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6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

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Post by vaguely1 on 11.03.10 21:17

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:Yep, I am happy for that one to stand - because you had the whole of the internet to dig out information on the tragic death of this man.

Wiki is an obvious start, yet you didn't go for Wiki, you tried to infer that there was something suspicious about his girlfriend's death with your first round of comments.
What seems clear is that Speight was probably a cocaine user and supplier. A criminal.

Sorry, it may sound heartless, but I don't buy the story of the girlfriend waking up in the middle of the night and falling into a hot bath. OK, the Coroner couldn't prove otherwise, but I wonder what the girlfriend's family made of it all?


Did you read Wiki? Mr Speight as taken in by her mother after her death.

You might not buy it Tony, but I would suggest that's because you are suspicious by nature.

Autumn, seriously, ban me for my own sanity please!!

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Post by vaguely1 on 11.03.10 21:18

In April 2008, the coroner recorded a verdict of death by misadventure in relation to Collins. The cause of death was "cocaine toxicity and immersion in hot water", according to the consultant pathologist. The inquest found that she had taken "very significant" amounts of cocaine with sleeping pills and vodka, and that she had suffered 60% burns to her body, including her tongue.[16] The coroner noted that at some stage in the night after both Speight and Collins had gone to bed, Collins got up to have a bath. He said that it was "more likely than not" that a heart problem had caused Collins to fall unconscious while the hot tap was running.[11] Following Collins's death, Speight moved in with her mother.[17]

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by Autumn on 11.03.10 21:23

@bunny wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:Yep, I am happy for that one to stand - because you had the whole of the internet to dig out information on the tragic death of this man.

Wiki is an obvious start, yet you didn't go for Wiki, you tried to infer that there was something suspicious about his girlfriend's death with your first round of comments.
What seems clear is that Speight was probably a cocaine user and supplier. A criminal.

Sorry, it may sound heartless, but I don't buy the story of the girlfriend waking up in the middle of the night and falling into a hot bath. OK, the Coroner couldn't prove otherwise, but I wonder what the girlfriend's family made of it all?

Autumn, what has this got to do with Kate running either?

Are you going to ask Tony to stay on topic as well?

I would have thought that 'everyone' includes Tony.

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by vaguely1 on 11.03.10 21:24

jkh wrote:Carole Erskine, Sky News Online

The mother of Madeleine McCann is taking part in a charity run to raise money to help find missing people.

Kate McCann has vowed to keep hunting for her missing daughter

Kate McCann will join the 10km Miles for Missing People run, taking place in London's Hyde Park on Saturday, with other families whose loved ones have vanished.

Rachel Elias, sister of former Manic Street Preachers guitarist Richey Edwards, who went missing in 1995, will be attending the event.

Nicki Durbin, whose son Luke disappeared in 2006, is also set to run.

Mrs McCann, 42, and her husband Gerry, 41, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were on holiday with their three children in Praia da Luz in Portugal when Madeleine went missing in May 2007.

She said: "I'm running the Miles for Missing People for all missing children.

"Gerry and I know the pain that having Madeleine missing has caused us, but sadly we are not alone.

"There are thousands of families across the UK waiting for news.

"That's why Missing People provides support for missing children, vulnerable adults and families left behind, and we want to do all we can to help them."

Mrs McCann is raising funds for her run at uk.virginmoneygiving.com/katemccann1.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCanns-Mother-Kate-In-Charity-Run-For-Miles-For-Missing-People-In-Londons-Hyde-Park/Article/201003215570998?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15570998_Madeleine_McCanns_Mother_Kate_In_Charity_Run_For_Miles_For_Missing_People_In_Londons_Hyde_Park

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 11.03.10 21:25

What is your point with the last post vaguely?

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by Autumn on 11.03.10 21:26

I'm getting a headache, lets try and stay on topic angrypcuser

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by vaguely1 on 11.03.10 21:27

@ Jill It's a C&P of the opening post for the thread.....thought it might help us get back on topic?

Is that okay?

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by Autumn on 11.03.10 21:30

Off to the Games thread to chill out with a large glass of wine drunken

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A short essay on 'gays'

Post by Tony Bennett on 11.03.10 21:33

@bunny wrote:Tony, why do you hate gays?
Another one of those questions like: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

I don't hate gays as a group, nor do I hate any individual gay, nor so far as I am aware do I hate anyone.

But I do have concerns.

For a male teenager to become actively homosexual before he's 20 will, typically, cut his life expectancy roughly in half - from about 80 to 40.

Active homosexuals are much more likely than active heterosexuals to suffer a wide variety of sexually transmitted diseases, not least of course HIV and full-blown AIDS. They are more likely to be depressed, mentally ill, suicidal, and abusers of alcohol and drugs. These things are known from study after study, too many to cite.

Whilst not in any way supporting discrimination against homosexual men and women in most occupations and in access to services etc., I believe that marriage between a man and a woman is the best way, and that we are designed that way. Therefore I think marriage should be promoted and I do not support the active promotion of homosexuality in schools. On the contrary, I believe teenage children should be warned of the health risks of the active homosexual lifetstyle.

I also believe the age of consent to homosexuality should be raised at least back up from 16 to 18 and I do not support 'gay adoption'.

Homosexual advocacy groups typically exaggerate the percentage of homosexuals in the community, claiming up to 10% of people are homosexual. A raft of studies worldwide shows that they never exceed 3% of any population and the average figure is 1%. However, so successful have they been in persuading people that their figures are right that many agencies now have targets for the proportion of homosexuals in their workforces. I'm open to correction, but I believe that ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) recommend that 7% of all police staff should be homosexual (or bisexual or transsexual or transgendered, sorry, nearly forgot about all those). That's simply unfair to peope who are not homosexual.

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by Guest on 11.03.10 21:46

Tony, I realise you were only answering a question, which you have every right to do. A very unnecessary question, and nothing to do with the original post, but If all members could please stay on the topic in question. If you would like to start another discussion please feel free to do so. This thread will be locked if it continually gets derailed.

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Reversion to the topic

Post by Tony Bennett on 11.03.10 22:02

candyfloss wrote:Tony...If you would like to start another discussion please feel free to do so.
No, I don't want to start another discussion on this topic, but was happy (as you observed) to answer a question, albeit an immensely loaded question and one that had nothing whatsoever do do with the subject of the thread.

If I return to the subject of the thread, I do find it mildly curious, at least, that someone running for an organisation purportedly about missing or abducted people should want to celebrate Mark Speight. He only went 'missing' after his girlfriend died apparently in a hot bath after an evening together with him of grossly excess alcohol and drug abuse - probably not for the first time.

Why not run on behalf of someone who really is 'missing' - now - under truly unfortunate circumstances? Surely that would be more productive?

I also have some question marks about the obvious nexus between the McCanns, 'Missing People' and 'Missing People Europe'.

That's all.

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Post by Autumn on 11.03.10 22:11

I am at a loss as to why a charity set up in Speight's memory, has been included in the event at Hyde Park, given that he is not a 'missing' person. Speight's brief disappearance which culminated in him being found dead, having committed suicide, following the suspicious death of his girlfriend, hardly puts him in the 'missing' person catergory.

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by Ruby on 12.03.10 1:40

... so Kate is running 10 miles around Hyde Park.
Wouldn't the time and effort be better spent running around the lawless villages where her daughter's trapped? What with this and the radio show it's a busy old life isn't it. When will they get time to open that file... you know, the one that might tell the whereabouts of their missing daughter.

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Post by Avery on 12.03.10 2:31

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@bunny wrote:Tony, why do you hate gays?
Another one of those questions like: "When did you stop beating your wife?"

I don't hate gays as a group, nor do I hate any individual gay, nor so far as I am aware do I hate anyone.

But I do have concerns.

For a male teenager to become actively homosexual before he's 20 will, typically, cut his life expectancy roughly in half - from about 80 to 40.

Active homosexuals are much more likely than active heterosexuals to suffer a wide variety of sexually transmitted diseases, not least of course HIV and full-blown AIDS. They are more likely to be depressed, mentally ill, suicidal, and abusers of alcohol and drugs. These things are known from study after study, too many to cite.

Whilst not in any way supporting discrimination against homosexual men and women in most occupations and in access to services etc., I believe that marriage between a man and a woman is the best way, and that we are designed that way. Therefore I think marriage should be promoted and I do not support the active promotion of homosexuality in schools. On the contrary, I believe teenage children should be warned of the health risks of the active homosexual lifetstyle.

I also believe the age of consent to homosexuality should be raised at least back up from 16 to 18 and I do not support 'gay adoption'.

Homosexual advocacy groups typically exaggerate the percentage of homosexuals in the community, claiming up to 10% of people are homosexual. A raft of studies worldwide shows that they never exceed 3% of any population and the average figure is 1%. However, so successful have they been in persuading people that their figures are right that many agencies now have targets for the proportion of homosexuals in their workforces. I'm open to correction, but I believe that ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) recommend that 7% of all police staff should be homosexual (or bisexual or transsexual or transgendered, sorry, nearly forgot about all those). That's simply unfair to peope who are not homosexual.

The whole problem with your discussion is captured in the sentence "for a male teenager to BECOME gay". No one becomes anything they ARE gay. There is no choice involved. The only discussion has to revolve around the way we, as the other 90 percent, deal with it.

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Post by Ruby on 12.03.10 2:41

Back on topic please!

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.03.10 3:09

@Ruby wrote:... so Kate is running 10 miles around Hyde Park.
Wouldn't the time and effort be better spent running around the lawless villages where her daughter's trapped? What with this and the radio show it's a busy old life isn't it. When will they get time to open that file... you know, the one that might tell the whereabouts of their missing daughter.

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Scary, you seem to be reading my thoughts.

Yeah, they couldn't bloody remember any specific.....
apart from the 2 PDL sightings, which is common knowledge to the whole world anyway.
Even that they didnt pursue.....If I were innocent I would make sure investigators haul Smith to PT for re-interviews.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.03.10 4:10

@vaguely1 wrote:Yep, I am happy for that one to stand - because you had the whole of the internet to dig out information on the tragic death of this man.

Wiki is an obvious start, yet you didn't go for Wiki, you tried to infer that there was something suspicious about his girlfriends death with your first round of comments. Then you went to 'GAY FORUM' and copy and pasted scurrilous gossip rather than posting up the conclusion that the investigating officers reached.

So I won't apologise, and I appreciate that it wasn't actually you asking for an apology.

And Autumn please don't ban me for 24 hours, that's so pointless. You ban someone for 24 hours when they are being needlessly hot headed to give them a cooling off period. Just ban me for good (you can do this by banning my IP, it's a fixed IP not a proxy, and not AOL)

Hope that helps.

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I observed you've asked to be shown the exit door more than once.
They may just call your bluff.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.03.10 4:16

@Autumn wrote:I am at a loss as to why a charity set up in Speight's memory, has been included in the event at Hyde Park, given that he is not a 'missing' person. Speight's brief disappearance which culminated in him being found dead, having committed suicide, following the suspicious death of his girlfriend, hardly puts him in the 'missing' person catergory.

No disrespect - but why was a charity established in his memory - what had he done for the good of mankind? Was he a celebrity? Far as I understand he was a TV personality on children's programme.



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Me, too, I fail to understand how he could be classed as 'missing'. I would have thought 'AWOL' maybe understand those circumstances.

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Post by aiyoyo on 12.03.10 4:40

bunny,

Do you have children?
Mind if I ask, if one of them were to tell you s/he is gay, how will you react?

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Another day with the governess

Post by Tony Bennett on 12.03.10 6:36

@Ruby wrote:... so Kate is running 10 miles around Hyde Park.
Wouldn't the time and effort be better spent running around the lawless villages where her daughter's trapped? What with this and the radio show it's a busy old life isn't it. When will they get time to open that file... you know, the one that might tell the whereabouts of their missing daughter.
The twins will be missing their Mum this week...a couple of days with lawyers in Portugal, a studio recording of how Mummy has benefited from Roman Catholicism, and then a trip down to London for a quarter-marathon.

They must be getting very fond of their baby-sitter governess

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by Ruby on 12.03.10 8:36

Yes, those files seem an awfully low priority, don't they?

HOW CAN THIS BE RIGHT?????

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Re: 6 miles of running by Dr Kate McCann for Madeleine McCann in Hyde Park - Saturday

Post by justagrannynow 1 on 13.03.10 18:55

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Madeleine-McCann-Parents-Kate-And-Gerry-Join-Miles-For-Missing-People-In-Londons-Hyde-Park/Article/201003215573157?lpos=UK_News_First_UK_News_Article_Teaser_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_15573157_Madeleine_McCann%3A_Parents_Kate_And_Gerry_Join_Miles_For_Missing_People_In_Londons_Hyde_Park





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McCanns In Charity Run For Missing People

1:05pm UK, Saturday March 13, 2010

Huw Borland, Sky News Online
The parents of Madeleine McCann have joined 450 runners to take part in a 10km charity run for missing people.

Gerry, 41, and Kate McCann, 42, lined up at the first ever Miles for Missing People in London's Hyde Park, alongside other families whose loved ones vanished.

The couple wore matching white T-shirts bearing a smiling picture of their daughter and the words "Don't give up on me".

There are moments when you swing between hope and despair, sometimes you feel different emotions at the same time which can be very confusing.

Rachel Elias

Mrs McCann and her husband Gerry, from Rothley, Leicestershire, were on holiday with their three children in Praia da Luz, Portugal, when Madeleine went missing in May 2007.

In an earlier statement, Mrs McCann said: "Gerry and I know the pain that having Madeleine missing has caused us, but sadly we are not alone.

Madeleine McCann

Missing girl Madeleine

"There are thousands of families across the UK waiting for news.

"That's why Missing People provides support for missing children, vulnerable adults and families left behind, and we want to do all we can to help them."

Rachel Elias, 40, from South Wales, sister of former Manic Street Preachers guitarist Richey Edwards, who went missing in February 1995, was among the runners.

She said: "I am running it for my brother and for all the other people who have disappeared and to support the work of this charity.

"They have been a tremendous source of strength over the last 15 years.

Rachel Elias, sister of Richey Edwards, Nicki Durbin, Kate and Gerry McCann, before the 'Miles For Missing People' 10km run in Hyde Park, London.

Rachel Elias, sister of Richey Edwards, Nicki Durbin and Kate and Gerry McCann

"(Edwards) was legally declared dead in November 2008, but there is no certainty over the loss, there is that hope.

"There are moments when you swing between hope and despair, sometimes you feel different emotions at the same time which can be very confusing."

Nicki Durbin, 41, from Suffolk, whose son Luke disappeared in 2006 aged 19 following an evening at a nightclub in Ipswich, also supported the event.


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