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mira2 on Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:07 am
Way I see it, we the people deserve to be used and abused and have our liberties taken away from us in order for the New World Order (bunch of jumped up maniacs) to destroy every fabric of our society to the point of self destruct, in order to self selve their own selfish ambitions. We know that this bunch of clever jerks have gained great personal wealth from their agenda, but that is not enough for them, they are power hungry and care not a jot about anything other than where they are at in the pecking order of who is who. This might be remotely funny if it was not funded by the taxpayer.
The Madeleine McCann case bothered my around late May 2007 when someone dared to suggest that something was amiss, then 6 weeks down the line from May 3 Sol gave some info. A group of nine adults with kids entow, around 6 of those adults were UK NHS medical professionals who took it upon themselves to go out for the evening leaving the kids alone. It became blatently obvious that the UK media outlets were working the case and not in the best interests of the victim. WHY DID IT TAKE 6 WHOLE WEEKS FOR THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO WERE SUPPOSEDLY MADDIES BABYSITTERS TO EMERGE?
That was the turning point for me.
It did not add up that a party that large and (not a bunch of chavs) would have so little regard for their offspring that they would not have put in place a rota system where one individual took the task to look after the kiddies for the evening. Remember these kids were all under the age of 4.
I have often wondered whether jnt to Portugal by a group of UK NHS medics at a time when New Labour under Blair were secretly attempting to sell of large chunks of the NHS was a scoping exercise paid for by the taxpayer of perhaps one of the shady pharmacuetical companies? Lets face it if this had been all about a group of people hollidaying in the Algarve and something tragic happened there would have been no need to withold credit card info etc.
I feel that this case is sinister, it is all about protecting those with a voice at the expense of those without. Madeliene does not have a voice, and that is the vey reason why child abuse will continue and child abusers will go on to abuse, a vicious circle. Unlike many of the advocates to this case pro or anti I do not have the poor Madeliene factor. I have never gotten a feeling for this child, in fact there have been times when I have doubted her existence. I have seen enough of Kate Mc Canns interviews, this is not a lady that I would advocate for child minding services.
However, my gripe is not with the McCanns they are were they are because the system is not fit for purpose. If the system were fir for purpose they would be somewhere else.
The question begs:
Did the UK authorities stand in the way of the Portuguse investigation by refusing to hand over information requested? information that could have helped solv this case i.e phone records, bank records, medical records. Lets face it Madeleine if she ever existed was a British child, she had every right to justice. Did the UK authotrities of the day put her interest before that of her parents? (seems not)and what was the Ward of court lark all about? and how can we ever forget Kate's boasting in her bookie wookie about her dinner date with Clive. I do hope that it comes back to haunt her.
I am grateful to individauls like Dr Amaral (sure I can see his reason for fighting back), Tony Bennett for giving up his time to care about the little things in life that are of importance i.e. the welfare of our children, Blacksmith and his gang for taking an interest in this case and telling it how it is warts and all.
We all know by now that this case is not going to go away, there are questions to be answered and it is no longer about a 3 year old British child carted away by an international gang of paedo's it is about the UK's handling of this case from day one. The leveson enquiry has upped the anti.
Kate and Gerry have wandered off into the sunset and Clarence is no longer making bucks selling tittle tattle to News Corp.
Is it just me or has the arest of R Brooks and the implication that she was bullying Cameron and T May to tow the line in support of the Murdoch's media interest in this case, in otherwords 'we run the show', put an end to the McCanns gungho attitude of we are the untouchables? hence Clarence no longer getting his 75 grand from public donations.
The Madeleine McCann case bothered my around late May 2007 when someone dared to suggest that something was amiss, then 6 weeks down the line from May 3 Sol gave some info. A group of nine adults with kids entow, around 6 of those adults were UK NHS medical professionals who took it upon themselves to go out for the evening leaving the kids alone. It became blatently obvious that the UK media outlets were working the case and not in the best interests of the victim. WHY DID IT TAKE 6 WHOLE WEEKS FOR THE NAMES OF THOSE WHO WERE SUPPOSEDLY MADDIES BABYSITTERS TO EMERGE?
That was the turning point for me.
It did not add up that a party that large and (not a bunch of chavs) would have so little regard for their offspring that they would not have put in place a rota system where one individual took the task to look after the kiddies for the evening. Remember these kids were all under the age of 4.
I have often wondered whether jnt to Portugal by a group of UK NHS medics at a time when New Labour under Blair were secretly attempting to sell of large chunks of the NHS was a scoping exercise paid for by the taxpayer of perhaps one of the shady pharmacuetical companies? Lets face it if this had been all about a group of people hollidaying in the Algarve and something tragic happened there would have been no need to withold credit card info etc.
I feel that this case is sinister, it is all about protecting those with a voice at the expense of those without. Madeliene does not have a voice, and that is the vey reason why child abuse will continue and child abusers will go on to abuse, a vicious circle. Unlike many of the advocates to this case pro or anti I do not have the poor Madeliene factor. I have never gotten a feeling for this child, in fact there have been times when I have doubted her existence. I have seen enough of Kate Mc Canns interviews, this is not a lady that I would advocate for child minding services.
However, my gripe is not with the McCanns they are were they are because the system is not fit for purpose. If the system were fir for purpose they would be somewhere else.
The question begs:
Did the UK authorities stand in the way of the Portuguse investigation by refusing to hand over information requested? information that could have helped solv this case i.e phone records, bank records, medical records. Lets face it Madeleine if she ever existed was a British child, she had every right to justice. Did the UK authotrities of the day put her interest before that of her parents? (seems not)and what was the Ward of court lark all about? and how can we ever forget Kate's boasting in her bookie wookie about her dinner date with Clive. I do hope that it comes back to haunt her.
I am grateful to individauls like Dr Amaral (sure I can see his reason for fighting back), Tony Bennett for giving up his time to care about the little things in life that are of importance i.e. the welfare of our children, Blacksmith and his gang for taking an interest in this case and telling it how it is warts and all.
We all know by now that this case is not going to go away, there are questions to be answered and it is no longer about a 3 year old British child carted away by an international gang of paedo's it is about the UK's handling of this case from day one. The leveson enquiry has upped the anti.
Kate and Gerry have wandered off into the sunset and Clarence is no longer making bucks selling tittle tattle to News Corp.
Is it just me or has the arest of R Brooks and the implication that she was bullying Cameron and T May to tow the line in support of the Murdoch's media interest in this case, in otherwords 'we run the show', put an end to the McCanns gungho attitude of we are the untouchables? hence Clarence no longer getting his 75 grand from public donations.
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Angelique on Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:21 am
mira2
Yes, I have to agree on your first point - we were and are being taken for a ride in more ways than one.
So much in your post to comment on!
Maybe first I should agree that we are not living in a democracy that defends the innocent. Nor have we a Police Force that is answerable to the people.
IMO this stems from the top down, as you have said, we have a Government which is more interested in money and power. It is true that saying "Much wants more" and it has contaminated every aspect of this country and it seems we are powerless to stop it. I have to disagree about the Leveson Inquiry - it merely proved that any official investigation into anything will be merely for show with no useful result.
I have not read Kate's Book so can you explain further about the "dinner with Clive" ?
Yes, I have to agree on your first point - we were and are being taken for a ride in more ways than one.
So much in your post to comment on!
Maybe first I should agree that we are not living in a democracy that defends the innocent. Nor have we a Police Force that is answerable to the people.
IMO this stems from the top down, as you have said, we have a Government which is more interested in money and power. It is true that saying "Much wants more" and it has contaminated every aspect of this country and it seems we are powerless to stop it. I have to disagree about the Leveson Inquiry - it merely proved that any official investigation into anything will be merely for show with no useful result.
I have not read Kate's Book so can you explain further about the "dinner with Clive" ?
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Re: We were taken on a ride
uppatoffee on Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:00 am
I think this may be referring to the time she and Gerry went for dinner at Clement Freud's house, given the Freud Murdoch connections.
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Cristobell on Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:01 pm
Brilliant piece of writing Mira - so much there that I agree with. In the beginning I was irked by the 'everyone does it' phrase cropping up everywhere, then the strategically placed cuddlecut peeping out of the rucksack. I agree this case stopped being about the child long ago, but can't for the life of me fatham what is the mccans actually want? Even if the Pope himself recalled them and pronounced them living saints, there would still be doubters.
I hadn't given much thought to the connection with government policy at that time and the need to protect reputations/standing of doctors. They needed the population to believe in their GP's and doctors, as they always have. An interesting theory. I have always leaned towards the 'keep it simple, stupid' rule, and not delved too deeply into conspiracy stuff - it never ends well.
However, you have now steered my attention in the direction of the dyamics of the group. I wonder what the pecking order was there?
An interesting article Mira, I will have a re-read, I'm sure.
I hadn't given much thought to the connection with government policy at that time and the need to protect reputations/standing of doctors. They needed the population to believe in their GP's and doctors, as they always have. An interesting theory. I have always leaned towards the 'keep it simple, stupid' rule, and not delved too deeply into conspiracy stuff - it never ends well.
However, you have now steered my attention in the direction of the dyamics of the group. I wonder what the pecking order was there?
An interesting article Mira, I will have a re-read, I'm sure.
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Cristobell on Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:10 pm
Angelique wrote:mira2
Yes, I have to agree on your first point - we were and are being taken for a ride in more ways than one.
So much in your post to comment on!
Maybe first I should agree that we are not living in a democracy that defends the innocent. Nor have we a Police Force that is answerable to the people.
IMO this stems from the top down, as you have said, we have a Government which is more interested in money and power. It is true that saying "Much wants more" and it has contaminated every aspect of this country and it seems we are powerless to stop it. I have to disagree about the Leveson Inquiry - it merely proved that any official investigation into anything will be merely for show with no useful result.
I have not read Kate's Book so can you explain further about the "dinner with Clive" ?
'Much wants More' is a good saying Angelique, I've not heard it before, sums it all up I think.
I don't know what to make of the Levenson Enquiry, apart from my inner voice screaming ffs do not curb the press! I never imagined we would see the fall of the House of Murdoch, if indeed thats what we have seen. I'm still undecided on any outcome from it.
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Angelique on Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:13 am
uppatoffee wrote:I think this may be referring to the time she and Gerry went for dinner at Clement Freud's house, given the Freud Murdoch connections.
uppatoffee
Ah, yes thank you.
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Cristobell on Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:53 pm
The question of the sale of the NHS and the reputation of doctors has stayed in my mind, and for this reason I am losing hope of every getting an answer to this mystery, yes mystery. We are still in the same position with the selling off the NHS and so the assistance from the government may just carry on.
On the plus side, it is now five years on, and I doubt anyone suspected the tenacity of the TM, or that this case would still attract so much interest, and it is frankly out of control, now involving police forces and governments of two countries. As another poster commented on another thread, it could be that the law can be more powerful than those en-charged with it. Who would have thought we would ever have got such detailed insight into MPs expenses?
On the plus side, it is now five years on, and I doubt anyone suspected the tenacity of the TM, or that this case would still attract so much interest, and it is frankly out of control, now involving police forces and governments of two countries. As another poster commented on another thread, it could be that the law can be more powerful than those en-charged with it. Who would have thought we would ever have got such detailed insight into MPs expenses?
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Re: We were taken on a ride
candyfloss on Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:02 pm
Cristobell wrote: The question of the sale of the NHS and the reputation of doctors has stayed in my mind, and for this reason I am losing hope of every getting an answer to this mystery, yes mystery. We are still in the same position with the selling off the NHS and so the assistance from the government may just carry on.
On the plus side, it is now five years on, and I doubt anyone suspected the tenacity of the TM, or that this case would still attract so much interest, and it is frankly out of control, now involving police forces and governments of two countries. As another poster commented on another thread, it could be that the law can be more powerful than those en-charged with it. Who would have thought we would ever have got such detailed insight into MPs expenses?
Quite. Who would have thought we would ever have know the cosy relationships between the press and MP's. Would we ever have know about the candlight dinners, the horse, the the lots of love messages from David Cameron
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Angelique on Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:36 am
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It has become so huge as you say. From just an supposed abduction involving two forces of two Countries, we now have other Countries drawn in, though GM did say he wanted a Global Agenda. We now see so much detailed information surrounding Madeleine's disappearance it's difficult to see where it's going and whether there will ever be a final judgment.
It has become so huge as you say. From just an supposed abduction involving two forces of two Countries, we now have other Countries drawn in, though GM did say he wanted a Global Agenda. We now see so much detailed information surrounding Madeleine's disappearance it's difficult to see where it's going and whether there will ever be a final judgment.
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Re: We were taken on a ride
Cristobell on Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:36 am
Angelique wrote:Cristobel
It has become so huge as you say. From just an supposed abduction involving two forces of two Countries, we now have other Countries drawn in, though GM did say he wanted a Global Agenda. We now see so much detailed information surrounding Madeleine's disappearance it's difficult to see where it's going and whether there will ever be a final judgment.
That is why it is so compelling I think. Reports, such as that of Horrocks will satisfy the masses, but will it get past High Court Judges, from two different countries? Whatever the outcome, it will be tangled up in legalities for ever more. So many cases will be dependent on each other.
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