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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by jd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:16 pm

@Olive_Boyle wrote:
@tigger wrote:Re Amaral's theory.
I think he had to go with what would stand up in a court of law. He may have had an idea that something else was going on, but he was being sabotaged at every turn and the simplest solution with the strongest evidence would be preferable to a grand unifying theory imo.

In his place, whatever I suspected - I'd go for the same, I'd go for what would stick and get rid of an apparently insurmountable problem. Because it was clear that big interests were at stake, way beyond the reach of a simple policeman.

I disagree.

Fully completely.

Why? Makes logical sense to me in GA's position

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by justme3 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:28 pm

I came across this in relation to a Russel James O'brian:
Russel J Obrien



Texas Marriage Collection, 1814-1909 and 1966-2002

I don't have access to the actual document, but could this be Jane Tanner's partner, and explain why they aren't married?

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by jd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:35 pm

@justme3 wrote:I came across this in relation to a Russel James O'brian:
Russel J Obrien



Texas Marriage Collection, 1814-1909 and 1966-2002

I don't have access to the actual document, but could this be Jane Tanner's partner, and explain why they aren't married?

You have to join up with monthly subscription to access the information justme3. What does it say?

I am totally confused with the status of this relationship. They are always known as partners, but ROB says in his RI that JT was his wife, yet Ive never seen anything to suggest a wedding or marriage

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Badboys on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:36 pm

@justme3 wrote:I came across this in relation to a Russel James O'brian:
Russel J Obrien



Texas Marriage Collection, 1814-1909 and 1966-2002

I don't have access to the actual document, but could this be Jane Tanner's partner, and explain why they aren't married?

Russell j obrien was born in the wirrall,mether maiden name ;lowe

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by jd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:39 pm

[quote="Badboys"]
@justme3 wrote:
Russell j obrien was born in the wirrall,mether maiden name ;lowe

The Wirrall is Liverpool

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by uppatoffee on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:40 pm

I'm sure it's not the same Russell O'Brien, but here are the details.

Name: Russel J Obrien
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1987
Birth Year: abt 1970
Age: 17
Spouse: Patricia L Ebarb
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1968
Spouse Age: 19
Marriage county: Montgomery
Marriage State: Texas
Source: Texas Marriage Index, 1966-2002

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by justme3 on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:41 pm

@Badboys wrote:
@justme3 wrote:I came across this in relation to a Russel James O'brian:
Russel J Obrien



Texas Marriage Collection, 1814-1909 and 1966-2002

I don't have access to the actual document, but could this be Jane Tanner's partner, and explain why they aren't married?

Russell j obrien was born in the wirrall,mether maiden name ;lowe

Yes, I am aware that he was born in the Wirrall, and of his mother's maiden name, but the information regarding the Texas Marrriage link was suggested by Ancestry as being related to Russel James Obrien.

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by jd on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:57 pm

@uppatoffee wrote:I'm sure it's not the same Russell O'Brien, but here are the details.

Name: Russel J Obrien
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1987
Birth Year: abt 1970
Age: 17
Spouse: Patricia L Ebarb
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1968
Spouse Age: 19
Marriage county: Montgomery
Marriage State: Texas
Source: Texas Marriage Index, 1966-2002

Its possible. His full name is Russell James O'Brien. He and JT were both aged 36 in 2007, so born in 1970/71

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Olive_Boyle on Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:58 pm

GA no doubt knows more detail about the case than anyone here. I'm sure we'd all agree on that.

I've read his book. I think his theory is what he believes happened and fits with the evidence that he has seen,
(ie that she died on 3 May of an accident and the parents covered it up).

He has to have seen eivdence of this otherwise why would he state that in his book?

He must have looked at other theories and ruled them out.

When he wrote the book he had already retired so didn't need to just go along with what he thought would stand up in court. The book was for him to state the facts as he knew them. It didn't matter what anyone thought about him or his theories by then.

Can people not just take his word for it?

People are projecting their views onto him to fit their own. How do they know what he is thinking and what he knows?

Tigger comment is putting words into his mouth and turning "Amaral's theory" into "Tigger's theory".

I think people questioning the date of death in particular are, yet again, questioning the competence of the PJ.


(This was in reply to JD's question of why above)

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Lady-Heather on Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:06 am

Whilst I agree with some of the above, it does not explain the creche or phone records (both of which have been explored in detail on this forum). Records that suggest that something was 'afoot' before May 3rd.

Unless, of course, those records (that suggest some dishonesty on behalf of someone), have nothing to do with Madeleine or her disappearance...

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by david_uk on Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:28 am

People need to start separating the two parts. 1. What happened to Madeleine 2. Why the truth has been covered up with outside assistance

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by russiandoll on Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:59 am


I do not think a date of birth needs to be the same for the children to be twins. There was a story in UK recent days that years, 6 I think, after the birth of triplets by IVF , 2 babies from the same stored material have just been born. They seem like twins, but they are in fact 2 of quintuplets according to the consultant who had been part of the couple's IVF treatment.

I am not sure what to make of the Ella OB business other than I am of the opinion that it was this child carried at the time of Smith sighting by GM. This being the reason for JT and ROB up and down from the table around the crucial time.

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Badboys on Sun Jul 22, 2012 10:07 am

@jd wrote:
@uppatoffee wrote:I'm sure it's not the same Russell O'Brien, but here are the details.

Name: Russel J Obrien
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1987
Birth Year: abt 1970
Age: 17
Spouse: Patricia L Ebarb
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Birth Year: abt 1968
Spouse Age: 19
Marriage county: Montgomery
Marriage State: Texas
Source: Texas Marriage Index, 1966-2002

Its possible. His full name is Russell James O'Brien. He and JT were both aged 36 in 2007, so born in 1970/71

I LOOKED ON GENES REUNITED WEBSITE AND IT COME UP WITH RUSSELL JAMES OBRIEN 1970,DISTRICT ;WIRRALL.COUNTY;CHESHIRE

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by justme3 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:00 pm

just to clarify the Russell James O'brien birth, and whether there's any connection to the Russel James O'brien, married in Texas in 1987. On whether Russell James Obrien, and Russel James O'brien are one and the same, I have no idea. It was Ancestry who suggested that the two MAY be the same person. I am sure that most people on this forum are aware that ROB, partner of Jane Tanner, was born in 1970, and his birth was registered in the Wirrel, in that year.

On the Texas marriage, when Russel James O'brien married Patricia L ? in 1987 he was 17 and she was 19. For all the budding and experienced slueths out there, this may be something you'd like to get your teeth into.

It's also worth keeping in mind, that when ROB was interviewed about the disappearance of Madeleine, he repeatedly said "my wife" when referring to JT.

Just to add, that there's lots of info on the Texas marriage, on the internet, but they all say very much the same thing. However, I haven't gone in deep, with this research.

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Guest on Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:33 pm

I doubt very much that there's any connection. O'Brien is a common Irish name and there are many people in America of Irish origins. The date of birth of the Tapas 9 member is 26th November 1970 and he qualified as a doctor in 1994, having studied at Leicester University. Assuming that he was at school or college until he was 18, he would have left there in July 1989 - hardly likely that he was getting married in Texas in 1987! As of April that year, he was 16 not 17.

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Badboys on Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:45 pm

A person born in the wirrall is not very likely to be same person born in texas.(he would be in overseas)

Also when i did russell obrien on genes reunited site,10 years either side of 1970,it come with up almost 260,if i remember correctly,i believe it had several russell james obrien/russell j obrien,on the ancestory website,did you select for country etc,only a lot of these genealogy sites seem to do usa first if you select country.

There are lots of people name eg david anthony payne(two of those) also another madeleine mccann with mother maiden similiar(healey/healy),coincidences do happen.

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by littlepixie on Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:44 pm

O/T But I was just browsing for a cheap holiday in PDL and came across this on the icelolly.com



Oasis Beach

Oasis Beach


Praia Da Luz, Portugal



The Oasis beach is a long standing popular property on the UK market
and has been run by Mr Gaspar and his family for over ten years now,
offering modern studios and one bedroom apartments. The property is in a
fantastic location close to the beach and resort centre, these modern
and well-maintained apartments are popular with families, couples and
singles alike, who enjoy the good location, quality accommodation and
facilities.

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Re: Bizarre comment from someone in the pub

Post by Guest on Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:24 pm

For once this seems to be a genuine coincidence as Gaspar is a common name in Spain, Portugal and various other European countries!

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