Jenny Murat's stall to help find Madeleine

candyfloss wrote:Thinking about it more and more it is such a strange thing to do imo. Would anyone here open a stall and ask for information pertinent to an inquiry on a missing person in their own town, especially if you didn't know them at all??? I'm sure the police would stop that tout de suite.

As newintown said, if they didn't mind her giving the information to police, why wouldn't they go to the police in the first place.

My take on it all is that Murat probably got himself involved after the event and was trying to find out information to use so that he and his girlfriend could claim the huge reward for information leading to the recovery of the child and apprehension of the 'abductor' or whoever and thus set themselves up for life. What an opportunity to be in a situation where you can gather information at will by being close to the first police on the scene and interpreting for all the English speaking witnesses. Either his mother was in on the scheme and set up her stall in collusion with him, or else, which IMO is more likely, she was convinced that her sonny boy was somehow involved and was looking for a way to protect him. I guess as things developed, Murat started to smell a rat as far as the parents and their friends were concerned, because he would no doubt have picked up at least some of the inconsistencies in the intial statements to police and media. Never mind the police not looking at Mrs Murat's action favourably, how must the McCanns have felt about the mother of 'that person sticking his nose into everything' setting up a stall like that? So, they and their friends with the assistance of CM, who used LC for that purpose, shopped him and effectively took him out of circulation. It could be that a deal was done later on to assist Murat to take the consolation prize of several hundred thousand pounds for having his life destroyed. All speculation on my part of course.

Well with Robert Murat acting as translator of the witness statements, and his mother maybe receiving information from the villagers, then between them they certainly would have known what was going on with this case.

candyfloss wrote:Well with Robert Murat acting as translator of the witness statements, and his mother maybe receiving information from the villagers, then between them they certainly would have known what was going on with this case.

I can't see why RM would have offered his services as translator to go after a reward that he didn't know existed at the time. I'm afraid my thoughts are darker.

candyfloss wrote:Well with Robert Murat acting as translator of the witness statements, and his mother maybe receiving information from the villagers, then between them they certainly would have known what was going on with this case.

Perhaps that was part of the arrangement, would seem to be a sensible thing to do. Murat called back from Devon to arrange things and afterwards to keep an eye on the police activity. He was also caught trying to look at documents in the police station, one of the inspectors reported it to his superior.

aquila wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Well with Robert Murat acting as translator of the witness statements, and his mother maybe receiving information from the villagers, then between them they certainly would have known what was going on with this case.

I can't see why RM would have offered his services as translator to go after a reward that he didn't know existed at the time. I'm afraid my thoughts are darker.

There's always a reward where important people are concerned - he would have seen the British Ambassador strutting around he next day, read the news realized how important these people were.

T4two wrote:

aquila wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Well with Robert Murat acting as translator of the witness statements, and his mother maybe receiving information from the villagers, then between them they certainly would have known what was going on with this case.

I can't see why RM would have offered his services as translator to go after a reward that he didn't know existed at the time. I'm afraid my thoughts are darker.

There's always a reward where important people are concerned - he would have seen the British Ambassador strutting around he next day, read the news realized how important these people were.

Murat was known to the McCanns before the holiday, the phone records indicate that he was called back to PdL from Devon, he arrived on the 1st of May and had a number of meetings.
Once he was made an arguido he had to amend his account of the days following his arrival.

A summary of Murat’s 17 changes of story about what he did on 1, 2, 3 and 4 May

You may by now have lost count of the number of changes in Robert Murat’s story about what he was doing between 1 and 4 May, so here’s a convenient summary of his new account of events, and how these contradicted his earlier account of events:

Remembers that on 1 May he tried to contact Jorge da Silva.
Remembers that on 2 May he didn’t leave home at 10.30am but instead had a meeting with Sergei Malinka at the Batista Supermarket.
He had in fact taken Michaela and Malinka back to his mother’s house in Praia da Luz for a further discussion, something he’d omitted to tell the police in the first interview.
He now remembered visiting his bank and paying in 287.51 euros.
He now remembered he’d called at the home of Francisco Pagarete, his lawyer, that morning.
He now remembers that he had met Francisco Pagarete that afternoon.
He now remembers that another of Jorge’s sons was present at their meeting in the café in the afternoon.
The meeting in the café went on much longer than he had said previously.
He thinks that Michaela Walczuk’s husband Luis Antonio may not have been present at Michaela’s house that evening, contrary to what he had previously said.
On 3 May, he had not woken at 9.00am as previously stated, but at 8.00am.
He had not driven to Michaela’s house that morning after 10.00am as previously stated; instead he had left home at 8.45am for a 9.30am meeting with the owner of the business tourist complex called ‘Gold Bunker’ in the Espiche district and her father-in-law.
He now remembered that he and Michaela had visited two apartments for about 30 minutes, probably on the afternoon of 3 May.
He and Michaela had lunch with the owner of the ‘Gold Bunker’ complex and her father-in-law, a fact he had not disclosed to police before.
Michaela’s daughter C______ was not with them that day, contrary to his previous story.
They went to the Palmares Golf Club in the afternoon, another fact Murat had failed to disclose.
He now admitted to making two telephone calls, to Sergei Malinka and Michaela, at 11.39pm and 11.40pm that night.
He previously said he had woken at 9.00am on Friday 4 May. He now admitted he had telephoned Michaela at 8.27am and must have got up earlier.

The above is from The Madeleine Foundation article on Murat.
I am sure that Murat was working for financial gain but there were other people in the background with plenty of money who would see him 'right' imo.
He was helping the McCanns from the moment he arrived imo - some compensation had to be offered. But the official rewards offered were for the safe return of Madeleine, imo, Murat would know that would never happen.

tigger wrote:

T4two wrote:

aquila wrote:

candyfloss wrote:Well with Robert Murat acting as translator of the witness statements, and his mother maybe receiving information from the villagers, then between them they certainly would have known what was going on with this case.

I can't see why RM would have offered his services as translator to go after a reward that he didn't know existed at the time. I'm afraid my thoughts are darker.

There's always a reward where important people are concerned - he would have seen the British Ambassador strutting around he next day, read the news realized how important these people were.

Murat was known to the McCanns before the holiday, the phone records indicate that he was called back to PdL from Devon, he arrived on the 1st of May and had a number of meetings.
Once he was made an arguido he had to amend his account of the days following his arrival.

A summary of Murat’s 17 changes of story about what he did on 1, 2, 3 and 4 May

You may by now have lost count of the number of changes in Robert Murat’s story about what he was doing between 1 and 4 May, so here’s a convenient summary of his new account of events, and how these contradicted his earlier account of events:

Remembers that on 1 May he tried to contact Jorge da Silva.
Remembers that on 2 May he didn’t leave home at 10.30am but instead had a meeting with Sergei Malinka at the Batista Supermarket.
He had in fact taken Michaela and Malinka back to his mother’s house in Praia da Luz for a further discussion, something he’d omitted to tell the police in the first interview.
He now remembered visiting his bank and paying in 287.51 euros.
He now remembered he’d called at the home of Francisco Pagarete, his lawyer, that morning.
He now remembers that he had met Francisco Pagarete that afternoon.
He now remembers that another of Jorge’s sons was present at their meeting in the café in the afternoon.
The meeting in the café went on much longer than he had said previously.
He thinks that Michaela Walczuk’s husband Luis Antonio may not have been present at Michaela’s house that evening, contrary to what he had previously said.
On 3 May, he had not woken at 9.00am as previously stated, but at 8.00am.
He had not driven to Michaela’s house that morning after 10.00am as previously stated; instead he had left home at 8.45am for a 9.30am meeting with the owner of the business tourist complex called ‘Gold Bunker’ in the Espiche district and her father-in-law.
He now remembered that he and Michaela had visited two apartments for about 30 minutes, probably on the afternoon of 3 May.
He and Michaela had lunch with the owner of the ‘Gold Bunker’ complex and her father-in-law, a fact he had not disclosed to police before.
Michaela’s daughter C______ was not with them that day, contrary to his previous story.
They went to the Palmares Golf Club in the afternoon, another fact Murat had failed to disclose.
He now admitted to making two telephone calls, to Sergei Malinka and Michaela, at 11.39pm and 11.40pm that night.
He previously said he had woken at 9.00am on Friday 4 May. He now admitted he had telephoned Michaela at 8.27am and must have got up earlier.

The above is from The Madeleine Foundation article on Murat.
I am sure that Murat was working for financial gain but there were other people in the background with plenty of money who would see him 'right' imo.
He was helping the McCanns from the moment he arrived imo - some compensation had to be offered. But the official rewards offered were for the safe return of Madeleine, imo, Murat would know that would never happen.

So if he was helping the McCanns and was summoned back , something must have happened to Maddie before May 1st ?
I think they only landed in Portugal on the 29th April to start their holiday which was the Sat ? Or am I wrong about the arrival date !!!

The arrival date was Saturday, 28th April.

Jean wrote:The arrival date was Saturday, 28th April.

Thanks for that Jean, thought I was loosing the plot LOL. Anyway its still worth looking at the days between the 28th April and 1st May to see what they were up to on the Family Holiday ?
If people think Murat was called back and he arrived on the 1st May then something happened before the 1st ?

Does anybody know what time his flight arrived on the 1st May and when he booked the flight ?

jozi wrote:

Jean wrote:The arrival date was Saturday, 28th April.

Thanks for that Jean, thought I was loosing the plot LOL. Anyway its still worth looking at the days between the 28th April and 1st May to see what they were up to on the Family Holiday ?
If people think Murat was called back and he arrived on the 1st May then something happened before the 1st ?

Does anybody know what time his flight arrived on the 1st May and when he booked the flight ?

It's a bit long to read, but very interesting: http://www.madeleinefoundation.org.uk/

You'll have to click left top on 'articles' and scroll down to the 7 chapters on Murat. Happy reading!