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Post by dai thomas on 18.08.12 19:14

Just me being a bit silly now. Let us say for arguments sake that I was to rob a jewelry store and pinch a big diamond and I store it in a bag that I'm carrying around and then whoops, I lose the bag. First thing I think is "oh no" because there's other items in the bag that link directly to me. Now I have a predicament, the bag may be found and taken to the local police station and I'm going to get put in prison. But what if I get a story out into the public domain implying that said bag was stolen. This is either going to put the person who found it in fear of handing it in, or even if they did, this bag has been handled by a 3rd party which could assist me lying at a later stage, or they may just keep the rock and send the bag back. Either way it's going to assist me.

So my question is this ! Did he just lose the wallet and then use the theft as a cover up because there was something in the wallet he didn't want anyone to see .

May have got it totally wrong but spontaneous thoughts are sometimes worth babbling about .

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Post by tigger on 18.08.12 19:48

All through these stories runs the common thread that people were so aware of the important person Gerry was and so amazingly famous that the normal course of events would not apply.
Normal: your wallet gets lifted, all monies are taken out, likely you have a fence who'll pay you for the cards which may or may not be usable. Whether the money is in euros or pounds, you take the lot, chuck the wallet. You don't take much notice of the name or anything else in the wallet. Money and cards.

But God smiled upon Gerry - therefore he gave the thief a conscience, the thief saw the wallet, for seeing Gerry had not alerted him that here was the true one, the only Dr. McCann. Only upon opening the wallet did he see the name McCann and he immediately surmised this must be THE McCann (although he must have picked him out in the station, followed him to the ATM) .
Then was the thief sore afraid, for he knew he had sinned, yet he needed money. According to his faith he took out only the good, British money and left the tainted, sardine-eaters money. Then he purchased an envelope with the good money and purchased stamps to send the wallet back to the good and noble doctor - who had not his present but his old address of two years earlier in his wallet - trusting to God to send the wallet back to the good doctor. In the fullness of time, so it befell.... and lo! it was a miracle, for should one enquire of the police, they would also call this a miracle. A thief with a conscience ... etc.

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Post by Guest on 18.08.12 20:28

I once, just once, in my life was robbed, which happened in a romantic little seaside town in Spain's Catalunya. My handbag was found later in the evening with everything gone, apart from one peseta. But I hadn't had the time yet to change money, so the one peseta definitely wasn't mine [we're talking pre-euro ...]. But the "honest" or maybe rather supersticious robber had "bought" my bag for this one peseta and cleared his soul of sins ... I was as lucky as Gerry, with a thief with a conscience?

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Post by tigger on 18.08.12 20:54

You were lucky, but this is much later and London!
The implication that the wallet was returned because it was Gerry's is imo rubbish. It was a story we needed to be told by TM.
In 2007 euros were currency in London too! It was quite stable at that time.



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Post by Guest on 18.08.12 21:50

@tigger wrote:You were lucky, but this is much later and London!
The implication that the wallet was returned because it was Gerry's is imo rubbish. It was a story we needed to be told by TM.
In 2007 euros were currency in London too! It was quite stable at that time.
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more things stolen from Gerry

Post by tigger on 21.08.12 14:23

I was just going through a timeline topic when I found this - although it's not to do with the credit cards, it seems that the McCanns were exceptionally unlucky - Gerry also reported his golf clubs stolen from his car in Rothley, some time prior to the holiday. I have no reference for this theft.

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It is revealed that police want to trace a blue tennis bag allegedly taken from Kate and Gerry McCann's apartment on the night Madeleine went missing. Detectives think the hold-all could have been used to carry Madeleine as she was taken away, or even to transport the three-year-old's body. It belonged to the girl's father but has not been seen since the night of May 3, according to a Sky News documentary due to be broadcast on Christmas Eve.
Expert Tony Rogers, who reviews unsolved cases for British police and worked on the Soham investigation, said: "If it's a bag of a size that could be used to take a child away from the flat, that would be of great interest to the investigating officer." But McCann family spokesman Clarence Mitchell flatly denied that Mr McCann had lost a bag during the family's holiday. He said: "As far as Kate and Gerry are concerned, there is no missing tennis bag. They came back from holiday with everything except of course, tragically, Madeleine."
Mr McCann told friends yesterday that he did not take any tennis equipment to Praia da Luz, and did not own a blue tennis bag. But Sky News stood by its story, which it said came from sources who had travelled to the resort after Madeleine's disappearance.
Portuguese newspaper Diaria de Noticas reports that the Policiaria Judiciaria have been searching for months for a blue tennis bag, with sufficient size to carry a small child, which belonged to Gerry McCann. The story, advanced by Sky News, adds that Gerry McCann assured PJ investigators at the time that the bag had been "stolen.

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Post by jd on 21.08.12 14:45

This blue bag that was never seen again...which was stored where the cavader dog alerted to!


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Post by tigger on 21.08.12 15:05

It's just so amusing that the stories about these credit cards and the bag are the same.

They didn't exist and they were stolen. thinking

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Post by justme3 on 21.08.12 15:13

C'mon, give G McCann a break. After all, he saved a man on a plane, after the man had had a heart attack...........................................didn't he??

The trip back home was surely eventful, to say the least, but it's strange that we've NEVER seen or heard from that man again. How ungrateful

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Post by Guest on 21.08.12 17:29

@justme3 wrote:C'mon, give G McCann a break. After all, he saved a man on a plane, after the man had had a heart attack...........................................didn't he??

The trip back home was surely eventful, to say the least, but it's strange that we've NEVER seen or heard from that man again. How ungrateful
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Post by flaxyard on 21.08.12 23:54

very interesting thread. a successsful doctor and familyman nowadays simply would have credit/debit cards. Now that we know he did have them, simply losing them would not erase the bank audit info. I have seen in fraud cases money laundering and audit trails have been uncovered by police obtaining credit card info from banks. Again how do the McCanns credit card info somehow remain out of reach? It remains a simple process for the Pollice to request this from banks and they do this by writing via regulators or british banking association who then write to all members. Must be a quite normal request one would think. I wonder if SY have now done this

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Post by mira2 on 25.08.12 3:53

@jd wrote:[19th June 2007] Gerry takes an early-morning flight from Faro, Portugal, to Gatwick, London, landing shortly before midday. Within minutes/an hour/hours of landing Gerry has his wallet stolen at an ATM at Waterloo station/cash machine near the Foreign Office in Whitehall.

According to Philomena McCann, Gerry's sister, "He bent down to put something in his rucksack and some dirty animal had the wallet out of his back pocket."

Gerry has to cancel all his credit cards, thus delaying him and causing the meetings to run on late into the evening.

The Evening Standard reported that London police had said they 'had no record of the theft being reported to officers'. In addition, Clarence Mitchell confirmed that Gerry had attended a meeting at London's foreign office, on Tuesday, but 'could not immediately confirm details of the theft'.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id178.html

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Was gerry mccann really bending down as a decoy? Was he really trying to 'pass something' from PDL to this person? They would be aware of CCTV camera's at the station and at the cash point

Did gerry mccann run after this man? Did he shout after him? Why are there no witnesses to this incident?The commotion this incident would have created would have alerted peoples attention, and everyone in the UK would have recognised him at this point in time and would want their 15 mins of fame. Waterloo is a very busy mainline train station and many times a nightmare being so packed out with people

Was this incident to create a reason to cancel his credit cards? Thereby covering his tracks from past transactions, credit card transactions reveal a lot of information, can pinpoint people...maybe a previous booking & expenditure to PDL perhaps? Did he use his credit card to hire the Renault a few weeks before? Who paid for the hire car as it is hired in his name? (using his old address) It seems very apparent gerry mccann had a strong friendship with john geraghty and strong indications from the start of the scam with the church keys, the 'no comment' murat, are indications he had been in PDL before

On the PJ background check, it says "There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individual maintains an account open with the same bank or credit card accounts for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this kind of search."

This report is dated 16th May 2008. If his credit cards were cancelled 11 months previous, I would think it is very likely that they would not show up on a credit check in 2008, thereby no statement record could be retrieved which would show transactions prior to the May 2007 PDL holiday....and possibly a record of showing he had been there before

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MCCANNS_BACKGROUND.htm



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I have said it before, I will say it again. Gerry McCanns first phonecall after 10pm evening of May 3, 2007 was NOT to the cops to report his daughter missing, it was to an old Uni buddy who just so happened to be New Labours mover and shaker at the time, I do not know if this is fact or not, but it has been reported over and over again on websites.

What has bothered me from the off in this case, is the underhandedness of the UK authorities in that it appears their only mission was to protect the Tapas Group at all costs.

This is where I am at: 3 year old British child has dissappeared whilst abroad with her parents and a group of so called responsible adults. All stops are pulled out to faciliatate the Tapas Group i,e, a bunch of UK NHS Medical professionals whose idea of a holiday was 'lets just go take the kiddies and lets party', in their case it meant the kiddies were there but not there, the adults had a ball, for the kiddies it was just another nightmare, that is until one of the kiddies miraculously went under the rador, then it became a responsiblility on the British taxpayer to find the child.

I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.

I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.]

It was obvious early on in this case that something was amiss, Madeliene was not the focus, she was the cash cow. UK authorities should have been doing everything in their power to find this child, but hey they were busy hailing Kate and Gerry as world wide Ambassadors for chidren.

It is disturbing for me to realise that it matters not ajot who you vote for, the same old sick jerks call the shots, because they have tweaked the system.

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Post by tigger on 25.08.12 6:22

Mira2 wrote:
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.

I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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What people don't understand is that it is very much their problem. A fact they won't realise until it's too late for them to do anything about it.


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Post by rainbow-fairy on 07.09.12 1:19

@tigger wrote:Mira2 wrote:
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.

I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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What people don't understand is that it is very much their problem. A fact they won't realise until it's too late for them to do anything about it.

Totally agree with you both! My bugbear is those who say 'I'm not interested in politics, it doesn't affect me' - well of course it does! Politics affects pretty much everything you do from the minute you wake to the minute you sleep. Only a fool would believe otherwise indeed I once read a good description of a 'total fool' - 'someone who believes everything their Government tells them'. Same goes for mainstream media as the two are intrinsically linked. Well, I don't believe what the media and Clarrie etc have been telling us about all this since May 4, 2007. I didn't believe the story then and nothing I have seen heard or read since has changed my mindset, indeed it has all strengthened it. From body language to forensic limguistics, police statements and bizarre behaviour all screams 'we know'. The powers-that-be know. What sends a real chill up my spine is WHY the powers-that-be need to cover it all up (and yes I think I have a good idea why) :'(

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 07.09.12 7:05

@tigger wrote:Mira2 wrote:
I cannot abide corruption on any level and I would like to think that one of these days my generation would grow a skin and speak out.

I know it is not going to happen because the average Brit has not got a clue about hardship, like the yanks they have been indoctrinated. A case of, if it is not happening in my front garden it is not my problem.
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What people don't understand is that it is very much their problem. A fact they won't realise until it's too late for them to do anything about it.

Totally agree with you both! My bugbear is those who say 'I'm not interested in politics, it doesn't affect me' - well of course it does! Politics affects pretty much everything you do from the minute you wake to the minute you sleep. Only a fool would believe otherwise indeed I once read a good description of a 'total fool' - 'someone who believes everything their Government tells them'. Same goes for mainstream media as the two are intrinsically linked. Well, I don't believe what the media and Clarrie etc have been telling us about all this since May 4, 2007. I didn't believe the story then and nothing I have seen heard or read since has changed my mindset, indeed it has all strengthened it. From body language to forensic limguistics, police statements and bizarre behaviour all screams 'we know'. The powers-that-be know. What sends a real chill up my spine is WHY the powers-that-be need to cover it all up (and yes I think I have a good idea why) :'(

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Post by Ribisl on 08.09.12 16:58

It makes me angry when I see just how much they must have lied and how clumsily they then tried to cover up their lies. If we assume that Madeleine died and her body was disposed of by her parents, then there are three more likely reasons for the massive and so far very successful cover-up involving some highly influential individuals pulling the strings behind the scene.

1. The MCs (and the T7) were involved in some sort of clandestine project.
Given that they are all fairly average NHS doctors, it seems to me highly unlikely that they should be chosen to participate in such a project.
2. Freemasonry
3. Paedophile connections
Gerry's 'lost' credit card (why hide credit card payment records?), DP, Murat, Gerry claiming a paedophile or a paedophile gang had taken Madeleine in the immediate aftermath of so called 'abduction' (he is streetwise but is prone to opening his mouth without thinking things through).

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Post by Guest on 08.09.12 17:20

@Ribisl wrote: [...]
Gerry's 'lost' credit card (why hide credit card payment records?), DP, Murat, Gerry claiming a paedophile or a paedophile gang had taken Madeleine in the immediate aftermath of so called 'abduction' (he is streetwise but is prone to opening his mouth without thinking things through).
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Post by jd on 08.09.12 19:44

According to this article there was not a picture of Maddie taken in church a month prior to the holiday in it. Just 2 pictures from Amsterdam....wonder if he had any photos of the twins in his wallet or just only Maddie

Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.

"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/21/ukcrime

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Post by tigger on 08.09.12 19:59

@jd wrote:According to this article there was not a picture of Maddie taken in church a month prior to the holiday in it. Just 2 pictures from Amsterdam....wonder if he had any photos of the twins in his wallet or just only Maddie

Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.

"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/21/ukcrime

Hmm, and by coincidence, friends from Amsterdam who were visiting the area (who were they visiting in the vicinity of Rothley since they knew the McCanns weren't there?) picked up the wallet which had been sent to the old address in Queenyborough .
Now I'm lost, friends who didn't come to visit them but went to Rothley or Queenyborough, knowing that neither family not McCann or Healy were there and collected a wallet which had been sent to an address two years out of date.
Then - quite logically - they went on to Portugal for their holiday.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of flights from Amsterdam.


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Post by Ribisl on 08.09.12 20:17

@jd wrote:According to this article there was not a picture of Maddie taken in church a month prior to the holiday in it. Just 2 pictures from Amsterdam....wonder if he had any photos of the twins in his wallet or just only Maddie

Mr McCann's brother, John, said: "Gerry had his wallet stolen and there were two pictures of Madeleine taken when they lived in Amsterdam.

"They were taken around two years ago, before the twins were born. The photos meant a lot to Gerry; he had carried them for ages


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/21/ukcrime

What kind of pickpocket would be daft enough to lift a wallet, take out 100 pounds but leave 30 euros, steal a child's photos but none of the credit cards, then plagued by a sudden sense of guilt, decides to wrap it up, goes to the post office to buy a stamp and post it back to the owner! You cannot be serious daft1

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Post by jd on 08.09.12 20:36

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Hmm, and by coincidence, friends from Amsterdam who were visiting the area (who were they visiting in the vicinity of Rothley since they knew the McCanns weren't there?) picked up the wallet which had been sent to the old address in Queenyborough .
Now I'm lost, friends who didn't come to visit them but went to Rothley or Queenyborough, knowing that neither family not McCann or Healy were there and collected a wallet which had been sent to an address two years out of date.
Then - quite logically - they went on to Portugal for their holiday.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of flights from Amsterdam.

When you put the facts into the timeline like this they sound absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable! To me they made their big mistake with this story saying the incident happened at Waterloo. None of the mccanns are from London and made the mistake assuming trains went to Waterloo from Gatwick, probably because it is famous for Eurostar and in South London. Trains go to Victoria! Victoria which is even closer to Whitehall than Waterloo...and is a fast direct express train!

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Post by jd on 08.09.12 20:39

Day 57 - 29/06/2007 - Friday (gerry mccann blogs)

Early rise this morning dropping off and picking up good friends from the airport. One of our friends from Amsterdam, who has been actively campaigning to publicise Madeleines disappearance, dropped in to see us for a couple of hours since he is on a golfing trip in the Algarve.

Our friends brought back my wallet which had been returned, needless to say minus the Sterling, although all my cards and €30 were still in it! It is good to have my driving license back and one or two other important things.


I wonder that as gerry mccann cancelled all of his cards which made him late for the meetings....On the cards return he wouldn't be able to use them as they were cancelled so they would be useless. When cards are cancelled the banks/credit card have to send you a new one. Ive never heard of any bank or credit card company make the same cancelled card active again

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Post by Ribisl on 08.09.12 21:01

@jd wrote:

When you put the facts into the timeline like this they sound absolutely ridiculous and unbelievable! To me they made their big mistake with this story saying the incident happened at Waterloo. None of the mccanns are from London and made the mistake assuming trains went to Waterloo from Gatwick, probably because it is famous for Eurostar and in South London. Trains go to Victoria! Victoria which is even closer to Whitehall than Waterloo...and is a fast direct express train!

jd, you are of course right about Gatwick Express going to Victoria but Waterloo is probably closer to Whitehall (cross over the Westminster Bridge and in 5 minutes you are there). It's possible he took a slow train from Gatwick and changed to the Northern Line somewhere, and got off at Waterloo, maybe by mistake instead of Embankment which would be closest to Whitehall? Isn't it also possible that whoever he was visiting was in a building closer to Waterloo station?

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jd, you are of course right about Gatwick Express going to Victoria but Waterloo is probably closer to Whitehall (cross over the Westminster Bridge and in 5 minutes you are there). It's possible he took a slow train from Gatwick and changed to the Northern Line somewhere, and got off at Waterloo, maybe by mistake instead of Embankment which would be closest to Whitehall? Isn't it also possible that whoever he was visiting was in a building closer to Waterloo station?

No it was Whitehall. Why would anyone get a slow BR train stopping at numerous stations en route, change & wait for another train at Clapham to Waterloo....When you can just catch the fast 25min direct to Victoria (which is advertised all over Gatwick and nothing whatsoever about Waterloo), walk to Whitehall in 5 mins or catch a cab in 2mins. The tube station for Whitehall is Westminster which is 2 stops from Victoria, whereas from Waterloo you'd have to change yet again on the Northern or Bakerloo line unless taking the jubilee which takes 15-20mins. I just do not buy this credit card story in the slightest and they messed up with Waterloo, there is no way he took a train to Waterloo from Gatwick. Their relatives up in Scotland thought Waterloo served Gatwick with their story, in reality it does not work. You would only go to Waterloo if you needed to catch the Eurostar, not to get to Westminster/Whitehall

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Post by Ribisl on 08.09.12 23:54

jd, I don't want to start a pointless argument here but one wouldn't change the train to go from Waterloo to Westminster because it's such a short distance to walk whereas Victoria to Whitehall will take quite a bit more than five minutes on foot. I should have said Embankment is closer than Waterloo, perhaps, but I was then thinking of the general area of Whitehall rather than Foreign & Commonwealth Office which is much closer to Westminster Bridge. I really think it's feasible for someone to catch a slow train from Gatwick (cheaper and only a little slower) and change at Clapham Junction to catch the Northern Line to Waterloo, then walk across the Westminster Bridge to Foreign & Commonwealth Office. In fact, I might even suggest that route myself if someone had asked me how to get to the Foreign Office from Gatwick Airport.

But I agree with you that this whole story about the lost wallet sounds very dodgy from start to finish.

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