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Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by sallypelt on 17.07.13 13:23

For those who have the patience to go through the legal document/s in reference to ,Offences Against the Person Act 1861, here is the link:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/9

It appears that changes have yet to be made to some parts of the Act, but are in progress.

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by Guest on 17.07.13 13:58

@sallypelt wrote:For those who have the patience to go through the legal document/s in reference to ,Offences Against the Person Act 1861,  here is the link:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/9

It appears that changes have yet to be made to some parts of the Act, but are in progress.

Thanks for all your info sallypelt, not looked yet but will give it a go.

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Post by sallypelt on 17.07.13 14:46

Cherry Blossom wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:For those who have the patience to go through the legal document/s in reference to ,Offences Against the Person Act 1861,  here is the link:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/9

It appears that changes have yet to be made to some parts of the Act, but are in progress.

Thanks for all your info sallypelt, not looked yet but will give it a go.

Just spoke to my law student daughter, and this is what she's said, in a nutshell, in regards to the Act.

The part of the Act of interest to the forum is that:

any person who kills a British citizen abroad, whether or not the person who kills is British or not, they can be tried in this country, provided there is reason why that person can't be tried in the country the crime was committed. So, as far as the Portuguese are concerned, It will be up to the Portuguese to either try the person or persons in Portugal, or agree for them to be tried in the UK.

As my daughter has said, this is a very basic explanation of the Act.

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by sheila.edwards on 17.07.13 16:50

I think a trial anywhere, is needed in case. imo just fact that maddy is still missing in such a high profile case is evidence to some, she most probably is not alive. also the evidence so far seen even, all cannot be totally ignored surely cant all be ignored ! with parents behaviour, even to Refusing to take lie detector test that would have helped search so they could be simply quickly eliminated etc,  gives impression that some kind of accident happened which was covered up IMO If the abductors, existed that were photfitted surely with her eye colomboma and unless they live in countyside with no neighbours, most of Portugal will have been searched in these kind of areas, by now, one would assume, how could such a child be hidden for so long if alive ! Search was damaged by hype and imo  mothers refusal to answer questions to help and both wanting it to be a political case so early on and not willing, to  simply take a lie detector test even so focus could have quickly got back onto SEARCH finding Child with abductor. dosent seem to make sense to me or any logic so cant understand why parents and T7 are not persons of interest by SY. one hopes they know why and so will Court/ public in end.SY have all the info.experience and have experts to seek advice from until a court with jury and judges check all info.They will decide outcome and not sy.who a lot of public have not much confidence in at present with all there problems.

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Post by Guest on 18.07.13 9:30

@sheila.edwards wrote:I think a trial anywhere, is needed in case. imo just fact that maddy is still missing in such a high profile case is evidence to some, she most probably is not alive. also the evidence so far seen even, all cannot be totally ignored surely cant all be ignored ! with parents behaviour, even to Refusing to take lie detector test that would have helped search so they could be simply quickly eliminated etc,  gives impression that some kind of accident happened which was covered up IMO If the abductors, existed that were photfitted surely with her eye colomboma and unless they live in countyside with no neighbours, most of Portugal will have been searched in these kind of areas, by now, one would assume, how could such a child be hidden for so long if alive ! Search was damaged by hype and imo  mothers refusal to answer questions to help and both wanting it to be a political case so early on and not willing, to  simply take a lie detector test even so focus could have quickly got back onto SEARCH finding Child with abductor. dosent seem to make sense to me or any logic so cant understand why parents and T7 are not persons of interest by SY. one hopes they know why and so will Court/ public in end.SY have all the info.experience and have experts to seek advice from until a court with jury and judges check all info.They will decide outcome and not sy.who a lot of public have not much confidence in at present with all there problems.

Thanks sheila.edwards, and thanks to your daughter for putting the Act in a nut shell.

I entirely agree with your comments, It's been six years now and people are not has gulible has they were in falling for the McCanns version of events thanks to the internet. There is a complete blackout by the MSM of reporting anything that goes against what the McCanns have said, I question who autherised the blackout? or is there a super injunction out. The press will know the truth they will have read the PJ files, The Truth of the Lie and many forums but they can't say, so they treat us "Like mushrooms and feed us a load of S**T"

SY have many bridges to build, lets hope this is one bridge where they will "Tell the Truth the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth"

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by Guest on 24.07.13 14:06

@sallypelt wrote:
Cherry Blossom wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:For those who have the patience to go through the legal document/s in reference to ,Offences Against the Person Act 1861,  here is the link:

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100/section/9

It appears that changes have yet to be made to some parts of the Act, but are in progress.

Thanks for all your info sallypelt, not looked yet but will give it a go.

Just spoke to my law student daughter, and this is what she's said, in a nutshell, in regards to the Act.

The part of the Act of interest to the forum is that:

any person who kills a British citizen abroad, whether or not the person who kills is British or not, they can be tried in this country, provided there is reason why that person can't be tried in the country the crime was committed. So, as far as the Portuguese are concerned, It will be up to the Portuguese to either try the person or persons in Portugal, or agree for them to be tried in the UK.

As my daughter has said, this is a very basic explanation of the Act.

 soz sallypelt got my names mixed up, thanks again for info, and thanks for your daughters nutshell.

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Sub judice

Post by Pyewacket on 23.09.13 23:15

One factor that arises as far as I can see, is that given the large number of (experienced) detectives on the Operation Grange team, their progress, if any, is proceeding at a glacial pace. After two years or more, and the millions of pounds spent, there has been no dawn raids, arrests, or as far as we know any Interviews under Caution. This to me smacks of a sham investigation. Perhaps the real purpose is to keep the whole matter in a state of Sub Judice, so that any comments are disallowed, as they may be construed as influencing the ongoing investigations. Although the press are publishing articles supporting the McCann's case. No comments are ever allowed in the papers linking to the articles. Is this censorship, and an obfuscation of our democratic rights, or a recognition and respect for legal principles.
 
In particular, the timing of the SY review seems opportune. Not so long after the lifting of the ban against Snr Amaral's book, as it would prevent any meaningful discussion of the facts in the British press.

Basically, £5m to keep the lid on it.

PS: If you Google Operation Grange and read some of the content they speak about being "Open and Transparent"...Oh well..dream on

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Post by comperedna on 24.09.13 17:22

But WHY WHY WHY would that be the case? Precisely WHAT is being protected or covered up? I have very good reason to know the PM is personally an honourable man, however much I dislike his politics. It would be a feather in his cap to clear this case up and genuinely find out what happened to Madeleine.  All the corruption, whatever it was, did not happen on his watch. He would not mind a bit if previous regimes are dropped in the brown stuff.

I guess quite a fair proportion of people on here are assuming he was railroaded into Operation Grange, with all those almost retired senior policeman going through them motions, if that is what they are doing. I don't buy that. All that money in a time of austerity? Even if it is a 100% kosher investigation, it would still be a very expensive use of scarce resources, though proBably justifiable. If it IS a whitewash and seen to be so, it will be SCANDALOUS, and the PM will get the backwash and he will look very bad too.

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Post by marconi on 24.09.13 18:22

I really believe in the Operation Grange's honesty. If they were not honest, they would not have started an investigation. They could have said that gyspies took Madeleine to Rumenia etc, etc.

(Gypsies have already dozens of children, why taking an extra one with them?)
It is more than Obvious that the British government want to get rid of the McCanns otherwise they would continue being a pain in their a...
They are fed up of that obsessive compulsive behaviour of the parents.
Besides the PJ would never have accepted the involvement of the Yard in their business.

If they accepted it, it is because they pointed to the light at the end of the tunnel. And the Yard has to go through the same road, full of curves, to arrive at the same conclusion: the child died and the body was concealed.

And don't forget that Brooks' intention was selling more papers in the future.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 26.09.13 10:10

How can it be a no holds barred pursuit of truth if only one scenario is being investigated (I heard one of the investigators saying that the T9 are not on the list of suspects)?   If there is no evidence of abduction and a fair number of pointers in the direction of people close to the child not being entirely truthful (conflicting and changing statements) surely that avenue of investigation must also be pursued with the same gusto?  The reconstruction refused by the T9 would be a priority as it could clarify the inconsistencies and potentially put to bed the latter line of inquiry.  Given the statistics on child abduction one would have thought that evidentially eliminating the family and friends  from suspicion would be one of the first things to do (and probably the most cost effective). However, I think there is too much info out on the net for SY to get away with a whitewash  so I am hopeful that truth will out here eventually.

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Post by Cristobell on 26.09.13 11:45

@Truthandjustice wrote:How can it be a no holds barred pursuit of truth if only one scenario is being investigated (I heard one of the investigators saying that the T9 are not on the list of suspects)?   If there is no evidence of abduction and a fair number of pointers in the direction of people close to the child not being entirely truthful (conflicting and changing statements) surely that avenue of investigation must also be pursued with the same gusto?  The reconstruction refused by the T9 would be a priority as it could clarify the inconsistencies and potentially put to bed the latter line of inquiry.  Given the statistics on child abduction one would have thought that evidentially eliminating the family and friends  from suspicion would be one of the first things to do (and probably the most cost effective). However, I think there is too much info out on the net for SY to get away with a whitewash  so I am hopeful that truth will out here eventually.
The McCanns wanted a REVIEW, not an investigation, and were probably counting on a Review to clear them so they could get the Fund up and running again with an official stamped 'no evidence Madeleine has come to any harm'.  

It has all gone horribly wrong as we can see from the dramatic change in their appearance at this year's anniversary vigil. 

A whitewash is simply not possible, there are too many people involved.  Relationships change and break down. All of their lives and careers are affected by whatever happened on 3rd May 2007.  Michael Wright has not done himself, his family or his career any good whatsoever, by revealing himself as a 'monitor' (troll) for the McCanns.  Jane Tanner's evidence has no credibility whatsoever - we can only imagine her interview with a seasoned homicide detective. David Payne is living with paedophile allegations against him that have never been challenged or disproved.  

The Fund doesn't stand up to scrutiny, there is no named Administrator, no employees, no sign of the book proceeds, no breakdown of income or outgoings and definitive proof that any 'searching' has been, or is, going on.  Some might think the Fund has been used to protect the parents from criminal charges and to pervert the course of justice.  Scotland Yard cannot ignore this.

Someone said on this site that Scotland Yard may be allowing their Portuguese counterpart, Goncalo Amaral, to clear his name with this libel trial.  I think there may well be some truth in that.  Police the world over must be wondering why the detective who investigated the case of a missing child, is in the dock with his livelihood threatened by former suspects who have never been cleared!

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Post by marconi on 26.09.13 11:50

@Cristobell wrote:
@Truthandjustice wrote:How can it be a no holds barred pursuit of truth if only one scenario is being investigated (I heard one of the investigators saying that the T9 are not on the list of suspects)?   If there is no evidence of abduction and a fair number of pointers in the direction of people close to the child not being entirely truthful (conflicting and changing statements) surely that avenue of investigation must also be pursued with the same gusto?  The reconstruction refused by the T9 would be a priority as it could clarify the inconsistencies and potentially put to bed the latter line of inquiry.  Given the statistics on child abduction one would have thought that evidentially eliminating the family and friends  from suspicion would be one of the first things to do (and probably the most cost effective). However, I think there is too much info out on the net for SY to get away with a whitewash  so I am hopeful that truth will out here eventually.
The McCanns wanted a REVIEW, not an investigation, and were probably counting on a Review to clear them so they could get the Fund up and running again with an official stamped 'no evidence Madeleine has come to any harm'.  

It has all gone horribly wrong as we can see from the dramatic change in their appearance at this year's anniversary vigil. 

A whitewash is simply not possible, there are too many people involved.  Relationships change and break down. All of their lives and careers are affected by whatever happened on 3rd May 2007.  Michael Wright has not done himself, his family or his career any good whatsoever, by revealing himself as a 'monitor' (troll) for the McCanns.  Jane Tanner's evidence has no credibility whatsoever - we can only imagine her interview with a seasoned homicide detective. David Payne is living with paedophile allegations against him that have never been challenged or disproved.  

The Fund doesn't stand up to scrutiny, there is no named Administrator, no employees, no sign of the book proceeds, no breakdown of income or outgoings and definitive proof that any 'searching' has been, or is, going on.  Some might think the Fund has been used to protect the parents from criminal charges and to pervert the course of justice.  Scotland Yard cannot ignore this.

Someone said on this site that Scotland Yard may be allowing their Portuguese counterpart, Goncalo Amaral, to clear his name with this libel trial.  I think there may well be some truth in that.  Police the world over must be wondering why the detective who investigated the case of a missing child, is in the dock with his livelihood threatened by former suspects who have never been cleared!
Cristobell, you are my best friend.

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Post by ultimaThule on 09.10.13 0:04

candyfloss wrote:I'm still trying to keep positive about this review.  Firstly, they have to be seen to be checking everything, all angles, leaving no stone unturned so to speak, to cover themselves against any accusation of just looking in one direction.  I am almost sure, they will have interviewed those closely connected to that night, or will do in the near future.  We did have those headlines about the Tapas 7 being re-interviewed.  I supposed Andy Redwood, has to check into everything, otherwise any defence can bring up these things and say they were leads but not investigated.  The only thing that didn't seem right was AR parking his bum on the breakfast sofa and giving interviews.  I have never seen that in any case before.  However, this could be  a tactic, whilst people are looking here, the police are actually looking elsewhere?  As Snifferdog said, the element of surprise.  Still hopeful, especially with confidence in the police at an all time low, and with leveson, and all the arrests for payments and corruption happening, I just cannot see how anyone would even attempt to cover this up.  These things always come out in the end and it would totally ruin SY. I just have to believe and keep the faith with our boys in blue.
The Met's finest have been judged and found wanting on occasions too numerous to mention.  There are many who can't believe the walls of NSY are still standing, let alone housing the same corrupt incompetent bums sitting on the same - or higher ranking - chairs.  Google Sapphire for a recent view of the tip of the rotten iceberg.

As for Andy Redor-Deadwood, I can't decide whether he's a good poker player or is simply po-faced in public in the style of the McCs.  I find it somewhat disconcerting to think that he may be grinning inanely wreathed in smiles when meeting up with the gruesome twosome to 'update' them.

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Post by mysterion on 21.12.13 11:28

A lot of time has elapsed since  the new investigations started. I don`t know all the details of all the SY activity but the thought occured to me. Is there any real evidence that any actual investigation is going on? Has there been any reporting of anyone being questioned? Has there been any reporting of SY visiting anywhere with cameras and notebooks? 
Basically, is it purely a political exercise in appearing to do something?

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Post by Casey5 on 21.12.13 17:20

@mysterion wrote:A lot of time has elapsed since  the new investigations started. I don`t know all the details of all the SY activity but the thought occured to me. Is there any real evidence that any actual investigation is going on? Has there been any reporting of anyone being questioned? Has there been any reporting of SY visiting anywhere with cameras and notebooks? 
Basically, is it purely a political exercise in appearing to do something?
I very much doubt there will be mysterion . It all seems very cloak and daggers. There has never been any reports of friends, neighbours, colleagues of any of the tapas 7, never mind Kate and Gerry, with any little stories or titbits or expressing any opinion at all.
I would think there must be an injunction in place.
You would think the Portuguese judiciary would have something to say if Scotland Yard were doing nothing so I guess they are, very slowly, inching their way forward.
Having said that, they must be the slowest force on earth, how long can it take to interview 30 odd people, they could have dug up half of Portugal the time they've taken. big grin

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Post by Guest on 21.12.13 18:02

We shouldn't forget that this looks like a case, where they only get one shot ... IMO they'll save their ammunition, until they have a target clear enough in their visor to make that shot - by a marksman.

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Post by mysterion on 21.12.13 18:50

It  seems to me that the SY investigation is a mystery in itself. I have never known anything like it. If there was an injunction, then I would have thought that would have to be in the public domain. Otherwise, a local newspaper could pick a news item and publish in good faith and be found in contempt.

I noticed in stark contrast that the police officer in charge of the Jayden case pulled no punches about his assumptions and  kept the parents at a distance. Seemed like a new policy. Has something fundemental happened to the conduct of enquiries  after recent cases involving the disappearance of minors.

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Post by Mirage on 21.12.13 22:38

"... how long can it take to interview 30 odd people, they could have dug up half of Portugal the time they've taken." big grin


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It shouldn't matter how odd they are, Casey. big grin 

People are people. They are either telling the truth or they are not. If they are not  truthful and consistent, you remove kid gloves, move forward without fear or favour, let or hindrance, and do what the police are, and always have been paid to do - that is, identify the culprit/s.

 Preferably in the same century as the crime was committed.

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Post by marconi on 22.12.13 0:09

I said it before and I say it again and my theory is the following:

The fund is shot down for a very serious reason. Its goal was to search for Madeleine because "there is a very good possibility that she is still alive". There wasn't any concrete proof that she was dead and no legal argument to shoot it down.
Something happened and for the first time British authorities are showing their teeth to the McCanns.
There could be a serious evidence of her death otherwise the fund would still exist.
I wonder if her body has being found, if the autopsy is going on right now and I know that it can take very long, especially after so many years.
Perhaps after the autopsy conclusion, the police will pressure the McCanns again, demanding their explanation
about what pathologists eventually found in the child's body.


By the way, Gerry praying like an arab(crying):

My theory is that he had to make his trousers dirty on a dry ground. He could have left the body on a sandy place, or a place with earth, an he was afraid that the police would ask him to explain eventual dirt on the pants.

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Post by MayMuse on 03.05.16 12:52

@T4two wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:
@T4two wrote:British law is quite clear on this point and there are sufficient precedences - British courts can exercise jurisdiction for crimes which are committed against British citizens irrespective of whether the crime was committed at home or abroad, if sufficient grounds exist to indicate that the crime was perpetrated by a British citizen or citizens. This does not interfere in any way shape or form with the jurisdiction of the police and courts in the country where the crime was committed.
This is very interesting. Are you saying that British courts can exercise jurisdiction for crimes abroad only if both the victim and the perpetrator(s) are British citizens? What if then there is not sufficient evidence to prove such crime was perpetrated by British citizens but thought just as likely committed by a person(s) of another nationality, for example, by a non-British abductor? In other words, is it possible that SY are seen to be so ineffective precisely because they adhere to the abduction theory purported by the McCanns which largely excludes the likelihood of the crime being committed by British citizens?

1. To the first part of your question: The following is from the current CPS website. I am actually wrong in maintaining that the victim must also be British. Apparently this is not so - it is sufficient that the perpetrators of the crime or those suspected of such crime be British. (apologies for the rather haphazard result of cut and paste - a formatting problem)



Resolving jurisdictional
conflicts



Where the offence occurred on
a single territory



Generally, an offence will only be triable in the jurisdiction in which the
offence takes place, unless there is a specific provision to ground
jurisdiction, for instance where specific statutes enable the UK to exercise
extra-territorial jurisdiction:



  • sexual offences against children (section 72 of
        the Sexual Offences Act 2003) A new section 72 was substituted by the
        Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 which came into effect from 14
        July 2008 onwards. It is important to ensure that any prosecution is
        brought under the provision in force at the time the alleged conduct
        occured as the terms of the substantive provisions and details of the
        offences they cover are not identical;
  • murder and manslaughter (subsection 9 and 10 of
        the Offences Against the Person Act 1861)

  • fraud (the 2006 Act imposes extra territorial
        jurisdiction in respect od offences in subsection. 1, 6, 7, 9 and 11 of
        the Fraud Act 2006) and dishonesty (Criminal Justice Act 1993 Part 1 still
        applies to the remaining unrepealed sections of the Theft Act 1968);
  • terrorism (subsection 59, 62-63 of the Terrorism
        Act 2000 and section 17 of the Terrorism Act 2006);
  • bribery (The Bribery Act 2010 repeals the common
        law and the statutory offences of corruption. For future offences the
        Bribery Act imposes extra-terratorial jurisdiction although section 109 of
        the Anti-terrorism Crime and Security Act 2011 still exists in respect of
        offences committed wholly or partially before 1 July 2011


http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/jurisdiction/








Subsection 9 and 10 of the
Offences Against the Person Act 1861

9 Murder or
manslaughter abroad.






Where any
murder or manslaughter shall be committed on land out of the United Kingdom,
whether within the Queen’s dominions or without, and whether the person killed
were a subject of Her Majesty or not, every offence committed by any subject of
Her Majesty in respect of any such case, whether the same shall amount to the
offence of murder or of manslaughter, . . . F9, may be dealt with, inquired of,
tried, determined, and punished . . .  in
England or Ireland
. . . : Provided, that nothing herein contained shall
prevent any person from being tried in any place out of England or Ireland for
any murder or manslaughter committed out of England or Ireland, in the same
manner as such person might have been tried before the passing of this Act.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/24-25/100


To the second part of your question: The following is a statement made under oath by the Assistant Chief Constable of Leicestershire before the Family Court, judge Hogg, as reason for not releasing the Leicestershire Constabulary files to the McCanns following their application to the court after their return to England.



“While one or both of them may be innocent, there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine's disappearance."
In other words, both of them are suspects. If this was valid then and still is valid, then the English police are duty-bound to carry out a full investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. A full investigation - not a so-called review.
Thank you, bumping it as the "law" information and the quote at the end is still valid!!! Which is why my vote is 'definitely not' judging by the 'farce' we have witnessed so far!

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Re: Is Operation Grange, the 37-strong Scotland Yard Review Team reviewing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, a wholehearted, no-holds-barred search for the truth?

Post by HelenMeg on 05.05.16 20:31

Good - the way things appear to be going - good - and THANKS.

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Post by Verdi on 05.05.16 20:38

@Richard D. Hall wrote:Today I informed Scotland Yard about my films.

WOW!  I'm liking it - add this to Tony Bennett's detailed submission to 10 Downing Street, things at last moving in the right direction.  Thank you for your tireless hard word, dedication and determination.

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Post by sandancer on 05.05.16 20:55

I wonder how many at Scotland Yard are fully aware of these films Hmm? Or should that be how many are unaware ?

I venture to suggest that the officers who donated to Mr Amarals appeal certainly were !

Thank you for all the time and hard work you have put into this Mr Hall  bravo

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Post by wjk on 05.05.16 21:35

@Richard D. Hall wrote:Today I informed Scotland Yard about my films.


Thank you richard  x

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