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Post  Nina on Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:19 am

jd wrote:I'd like to ask the mccanns why was Maddie having nosebleeds on the floor 'behind' the sofa??

Of sufficient severity that the blood seeped between the grouting and under the tiles.

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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  tigger on Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:43 am

http://ricardopaivakatesfingtosser.blogspot.com.es/2012/05/mccann-ricardo-paivo-mccanns-curious.html

You'll have to read on a bit to see where the suggestion of a nosebleed first appears - v. interestingin view of the fact that Gerry could not say whether she had a nosebleed as it depended on what would appear in the press....

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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  jd on Tue Jul 31, 2012 12:58 pm

Nina wrote:
jd wrote:I'd like to ask the mccanns why was Maddie having nosebleeds on the floor 'behind' the sofa??

Of sufficient severity that the blood seeped between the grouting and under the tiles.


Which falls within the laws of physics of a head bump directly onto the floor tiles

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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  jd on Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:34 pm

tigger wrote:http://ricardopaivakatesfingtosser.blogspot.com.es/2012/05/mccann-ricardo-paivo-mccanns-curious.html

You'll have to read on a bit to see where the suggestion of a nosebleed first appears - v. interestingin view of the fact that Gerry could not say whether she had a nosebleed as it depended on what would appear in the press....


Reading the articles and links goes into the drugs sedation of Maddie and the twins. Two things:

1. If the abductor drugged them then he would have had to have done his deed & for the drugs to take effect within a 5/10 minutes time frame. From 'after' gerry mccann leaving the apartment and meeting Jez Wilkins outside on his 9.05 check. Absolutely preposterous of any time for the drugs to take any sort of effect in such a short space of time. Ridiculous

2. Nobody seems to mention Maddie or twins being sedated in their initial statements. Diane Webster first mentions it in her RI a year later in April 2008!! (after the brian kennedy meeting). Given the opportunity, gerry mccann says nothing about it in his police statement on May 4th 2007...."He adds that his daughter is not suffering from any illness or take any medication."....gerry mccann obviously would have known about it then when giving this statement

On his May 10th statement gerry mccann says "He followed the normal route up to the rear door, which being open he only had to move [slide] it, that being the way in which he entered [was entering] the lounge, he noted that the children's bedroom door was not ajar as he had left it but half-way open, which he thought strange, having then put together the thought of MADELEINE having got up to go to sleep in his bedroom so as to avoid the noise produced [created] by her siblings. ".....She can't have been sedated then gerry! You are a doctor, why did not say anything at the time and not until months later about such a vital piece of information of your children being drugged by an abductor??....only suddenly remember this when you are under the cloud of suspicion yourself is when you remember!!







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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  jd on Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:54 pm

Reading the Paynes & Webster original statements, they too do not mention the twins being sedated. Its interesting because a year later in April 2008 they are full of it when the twins were brought back to their apartment, but at the time in May 2007 not a mention about the abductor giving them drugs

Diane Webster 11th May 2007 "Regarding the bedroom previously occupied by Madeleine, she does not remember if the lights were lit, but knows that when she entered the twins were still sleeping in their beds, which makes her think that maybe those lights were switched off. She added that, for her to see the twins and their cradles, and the bed of MADELEINE, the darkness would not be complete, but that the room had some coming from the light of the lounge.".....So its the dark room which makes her think they were asleep, not being drugged by an abductor

Fiona Payne 4th May 2007 "She knew Madeleine well and describes her as very intelligent and she would not go with stranger without screaming or protesting unless she was very tired or sleeping."...Again the opportunity is right there to say something but she says nothing


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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  tigger on Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:04 pm

jd wrote:Reading the Paynes & Webster original statements, they too do not mention the twins being sedated. Its interesting because a year later in April 2008 they are full of it when the twins were brought back to their apartment, but at the time in May 2007 not a mention about the abductor giving them drugs

Diane Webster 11th May 2007 "Regarding the bedroom previously occupied by Madeleine, she does not remember if the lights were lit, but knows that when she entered the twins were still sleeping in their beds, which makes her think that maybe those lights were switched off. She added that, for her to see the twins and their cradles, and the bed of MADELEINE, the darkness would not be complete, but that the room had some coming from the light of the lounge.".....So its the dark room which makes her think they were asleep, not being drugged by an abductor

Fiona Payne 4th May 2007 "She knew Madeleine well and describes her as very intelligent and she would not go with stranger without screaming or protesting unless she was very tired or sleeping."...Again the opportunity is right there to say something but she says nothing



If only we had the minutes of the November 07 strategy meeting in Rothley!

Point 4 on the agenda: the sedation of all three children. ........... all agreed
Point 7 on the agenda: suspicions of Murat to be dropped slowly and in stages - for the RI sudden memory loss might work...
Point 10 ..... last independent sighting of all three children by our stalwart volunteer DP...




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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  jd on Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:17 pm

tigger wrote:

If only we had the minutes of the November 07 strategy meeting in Rothley!

Point 4 on the agenda: the sedation of all three children. ........... all agreed
Point 7 on the agenda: suspicions of Murat to be dropped slowly and in stages - for the RI sudden memory loss might work...
Point 10 ..... last independent sighting of all three children by our stalwart volunteer DP...


Its all too very obvious isn't it!!

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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  Nina on Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:32 pm

jd wrote:
tigger wrote:

If only we had the minutes of the November 07 strategy meeting in Rothley!

Point 4 on the agenda: the sedation of all three children. ........... all agreed
Point 7 on the agenda: suspicions of Murat to be dropped slowly and in stages - for the RI sudden memory loss might work...
Point 10 ..... last independent sighting of all three children by our stalwart volunteer DP...


Its all too very obvious isn't it!!


Tigger you have me in spit coffee sometimes, but in your mirth there could be truth as I cannot for one moment imagine that they all traveled to the meeting in the Rothley Hotel, in a private room I am sure I read and there not been an agenda. I bet Gerry would have his marker pen out with the flip chart. There would be a warm up of team building proportions, and hand outs at the end.

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Re: Second reading of the Book

Post  Newintown on Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:41 pm

jd wrote:Reading the Paynes & Webster original statements, they too do not mention the twins being sedated. Its interesting because a year later in April 2008 they are full of it when the twins were brought back to their apartment, but at the time in May 2007 not a mention about the abductor giving them drugs

Diane Webster 11th May 2007 "Regarding the bedroom previously occupied by Madeleine, she does not remember if the lights were lit, but knows that when she entered the twins were still sleeping in their beds, which makes her think that maybe those lights were switched off. She added that, for her to see the twins and their cradles, and the bed of MADELEINE, the darkness would not be complete, but that the room had some coming from the light of the lounge.".....So its the dark room which makes her think they were asleep, not being drugged by an abductor

Fiona Payne 4th May 2007 "She knew Madeleine well and describes her as very intelligent and she would not go with stranger without screaming or protesting unless she was very tired or sleeping."...Again the opportunity is right there to say something but she says nothing



"The twins were still sleeping in their beds"

I've looked at the photos of the bedroom where the twins and Madeleine slept many times but I only noticed the other day, when someone posted the photo again (can't remember which thread it was now) but the cot on the right of the room as you look through the door has a thick wooden board on the bottom of it, like a headboard but at the bottom of the cot, completely filled in, with a cloth thrown over it, so how could anyone see a toddler in the cot from the door without actually having to walk into the room and physically looking into the cot. The cot on the left has a netting surround so you can see right through it.

I don't remember this being mentioned on the forum in the past and it may not be of any consequence but thought I would see if anyone else has noticed it.


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