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Observations / Questions Based On Clips "The Truth Of The Lie"

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Post by Swizzlestick on 15.10.12 16:04

Thank you to those who replied to my previous question about the length of time a corpse needs to be dead for before cadaver odour is detected - I've read the various articles / links.

Just a few observations etc. based on clips on YouTube from "The Truth Of The Lie", and other clips of the McCanns in general:-

The window in the children's bedroom in apartment 5a - according to the expert brought in, it had not been forced to open it, so, could not have been opened from the outside... this would mean that the "abductor" could have only entered through the unlocked patio door, or, with a key via the front door?

If there was an abductor, he / she must have been wearing gloves, as there were no strange fingerprints found in 5a?

If the "abductor" did open the bedroom window, the only reason I could think for doing so was incase somebody, e.g parents or friends doing a check might enter the apartment whilst he / she was in the bedroom, and maybe he could escape out of it????

I think that when Mathew Oldfield was it? was doing his check, he naturally would have checked Madeleine aswell as the twins. And, maybe noticed that the window was open, especially if it was letting light into the room.

The evidence of Jane Tanner sounds a bit dodgy.... if an abductor has gone to the trouble of having to time an abduction so well that it leaves only a short space of time to do it in, would he / she then take the chance of walking openly across the street where there could be people there who could recognise the child?

Also, there is an astute observation by somebody on YouTube, pointing out that if the abductor had taken Madeleine straight from her bed, her head would have been facing towards Jane Tanner, not her feet...

I'm sure that either Gerry McCann or Jeremy Wilkins would have seen, and at least acknowledged Jane Tanner on the street where she passed them.

Just an opinion, but it seems a bit "convenient" that Jane Tanner saw the abductor, and her response at not saying straight away that she had seen the abuctor because she didn't want to upset the McCanns seems weak... surely with something as serious as a child going missing you would want to relay information like that as quickly as possible?

The Smith family recognising the stance of Gerry McCann carrying a child seems like a very true thing to me; there's something very instinctive about it.

I can't comment on the evidence given by Eddy and Keela because I can't get the right information at this point, but, I think they have certainly indicated correctly. I've read on another site relating to this that the furniture in the apartment had come from places where a death had occurred, and so, would have cadaver odour from that on them? (anybody know anything about that)?

The info also went on to say that the clothing indicated to have cadaver odour on it belonging to Kate McCann could have been from being in contacted with corpses as part of her job, and, the odour is transferable.... could it be the case that she has stored it in the wardrobe, thus accounting for odour being indicated there?

Again, I suppose if that is the case, could it have been transferred to the child's T-shirt, and maybe "Cuddle Cat"?

The behaviour of the McCanns is strange. Even if they have been instructed / coached to come across in a cold / detached manner in interviews etc. to get the point across more effectively, you'd have thought that immediately that was over, they'd return to being over-come with grief and worry.

In my opinion, and obviously I could be wrong, they may suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, based on their reactions and general manner. This is not a professional opinion, but, one offered based on over 20 years of research.

Obviously, if it was the case that they had NPD, it does not necessarily make them guilty, but I think, would make it easier for them to be deceitful.

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Post by cath2756 on 15.10.12 16:23

I dont have the link but someone posted here a video showing GM loading the boot to a car while wearing surgical gloves. I always wonder what he didn't want to contaminate or be contaminated from??

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Post by Guest on 15.10.12 16:28

@Swizzlestick wrote:Thank you to those who replied to my previous question about the length of time a corpse needs to be dead for before cadaver odour is detected - I've read the various articles / links.

Just a few observations etc. based on clips on YouTube from "The Truth Of The Lie", and other clips of the McCanns in general:-

The window in the children's bedroom in apartment 5a - according to the expert brought in, it had not been forced to open it, so, could not have been opened from the outside... this would mean that the "abductor" could have only entered through the unlocked patio door, or, with a key via the front door?

If there was an abductor, he / she must have been wearing gloves, as there were no strange fingerprints found in 5a?

If the "abductor" did open the bedroom window, the only reason I could think for doing so was incase somebody, e.g parents or friends doing a check might enter the apartment whilst he / she was in the bedroom, and maybe he could escape out of it????

Ah yes, KM's red herring

I think that when Mathew Oldfield was it? was doing his check, he naturally would have checked Madeleine aswell as the twins. And, maybe noticed that the window was open, especially if it was letting light into the room.

The evidence of Jane Tanner sounds a bit dodgy.... if an abductor has gone to the trouble of having to time an abduction so well that it leaves only a short space of time to do it in, would he / she then take the chance of walking openly across the street where there could be people there who could recognise the child?

Don't forget there was a car park right outside 5a, why not have a car waiting. Also, why go for a walkabout round PDL for 40 mins or so.

Also, there is an astute observation by somebody on YouTube, pointing out that if the abductor had taken Madeleine straight from her bed, her head would have been facing towards Jane Tanner, not her feet...


Yes, that has been mentioned here many times
I'm sure that either Gerry McCann or Jeremy Wilkins would have seen, and at least acknowledged Jane Tanner on the street where she passed them.

Would have been hard to miss her

Just an opinion, but it seems a bit "convenient" that Jane Tanner saw the abductor, and her response at not saying straight away that she had seen the abuctor because she didn't want to upset the McCanns seems weak... surely with something as serious as a child going missing you would want to relay information like that as quickly as possible?


Yep


The Smith family recognising the stance of Gerry McCann carrying a child seems like a very true thing to me; there's something very instinctive about it.

I can't comment on the evidence given by Eddy and Keela because I can't get the right information at this point, but, I think they have certainly indicated correctly. I've read on another site relating to this that the furniture in the apartment had come from places where a death had occurred, and so, would have cadaver odour from that on them? (anybody know anything about that)?


That is total rubbish. I take it you mean one of the 'pro' sites who quote an article from Sky news constantly, how sometimes dogs hinder investigations because the furniture is second hand and someone has died near or on it. The dogs are always right though. It is up to the police to find out where the furniture came from etc. The dog does the job it was trained to do, it finds cadaver scent. Nowhere is there an article that the furniture from 5a came from a place where someone had died. It is a myth. Some like spreading those. Bit like the 'coconut' in HDLG.


The info also went on to say that the clothing indicated to have cadaver odour on it belonging to Kate McCann could have been from being in contacted with corpses as part of her job, and, the odour is transferable.... could it be the case that she has stored it in the wardrobe, thus accounting for odour being indicated there?

In that case why were other things not contaminated with the scent, GM's clothes for instance. What about when they were all packed in a suitcase. Some of the things must have been touching others. Many other items would have the scent on them in that case I would think

Again, I suppose if that is the case, could it have been transferred to the child's T-shirt, and maybe "Cuddle Cat"?

The behaviour of the McCanns is strange. Even if they have been instructed / coached to come across in a cold / detached manner in interviews etc. to get the point across more effectively, you'd have thought that immediately that was over, they'd return to being over-come with grief and worry.



In my opinion, and obviously I could be wrong, they may suffering from Narcissistic Personality Disorder, based on their reactions and general manner. This is not a professional opinion, but, one offered based on over 20 years of research.

Obviously, if it was the case that they had NPD, it does not necessarily make them guilty, but I think, would make it easier for them to be deceitful.

My thoughts and answers in red above.

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Post by sami on 15.10.12 16:52

@cath2756 wrote:I dont have the link but someone posted here a video showing GM loading the boot to a car while wearing surgical gloves. I always wonder what he didn't want to contaminate or be contaminated from??

cath i do not have the video link to hand but it is the one shot by jon corner and it is taken at the villa when they were getting ready to go to hueleva.

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Post by saltnpepper on 15.10.12 17:09

The item of furniture in a missing child case where a cadaver dog indicated was in the Shannon Matthews case,where the bed that the dog alerted too had been in contact with an old lady,who passed away in the bed
The dogs were 100% right & the police discovered the bed had come from a place where second hand furniture is sold with the above info...i dont think you could say the floor tiles & wardrobe in Apt 5A could of been second hand...could you? the flower bed outside 5A?

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Post by Guest on 15.10.12 17:26

This is the actual Sky news report, that certain persons keep tweeting. I know something happened around the time this came out, I think it may have been the book ban was overturned, but not sure, and Sky came up with this article, which was actually published 2 years before. It sites the Madeleine case, Shannon Mathews and HDLG. very biased imo. Of course the dogs will smell death on an old bed someone has died on, that's exactly would they do, and very well to.

If these dogs are so bad, how come they were used so often, and to this very day..........Prout, Pilley, Tia Sharp and recently April Jones, not forgetting the big case in America missing Bianca Jones.

http://news.sky.com/story/844071/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work

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The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

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Post by Swizzlestick on 15.10.12 17:28

@cath2756 wrote:I dont have the link but someone posted here a video showing GM loading the boot to a car while wearing surgical gloves. I always wonder what he didn't want to contaminate or be contaminated from??


I haven't heard or seen anything in relation to that, but I agree, it's strange.

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Post by Guest on 15.10.12 17:31

Yes, book ban overturned by Supreme Court 18th March 2011, Sky News article 24 March 2011 - one of those coincidences

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Post by ShuBob on 15.10.12 17:39

[quote="candyfloss"]This is the actual Sky news report, that certain persons keep tweeting. I know something happened around the time this came out, I think it may have been the book ban was overturned, but not sure, and Sky came up with this article, which was actually published 2 years before. It sites the Madeleine case, Shannon Mathews and HDLG. very biased imo. Of course the dogs will smell death on an old bed someone has died on, that's exactly would they do, and very well to.

If these dogs are so bad, how come they were used so often, and to this very day..........Prout, Pilley, Tia Sharp and recently April Jones, not forgetting the big case in America missing Bianca Jones.

http://news.sky.com/story/844071/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work



The NPIA reviewed the use of the specialist sniffer dogs two years ago, but its report has only now surfaced following a request by Sky News.

And the report was twisted by the Sky journalist as we later found out when a member of the public contacted the NPIA and was told in very clear terms that the value of the dogs is undoubted. IIRC, the full report was also linked and it was unbelievable how Gerard Tubb had twisted the findings. Many people then tweeted him for answers as to why he put a spin on the report but he didn't reply

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