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.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Martin Brunt: "Scotland Yard believes it has unearthed enough clues to justify the Portuguese authorities re-opening their investigation, which was abandoned 15 months after Madeleine vanished."....Kate McCann: "What we need is for the Portuguese police to reopen the case. That is crucial."...Gonçalo Amaral: "For the McCanns to ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the prosecutor...it costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."....The McCann couple or their Tapas friends could force the reopening of the process if they would do the reconstruction....In 2007 British Ambassador Alexander W. Ellis admitted that the British Police had developed evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann.....Assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire police: “While one or both of the McCanns may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”....Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent: "The crucial part of the evidence appears to be a complete match of Madeleine's DNA in the boot of the hire car"...Inspector Ricardo Paiva: "It was Scotland Yard who first thought it could be a murder case."......British criminal profiler NPIA, Lee Rainbow: "Madeleine's father was the last one to see her alive. The family is a lead that should be followed. Contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide."...Francisco Moita Flores: "Scotland Yard has made another two million pounds available to search for Maddie McCann"....Gonçalo Amaral: "Elements from the Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative PJ team from Oporto, and what is known is that the “affair” is not going well for the McCanns.".....Scotland Yard dismisses work done by the private agency “Método” 3 hired by the McCann couple....Martin Grime: "Not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparations, in spite of indications to the contrary.".....Kate McCann: "I think I could probably forgive the abductor."

.....................................................................................................................................Martin Brunt: "There are 30 Met officers - the equivalent of a murder squad - working on the review and I'm told that a senior officer is having to give regular spending updates to the Home Office which is funding an operation that will cost several million and last many months."....Gonçalo Amaral: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere 'show off'.....Manuel Catriano: "This story did not begin in the Ocean Club, but in London where the 'official truth' was conspired and established: an English girl was kidnapped in the Algarve."....Gonçalo Amaral: "Dr Katherina Gaspar witnesses a scene with David Payne and Gerry McCann which flabbergasts her and makes her fear for the safety of her daughter and the other children"....Gonçalo Amaral: " I have understood their game. The McCanns knew that I was going to catch them. So the game is always the same. We want to catch them, they want to escape, and that's it. Sometimes the bandits win, sometimes the policemen do."....Gonçalo Amaral: "Under the old Penal Process, how do I ask Kate: "Are you lying when you say you didn't touch the window? As a matter of fact, it was you who opened the window. We have material evidence of that. A question like this forces the constitution of arguido...".....Tony Bennett: "The Madeleine Foundation has now sent a 32-page letter and a bundle of supporting evidence to the Scotland Yard 'Maddie Case' Review Team".............Gonçalo Amaral: "The little girl died in the apartment. Everything is in the book, which is faithful to the investigation until September: it reflects the understanding of the Portuguese and the English police and of the Public Ministry. For all of us until then the concealment of the cadaver, the simulation of abduction and the exposure or abandonment were proved."...Gonçalo Amaral: "For the McCanns to ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the prosecutor...it costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."...Gonçalo Amaral: "The investigation will be concluded, it will be reopened and it will be taken to an end; and justice will be made, that is all that we want."...Gonçalo Amaral: "There are hundreds of indications, clues regarding a certain event; and it is that event that some people do not accept and want to conceal."...Kate Healy was not immediately made an arguida, but merely interviewed voluntarily as a witness. Only after her interview was she made an arguida, that is, after she was confronted with concrete facts that might lead to her incrimination."...Gonçalo Amaral: "If the McCanns admit that their daughter is dead, they can no longer collect money from the Maddie fund, and that's a lot of money, over one million pounds. That's why they say that the girl was abducted."...Kate McCann: "This pair (Carter Ruck lawyers) continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly behind the scenes."...Gonçalo Amaral: "Nowadays I have no doubts left, the archival for various reasons, was mainly due to political pressures made by the English - I have no doubts about that."...Gonçalo Amaral: "I remind you that they demanded the archiving of the process, in 2008, when they were arguidos, merely to defend their image. They are not interested in the reopening of the process or of the investigation"...Gonçalo Amaral: "It's too big and too serious a burden to be concealed by so many people for their entire lives."...Gonçalo Amaral: "Let's remember it is totally logical to find Madeleine's DNA in the home, but absolutely not in a car rented more than twenty days after her disappearance."...Tony Bennett: "The question is: exactly what is it about Madeleine's disappearance that caused such a massive level of government activity, including MI5 and secret service type groups like Control Risks Group, to become involved, and so quickly and in such large numbers? Was it to help find a missing child? Or to locate an abductor?...Martin Grime: "My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant."...Gonçalo Amaral: "If the body had been buried there would have been mummification. The fact that there were fluids points to refrigeration."...Dr Vernon Coleman: "Would you hire the McCanns as babysitters?"...Gonçalo Amaral: "there were gestures and words indicating the existence of a child molester within that group of people"...Jose Barra da Costa, PJ: "There are people who guarantee that this is a couple who practice 'swinging' - i.e. sexual relationships between couples and then changing partners, and that this practice would allow in this type of..."...Justine McGuiness: "We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to..."...C443 J.N. HUGHES: Background Information- Gerald McCANN - A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system....Dr Katherina Gaspar: "I remember Dave telling Gerry something like “she”, referring to Madeleine, “would do this”.. While he mentioned the word 'this', David was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple. I remember being shocked by that."...Sofia Leal: “My husband and I have never abandoned our daughters, or allowed paedophiles in our circle of friends. I am shocked that a couple who affirm to be religious is seeking out to destroy our family”...Gerry McCann: "There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death"...

................................................................................................................................................................................................ Gerry McCann: "It is something we raised at Leveson that Madeleine and her safety is often treated with complete contempt"....Carlos Anjos, president of ASFIC/PJ: “What the McCanns did was...they've put on their internet page “We asked the authorities”, but they didn't, because to ask means to send a request to the Prosecutor's Office or to the Judiaciary Police, and that didn't happen. I think what we have here it's some sort of deception.”....................................................   

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Post  Ribisl on Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:04 pm

I apologise for contributing nothing new here but this is a quiet reflection on my part.

Reading some recent posts by the members, I couldn't help being reminded how woefully inadequate and ill prepared the MCs appear as parents. They had long wanted children but when they came they were treated more like accessories, to be seen with when they weren't busy enjoying themselves. Or so it appears.

Some heartwarming anecdotes posted here about how they were treated by their parents and how they themselves have dealt with their own children in difficult circumstances, make me realise belatedly such selfless maternal/paternal behaviour simply does not come naturally to the MCs. Perhaps their egos are too strong. The youngest boy of the family marries the only child and you have a pair of immature and self-centred individuals playing parents, without truly accepting the degree of responsibility parenthood brings, incapable of nurturing the young and vulnerable.

Their behaviour after Madeleine's disappearance merely underlines their priorities in life and clearly demonstrates to the world Madeleine probably suffered even in her very short life. This is a sad reflection indeed.

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Re: Kate and Gerry as parents

Post  tigger on Sat Jun 23, 2012 6:59 am

It is indeed a sad case. They are both narcissists and as a mother here pointed out (might have been Tuom) it's like a child having a child.

I thought it was a brilliant observation because Kate's statements are revealing on this point.
'She was my best friend' - that is most unrealistic when talking about a toddler.
'She was very loving' - I know the diary is full of 'I love you' but it was written for publication and none of it rings true anyway.

Everything Kate and presumably Gerry has to do for the children seems to be a chore - the videos show no real interaction and most curious of all, virtually no interaction of the parents on photographs with Maddie.

I feel they're almost surprised to have to give accounts of what Maddie liked to do and they come up with Dr. Who, Harry Potter at the same time as bedtime stories for two years olds, milk and biscuits. That's pretty well it and Dr. Who and Harry Potter are really not for a child aged four.

The sad thing is that we don't know what Maddie was really like because they don't know either.



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Re: Kate and Gerry as parents

Post  Cristobell on Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:23 pm

tigger wrote:It is indeed a sad case. They are both narcissists and as a mother here pointed out (might have been Tuom) it's like a child having a child.

I thought it was a brilliant observation because Kate's statements are revealing on this point.
'She was my best friend' - that is most unrealistic when talking about a toddler.
'She was very loving' - I know the diary is full of 'I love you' but it was written for publication and none of it rings true anyway.

Everything Kate and presumably Gerry has to do for the children seems to be a chore - the videos show no real interaction and most curious of all, virtually no interaction of the parents on photographs with Maddie.

I feel they're almost surprised to have to give accounts of what Maddie liked to do and they come up with Dr. Who, Harry Potter at the same time as bedtime stories for two years olds, milk and biscuits. That's pretty well it and Dr. Who and Harry Potter are really not for a child aged four.

The sad thing is that we don't know what Maddie was really like because they don't know either.












I don't know if I was overly soppy, but as a working mother, my thoughts were always with my kids, and I would bore my friends and colleagues endlessly with tales of the funny things they said and did. 3/4 year olds especially, are a delight, and can talk the hind legs off a donkey. The adjectives used to describe Madeleine are generic, she was lovely, bright, pretty, words that would probably describe any little girl, although I do remember Gerry describing her as articulate, which made my ears prick up. It made me think, that when my kids had something to tell me something, they would not stop until they got to the end of their story, even if I was sitting on the loo, or rushing to get the washing in out of the rain. But then again, I can see how a tot, can be easily distracted. Apologies, I am just thinking out loud.

We are not really given a personal insight into the child. Among 3 siblings, was the she the outgoing one? the naughty one? did she have tantrums? did Kate recount special times with Madeleine, things they spoke about, other than 'best day ever'. Her favourite things, her fears? I'm afraid I haven't read the full book, and in a way, I can understand why a family would want to keep special memories private, although I don't have a great deal of belief in that, as from what I gather from the book, in some subjects, she gives us way too much information. Again, thinking out loud.

I think Kate was not a 'mumsy' type mother, and that she had an awful lot on her plate. I would imagine looking after 3 toddlers has to be as stressful as being being an air traffic controller, especially if it doesn't come naturally, and for some mums it doesn't. With young kids, there is no time off - ever. The family are too 'Brady Bunch' - perfect couple, perfect professions. perfect family. Again, can be explained, they don't literally want to wash their dirty linen in public. The rest of us, if we are honest, come from homes where 'its your fecking turn' or 'ffs what do you want now' - is closer to the norm. I think this story becomes easier to theorise if research starts prior to 3rd May.


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Re: Kate and Gerry as parents

Post  anil39200 on Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:16 pm

There are some people in society who beloved women can have it all. Career, life partner, nice houses, cars, children, little fancy doggies for clarrying around in the handbag.the car, the holiday, being onto friends, Facebook, fitness, coffee and Twitter. It seems that young professionals in the 30-45 year group are actually still in the student/Friends tv show mindset and anything. Which can enhance their image, be it kids, car, doggie etc can be bolted on and then disposed of when the lifeplan needs tweaking,my good lady and I waited ten years, five heartbreaking ones before our first daughter came naturally to us. Then seven years on, a second daughter, and now she has a daughter. Bringing up these two took virtually all our time, patience love and had anything happened to either. of then I and my wife would have done everything, for as long as it took to look and search.for them and whoever did what. Losing our youngest in shops when she was 3 for a few minutes made us panic, but we always found them.we taught them very early about rights and wrongs and. What to do if things went wrong. We would have had no experts, protection, we would have answered all police questions and been getting plant bites, thorns and all sorts to physically search if one went missing. Thankfully it didn't. But that is how we would respond as parents, .No campaigns, profiles, selfish books accusing and blaming others and no wider agenda. Then my wife is a real .mother, unselfish, not jealous of her children, not needing perfection or design label clothes to .prove the kids were dressed, she always insisted on a toothbrush each for all of us. Those few examples are how families, with real love and real interraction, go about things. Whatever the truth is, the child Madeleine deserves to have honesty and integrity from those who were supposed to protect her. No, we would never go out and leave young children of such tender age on their own, if that is what happened shame on anyone who allows their daughter to be taken, putting 2 other children at risk. How one. or both parents is not locked up just for that is a miracle. If as many here seem to believe there is a more sinister, .untold story then ultimately it will be found out. The child deserves better than whatever the treatment she had and from whoever it was. It would not take much for a troublesome child to cause a busy mother suddenly looking 3 small children to lose it and hurt the one causing the problem. Young parents snap alll the time. Those seeking perfection and needing to seek affection for themselves might snap if a child becomes the centre of attraction instead of being the seen not heard latest accessory. Perhaps though now, it might be the time, five years on to explain what happened. Confession can. Be good for the soul, but, if as some observers have isuggested, their is no soul, then the sadness one feels for this poor, missing child is immense. If the abduction story is true, imo I doubt this, then there must be more physical proof than constantly changing witness statements, from people who allegedly had been, erm, drinking.

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Post  Cristobell on Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:49 pm

anil39200 wrote:There are some people in society who beloved women can have it all. Career, life partner, nice houses, cars, children, little fancy doggies for clarrying around in the handbag.the car, the holiday, being onto friends, Facebook, fitness, coffee and Twitter. It seems that young professionals in the 30-45 year group are actually still in the student/Friends tv show mindset and anything. Which can enhance their image, be it kids, car, doggie etc can be bolted on and then disposed of when the lifeplan needs tweaking,my good lady and I waited ten years, five heartbreaking ones before our first daughter came naturally to us. Then seven years on, a second daughter, and now she has a daughter. Bringing up these two took virtually all our time, patience love and had anything happened to either. of then I and my wife would have done everything, for as long as it took to look and search.for them and whoever did what. Losing our youngest in shops when she was 3 for a few minutes made us panic, but we always found them.we taught them very early about rights and wrongs and. What to do if things went wrong. We would have had no experts, protection, we would have answered all police questions and been getting plant bites, thorns and all sorts to physically search if one went missing. Thankfully it didn't. But that is how we would respond as parents, .No campaigns, profiles, selfish books accusing and blaming others and no wider agenda. Then my wife is a real .mother, unselfish, not jealous of her children, not needing perfection or design label clothes to .prove the kids were dressed, she always insisted on a toothbrush each for all of us. Those few examples are how families, with real love and real interraction, go about things. Whatever the truth is, the child Madeleine deserves to have honesty and integrity from those who were supposed to protect her. No, we would never go out and leave young children of such tender age on their own, if that is what happened shame on anyone who allows their daughter to be taken, putting 2 other children at risk. How one. or both parents is not locked up just for that is a miracle. If as many here seem to believe there is a more sinister, .untold story then ultimately it will be found out. The child deserves better than whatever the treatment she had and from whoever it was. It would not take much for a troublesome child to cause a busy mother suddenly looking 3 small children to lose it and hurt the one causing the problem. Young parents snap alll the time. Those seeking perfection and needing to seek affection for themselves might snap if a child becomes the centre of attraction instead of being the seen not heard latest accessory. Perhaps though now, it might be the time, five years on to explain what happened. Confession can. Be good for the soul, but, if as some observers have isuggested, their is no soul, then the sadness one feels for this poor, missing child is immense. If the abduction story is true, imo I doubt this, then there must be more physical proof than constantly changing witness statements, from people who allegedly had been, erm, drinking.






I enjoyed reading that Anil, I think you have said in words what many of us feel. One of the key expressions I remember in the first news reports was that 'its something we have all done'. It was used by columnists, reporters, presenters, and everytime I heard it/read it, it irked. Like yourself, I couldn't imagine anyone doing that kind of thing. Then I began to think it was some great big middle class thing that I wasn't part of, but I've never seen it before.

I once had the privilege of spending Hogmany in Scotland, and every house having beds made up for the bairns that you carried or dragged along with you to see the New Year in with all your friends and family. No child was ever left alone. Even living in London, I remember flipping a coin with another young couple to see which pair had to stay in and babysit and which pair got to go out on that magic night. It does make me wonder how doctors, of all people, could take such terrible risks. The phrase 'we all do it' just didn't ring true. And if it were true, we would be hearing about terrible accidents all the time. I cannot think of a more dangerous situation than 3 inquisitive toddlers being left alone in an empty apartment. Mosts mums know that you cannot turn your back on a toddler for a second, or you would spend 7 hours in A&E. Was the apartment childproofed? Ie, locks on cupboards, sharp corners covered? Like most mums, I was a constant visitor to Mothercare's safety range. Kids can and do, fall over their own shadows. I felt as though I was being brain washed to believe 'its something we all do' and it has become part of the Mccann story. Who? or what is being protected here? And why are they so intent on us believing it?

In my opinion, it was overkill, it made some of us ask questions. Its like someone trying to convince you black is white, when you know full it isn't. In the early days, I think I would have changed my opinion if they had said, 'we were wrong' and please, please use us an example to never leave your kids alone. I think they have been building a case from day 1.

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Post  No Fate Worse Than De'Ath on Sun Jun 24, 2012 5:52 pm

Well said Cristobell. It just isn't credible that the McCanns - and their friends, don't forget - would have behaved in such a thoughtless way.

Mind you, nice but dim Fiona Phillips admitted that she once left her children in a hotel room and they were found running amok in the corridors and that's why she subscribes to the "we all do it" nonsense!

So yes, there are some people who would but most certainly would not.

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Re: Kate and Gerry as parents

Post  PeterMac on Sun Jun 24, 2012 6:08 pm

tigger wrote:
I thought it was a brilliant observation because Kate's statements are revealing on this point.
'She was my best friend' - that is most unrealistic when talking about a toddler.

Indeed so. Many couples when asked describe their partner as their "best friend". I used to think it was nonsense, until I got married, and realised that the passion and love also includes a deep friendship, (or should !)

To be 'best friends' with a 3 years old is pathological. Or does it tell us something about the K & G relationship ?

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Post  aquila on Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:47 pm

PeterMac wrote:
tigger wrote:
I thought it was a brilliant observation because Kate's statements are revealing on this point.
'She was my best friend' - that is most unrealistic when talking about a toddler.

Indeed so. Many couples when asked describe their partner as their "best friend". I used to think it was nonsense, until I got married, and realised that the passion and love also includes a deep friendship, (or should !)

To be 'best friends' with a 3 years old is pathological. Or does it tell us something about the K & G relationship ?


Absolutely correct imo PeterMac. Even allowing for this strange description, having a best friend means also being a best friend. In cases of missing children best friends are an invaluable source of information about the person. Best friends can paint an enormous picture of that person. I still don't know many details of Madeleine from her 'best friend' other than she can give her tuppence worth and she was/is beautiful, lively and intelligent, likes Dr Who and Harry Potter (both strange for a 3 year old imo). This best friend is also Madeleine's mother. Your children are not your best friends. You like your children (sometimes you can't stand them) you may even like one of your children more than another for personality reasons but your children are not your best friend. How can a 3 year old be a best friend to her mother? I can understand a close friendship between a mother and a teenage daughter but a 3 year old? You couldn't make it up - or perhaps you can.

I'm editing to add that you love your children. That love is unique.

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Post  david_uk on Mon Jun 25, 2012 10:18 am

I disagree, My 5 yrs old son is also one of my best friends. I do not think there is anything wrong or unusual about describing your son or daughter in this way. Infact I call him `bud` for Buddy as hes been little buddy since he was born high5

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Post  bobbin on Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:20 am

david_uk wrote:I disagree, My 5 yrs old son is also one of my best friends. I do not think there is anything wrong or unusual about describing your son or daughter in this way. Infact I call him `bud` for Buddy as hes been little buddy since he was born


yes david-uk, but is this just how YOU see it?

For genuine friendship, it needs to be both ways. Your son is not yet of an age to make the 'adult' decision about 'best friends'.

Sure, children have 'best friends' but they can change quickly and in a fickle moment. That is not 'true best friends'.

It is, in my opinion, an imposition of an adult to claim a youngster as a best friend. It, to my mind, puts an onus of responsibility onto the child who, in my opinion, should have the liberty to find and create his own 'best friend' relationships and not have them assumed, or imposed, by a possibly 'needy' adult.

I see nothing wrong with saying 'I love my kids to bits', they are 'superb little companions', but to claim them as a 'best friend' to my mind, is to impose upon their freedom to grow up and develop their own world.


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