MMC 15 minutes at the Creche
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During the Hearing it is revealed that Madeleine became a Ward of Court, on 02 April 2008, as the result of proceedings which started on 17 May 2007.
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Re: MMC 15 minutes at the Creche
You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..
3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :
When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.
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russiandoll- Posts: 2036
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russiandoll wrote: 30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.
You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..
3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :
When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.
Thanks RD , your earlier post is so spot on , the creche records ! I know there is something there , I am not finished really studying them carefully , but I just know they are not right ............ will be back , there is so much to read !!

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Re: MMC 15 minutes at the Creche
tuom wrote:russiandoll wrote: 30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.
You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..
3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :
When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.
Thanks RD , your earlier post is so spot on , the creche records ! I know there is something there , I am not finished really studying them carefully , but I just know they are not right ............ will be back , there is so much to read !!
Why would Kate ask Madeleine if she was sad because the other children had gone to the beach without her? Tanner had dropped off her eldest at the creche with MM that afternoon ( I have said before I think it very strange that the parents go to the beach but leave their eldest in the creche)
ROB said he went back from the beach to collect her at roughly 5ish, so why would MM be sad she would have been finishing creche then anyway and supposedlly sitting and having high tea.
Something not right about this comment at all.
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Re: MMC 15 minutes at the Creche
russiandoll wrote: 30th April Madeleine was carried home from the creche as sleepy. quote from Spaniel.
You have been quite scathing about the opinions of others but have based your own theory around an error. If you read the book and check KM statements, I think you will find that this day was 3rd May, the date of alleged abduction. A while ago I quoted what is below in asking was it possible a head injury had been worsening over a few hours or a day..
3rd May, KM gives a rundown of day's activities, incl. this :
When she finished jogging, around 5:20/5:30PM she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were eating at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the Tapas by the nannies. Her parents were required to sign the register when the meal was over. During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her: she replied that she wasn’t, but was rather tired. She asked Kate to carry her back to the apartment. Kate agreed, and Gerry led the twins back to the apartment. Tiredness was due to the intense daily activities, not to any sickness.
Thanks for posting that out Russian Doll, it's back to the drawing board then.

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" During the meal Kate asked Madeleine if she was sad because the other children in the group had gone to the beach without her."
Why not ask an open question like " You look sad. What is the matter?" and let the child say why she was unhappy. Presumably if Madeleine replied with either " I'm not sad Mummy" or ignored the question and just " moved on" [the same way Kate told us Maddie did early that morning at breakfast re the previous night's crying]....the issue would have been dropped as the questions re her crying had been dropped.
Why would Kate be so cruel as to point out to the child that she had been left behind when other children had gone to the beach? Kate's references to children in the group clearly means her friends' children.
Whose responsibility was it exactly to take Maddie to the beach? Kate and Gerry had taken Maddie and the twins earlier that week for a trip that was cut very short due to bad weather. Here was a nice afternoon, Maddie had been as usual at creche that morning and the parents had done their own thing.
Why did they not go as a family to the beach with the others? Did Kate and Gerry have the cheek to expect the other parents to mind their own child/ children if any/ all of the McCann children went to the beach, while they ran, jogged , played tennis again that afternoon?
I note Kate does not involve herself in the question re Maddie's sadness. I presume Maddie heard a conversation about the beach from the other children and adults, and Kate did not ask " Are you sad Maddie that I/we did not take you along to the beach with the others?"
Did Kate and/or Gerry not realise that at high tea their daughter would be only too aware that she had been left out of this trip? The twins were probably too young to make anything of this, but at nearly 4 Maddie would feel it. The wording is mean.....the other children went without you. It could have been we did not take you along, we're sorry
Was there an invitation from the other parents that was declined? Was the McCann family excluded for some reason?
The parents clearly had other priorities.
Kate McCann yet again divulges a lot about her character in this little episode.
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russiandoll- Posts: 2036
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Re: MMC 15 minutes at the Creche
The morning of the 3rd we have Maddie asking why her mother didn't come when she/Sean/Amelie (it changes over time) cried.
There appears to be no answer from her parents who go through the pantomine in interviews: 'We looked at each other and thought etc. '
Does it state anywhere if they asked 'Why she was crying?' No - the most striking thing is that she woke up! Kate is sorry that she didn't grab hold of her daughter (or shook her) to find out why she cried.
The night of the 3rd Maddie said she'd had the best day ever. Maddie had learned a little dance and arranged with her mother to show her this dance the following day. Both completely unlikely statements from a 4 year old who'd have no temporal awareness nor the patience to wait till the next day to show her little dance.
Now we have the caring mother asking her child if she'd felt left out.
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tigger wrote:Only on the 3rd do we get conversations with Maddie - and these could not be called conversations.
The morning of the 3rd we have Maddie asking why her mother didn't come when she/Sean/Amelie (it changes over time) cried.
There appears to be no answer from her parents who go through the pantomine in interviews: 'We looked at each other and thought etc. '
Does it state anywhere if they asked 'Why she was crying?' No - the most striking thing is that she woke up! Kate is sorry that she didn't grab hold of her daughter (or shook her) to find out why she cried.
The night of the 3rd Maddie said she'd had the best day ever. Maddie had learned a little dance and arranged with her mother to show her this dance the following day. Both completely unlikely statements from a 4 year old who'd have no temporal awareness nor the patience to wait till the next day to show her little dance.
Now we have the caring mother asking her child if she'd felt left out.
It is almost like the spite of school yard talk, with nobody wants you as a friend. Sick woman.
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Re: MMC 15 minutes at the Creche
Odd how Kate claims the alleged crying occurred on the 2nd May, and could be very significant as "the abductor" may have disturbed the children the night before Madeleine disappeared; in yet she attaches zero significance to the lengthy crying episode overheard by the 'plummy voiced' Mrs Fenn on the night of 1st May.
Either Madeleine cried two nights running, or this is a crafty attempt to move the crying episode which got "louder and more expressive" as described by Mrs Fenn, from the 1st to the 2nd May.
The question is Why?

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