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Kates CLEAR memory of what happened night 030507 - Truth of her lie

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Post by Guest on 27.09.12 22:15

Have a look at the two first minutes at this video
At the same time as you listen to Kates own word of what happened.. Read her same story, written by her own hands at the same time..





Then you will notice this :

1. In the vid documentary She forgets to mention how she entered the patio doors, as Gerry and Matt had done, as she says in her book

2 . She remember, to be honest she says, how she might have been tempted to turn around, if she had not noticed the door.. She forgets to mention that part in her book.

3. In the vid doc she forgets to mentioned that she first assumed Matt had left it opened as she do in her book. Instead she says : It was open mych further then we left it.

4. In the vid doc she forgets to mention how after the door slam shutt, she retraced her steps to see if she left the patio doors open.

5. In the vid doc she forgets to tell how when she realized Madeleine wasnt acually there, she went through to their bedroom to see if she had gotten into their bed, because that would have explained the opend door, and then ran back to the childrens bedroom and that was when the curtains flew up in a gust of wind.

And they wonder why people doubt them ?


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Post by russiandoll on 09.05.13 15:54

Kate's witness statement mentions her verifying the twins were there, as she does in this video.
In the section of the book quoted above, she makes no mention of seeing the twins in their cots.

How come she was confused about whether what she saw in the bed was Maddie or just the bedding, but had no such problem making out the twins...she makes it clear that she saw them, she did not ask herself if what she was seeing were the twins or just bedclothes. She remains standing at the threshold in the video, so did not enter the room, yet had no trouble seeing 2 of her children. Why did she not register straight away that the third child was not in her bed?

Watch that video; the angle Kate opens the door does not allow her to see the twins in their cots.
She shows us clearly that she went to close the door without looking inside the room. Only after it slammed as she was shutting it did she reopen the door.

So, if the door had not slammed, no check; there would have been no awareness of a missing child for another 30 minutes.
Which would have given the abductor plenty of time to be well away from the scene.
And they moan about how the long time the police took to arrive gave the abductor a chance to be over the border..while they were just very lucky they discovered their missing daughter..because of a chance gust of wind !!

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Post by Guest on 09.05.13 16:38

The comparison between the video and the bewk clearly shows - again - how they've been adapting to correct their story over the past years.

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Post by PeterMac on 09.05.13 16:59

It is always good to go back to the basics. Examine what is in the statements, and see how it has changed over the years.
We examine Kate's claim that the door slammed, and when she went in the curtains “Whooshed” open.

In 2008 Kate McCann gave an interview in which she described graphically what happened when she entered the apartment for her check, and discovered Madeleine to be missing.

“I did my check about ten o’clock and went in through the sliding patio doors, and I just stood actually, and I thought, uh, all quiet. And to be honest, I might have been tempted to turn round then, but I just noticed that the door, the bedroom door where the three children were sleeping, was open much further than we’d left it.
I went to close it to about here, and then as I got to here, it suddenly . . . slammed, and as I opened it, it was then, that I just thought I’ll just look at the children.
I see Sean and Amelie in the cot . . . .
I was looking at Madeleine’s bed which is here, and it was dark and I was looking and I was thinking is that, is that Madeleine or is that the bedding and I couldn't quite make her out, and it sounds really stupid now, but at the time I was just thinking I didn’t want to put the light on because I didn't want to wake them, and literally as I went back in, the curtains of the bedroom which were drawn, [demonstrates with both forearms together] that were closed, “wheesh’ like a gust of wind kind of blew them open.
And cuddle cat was still there, and the pink blanket was still there. I knew straight away that, err, she’d been . . . taken, yer know.”
[1]

We notice a number of significant points in this interview.
• We are told that the door was open “further than we had left it”, but on the video it is clear and demonstrated that this did not mean fully open.
• We are told that the curtains were fully closed, and this is demonstrated on the video by the forearms being held vertically in front of the body and together
• We are told that the curtains blew into the room.

There are problems with this version of events.

If the curtains had blown up in the manner described they would have fallen back onto the bed, and have been lying across the bedclothes and across the chair

The photos taken by the PJ show clearly that the curtains are hanging down, and held firmly, one trapped down the side of the bed against the wall, and the other behind the wicker chair. The folds in each curtain are clearly flattened against the wall by the furniture.

The bed is unmade. It is alleged that Kate had slept in this bed the night before.

The photos show the windows closed. They are of the type that lock together automatically when closed, and require a finger inserted into the black mechanism in the centre to release the catch. They also show the shutters in the almost closed position
* [2]

And the photos also show the curtains half closed, the left curtain slightly more closed than the right one.

.* [3]

However,
From Kate’s police statement, dated 4th May we learn,

“At around 10pm, the witness came to check on the children. She went into the apartment by the side door, which was closed, but unlocked, as already said, and immediately noticed that the door to her children's bedroom was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains open, while she was certain of having closed them all as she always did.” [4]

Gerry’s statement of 4th May does contain hearsay evidence, but as husband and wife they have obviously spoken between themselves, and the statement can be taken at face value.
“At 10pm, his wife Kate went to check on the children. She went into the apartment through the door using her key and saw right away that the children’s bedroom door was completely open, the window was also open, the shutters raised and the curtains drawn open. The side door that opens into the living room, which as said earlier, was never locked, was closed.” [5]

In Gerry’s 10th May statement we find
“The deponent ran into the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open to one side, the shutters almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE’s bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cots. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scenario that she found when she entered the apartment.
Then he closed the shutters, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside. “
[6]

Kate made the first half of a statement on 6th September, but it was adjourned late at night, to be resumed the following day. It was at this point that the events of late evening of 3rd May were about to to be discussed.
The following day Kate immediately exercised her right to remain silent as arguida and said nothing more of evidential interest. The more detailed analysis of her story was therefore never undertaken.
So
• in the original statements the curtains were drawn back, or fully open.
• in the police photos they are half drawn.
• In the subsequent explanation they are fully closed

In addition the windows are sliding, so only one half can be open, that pane moving in front of the other. A gust of wind would therefore disturb only one curtain.

But now let us examine the story around the children’s bedroom door.

In her police statement of 4th May, which was then confirmed, albeit in hearsay form in both of Gerry’s statements, she says, explicitly, “. . .the children’s bedroom door was completely open”. The same form of words is used by Gerry. “the door was completely open”. and he clarifies that this is what he was told by Kate.

But months later the story of the slamming door, and the door left open a bit more than we had left it, is told to journalists as in the video [q.v.], and it is this version which appears in the book.
p. 71 “Then I noticed that the door to the children’s bedroom was open quite wide, not how we had left it. At first I assumed that Matt must have moved it. I walked over and gently began to pull it to. Suddenly it slammed shut, as if caught by a draught.” [7]

Leaving aside for a moment the clear indication in that passage, and in the video, [see transcript] that Kate had no intention of looking in at the children, this is clearly at odds with all the police statements so far given, which emphasise and repeat that the door was “completely open”

What are the possible ways of understanding this paradox ?

The first option is that Kate immediately started rearranging the room, but in this case did not make the bed, which was still unmade from the previous night.
It is of interest to note that she had not even pulled the bed straight when she got up, or when she made Madeleine's bed, which is neat and tidy in the photos, with the corner neatly turned down, giving at least the appearance that no one had slept in it. [8]

But she must have tucked the curtains back down the crack between the bed and the wall, certainly having to move the bed out to do so, and made sure they were hanging properly, before pushing it back against the wall before the police arrived.
She must also have done this before returning to the Tapas bar to give the alert, as none of the friends mention any such activity.
Again she must also have partially closed the curtains, since both statements insist that the curtains were “open”, “drawn open” or “drawn back”. and in the photos they are not.

The second option is that the curtains did not "whoosh".
And if the curtains did not "Whoosh" then the door did not slam.

It is important to remember that it was not reported in either of Gerry’s statements, nor in Kate’s statement that the curtains blew open or that the door slammed. This detail was only reported by Kate to journalists several months later.

The weather that night was mild, with a light breeze,. In Faro it was recorded as reaching only Force 3. At 10pm only 14.4kph. This is the bottom end of Force 3. [9]

Beaufort Force 3 Gentle breeze 12–19 km/h (3–5 m/s)
Leaves and small twigs constantly moving, light flags extended. [10]

Might that be enough to slam a door ? Or to whoosh a curtain trapped behind a bed ?

Neither Kate nor Gerry mentions closing the window.
In her statement Kate does not mention Gerry’s closing and opening the shutters.

In view of the evidence of the above, one is surely entitled to question the “official account” or indeed any of them, in that they seem unsupported by evidence.

References
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhACS6ck-Dw&feature=player_embedded
See 1:15 onwards
2 http://mccannfiles.com/id155.html
3 http://mccannfiles.com/id155.html
4 Witness statement of Kate Marie Healy, 4th May 2007,
http://mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta4
5  Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann, 4th May 2007,
http://mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta1
6 Witness statement of Gerald Patrick McCann, 10th May 2007.
http://mccannfiles.com/id192.html#sta3
7 ‘”madeleine’”, Kate McCann, Random Press, 2011, at p. 71
8 http://mccannfiles.com/id155.html
9 http://www.wunderground.com
10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaufort_scale

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Post by PeterMac on 09.05.13 17:03

Again, we may be falling into Clarrie's trap - of believing what we are told; of believing what is in the book; of believing what is in the statements.
He has done his job well, hasn't he !

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Post by tigger on 09.05.13 17:18

This whole episode - the little tale of the door, the surprise of seeing it open a little more, the careful look around the corner THEN the WHOOSH!

It's a film script. Absolutely NOT written by Kate McCann although she seemed to relish acting it, arms flying everywhere, suspension building up...

By the time this documentary was made - April 08? In January 08 we have this ( confirmed by Clarence Mitchell)

8/1Madeleine: The Movie
It is reported that Kate and Gerry McCann are in talks to turn the story of their missing daughter Madeleine into a movie. They are negotiating with one of the world’s largest talent and entertainment agencies, IMG. (McCannfiles.com)

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Post by Guest on 09.05.13 18:55

McPuke: unadulterated emotion, by unsuspecting observer, unable to stomach contents of information hurled at him/her.


As in:


Howling Kate and her mother visit the very spot where she (HK) last held her dead charismatic daughter in her arms before traipsing off to the New Zealand white w(h)ine induced booze, swinging and Hoochi Coochi induced shenanigan enlivend quiet meal together. Out of sight of the "Tapas behind the plactic cover obstructing any view free for all inclusive' meals cum C2H5OH cum Hoochi Coochi cum habitual little friendly outings.

Now here is a thought:

Maybe little Maddie did manage to away from the apartment?

Maybe she did turn up at the adult festivities ?

Maybe one of the adults involved was charged with taking her back to her bed?

Maybe she balked at this, not knowing the person who took her back, and tried to run off?

Or balking, came to mischief?

GOK: God only knows.



Has anyone considered this scenario?

Tapas boozing full throttles; Maddie turning up;
Gosh, Kate, Gerry, Lord Muck: take care of the situation!

OK, no problem, just going there to check my own drowning in their own vomit babies; will do, come with me my little charismatic dear;

Scream, scratch, howl, kick, bite

Now now, kiddo, cut the crap!

Howl howl, why didn't Mammy and Dady come when Sean and I cried?

Cann it, you Twit!

Maaaah!

OK, you little Twit, that's enough!

Exetara exetara

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Post by russiandoll on 09.05.13 18:56

Yes, Tigger, all about suspense. That video is worth multiple rewatchings.
Note how far open the door is when Kate describes it and decides to shut it..it offers a good view into the room but she does not look into the room at this point, when she could have easily seen all of the children. The abductor had been at this point, Oldfield said that he could make out the twins so he thought the shutters must have been up at the time of his check earlier.
Kate then closes the door to a very narrow angle, looks towards Maddie's bed, says she saw the twins, still looking at the bed. Then she goes into the is it her I cant make her out stuff. She had much less of a view inside to the twins cots than she had earlier and there is no movement of her head to look at the twins. one of the cots was close to the chest of drawers, but for the other cot, she would have needed a door opened wider than she describes in the video, surely?
If the twins were in that room, given Kate's re- enactment it does not appear they were in the cots shown in PJ files photos of the bedroom. I tend to believe that they were not there at that time.

Note the little jerking movement from Kate and her look of shock as the door slams. My oh my...... you could not make it up.

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Post by russiandoll on 09.05.13 18:59

Various permutations of Matt, Jane, Russ scenarios because I do not accept for one minute that they were away from that table and doing what they claimed. They were all absent at a key time in the timeline.

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Post by tigger on 09.05.13 20:00

Russiandoll wrote:

Note the little jerking movement from Kate and her look of shock as the door slams. My oh my...... you could not make it up. Unquote

That's one of the many reasons I will never have any sympathy for these two.

If you were actually 'reliving' that experience there's no way you'd enhance it like that. It's all acting. bad

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Post by PeterMac on 10.05.13 9:13

And despite what Oldfield and Kate say, you cannot see a child breathing in one of those folding travel cots unless you stand over it and look down. The mesh sides are almost opaque, and are very high, to stop the child climbing out, obviously, and the mattress is only just off the floor.
From the door you would not be able to see the children at all.
But since Kate says she wasn't even going to look in at them anyway, it probably doesn't matter.

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Post by russiandoll on 10.05.13 10:51

Sorry to be like a dog with a bone with this basic issue, but the couple made so much of the way they left the bedroom door on these checks.
I am trying to be as objective as possible, which is sometimes difficult after hearing and reading so much which results in negative opinions.

To start from what I believe is a very fair position:

Kate, in the video, is not re-enacting her precise movements for an official reconstruction of events. She has uppermost in her mind not the twins, but her missing child. It seems reasonable to me that she would remark casually that she saw the twins without showing exactly how she looked to check. It is the position of the door which bothers me.
Kate opens the door in this video not to demonstrate how it was opened to check the children, but to show us how it was open much wider than she expected to find it.
Considering that she has gone to the trouble of describing in such detail the slamming door and her other actions which took place over a matter of seconds, especially the " is she there or not "about Maddie in the bed.....I would expect her to move the door to an approximate of the position for her check.

It is only once she returns the door to its normal position [ the way she expected to find it] after it has slammed shut that she does her check for the video.
Are we meant to believe that on every previous check on the holiday, the door was never opened from the position it had been left in when they went to eat? Which is clear from this video, almost closed.
She shows us clearly that she never reopened it any wider than this very narrow angle. The way she wanted it left. But surely on previous checks it was opened slightly wider and then closed over again?
Why after the slam does she not do what it is logical to do on a check, open it to an angle so that allows her to see into the room?
They boasted often enough how they did more than listen outside to check, they went in, Kate said in her book that they visually checked. This video is proof that she did not intend that, the inference for me is that there was no need for a visual check that evening at 10 pm , there were no children in 5a at that time and this is nothing but a dramatic account of something which did not happen.
No wonder she was asked about her movements after entering 5a and no wonder she refused to answer.
The police had it right from the start.

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Post by worriedmum on 10.05.13 12:32

You leave the bedroom door ajar if you want to hear your children but keep the room fairly dark. How could you hear them if you are down a path, around a swimming pool and in a Tapas bar?

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Post by Nina on 10.05.13 14:49

She says it wasn't the same as they had left it, yet Gerry had done a check before her so was it a rule/expected that it was to always be left at a certain angle which led her to state it wasn't as they left it?

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Post by Nina on 10.05.13 14:51

@worriedmum wrote:You leave the bedroom door ajar if you want to hear your children but keep the room fairly dark. How could you hear them if you are down a path, around a swimming pool and in a Tapas bar?

Exactly worriedmum, the ajar door is for listening at or for hearing from within if you are in another room, or down the stairs, not the distance they were from that tucked away bedroom.

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Post by Cristobell on 10.05.13 15:14

The only thing that tipped Kate off was the door being slightly further ajar than they had left it. This means that if the abductor entered through the patio doors as now claimed, he would have closed the outside gate behind him, and also closed the patio doors and the curtains, as Kate makes no reference to the gate, the patio doors or indeed, even the front door being open.

Having been burgled in the past, I can state quite categorically that the burglars made no attempt whatsoever to tidy up or close doors behind them. Criminals go in grab their booty and get away asap.

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Post by russiandoll on 10.05.13 15:36

The abductor even took the trouble to leave the key on the worktop, didn't he? Or they..K and G often refer to a plural

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Post by PeterMac on 10.05.13 17:00

You are beginning to worry me. You don't actually believe them, do you ?
And if so which version ?

That may seem like a silly thing to say, but the true believers have to choose which version they are going with.
Broken shutters / open shutters,
door open more than we left it, / wide open
curtains wide open / tight shut and whooshing.

So far there are EIGHT possible combinations.

So eight loyal supporters can still come to blows, even though they believe the official story.

Then add GM entry through front door with key / patio door
and you have SIXTEEN.

Every one of the versions testified to by the two main people involved. Mostly in writing but all of it in the public domain and references.

No wonder Mrs M backed down in the High Court, and they reduced the costs by a third of a million pounds to prevent TB from pointing up the absurdity of their position.

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Post by aiyoyo on 10.05.13 18:11

@PeterMac wrote:

No wonder Mrs M backed down in the High Court, and they reduced the costs by a third of a million pounds to prevent TB from pointing up the absurdity of their position.



No wonder they folk out 1/4 million in exchange for TB's silence.
CR's bills still have to be paid by TM. The reaching of a compromise with TB by cutting the bills by a hugh chuck to secure his silence for life is akin to using money to trade in for his silence. They are not silencing him per se, but securing his silence temporary until such time the lid comes off - like taking out an insurance policy with an open end maturity date.

Not a wise move at all because they're doing themselves a dis-favour as their action has the potential of turning Tony Bennett into an international hero and them into international villains. Ultimately when the truth is out, people will find their action of silencing innocent men more evil and more abhorrent than their deceit and lies.



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Post by PeterMac on 10.05.13 22:49

But the even more bizarre thing is that
IF, and only IF, they are eventually proved, beyond a reasonable doubt, to having been economical with the truth,
and are sentenced to long terms of imprisonment for whatever offences are revealed . . .
Tony Bennett will STILL not be able to make any comment whatsoever, ever, anywhere. . . for the rest of his life.
If you think that is stupid, I have to tell you it is English law.

And we do not trust Portuguese law, do we ! !

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 10.05.13 23:02

@Nina wrote:She says it wasn't the same as they had left it, yet Gerry had done a check before her so was it a rule/expected that it was to always be left at a certain angle which led her to state it wasn't as they left it?

Had exactly the same thought only earlier today. As two people had already been in and looked at the children, a centimetre or three difference in a door angle would be hugely irrelevant, if you could even remember exactly how you'd left it yourself after a couple of glasses of vino.

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Post by russiandoll on 10.05.13 23:36

Yes Smoke and Mirrors, and the over-egging of the pudding is exactly why I doubt any of her claimed actions ever happened. A simple retelling of an actual event would work. This dramatic nonsense of the wind and returning to check the patio door which she would leave by in a matter of moments is a fiction.
It would not make for much of a drama would it, to simply say
" I entered by the patio door, walked over to the kids' bedroom where the door was slightly open, and looked in at them. I could just make out the twins in the near darkness, but had to focus my eyes closely on Maddie's bed, because I could not see her. I realised with horror that there was not a problem with my vision.....she was not in her bed. Panic had hit me even before I went to check our room. "
Something like that is what I believe would have been written, had the event been genuine.

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Re: Kates CLEAR memory of what happened night 030507 - Truth of her lie

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 11.05.13 6:43

I think so too, RD. Excessive "detailing" on certain aspects of "Shuttergate" repeatedly, yet ignoring or being unwilling to comment on the fact that only HER fingerprints were lifted from the window frame are at great odds with the telling of a convincing tale.

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Re: Kates CLEAR memory of what happened night 030507 - Truth of her lie

Post by Guest on 11.05.13 9:26

Excessive detailing is indeed the best indication for deception.

I once had to fire a mason, who has been cheating on and stealing from me. And I explicitly forbid him to ever enter my premises again. Upon return from a 3-week mission, I was informed by the housekeeper, that she'd seen him and sent him away one Sunday morning. I wrote an angry registered letter, requesting him to explain why the **** my orders had been disobeyed.

His reply: I was wondering on Sunday morning May 14, how the walls which I restored for you had been keeping. So I got into my car and when to your place. At approx. 9am I entered via the small gate on the side and went to the front of the main building to take some pictures for my presentation book. After one shot the film was finished and I went back to my car, which was parked in front of the main gate. I opened the trunk and took a new film from the backpack, which stored there. I sat in the car to change the film and went back again to the main building, this time via the main gate. When I had taken some 5-6 pictures, your housekeeper threatened me and I went away.

Instead of: I wanted to take some pictures for my presentation book and had forgotten that you are always on mission at this time of the year, for which I apologies.

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Re: Kates CLEAR memory of what happened night 030507 - Truth of her lie

Post by PeterMac on 11.05.13 10:06

And still there is "wider than WE had left it."
Ignoring completely the Gerry AND the Oldfield visit, during which surely, she must have supposed that a check actually involved a check.
OK Oldfield very quickly got out of being the last person to see M alive, dumping that dubious honour back in Garry's lap, but Kate had no knowledge of what he was going to say.
Theoretically, of course.
The whole thing she is trying to create just doesn't hold water.
None of her versions is any better than any other, whether it be curtains, shutters, doors, windows, she has told so many different stories that I doubt whether she now knows which is her final version.

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