The abused and those that still will be abused don’t want just an apology saying they are sorry they did get it wrong. We want names and arrests not just another cover up or does Cameron think this will be enough to appease people . He is going to feel under pressure from both sides and if he goes too far he knows it will be dangerous for him also

#5Clare kennedy on 11.05.12 at 5:58 pm

More power to you. You are right to assert that no stone should be left unturned during an investigation.

You are to be applauded for raising and pursuing this.

#6Julie on 11.05.12 at 6:00 pm

Great that victims of historic abuse have begun to be taken seriously.But what about those being accussed now or more recently? It seems to me that the same ‘closing of ears’ that went on back then, is going on regarding the rich and powerful now. Can we only ever investigate sexual assualt and abuse from a safe distance, after the damage has been done?

#7Rob Gray on 11.05.12 at 6:03 pm

Agree with Paul above in this one , also think we need a female in charge of this enquiry, too many men have too much to loose …
But it’s a positive step indeed

#8Lord Reith on 11.05.12 at 6:08 pm

Of course any suggestion that the BBC were at the very heart of this establishment cover-up is hogwash.

#9Peter Cox on 11.05.12 at 6:12 pm

Tom, you are a national hero for this, it will never be forgotten.

#10Ashley on 11.05.12 at 6:13 pm

Brilliant letter Tom and thank you for writing this. You are a truely wonderful and brave man,

What is needed are real investigators like Andrea Davison who cannot be influenced or corrupted. The Police are too implicated and as a body too corrupt and the victims will not trust them.

#11peter henthorn on 11.05.12 at 6:15 pm

This is very good work. Victims needs are the most important issue in this, however unpleasant that is for the establishment. Thbis is a once in a generation chance for David Cameron. He should take it.

#12Amy on 11.05.12 at 6:18 pm

Good luck Tom, you’ve got an army behind you. I really hope Cameron does what is right and not just opens, but tears the floodgates off their hinges.

#13Duncan Black on 11.05.12 at 6:20 pm

Fine and timeous letter Tom. However, I fear that Dave will not follow your wise advice. I further fear that the police investigating the police is not a good idea – poor track record. There needs to be close oversight by an independent, courageous bunch of informed people that represent you and me – the public.
This whole issue cannot, CANNOT be allowed to be swept under the carpet. It WILL not be allowed – the internet (Twitter) has become a powerful force for good in these matters, which have been kept secret for so long.
Tom – you are a hero and will be remembered for centuries to come if you are successful in steering this to completion.
Good luck Tom – there are more people behind you than you can imagine.

#14Jason on 11.05.12 at 6:25 pm

I’m impressed by the amount of people that imply they are aware of the dangers here & that even David Cameron could be in danger if he takes more steps towards a full & proper investigation. It shows that many people suspect sexual abuse throughout the higher echelons of British society, as do I. Tom, you are doing exactly the right thing & I hope your letter is met with an appropriately positive & realistic response from the Prime Minister. Good luck & godspeed.

http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/letter-to-david-cameron-regarding-child-sex-abuse-investigation

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Post by guest. on 05.11.12 20:43

Châtelaine wrote:
sally66 wrote:http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39312

E petition for a full independent enquiry
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If I were I the UK I would sign.

Admin does this need it's own thread, it needs a certain amount of signatures to happen

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