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Can burst nappies really cause such appalling burns and injuries?

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Can burst nappies really cause such appalling burns and injuries?

Post by bristow on 18.07.12 1:48

I was shocked to read this article in the Mail yesterday about a child so badly burned by a supermarket brand nappy when it burst.

I have never heard of such a thing happening, have a look at the horrific burns, seems unbelievable, if this is true then I would have thought that the supermarket involved (apparently Asda) would recall the nappies and make a public announcment not to use them?
It all sounds highly suss to me I'm afraid, I'm not saying that someone is guilty but I just don't know what to think.


Mother, 25, reunited with two children EIGHT MONTHS after they were
taken into care when a burst nappy horribly scalded young daughter's legs



  • Mother says her children are still affected by our forced separation last year
  • She said doctors told her they were worried of missing another 'Baby P' caseBy

A mother claims her children were
taken away from her for eight months after nappy burns on her toddler
daughter’s legs were mistaken for deliberate scalding.

Natalie
Tung, 25, took her three-year-old Adelle to hospital after the
youngster awoke one morning with a burst nappy that had leaked the
water-absorbing crystals onto her legs.

However,
after medics inspected the wounds Natalie was arrested on suspicion of
abusing the youngster by scalding her with hot water.




Reunited: Natalie Tung with her children Daniel and Adelle who were taken into care for eight months

She was questioned before she
was released on bail and banned from having any contact with Adelle or
her son Daniel, six, who were put into care.

Natalie
launched a legal battle to prove the medics’ claims were wrong and
after an eight-month fight an independent medical expert finally
confirmed Adelle’s injuries were due to a chemical burn from her nappy.

The family have now been reunited and are trying to put the ordeal behind them.

Natalie
said doctors at Alder Hey Children’s Hospital, Liverpool, had told her
they had to call police - to prevent another 'Baby P' style scandal.




Burns on Adelle's legs: Natalie was arrested at the hospital on suspicion of deliberately scalding her daughter

Natalie said: 'Those eight months without my children were the worst in my whole life. I couldn’t stop thinking about them, but I was not even allowed to hear their voices on the other end of the phone.

'I was a complete mess, but the thought of one day having my beautiful children back spurred me on to fight for them.

'The whole experience has been horrific for the whole family. I’m still so upset and the hospital and social services have not apologised.'

She
added: 'I cannot believe they thought I would hurt my little Adelle on
purpose. It was heartbreaking that they could think that of me. They said they were trying to protect Adelle and did not want another Baby P case.'

The
full-time mother, from Liverpool, Merseyside, first noticed Adelle had a
nasty rash on her legs and thighs on May 25 last year after the
youngster had been using a slide in the back garden.

The
next morning Adelle woke up with a nappy which was so full it had
burst, spilling the chemical crystals from inside onto her skin.

Natalie
treated the area with Sudacrem but when the sores failed to heal she
took the youngster to Alder Hey Children’s Hospital on May 27 where
doctors examined the burns.

But
staff suspected Adelle had suffered a non-accidental injury and just
three hours after they arrived Natalie and her partner Brendan Vevine,
23, were arrested.



Adelle’s biological father, 29, was also arrested the next day.
Natalie protested her innocence, claiming she had changed from Pampers nappies
to a supermarket own brand of nappies that had been prone to leaking,
and the nappy must have caused the painful burns in the night.

Social
services were called in and terrified Natalie was banned from seeing
her children for 17 days as part of her bail conditions.
Her
bail conditions were later altered to allow her just two one-hour
visits each week while the children were being cared for nearby by their
paternal grandmother.





Natalie said she was told doctors were fearful of missing another case 'like Baby P'

During the separation ordeal
Natalie was eight weeks pregnant with Kaiden, now six-months, and was
warned she would need to attend a child protection conference in order
to keep him.

But
defiant Natalie challenged the decision and the case came before
Liverpool County Court, where Catherine Raraty, an Associate Specialist
in Burns & Plastic Surgery at Alder Hay, said she believed the
injury was 'most probably a scald'.

She
said: 'I disagree that the most likely cause of this injury was
chemical and I am of the opinion that the pattern which most likely fits
is one of a scald in the standing position although I do not discount
the possibility of a scald whilst lying prone.'

Natalie
later secured a review of the causes of Adelle’s injury and an
independent medical expert, retired forensic burns consultant Colin
Rayner, former Clinical Director for the Burns and Plastic Surgery
Service in the West Midlands Region, confirmed the injury was a chemical
burn due to an exploding nappy.




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Fearful: Natalie says she now panics every time she takes her children for medical check-ups

In conclusion to his report, he said:
'The injury to Adelle consists of a chemical burn type of injury
incurred when she was in prolonged contact on a flat surface with a
relatively weak chemical and any such reaction exacerbated by soakage
due to a large amount of urine or faeces.'

Natalie was released from her bail last November and all charges were dropped.

Relieved
Natalie was finally allowed to get Adelle and Daniel back on January
20, 2012, just days before the conference which could have led to her
losing Kaiden too.

Natalie
added: 'I was so happy and relieved when they said the children could
come back. We are trying to have some sort of normal life now.

'But Daniel is still affected by it now. He thinks I did not want him. It has been so hard trying to explain.

'I have lost my faith in doctors and nurses now. And they are all very suspicious of me as a mother.

'Whenever I have to take the children for check ups I get into such a state as I am scared they might take them away again.

'I
am devoted to all of my children and all I want to do is protect them. I
felt deeply insulted knowing people thought I was a bad mother.

'The
police kept questioning us, saying if I had not done it one of the
other two must have. They wanted us to point the finger at each other -
it nearly tore us apart.'

A
spokeswoman for Alder Hey Children’s Hospital said: 'Patient safety is
the Trust’s number one priority and we have a legal obligation to follow
safe guarding policies and procedures.

'It is standard practice to refer to social services any unexplained injury to enable an investigation to be carried out.

'We appreciate that this process can be extremely stressful for those families involved but child safety is always paramount.'

A
spokesman for Liverpool social services said: “In the interests of
confidentiality and privacy, we are unable to comment on individual
cases.

'However, the
general policy is that when concerns are raised by clinicians, we have
to carry out a full and detailed investigation.

'We fully appreciate this can be stressful for those involved, but it is done with the welfare of the child in mind.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2174774/My-children-taken-away-months-burst-nappy-scalded-daughters-leg.html#ixzz20vjsMXyG

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Re: Can burst nappies really cause such appalling burns and injuries?

Post by Guest on 18.07.12 9:07

It does sound very unlikely to me.

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Post by littlepixie on 19.07.12 0:38

Don't know if this nappy caused the burns or not. They were not around in my childrens day. Yes, we had disposable nappies but they were nothing like the wafer thin ones of today that turn into a bulging soggy bag swinging between a toddlers legs.

I have heard my Daughter tell my Grandson to "Come here before that Nappy pops" and the nappy looks like it will pop at any minute, but it never has done - Yet.

ETA. He only ever wears them at night as he's nearly 3.

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Post by tuom on 19.07.12 0:43

@littlepixie wrote:Don't know if this nappy caused the burns or not. They were not around in my childrens day. Yes, we had disposable nappies but they were nothing like the wafer thin ones of today that turn into a bulging soggy bag swinging between a toddlers legs.

I have heard my Daughter tell my Grandson to "Come here before that Nappy pops" and the nappy looks like it will pop at any minute, but it never has done - Yet.

ETA. He only ever wears them at night as he's nearly 3.



I have no idea if nappies could cause that extent of injury , surely when /if it burst the child would cry immediately ? IMO only and I dont think I would have waited two days !

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Post by bobbin on 19.07.12 6:53

@tuom wrote:
@littlepixie wrote:Don't know if this nappy caused the burns or not. They were not around in my childrens day. Yes, we had disposable nappies but they were nothing like the wafer thin ones of today that turn into a bulging soggy bag swinging between a toddlers legs.

I have heard my Daughter tell my Grandson to "Come here before that Nappy pops" and the nappy looks like it will pop at any minute, but it never has done - Yet.

ETA. He only ever wears them at night as he's nearly 3.



I have no idea if nappies could cause that extent of injury , surely when /if it burst the child would cry immediately ? IMO only and I dont think I would have waited two days !

I would hold judgement until the questions of what chemicals were in the nappies was fully divulged.

Rarely, but indeed it is the case, breast implants leak chemicals and cause serious skin burns.

We don't know what reactions may occur between any chemicals/ synthetic additions to food and drink, with any chemicals in nappies.

How sensitive the child's skin might be, if it had been inflamed by previous contact with dirt of any sort on a slide.

Reporting adverse effects / reactions from drugs, vaccinations etc. is very rarely given any valid consideration by the medical profession, and with a hightened fear from social services of a repeat of Baby P, it is possible to see an over-reaction which does not give weight to the concept of admitting that life delivers such an awful chemical coctail to not just children but all.

What on earth is in those nappies, that makes them swell with urine or faeces?. What colourings, synthetic sweeteners, mono-sodium glutamate laden, etc. etc. food had been fed to the child.

What vaccinations, with what mercury, animal/monkey/chicken products etc. had been given to the child, the chances of a bad and unknown chemical reaction are limitless.

A tired child could easily remain asleep and the chemical reactions develop slowly over time. Perhaps even the cream used to 'heal' the skin reaction may have augmented rather than eased the condition.

You might determine that I am anti 'non-natural' ingredients. It is because we feed an unknown chemical soup to our most trusting and unsuspecting children and then wonder why they show signs of discomfort and reaction.

Perhaps there was a scalding, it should be ruled out, but equally, perhaps there was a chemical reaction too. Maybe other children have had milder effects that were not taken to a hospital and therefore have not caused an alert to the nappies yet.

The mother did take the child to the hospital. Is that what you would do if you were trying to cover something up.

I would want before all else to know what chemical is in the nappies and beyond that, I would never contemplate using a synthetic / chemical laden nappy on the sensitive skin of a child anyway. Urine can burn anyway, and mixed with other chemicals, who knows what may happen.

Poor lady, and poor children having to adapt to a forced separation, at a time when bonding is critical, especially if the nappy incident is one of bad chemical reaction.

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Post by bobbin on 19.07.12 7:13

Just had a quick look on the net and found the first two sites give many complaints about the chemical smells, and burns on the skin, of the Asda, as well as other nappies. I haven't needed to look further because the complaints are rife.

I enclose the sites so that anyone wishing to, can see that the burns are not at all uncommon.


















http://community.babycentre.co.uk/post/a17034855/asda_little_angels_nappies_stink_of_chemicals


http://www.netmums.com/coffeehouse/children-parenting-190/nappies-potty-training-toilet-issues-549/nappies-811/701301-pampers-nappies-simply-dry-active-fit-dry-max-chemical-burns.html

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Post by tigger on 19.07.12 8:58

Only thing that annoys me here, a 3 year old should not be wearing a nappy, that's lazy mothering.

I can quite believe a chemical reaction - the crystals might be a form of soda plus perhaps a scented substance.

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Post by Guest on 19.07.12 9:04

That did cross my mind too Tigger but all children become dry at their own pace and sometimes just need nappies at night.

The thing that I really hate is people allowing children to have dummies in public when they're old enough to walk and talk - not that they will do much of the latter with a dummy!

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Post by EJW on 19.07.12 11:00

@tigger wrote:Only thing that annoys me here, a 3 year old should not be wearing a nappy, that's lazy mothering.

I can quite believe a chemical reaction - the crystals might be a form of soda plus perhaps a scented substance.

The "lazy mothering" comment is a bit harsh Tigger. There could be numerous reasons why the child is still in nappies at the age of three, Development Delay being one of them. Children do become dry at their own pace and are often still in nappies/pull ups during the night, at the age of three.



I do agree that a chemical reaction is extremely possible, I have noticed that some brands of nappies are worse than others for triggering an attack of nappy rash and soreness. However, given the severity of the burns on the little girl I find it laughable that the mother tried to make it better by simply applying Sudacrem!

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Post by tuom on 19.07.12 12:12

Snipped

A tired child could easily remain asleep and the chemical reactions develop slowly over time. Perhaps even the cream used to 'heal' the skin reaction may have augmented rather than eased the condition.



Point taken , Thank You I do know that some children are allergic to nappies (probably the plastic) however I am glad that the child/family are doing well

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Post by Gillyspot on 20.07.12 10:16

Personally I don't believe it was the granules that caused the burns simply the urine itself.

From Wikipedia "Urine is sterile until it reaches the urethra, where epithelial cells lining the urethra are colonized by facultatively anaerobic Gram negative rods and cocci.[4] Subsequent to elimination from the body, urine can acquire strong odors due to bacterial action,[citation needed] and in particular the release of ammonia from the breakdown of urea."

We all know ammonia is a bleach.

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Post by aquila on 20.07.12 10:44

There are several elements here for me

I didn't use disposable nappies for my Son. I used terry-towelling and muslin liners. They were put into a bucket of Napisan (a chemical). I washed the nappies in Fairy soap powder in an automatic washing machine with fabric conditioner (more chemicals) to make sure they didn't dry like crisps.

My baby had nappy rash as all babies have for many reasons - teething, not changing the nappy each time a child wees to name only two.

The advertisements for these disposable nappies are a disgrace imo. They show happy, beautiful babies and purport to take away that unmentionable stuff that eminates from them and make your baby a happy, bonny, giggly-gurgly child.

These disposable nappies are filled with chemicals.

I'm sorry if I'm breaking the boundaries for the chaps on the forum but women's hygiene products are also filled with chemicals to which I had a severe allergic reaction.

I don't know about this mother. Her child's injuries are horrendous.

What I DO know is that the chemicals in these 'new' products are not good for everyone.

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Post by pingunootnoot on 20.07.12 10:52

I have used asda's nappies in the past for my 11 month old but never again. They are awfully chemical and my baby kept on getting nappy rashes. On a couple of occasions she has had a red line in her inner thigh so i stopped using them. But majority of nappies are designed to last for 12 hours, i just do not understand how that poor child ended up with scalding all down her leg.

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Post by aquila on 20.07.12 11:05

@pingunootnoot wrote:I have used asda's nappies in the past for my 11 month old but never again. They are awfully chemical and my baby kept on getting nappy rashes. On a couple of occasions she has had a red line in her inner thigh so i stopped using them. But majority of nappies are designed to last for 12 hours, i just do not understand how that poor child ended up with scalding all down her leg.

It looks like impetigo to me but I'm no medic.

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Post by pingunootnoot on 20.07.12 11:07

@aquila wrote:
@pingunootnoot wrote:I have used asda's nappies in the past for my 11 month old but never again. They are awfully chemical and my baby kept on getting nappy rashes. On a couple of occasions she has had a red line in her inner thigh so i stopped using them. But majority of nappies are designed to last for 12 hours, i just do not understand how that poor child ended up with scalding all down her leg.

It looks like impetigo to me but I'm no medic.
Does that come out red before it turns white?

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Post by aquila on 20.07.12 11:10

Here is a link for impetigo.

http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Impetigo/Pages/Symptoms.aspx

google impetigo and look for images.

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Post by tuom on 20.07.12 13:24

@aquila wrote:There are several elements here for me

I didn't use disposable nappies for my Son. I used terry-towelling and muslin liners. They were put into a bucket of Napisan (a chemical). I washed the nappies in Fairy soap powder in an automatic washing machine with fabric conditioner (more chemicals) to make sure they didn't dry like crisps.

My baby had nappy rash as all babies have for many reasons - teething, not changing the nappy each time a child wees to name only two.

The advertisements for these disposable nappies are a disgrace imo. They show happy, beautiful babies and purport to take away that unmentionable stuff that eminates from them and make your baby a happy, bonny, giggly-gurgly child.

These disposable nappies are filled with chemicals.

I'm sorry if I'm breaking the boundaries for the chaps on the forum but women's hygiene products are also filled with chemicals to which I had a severe allergic reaction.

I don't know about this mother. Her child's injuries are horrendous.

What I DO know is that the chemicals in these 'new' products are not good for everyone.





Well the old terry nappies and the nappy liners , and the safety pins and the plastic pants lol how I miss the bucket of napisan NOT lol

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