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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by Guest on 28.03.13 7:27

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@roy rovers wrote:It's starting to annoy me now this Operation Grange business. What is going on - public spending cutbacks left, right and centre and this review just cruises along with no sense of urgency or finality whilst consuming taxpayer's millions.

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Post by roy rovers on 09.07.13 21:04

PARAPHRASED FROM THE GUARDIAN - Today Keith Vaz, chair of the home affairs select committee, challenged SY assistant commissioner Cressida Dick on whether the linked Operations Elveden (inquiry into corrupt payments to public officials), Weeting and Tuleta – which have so far resulted in 126 arrests but led to only six convictions – could be described as incompetent. Dick said: "I don't think its a valid way of assessing success or otherwise particularly at this stage – the number of people convicted." She said she was "extremely satisfied" the investigations had been "very competent".

Hopefully soon SY will have to answer the same question on Operation Grange - competent or incompetent.

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Post by russiandoll on 10.07.13 9:53

This man writes in the USA and there is regular ref to him on twitter, where I got the link for what is below. I have put *** by a remark I do not understand as I have never heard or read about a 9 p.m. alarm being raised. I have read reports of an alarm before 10 p.m. but not an hour earlier.

        
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Freind: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case
Published: Tuesday, July 09, 2013
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By CHRIS FREIND
Times Columnist
In past columns, I have championed Don Imus keeping his job, defended Barry Bonds’ achievements and stood up for the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players long before it was “fashionable” for the media to do so. I even opined that Paris Hilton was wrongly jailed, receiving unfair treatment because she was a celebrity.

But no matter how much I try, I simply cannot find anything worth defending about British couple Gerry and Kate McCann.

The McCanns, for a reason that wholly escapes me, have been worldwide media darlings since their then-3-year-old daughter, Madeleine, disappeared from a Portuguese resort in 2007. A disappearance, mind you, that was 100 percent preventable had Maddy’s parents — both well-to-do physicians — not left her alone, along with her twin 2-year-old siblings, in a ground-floor unlocked apartment not once, but repeatedly, while they sampled the local paella far from their children.

Such gross negligence should have made them pariahs, but instead, their vaunted PR machine fashioned them into something akin to “heroic victims.”

Over the years, they have raised millions, engendered the support of (misguided) icons such David Beckham and J.K. Rowling, had a private audience with the Pope, met with high-ranking staff of then-First Lady Laura Bush, wrote a book, and otherwise lavished in the limelight as globetrotting celebrities.

Along the way, lawsuits have been threatened against anyone who dared question the McCanns’ complicity in their daughter’s fate, despite significant inconsistencies in their stories. Quite sickeningly, their actual search for Maddy all too often seemed like an afterthought, as it was much cooler to hang with stars and dignitaries than do the grunt work.

Yet for all the baggage that should accompany them, their star power still shines bright, as the Scotland Yard, upon the direction of Prime Minister David Cameron himself, just re-opened the investigation, citing new leads and “persons of interest.”

Really? After six years and millions of British taxpayers’ money later, they finally have persons of interest?

Aren’t there laws on the books in Britain against child endangerment? Reckless behavior? Negligence? And to those who say Britain can’t prosecute for a crime committed overseas, you can’t have it both ways, as British investigators are reaching out across Europe in a (likely ill-fated) attempt to interrogate and possibly have suspects arrested in other countries.

The headlines all read that Maddy was kidnapped, yet there is no evidence — none — of that.  


It seems increasingly clear that McCann case is no longer about what happened to a little girl, but an attempt — some say cover-up — to absolve “upstanding Brits” of any responsibility, conveniently blaming Portugal, the poor man of Europe, for a botched investigation and overall ineptness.

Looking past the gushing pro-McCann headlines, many the world over believe the parents, accidentally or otherwise, were directly responsible for Maddy’s fate. I certainly cannot make that claim, though Gerry and Kate would seem to be guilty of child endangerment. That said, there remain inconsistencies which, to this day, remain unanswered.

Therefore, if Scotland Yard wishes to retain its legendary reputation, it needs to investigate the case from Square One, objectively, free from outside influence. No sacred cows, and no one off the table. And the only way to do that is to start with Gerry and Kate, (and their friends who accompanied them that fateful night), forcing the parents to answer tough questions. The taxpayers, and those who have so faithfully followed this saga for so long, deserve no less.

You don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to ask the following:

1.) Will the McCanns and their friends take lie-detectors tests? While not guaranteed, they’re a good barometer. If there is nothing to hide, releasing the results would be a public relations boon, and the investigation could center on Madeleine — for a change.

2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing?  *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?

3.) Kate yelled, “They’ve taken her”, but how did she know Madeleine was abducted? After all, the doors were unlocked, and Madeleine was known to sleepwalk.

Or perhaps this little girl just happened to awaken, scared,in a dark, unfamiliar place, and looked for the comfort of her parents. Not seeing them, might she have walked out the unlocked door to find them? And when Kate initially yelled “they” took her, to whom was she referring?

4.) The resort was extremely child-friendly. Why not use its inexpensive baby-sitting services? Some reports state that the McCanns did not want the children to be around people with whom they were unfamiliar. Yet, the same people who ran the day camp the children attended were also the baby sitters. And how could “strangers” be any worse than leaving three young children (with a combined age of 7) alone in an unlocked apartment?

5.) How often did the parents check the children before Madeleine went missing? Every hour, half-hour, or not at all? (The statements of the resort staff differ markedly from the McCanns). Since the room was a considerable distance away from the restaurant, and its view blocked, how could the McCanns compare that “secure arrangement” to eating in their backyard garden?  

6.) During a BBC interview, Kate was adamant that the children would not awaken while she and Gerry were dining. Yet, since Madeleine reportedly had a history of sleepwalking, how could Kate be so sure of this?

7.) How many nights did the McCanns dine out while leaving the children alone? What were the distances of those restaurants from their room? Were any away from the hotel?

8.) How much money raised has actually has been allocated to the physical search for Madeleine? A thorough and independent forensic audit should be conducted.

9.) In an earlier interview, the McCanns stated, “Looking at it from where we are now, I don’t feel we were irresponsible, I feel we are very responsible parents.” Do they still feel that way?

10.) Assume that the police dog was accurate in its detection of death in the room, and the death was that of Madeleine. Why then would the perpetrator take away a dead child?

At a minimum, these questions are a logical starting point to get to the bottom of Madeleine’s disappearance.

As a wise man once said, lies reveal more than they conceal. If Scotland Yard does its job, perhaps we shall put that saying to the test.

Chris Freind is an independent commentator who operates FreindlyFireZone.com. He can be reached at CF@FreindlyFireZone.com. His column appears every Wednesday.

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by Guest on 10.07.13 10:03

@russiandoll wrote:This man writes in the USA and there is regular ref to him on twitter, where I got the link for what is below. I have put *** by a remark I do not understand as I have never heard or read about a 9 p.m. alarm being raised. I have read reports of an alarm before 10 p.m. but not an hour earlier.

        
Opinion
Freind: New questions arise about Madeleine McCann case
Published: Tuesday, July 09, 2013
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By CHRIS FREIND
Times Columnist
In past columns, I have championed Don Imus keeping his job, defended Barry Bonds’ achievements and stood up for the falsely accused Duke lacrosse players long before it was “fashionable” for the media to do so. I even opined that Paris Hilton was wrongly jailed, receiving unfair treatment because she was a celebrity.

But no matter how much I try, I simply cannot find anything worth defending about British couple Gerry and Kate McCann.

The McCanns, for a reason that wholly escapes me, have been worldwide media darlings since their then-3-year-old daughter, Madeleine, disappeared from a Portuguese resort in 2007. A disappearance, mind you, that was 100 percent preventable had Maddy’s parents — both well-to-do physicians — not left her alone, along with her twin 2-year-old siblings, in a ground-floor unlocked apartment not once, but repeatedly, while they sampled the local paella far from their children.

Such gross negligence should have made them pariahs, but instead, their vaunted PR machine fashioned them into something akin to “heroic victims.”

Over the years, they have raised millions, engendered the support of (misguided) icons such David Beckham and J.K. Rowling, had a private audience with the Pope, met with high-ranking staff of then-First Lady Laura Bush, wrote a book, and otherwise lavished in the limelight as globetrotting celebrities.

Along the way, lawsuits have been threatened against anyone who dared question the McCanns’ complicity in their daughter’s fate, despite significant inconsistencies in their stories. Quite sickeningly, their actual search for Maddy all too often seemed like an afterthought, as it was much cooler to hang with stars and dignitaries than do the grunt work.

Yet for all the baggage that should accompany them, their star power still shines bright, as the Scotland Yard, upon the direction of Prime Minister David Cameron himself, just re-opened the investigation, citing new leads and “persons of interest.”

Really? After six years and millions of British taxpayers’ money later, they finally have persons of interest?

Aren’t there laws on the books in Britain against child endangerment? Reckless behavior? Negligence? And to those who say Britain can’t prosecute for a crime committed overseas, you can’t have it both ways, as British investigators are reaching out across Europe in a (likely ill-fated) attempt to interrogate and possibly have suspects arrested in other countries.

The headlines all read that Maddy was kidnapped, yet there is no evidence — none — of that.  


It seems increasingly clear that McCann case is no longer about what happened to a little girl, but an attempt — some say cover-up — to absolve “upstanding Brits” of any responsibility, conveniently blaming Portugal, the poor man of Europe, for a botched investigation and overall ineptness.

Looking past the gushing pro-McCann headlines, many the world over believe the parents, accidentally or otherwise, were directly responsible for Maddy’s fate. I certainly cannot make that claim, though Gerry and Kate would seem to be guilty of child endangerment. That said, there remain inconsistencies which, to this day, remain unanswered.

Therefore, if Scotland Yard wishes to retain its legendary reputation, it needs to investigate the case from Square One, objectively, free from outside influence. No sacred cows, and no one off the table. And the only way to do that is to start with Gerry and Kate, (and their friends who accompanied them that fateful night), forcing the parents to answer tough questions. The taxpayers, and those who have so faithfully followed this saga for so long, deserve no less.

You don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to ask the following:

1.) Will the McCanns and their friends take lie-detectors tests? While not guaranteed, they’re a good barometer. If there is nothing to hide, releasing the results would be a public relations boon, and the investigation could center on Madeleine — for a change.

2.) What time was Madeleine discovered missing?  *** Was it 9 o’clock, as Kate states, or 10 o’clock as others report, and why the discrepancy? How long did it take for anyone to initially call the police, as there are reports of a significant delay. Kate stated that the shutters were forced open, but the police and hotel staff said there was no evidence of tampering. And Kate, why, upon discovering that your daughter was missing, did you return to the restaurant, leaving the 2-year-old twins alone (again!), while a predator could still have been lurking nearby?

3.) Kate yelled, “They’ve taken her”, but how did she know Madeleine was abducted? After all, the doors were unlocked, and Madeleine was known to sleepwalk.

Or perhaps this little girl just happened to awaken, scared,in a dark, unfamiliar place, and looked for the comfort of her parents. Not seeing them, might she have walked out the unlocked door to find them? And when Kate initially yelled “they” took her, to whom was she referring?

4.) The resort was extremely child-friendly. Why not use its inexpensive baby-sitting services? Some reports state that the McCanns did not want the children to be around people with whom they were unfamiliar. Yet, the same people who ran the day camp the children attended were also the baby sitters. And how could “strangers” be any worse than leaving three young children (with a combined age of 7) alone in an unlocked apartment?

5.) How often did the parents check the children before Madeleine went missing? Every hour, half-hour, or not at all? (The statements of the resort staff differ markedly from the McCanns). Since the room was a considerable distance away from the restaurant, and its view blocked, how could the McCanns compare that “secure arrangement” to eating in their backyard garden?  

6.) During a BBC interview, Kate was adamant that the children would not awaken while she and Gerry were dining. Yet, since Madeleine reportedly had a history of sleepwalking, how could Kate be so sure of this?

7.) How many nights did the McCanns dine out while leaving the children alone? What were the distances of those restaurants from their room? Were any away from the hotel?

8.) How much money raised has actually has been allocated to the physical search for Madeleine? A thorough and independent forensic audit should be conducted.

9.) In an earlier interview, the McCanns stated, “Looking at it from where we are now, I don’t feel we were irresponsible, I feel we are very responsible parents.” Do they still feel that way?

10.) Assume that the police dog was accurate in its detection of death in the room, and the death was that of Madeleine. Why then would the perpetrator take away a dead child?

At a minimum, these questions are a logical starting point to get to the bottom of Madeleine’s disappearance.

As a wise man once said, lies reveal more than they conceal. If Scotland Yard does its job, perhaps we shall put that saying to the test.

Chris Freind is an independent commentator who operates FreindlyFireZone.com. He can be reached at CF@FreindlyFireZone.com. His column appears every Wednesday.

Have given this post above it's own thread, rd, so any replies to above post can be placed in that thread in Latest News.

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Post by sheila.edwards on 10.07.13 20:56

I cant understand why, if so want to clear their names, they changed mind about lie detector test apparently they can be 98% ! also the fund from day one has been wrong way round IMO.Family Fund stategy has been clear parents name 1st then find maddy when if find maddy name cleared so why other way around still is beyond my comprehension. You would think board in charge of fund would have objected as so much money wasted IMO:spin:spin

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Post by Guest on 12.07.13 19:25

I've just realised that Scotland Yard is an anagram of "dastardly con"...........

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Post by aquila on 12.07.13 19:28

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I've just realised that Scotland Yard is an anagram of "dastardly con"...........

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 or...randy old cats big grin

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 14.07.13 8:48

IMO The review is simply an information gathering excercise to establish exactly what the PJ know.

The British stonewalled the PJ and now expect the PJ to cooperate with them.

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Post by sheila.edwards on 15.07.13 0:05

agree, but as investigation now will have to act properly, with all information gathered now hopefully ! Don't think public will put up with anymore whitewashes uk

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Post by sheila.edwards on 15.07.13 2:02

Cherry Blossom wrote:
@jd wrote:
@roy rovers wrote:It's starting to annoy me now this Operation Grange business. What is going on - public spending cutbacks left, right and centre and this review just cruises along with no sense of urgency or finality whilst consuming taxpayer's millions.

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it does feel like fund is some kind of pyramid business, not search fund! always thought they had some kind of delusion of grandeur issues and ?what  wider agenda was in reality.like most, just hope child found or what really did happen and  they go away soon and SY sort all crimes out!

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Post by Guest on 15.07.13 12:38

Fund Objectives
The full objects of the Fund are:

  • To secure the safe return to her family of Madeleine McCann who was abducted in Praia da Luz, Portugal on Thursday 3rd May 2007;

    To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

    To provide support, including financial assistance, to Madeleine's family.

  • If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere


http://gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/FUND_COMMITTEE.htm

If the fund objectives are still the same as in 08. 09. 2009 are they still asking for donations to support the family?

Donate untill Madeleine is returned safely?

Donate untill abduction is investigated, and those identified brought to justice?

Does anyone else read it this way?

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Post by tigger on 15.07.13 13:01

I'd love a legal person to have a look at those conditions lets call them a, b, c and d.

C is the tricky one I think because there is no limit, number or reason given to cease giving support to the family, including financial support.

A and B could come to be redundant because if e.g. a dead paedophile's full confession is found  of  Madeleine's abduction and subsequent demise, then both A and B are no longer reasons to keep the Ltd. Co. asking for donations.

D is still dependent on C as far as I can see, so that assistance to similar cases may never happen as long as the family decides that financial support is still necessary.

Neat. Even if the basic premise of abduction is debatable.

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Post by Angelique on 15.07.13 13:20

I think "A" is an anomaly because if we believe the dogs (Sandra) then "A" can't arise so it can never be fulfilled. It will stand for ever as a reason to donate. Mind it is hot today and my brain is slightly frazzled!

B This will not happen IMO unless they intend to take the Government on.

C Well whose to say when anyone worldwide would not feel compassion to the point of contributing - Gerry did say the "wider Agenda" which presumably means global - at least I remember the global push mentioned.

Finally "D" - well children go missing world wide so this stands for ever as well.

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Post by Guest on 15.07.13 13:57

Thanks tigger & Angelique, it just seems has if they have got all bases covered, imo they knew Madeleine wouldn't be found thats why the fund was set up so quickly and they were skint, so they used Madeleine has a gravy train, they are so dispicable. How many of the public knew the fund objectives? The MSM & CM pushed the boat out saying it was for searching for Madeleine, how many of the public who donated or still do now know the funds objectives?

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Post by Hobs on 15.07.13 20:27

To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

 I know it is very naughty of me to nit pick over the fund and to doubt their version of events, however i couldn't help but think...

Will this lead to kate and gerry being prosecuted via their own fund?

Maddie was allegedly abducted whilst she was left home alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign town and country.

Surely the abduction as claimed could not have taken place if kate and gerry had either dropped them off at the evening creche, hired or made use of the babysitters provided or at least locked all doors and windows and closed appropriate shutters to stop anyone getting out or getting in.

With this in mind, kate and gerry  played a part in assisting the alleged abductor by sedating the children, leaving them home alone in an unlocked apartment of which they had no clear view of the back of the building and none of the front, failing to maintain regular checks as claimed, refusing to cooperate with the investigation fully and openly, to whit, the 48 questions and the reconstruction.

By acting as they have done since day 1 that have actively assisted the alleged abductor, in pursuence of his crimes and subsequent investigation.

Since the tapas 7 have also refused full co-opertation, lied about checks and so on they too are assisting the perpetrator.


Wouldn't it be fun if the fund was used to fully investigate the mccanns and the tapas 7 laugh 

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Post by sheila.edwards on 15.07.13 21:07

Well the SY investigation has no end date eighter :spin:What will happen is there never was an abductor one wonders ? Also what about asking for refunds for the dogy detectives they hired. I don't understand it all really or how now investigation again that fund is allowed to stay open imo Safer for the good kind people who support this family fund then if wish to, can continue again when investigation completed.

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Post by Casey5 on 15.07.13 21:08

Hobs,

I don't believe the children were ever left alone.
Neglect = possible abduction ( but only a little bit neglect, checking very regularly!! so McCanns can still be saints)
No neglect = no possibility of abduction (coupled with the elephant in the room -  those dastardly dogs-
The McCanns facing a prison sentence because where is Madeleine?)

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Post by Guest on 16.07.13 9:34

If the above objects are fulfilled then the objects of the Foundation shall be to pursue such purposes in similar cases arising in the United Kingdom, Portugal or elsewhere

When the objects are fulfilled than they will start looking for other abducted children, so they are still going to ask for donations for themselves and sod all the other missing children. absolute shame on them.

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Post by sheila.edwards on 16.07.13 10:49

noted IF used, not when objectives fulfilled. dear lord, looks like that has no end date as well:spin:

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Post by sheila.edwards on 16.07.13 10:56

@Hobs wrote:To procure that Madeleine's abduction is thoroughly investigated and that her abductors, as well as those who played or play any part in assisting them, are identified and brought to justice; and

 I know it is very naughty of me to nit pick over the fund and to doubt their version of events, however i couldn't help but think...

Will this lead to kate and gerry being prosecuted via their own fund?

Maddie was allegedly abducted whilst she was left home alone in an unlocked apartment in a foreign town and country.

Surely the abduction as claimed could not have taken place if kate and gerry had either dropped them off at the evening creche, hired or made use of the babysitters provided or at least locked all doors and windows and closed appropriate shutters to stop anyone getting out or getting in.

With this in mind, kate and gerry  played a part in assisting the alleged abductor by sedating the children, leaving them home alone in an unlocked apartment of which they had no clear view of the back of the building and none of the front, failing to maintain regular checks as claimed, refusing to cooperate with the investigation fully and openly, to whit, the 48 questions and the reconstruction.

By acting as they have done since day 1 that have actively assisted the alleged abductor, in pursuence of his crimes and subsequent investigation.

Since the tapas 7 have also refused full co-opertation, lied about checks and so on they too are assisting the perpetrator.


Wouldn't it be fun if the fund was used to fully investigate the mccanns and the tapas 7 laugh 
yes great fun,precious fund dosent seem to have helped maddy to much shes missing still! money not everything, would that be up to the board then to give the ok!

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by plebgate on 16.07.13 21:01

With millions already gone into the fund, Sy on the case, and Mr. earning a very, very, good salary I would not donate a penny to the fund (not that I did in the first place), but I really cannot see why they need financial help now in their search for Maddie.

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by Guest on 17.07.13 8:28

@plebgate wrote:With millions already gone into the fund, Sy on the case, and Mr. earning a very, very, good salary I would not donate a penny to the fund (not that I did in the first place), but I really cannot see why they need financial help now in their search for Maddie.

I so agree, why isn't the fund objectives made more public, then people can decide for themselves if they want to donate. I don't look at their web page, I wonder if the objectives are there?

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by Guest on 17.07.13 12:16

Just come across this piece.

It is possible to prosecute a British citizen for a murder or
manslaughter abroad under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. This
was last done in 2005 when Christopher Newman was convicted at the Inner
London Crown Court of murdering Georgina Eager in Dublin.

Does anyone know if this Act is still in force?

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by sallypelt on 17.07.13 13:16

Cherry Blossom wrote:Just come across this piece.

It is possible to prosecute a British citizen for a murder or
manslaughter abroad under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. This
was last done in 2005 when Christopher Newman was convicted at the Inner
London Crown Court of murdering Georgina Eager in Dublin.

.

Does anyone know if this Act is still in force?

The Offences against the Person Act 1861 (24 & 25 Vict c 100) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Although it has been substantially amended, it continues to be the foundation for prosecuting personal injury, short of murder, in the courts of England and Wales.

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by sallypelt on 17.07.13 13:18

@sallypelt wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:Just come across this piece.

It is possible to prosecute a British citizen for a murder or
manslaughter abroad under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861. This
was last done in 2005 when Christopher Newman was convicted at the Inner
London Crown Court of murdering Georgina Eager in Dublin.

.

Does anyone know if this Act is still in force?

The Offences against the Person Act 1861 (24 & 25 Vict c 100) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
Although it has been substantially amended, it continues to be the foundation for prosecuting personal injury, short of murder, in the courts of England and Wales.

Murder or manslaughter abroad.E+W+N.I.Where any murder or manslaughter shall be committed on land out of the United Kingdom, whether within the Queen’s dominions or without, and whether the person killed were a subject of Her Majesty or not, every offence committed by any subject of Her Majesty in respect of any such case, whether the same shall amount to the offence of murder or of manslaughter, . . . F1, may be dealt with, inquired of, tried, determined, and punished . . . F1 in England or Ireland . . . F1: Provided, that nothing herein contained shall prevent any person from being tried in any place out of England or Ireland for any murder or manslaughter committed out of England or Ireland, in the same manner as such person might have been tried before the passing of this Act.

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