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Post by ShuBob on 08.08.12 20:37

I hear Missing People are asking members of the public to contact them in confidence if they have any information regarding Tia's disappearance but don't want to go directly to the police. If someone contacts them with details of Maddie's disappearance, will they run in by Kate first before passing it on to the police?

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Post by pauline on 08.08.12 20:44

@ShuBob wrote:I hear Missing People are asking members of the public to contact them in confidence if they have any information regarding Tia's disappearance but don't want to go directly to the police. If someone contacts them with details of Maddie's disappearance, will they run in by Kate first before passing it on to the police?

Good point Shubob.

But if someone contacts them and the information would be useful to the police what are Missing people supposed to do. Break confidence? They can urge the informant to go to the police, but if they won't they won't. And we know St Kate's attitude to the police - dont answer questions and dont do reconstructions. this just confirms my fears that this organisation, though well intentioned can sometimes do more harm than good.

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Post by ShuBob on 08.08.12 20:58

@pauline wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:I hear Missing People are asking members of the public to contact them in confidence if they have any information regarding Tia's disappearance but don't want to go directly to the police. If someone contacts them with details of Maddie's disappearance, will they run in by Kate first before passing it on to the police?

Good point Shubob.

But if someone contacts them and the information would be useful to the police what are Missing people supposed to do. Break confidence? They can urge the informant to go to the police, but if they won't they won't. And we know St Kate's attitude to the police - dont answer questions and dont do reconstructions. this just confirms my fears that this organisation, though well intentioned can sometimes do more harm than good.

Crimestoppers also appeal for information whilst guaranteeing confidence so there must be a mechanism for getting important information to the police even though the informant is reluctant to contact them themselves. My concern with Missing People is that they may pass information to Kate potentially putting her one step ahead of the police just like it seemed to happen when Gerry became close pals with CEOP's Jim Gamble.

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Post by tuom on 08.08.12 23:35

I have not been able to get on here much over the past week or so, however I do drop by an watch the new posts, on this one I can only say that although 12 seems young to many of us , 12 is very mature in a lot of families .

The first thing I would say is that a 12 year old girl will NOT leave without her mobile phone , no way , teenage kids and their mobiles are joined at the hip, imagine leaving your phone and anyone could look through your messages !!! no way IMO

That I think is the most alarming thing in this case.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 09.08.12 0:12

I know someone turning 14 in a couple of weeks. At 11 and 12 she had a phone but you'd always find it lying around, discarded or charging. She just wasn't bothered with it. In the last year she has taken it around with her much more but it's still not in the 'joined at the hip' category. It may be rare but my example shows there ARE kids who don't care that much for their mobiles at 12. Her phone isn't a smartphone and that probably has something to do with it. If it was (complete with Facebook, games, internet, messaging etc) then I'd agree with you. What's the betting that Tia's phone is a bog-standard non-smart-phone?

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Post by One on 09.08.12 6:02

I hope you're right, ProfessorPplum however I think it's a worry. I've never known my kids to be without one especially if going out. But it's the travel card that worries me. Why would she choose to pay again for fares? Something's not right and I hope she's ok. Just been reading the grandmother hadn't seen her for 24 hours.

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Post by Spaniel on 09.08.12 7:32

@One wrote:I hope you're right, ProfessorPplum however I think it's a worry. I've never known my kids to be without one especially if going out. But it's the travel card that worries me. Why would she choose to pay again for fares? Something's not right and I hope she's ok. Just been reading the grandmother hadn't seen her for 24 hours.
I Googled earlier regarding a 14 year old found in woods. I was saddened by how many youngsters end their lives this way. When they went missing, all parents said it was out of character. How tragic that the children thought whatever was bothering them couldn't be sorted. Everything is magnified at that age.

I'm not suggesting the same in this case and hope Tia is found safe and well. I don't see this related to the Karen Matthews case though, as there seems to be no hint of a fund .

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Post by Gillyspot on 09.08.12 7:58

I sincerely hope that Tia is found safe & well. Though I doubt it sadly sad .

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Post by Guest on 09.08.12 8:54

The grandmother is quoted somewhere as saying that Tia never went anywhere without her phone and it was difficult to get her off it. So yes I'd say there is cause for concern that she went out without it.

I agree with Candyfloss that we shouldn't be jumping to conclusions yet about anyone in her family.

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Post by tigger on 09.08.12 9:16

@ShuBob wrote:I hear Missing People are asking members of the public to contact them in confidence if they have any information regarding Tia's disappearance but don't want to go directly to the police. If someone contacts them with details of Maddie's disappearance, will they run in by Kate first before passing it on to the police?

Wait a minute! Petermac will know this, but don't the police get a lot of anonymous tips? There's no need for an organisation one can contact 'in confidence'. Besides, there is no guarantee that one of the volunteers or employees will keep silent, they' haven't taken an oath of any kind.


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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.08.12 10:23

Tia search: Confrontations, as groups armed with weapons conduct unauthorised searches of people's garages:

http://www.croydonguardian.co.uk/news/9864491.Tensions_boil_over_in_New_Addington_during_unofficial_Tia_Sharp_searches/

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Post by Spaniel on 09.08.12 10:56

@tigger wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:I hear Missing People are asking members of the public to contact them in confidence if they have any information regarding Tia's disappearance but don't want to go directly to the police. If someone contacts them with details of Maddie's disappearance, will they run in by Kate first before passing it on to the police?

Wait a minute! Petermac will know this, but don't the police get a lot of anonymous tips? There's no need for an organisation one can contact 'in confidence'. Besides, there is no guarantee that one of the volunteers or employees will keep silent, they' haven't taken an oath of any kind.

Your post prompted me to look at Crime Stoppers site, hadn't realised they were a charity too. On the giving page they have all statistics relating to their success.

On the Missing People site I can find no such thing, it must be well hidden as I've looked before. I'm sure more people would donate if they made it clear exactly what they do and their rate of success. There are two case histories with no mention of MP involvement, one where they are mentioned but fails to state how they helped and a link to a blog where the poor woman and her family have made mammoth efforts to find her husband in Greece. Still no mention of Missing People though.

I'm sure there's nothing more to it than poor marketing, as surely there are lots of uplifting success stories to tell.

This lady is a good example of using funds to search. Unfortunately, so far unsuccessfully.

http://www.themissingblog.com/

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Post by sharonl on 09.08.12 11:43

Tia: Police Liaise With Fake Kidnap Squad


http://news.sky.com/story/970434/tia-police-liaise-with-fake-kidnap-squad



Police hunting for Tia Sharp are liaising with officers who investigated the fake kidnap of Shannon Matthews as the search of bins outside Tia's grandmother's house continues.

Tia, 12, has not been seen since last Friday when she left her grandmother Christine Sharp's home in south London.

Sky's crime correspondent Martin Brunt said officers began searching through bins outside the terraced property this morning, looking for clues or evidence of what happened to Tia.

Police had put a hold on rubbish collections in the area on Monday, but were now checking through hundreds of bins as the investigation entered a new search phase.

Stuart Hazell was interviewed by police

Two dozen officers are carrying out "minute searches" of the rubbish before it is loaded on to refuse trucks by workers from Croydon Council, Brunt added.

Yesterday, police interviewed her grandmother's boyfriend, Stuart Hazell, as a key witness. It is thought he was the last person to see the schoolgirl.

The 37-year-old was not arrested, and returned two hours later to his partner's home in New Addington, Croydon.

Dozens of officers have joined the hunt for the missing girl, and have searched woodland at the bottom of the estate, some 400 yards from the terraced house.

The local community has rallied to help search for Tia

Metropolitan Police area commander Neil Basu stressed the investigation remained a missing persons inquiry with no suspects, adding: "I am looking to find Tia safe and well."

He said some officers, who had been helping staff the Olympics, were now part of the search team, which involves 40 detectives and 40 specialist search officers.

"The family want Tia home, they miss her dreadfully," Mr Basu said.

Tia seemingly vanished without a trace after telling relatives she was going to the Whitgift shopping centre in Croydon.

Police revealed yesterday that a member of the public had reported seeing the schoolgirl leaving Mrs Sharp's home at midday on Friday.

The witness told detectives Tia was alone when she left the house, but it was unclear where she was going.

An earlier trawl through hours of CCTV footage found no trace of Tia, who has never gone missing before.

Messages left at a bus stop in south London

Hundreds of posters appealing for information have been distributed around New Addington, and Tia's face looks out from most local shops and noticeboards.

Timeline of key events:

:: Friday August 3

Tia Sharp is seen leaving her grandmother Christine Sharp's home in New Addington, south east London, at around midday.

The 12-year-old tells relatives she is going to the Whitgift Centre in Croydon town centre.

:: Monday August 6

Tia's family make an emotional plea for her to return home as police find no trace of her on CCTV footage.

:: Tuesday August 7

A CCTV image of Tia outside the local Co-op is released as her grandmother said she hoped it would jog someone's memory.

Police begin searching local woods, scouring the undergrowth with long sticks.

The Sun newspaper offers a £25,000 reward for the safe return of Tia as her stepfather David Niles begs: "Just find my little girl."

:: Wednesday August 8

A police dog unit search Tia's grandmother's house, where it is believed she was last seen.

Metropolitan Police area commander Neil Basu announces that officers have been moved from Olympic duties to form part of an 80-strong team to find Tia.

He says Scotland Yard has received more than 300 calls and 60 reported sightings of Tia.

Mrs Sharp's partner, Stuart Hazell, 37 - believed to be the last person who saw Tia - is questioned by police as a key witness.

:: Thursday August 9

Police search bins outside the home.

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Post by Spaniel on 09.08.12 11:57

Hope you're proved right sharonl, at least she'd be found.

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Post by russiandoll on 09.08.12 12:52

What a surprise... the group of harpies over the way are having a good laugh at the so -called Martin Grimes Circus with the dog act involving yapping , badly behaved Eddie, who was pictured walking ahead of Mr Grimes rather than at heel. They then contrast a well- behaved German Shepherd dog seen on t.v working with its handler in London on the Tia Sharp case. This dog is walking to heel on a lead.
Oh what is this [ wish I could post the photo but will try the link instead as photo not posting]....a few more German Shepherd dogs on the Tia case. all walking on leads with their handlers and only one is walking to heel. The others are not walking to heel, one on fact pulling the handler along. Reminds me of Martin Grime approaching 5a, I think the handlers in London with the dogs must be doing what Mr Grime was doing, getting his dog to switch from walking to working mode, hence allowing the dog to lead.
I wish the bunch over the way would brush up on dog handling and dog behaviour in these circumstances before making such silly comments.
p.s.If I can find the video, I will stand corrected about their ridiculing one of Grimes' dogs paying attention to a bin during a search. Unless the dog gave its normal freeze/silent or bark alert, it was not doing anything other than paying attention to a bin.


http://youtu.be/CFaYT6jBzsc 35-45 seconds.
Dog goes to Tia's grandmother's house. Note the handler allowing the dog to walk well in front as the house is approached; the dog also enters before the handler.... in most circumstances an owner enters and leaves a house in front of the dog, to show the owner is dominant. Not in these circumstances.

http://youtu.be/cL7e10hZOxg
more of the dogs, look between 1.20 and 1.35. in front, well in front, of the handlers.

sorry if off topic, but criticism based on ignorance is very annoying.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 09.08.12 13:08

@russiandoll wrote: What a surprise... the group of harpies over the way are having a good laugh at the so -called Martin Grimes Circus with the dog act involving yapping , badly behaved Eddie, who was pictured walking ahead of Mr Grimes rather than at heel. They then contrast a well- behaved German Shepherd dog seen on t.v working with its handler in London on the Tia Sharp case. This dog is walking to heel on a lead.
Oh what is this [ wish I could post the photo but will try the link instead as photo not posting]....a few more German Shepherd dogs on the Tia case. all walking on leads with their handlers and only one is walking to heel. The others are not walking to heel, one on fact pulling the handler along. Reminds me of Martin Grime approaching 5a, I think the handlers in London with the dogs must be doing what Mr Grime was doing, getting his dog to switch from walking to working mode, hence allowing the dog to lead.
I wish the bunch over the way would brush up on dog handling and dog behaviour in these circumstances before making such silly comments.
The script is in Dr Kate McCann's book: 'madeleine'. The script says: "Martin Grime was biased and 'made' his dogs bark". The puppets in the place you refer to are doomed to recycle their rubbish to an audience of no more than 25 a day, nearly all themselves anyway. It's a bit like parrots really. Dr Kate McCann says: 'Martin-Grime-is-in-comp-e-tent-and-bi-ased', and, parrot-like, they just repeat this scurilous and defamataory garbage. Plus, like parasites, there is nothing more they can do but just feed off successful forums like this one! What a situation to find oneself in!

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Post by ShuBob on 09.08.12 13:10

Very slightly O/T but is there any evidence that wearing t-shirts with pictures/details of a missing person printed on it assists the search? Posters and even milk cartons, I can understand but t-shirts?

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Post by tigger on 09.08.12 13:13

RD you should not go there! It's bad for your mental health and will cost you a fortune in soap and hot water.

These are ordinary search dogs imo. Nothing to do with Eddie and Keela. As you say the dogs aren't supposed to walk to heel, fat lot of good that would do. It's quite clear they precede the handler and his colleague into the house.

Bu the way, the psychics are taking a long time to arrive - they were in PdL as early as the 4th day, should someone call Amanda Hart?

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Post by ShuBob on 09.08.12 13:44

According to ITV lunchtime news a few minutes ago, the Maddie McCann review cops at Scotland Yard as well as the Shannon Matthews fake kidnap cops have been consulted in the ongoing search for Tia Sharp. I can't imagine the McCnns being happy with the links being (in)directly made.

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Post by Newintown on 09.08.12 13:50

I've just been watching the ITV 1.30 p.m. news about the search for Tia. The news reporter at the scene started to say that the police have been speaking to other forces who have worked on high profile similar cases, and I thought to myself "please, please, don't mention the bl**dy McCanns", then low and behold she said "the police forces who have worked on the Karen Matthews case and the review of the McCann's case have been liaising with the police officers searching for Tia".

Oh dear, oh dear, Karen Matthews and the McCanns mentioned together in one sentence, I don't think Gerry is going to like that very much.

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Post by Newintown on 09.08.12 13:55

@ShuBob wrote:According to ITV lunchtime news a few minutes ago, the Maddie McCann review cops at Scotland Yard as well as the Shannon Matthews fake kidnap cops have been consulted in the ongoing search for Tia Sharp. I can't imagine the McCnns being happy with the links being (in)directly made.

Hi Shubob

Great minds think alike! I was typing my post at the same time you sent yours.

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Post by ShuBob on 09.08.12 14:02

@Newintown wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:According to ITV lunchtime news a few minutes ago, the Maddie McCann review cops at Scotland Yard as well as the Shannon Matthews fake kidnap cops have been consulted in the ongoing search for Tia Sharp. I can't imagine the McCnns being happy with the links being (in)directly made.

Hi Shubob

Great minds think alike! I was typing my post at the same time you sent yours.


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Post by sharonl on 09.08.12 14:28

Missing girl Tia Sharp: Detectives are examining previous cases including Shannon Matthews and Madeleine McCann



Detectives consult Shannon Matthews's fake kidnap team

Uncle says 'We stand united'













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Detectives searching for vanished schoolgirl Tia Sharp are examining similar cases of missing children including the fake kidnapping of Shannon Matthews, it was revealed today.



They are searching for similarities in other cases where children have vanished without trace for no apparent reason.

Tia, 12, who has never run away before, disappeared from her grandmother’s house in New Addington last Friday after telling relatives she was going shopping at the Whitgift Centre a few miles away in Croydon.

Scotland Yard today denied officers from West Yorkshire police, which investigated the Matthews case, were involved in the search.

It was also being reported this afternoon that they will be talking to officers involved in the Madeleine McCann case.

However, sources said detectives were consulting the National Policing Improvement Agency about other cases of children who have disappeared.

He said : “Cases like this are extremely unusual and we are looking for similarities to other cases. We have not ruled out anything in this inquiry but it is wrong to say that we are focusing on one line of inquiry.”

Nine-year-old Shannon Matthews was kidnapped by her mother and her partner’s uncle in February 2008.

Karen Matthews and her accomplice Michael Donovan, from Dewsbury, were convicted in December 2008 of her kidnap, which they committed in a plan to claim £50,000 in reward money. They were both sentenced to eight years in jail but have since been released.

Tia is thought to have been last seen at the house where her grandmother Christine Sharp, 46, lives with partner Stuart Hazell, 37, at The Lindens in New Addington.

Mr Hazell, who has a conviction for drug dealing and is the last known person to see Tia, was questioned by police as a witness for more than two hours yesterday before returning home.

Today Tia’s biological father Steven Carter said : “There’s been malicious messages posted on Facebook. They are having a dig at Tia’s mum’s side of the family.

“Tia’s mum is very distressed. The focus seems to be going away from Tia but people should spend time posting pictures of her not making negative comments.”

David Sharp, uncle on the mum’s side, younger brother, denied claims there is a rift in the family.

“We’ve all known each other for years and there’s never been any problem. We stand united.”

Police have searched Tia’s grandmother’s bins and others around the estate, using sticks to scour through rubbish.

More than 80 officers have joined the hunt for Tia, while members of the local community have staged their own searches in the area where she vanished. Scotland Yard has received more than 300 calls and 60 reported sightings of Tia, including a member of the public who came forward saying they saw her leaving her grandmother’s house at about noon on Friday.

Metropolitan Police area commander Neil Basu said police could not be “absolutely sure” who the last person to see Tia on the estate was. He stressed the investigation remains a missing persons inquiry, with no suspects, adding: “I am looking to find Tia safe and well.”

Meanwhile vigilante groups carrying out their own searches for missing schoolgirl Tia Sharp were today told they could be destroying crucial evidence.

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Post by Guest on 09.08.12 14:45

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@russiandoll wrote: What a surprise... the group of harpies over the way are having a good laugh at the so -called Martin Grimes Circus with the dog act involving yapping , badly behaved Eddie, who was pictured walking ahead of Mr Grimes rather than at heel. They then contrast a well- behaved German Shepherd dog seen on t.v working with its handler in London on the Tia Sharp case. This dog is walking to heel on a lead.
Oh what is this [ wish I could post the photo but will try the link instead as photo not posting]....a few more German Shepherd dogs on the Tia case. all walking on leads with their handlers and only one is walking to heel. The others are not walking to heel, one on fact pulling the handler along. Reminds me of Martin Grime approaching 5a, I think the handlers in London with the dogs must be doing what Mr Grime was doing, getting his dog to switch from walking to working mode, hence allowing the dog to lead.
I wish the bunch over the way would brush up on dog handling and dog behaviour in these circumstances before making such silly comments.
The script is in Dr Kate McCann's book: 'madeleine'. The script says: "Martin Grime was biased and 'made' his dogs bark". The puppets in the place you refer to are doomed to recycle their rubbish to an audience of no more than 25 a day, nearly all themselves anyway. It's a bit like parrots really. Dr Kate McCann says: 'Martin-Grime-is-in-comp-e-tent-and-bi-ased', and, parrot-like, they just repeat this scurilous and defamataory garbage. Plus, like parasites, there is nothing more they can do but just feed off successful forums like this one! What a situation to find oneself in!
Sorry to go off topic but this Martin Grime nonsense amazes me. I bought Kate's book but couldn't finish it as I found it so irritating, so I never reached the bit where Kate accused Martin Grime of - what? - professional incompetence or trying to frame her?
Why on earth would it benefit Martin Grime to frame her and her husband - especially when the police already had Murat in the frame? I can see far more reason for corrupt police and those employed by them being motivated to find corroborating evidence against the arguido, but not against two additional people who were not arguidos. Like many things Kate says, it just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Grime does this for a living: is he framing everyone he gives evidence against, or just her and Gerry, and if so why?
Poor Kate and Gerry - victimised by Grime, the police, the Smith family, the Gaspars - but fortunately believed by lots of rich and influential people who weren't there, didn't know them from Adam before Maddie disappeared yet inexplicably just KNOW that they're telling the truth. It's a funny old world, eh?
Back on topic: I'm glad to see the link between Shannon Matthews and Madeleine being made. It's already there in the minds of many of the public anyway. You only have to read the newspaper comments on relevant articles before the thought police get busy.

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Will it all come out in the wash?

Post by Guest on 09.08.12 14:52

@ShuBob wrote:Very slightly O/T but is there any evidence that wearing t-shirts with pictures/details of a missing person printed on it assists the search? Posters and even milk cartons, I can understand but t-shirts?

I have previously raised the question of when it became the norm for shirts to be worn in these circumstances and it does seem that the McCanns could well have been the first. Others have followed suit (or shirt) but I'm pretty sure that nobody else has ever thought to sell the shirts rather than give them away.

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