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Has D.C.I. Andy Redwood's Team been given the conclusions of Donal McIntyre's cold case review?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 28.05.12 19:42

Surely one of the most brilliant and perceptive analyses of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann ever carried out was that done in 2009 by expert criminologist and detective, Donal Macintyre (also TV personality).

In fact, he carried out what he claimed was a full 'cold case review' on the case.

In this short, concise YouTube video - link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwzIxpQgfs


...the conclusions reached by Donal McIntyre were as follows:

1. This was carried out by a 'highly organised' team

2. At least two perpetrators were involved

3. They must have had prior acces to the layout of the apartment (5A)

4. They must have been 'well-versed in the art of housebreaking'

5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

And Donal Macintyre also informs us, within this short video, that the perpetrators had these four major problems to negotiate:

1. They had to hide for up to 10 minutes in Apartment 5A whilst Dr Gerald Mcann was in the same apartment

2. They had to subdue Madeleine

3. They had to get her out of a small window, which required two people, and

4. They had to get her away from the apartment and away from the vicinity without being seen by anyone.

Donal Macintyre concludes that it was highly likely that 'they' cleaned up the crime scene after abducting (or 'kidnapping' as he puts it) Madeleine AND that this proves that this was 'not the work of an opportunistic drifter'.

Amazingly, this penetrating analysis has only been viewed by 2,633 people to date, over a period of nearly 3 years. Surely this masterly presentation deserves a much wider audience?

Peope watching this video are asked to 'phone their local police staion, the Madeleine Fund, or the Sunday Express.

One hopes that D.C.I. Redwood and his team had early access to this fascinating analysis; no doubt this could save them much time.

Oh, and a couple of other points.

The Sunday Express billed this as a 'World Exclusive'.

And there is a more 'in-depth' analysis of Donal Macintyre's analysis also available.

If you want it.

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Re: Has D.C.I. Andy Redwood's Team been given the conclusions of Donal McIntyre's cold case review?

Post by Nina on 28.05.12 19:56

@Tony Bennett wrote:Surely one of the most brilliant and perceptive analyses of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann ever carried out was that done in 2009 by expert criminologist and detective, Donal Macintyre (also TV personality).

In fact, he carried out what he claimed was a full 'cold case review' on the case.

In this short, concise YouTube video - link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLwzIxpQgfs


...the conclusions reached by Donal McIntyre were as follows:

1. This was carried out by a 'highly organised' team

2. At least two perpetrators were involved

3. They must have had prior acces to the layout of the apartment (5A)

4. They must have been 'well-versed in the art of housebreaking'

5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

And Donal Macintyre also informs us, within this short video, that the perpetrators had these four major problems to negotiate:

1. They had to hide for up to 10 minutes in Apartment 5A whilst Dr Gerald Mcann was in the same apartment

2. They had to subdue Madeleine

3. They had to get her out of a small window, which required two people, and

4. They had to get her away from the apartment and away from the vicinity without being seen by anyone.

Donal Macintyre concludes that it was highly likely that 'they' cleaned up the crime scene after abducting (or 'kidnapping' as he puts it) Madeleine AND that this proves that this was 'not the work of an opportunistic drifter'.

Amazingly, this penetrating analysis has only been viewed by 2,633 people to date, over a period of nearly 3 years. Surely this masterly presentation deserves a much wider audience?

Peope watching this video are asked to 'phone their local police staion, the Madeleine Fund, or the Sunday Express.

One hopes that D.C.I. Redwood and his team had early access to this fascinating analysis; no doubt this could save them much time.

Oh, and a couple of other points.

The Sunday Express billed this as a 'World Exclusive'.

And there is a more 'in-depth' analysis of Donal Macintyre's analysis also available.

If you want it.

Oooops it's there now, the link, titter

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Post by Guest on 28.05.12 20:53

I'm wondering if Donal is actually a McCann sceptic in disguise as this masterly presentation has laid bare the absolute nonsense of the official story for the world to see!

Please tell me he wasn't actually being serious!


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Donal Macintyre is an important, accredited journslaist, and is therefore incapable of talking rubbish.

Post by Tony Bennett on 28.05.12 21:05

Jean wrote:I'm wondering if Donal is actually a McCann sceptic in disguise as this masterly presentation has laid bare the absolute nonsense of the official story for the world to see!

Please tell me he wasn't actually being serious!
But Donal Macintyre is already a serious journalist. So we simply must take his conclusions seriously. AND he has been on telly before. Someone so important would hardly make a laughing stock of himself by spouting complete rubbish as a sort of 'spoof'.

Would he?

Do people seriously not recognise how easy it is (at least for 'experienced housebreakers well versed in the art of housebreaking') to lie doggo in someone's holiday apartment for at least 10 minutes without Dr Gerald McCann noticing anything? (even though, on his own account, he visited all four rooms on his visit, including spending an unusually long time on the loo).

There is one little niggle about Donal Macintyre's analysis, though. Why did these experienced housebreakers, having waltzed in unnoticed by the unlocked patio door, not go out the same way?

Maybe the answer lies in Macintyre's 'in-depth' dossier.

And just one more niggle.

Presumably no-one in Praia da Luz saw either of the perpetrators, and Jane Tanner only saw one?

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.05.12 22:08

Jean wrote:I'm wondering if Donal is actually a McCann sceptic in disguise as this masterly presentation has laid bare the absolute nonsense of the official story for the world to see!

Please tell me he wasn't actually being serious!

Jean I am quite sure there ARE sceptic journo's out ther, whether or not Dongle is or not I wouldn't like to say.
HOWEVER, I would like to know what his excuse would be for Gerry not noticing th abductor all the time they were in the same apartment together. Was Gerry so inebriayted on NZ wine, perhaps, that he thought the 'intruder' was an unusually large pot plant, perhaps?

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Re: Has D.C.I. Andy Redwood's Team been given the conclusions of Donal McIntyre's cold case review?

Post by Tony Bennett on 28.05.12 22:23

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
Jean wrote:I'm wondering if Donal is actually a McCann sceptic in disguise as this masterly presentation has laid bare the absolute nonsense of the official story for the world to see!

Please tell me he wasn't actually being serious!
Jean I am quite sure there ARE sceptic journo's out ther, whether or not Dongle is or not I wouldn't like to say.
HOWEVER, I would like to know what his excuse would be for Gerry not noticing th abductor all the time they were in the same apartment together. Was Gerry so inebriayted on NZ wine, perhaps, that he thought the 'intruder' was an unusually large pot plant, perhaps?
rainbow-fairy, I'm reminded of that song by the Dubliners, back in the 70s, titled, 'Seven Drunken Nights'.

One verse, as I recall, went as follows:

Well, as I came home on a Tuesday night
As drunk as drunk could be
I saw two boots beneath the bed
Where my old boots should be

So I called my wife and I said to her
Would you kindly tell to me
Who own those boots beneath the bed
Where my old boots should be?

Ah! you're drunk, you're drunk, you silly old fool
Still you cannot see
That's two lovely geranium pots

Me mother sent to me


Well, there's many a day I've travelled
A hundred miles or more
But laces on geranium pots...
Sure I never saw before.

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Jean, he either is a 5th colon or he's stupid ...

Post by Guest on 28.05.12 22:34

Jean wrote:I'm wondering if Donal is actually a McCann sceptic in disguise as this masterly presentation has laid bare the absolute nonsense of the official story for the world to see!

Please tell me he wasn't actually being serious!


I seem to have problems posting, so I repeat:

Jean, he's either a 5th colon or he's stupid ...

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.05.12 22:36

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:
Jean wrote:I'm wondering if Donal is actually a McCann sceptic in disguise as this masterly presentation has laid bare the absolute nonsense of the official story for the world to see!

Please tell me he wasn't actually being serious!
Jean I am quite sure there ARE sceptic journo's out ther, whether or not Dongle is or not I wouldn't like to say.
HOWEVER, I would like to know what his excuse would be for Gerry not noticing th abductor all the time they were in the same apartment together. Was Gerry so inebriayted on NZ wine, perhaps, that he thought the 'intruder' was an unusually large pot plant, perhaps?
rainbow-fairy, I'm reminded of that song by the Dubliners, back in the 70s, titled, 'Seven Drunken Nights'.

One verse, as I recall, went as follows:

Well, as I came home on a Tuesday night
As drunk as drunk could be
I saw two boots beneath the bed
Where my old boots should be

So I called my wife and I said to her
Would you kindly tell to me
Who own those boots beneath the bed
Where my old boots should be?

Ah! you're drunk, you're drunk, you silly old fool
Still you cannot see
That's two lovely geranium pots

Me mother sent to me


Well, there's many a day I've travelled
A hundred miles or more
But laces on geranium pots...
Sure I never saw before.
Wink
Love it! And what a band to quote from, fab :)

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Post by jd on 28.05.12 23:14

5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

I am trying to work out how in 3-5 mins the abductor had time to drug the twins so they didn't wake (re Dianne Webster statement), then allowing time for the drugs to take effect, then get the duster and polish out to do a quick clean around the apartment, finding a bucket and filling it up with washing up liquid to do some washing down cleaning, put all away undetected (wouldn't there be prints and DNA on the cleaning products), open the bedroom window, jemmy the sonically 'loud' shutters open, not leaving any footprints on the bed sheets whilst using his full weight on the bed to lever himself through the shutters, and all before finally escaping with Maddie...all the while in 3-5 mins, with gerry mccann and jez wilkins just outside the apartment on a very quiet street.....mmmmmmmm perhaps Donal Macintyre could explain?

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Post by ShuBob on 28.05.12 23:28

As far as I'm concerned, Donal and his mate Mark Williams-Thomas take the proverbial with their nonsensical theories and in the process insult Maddie's memory. They should be ashamed of themselves.

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Donal Macintyre is a pathetic, lazy hack (says someone else, not me!)

Post by Tony Bennett on 28.05.12 23:38

@ShuBob wrote:As far as I'm concerned, Donal and his mate Mark Williams-Thomas take the proverbial with their nonsensical theories and in the process insult Maddie's memory. They should be ashamed of themselves.
ShuBob, here's a Macintyre-sceptic laying into Donal good and proper, and rightly so: http://bocktherobber.com/2009/10/tv3s-donal-macintyre-the-laziest-journalist-in-ireland/

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Post by Gillyspot on 29.05.12 6:55

Donal tweeted re the McCann case saying the "dogs are notoriously unreliable"

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Post by tigger on 29.05.12 6:58

@jd wrote:
5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

I am trying to work out how in 3-5 mins the abductor had time to drug the twins so they didn't wake (re Dianne Webster statement), then allowing time for the drugs to take effect, then get the duster and polish out to do a quick clean around the apartment, finding a bucket and filling it up with washing up liquid to do some washing down cleaning, put all away undetected (wouldn't there be prints and DNA on the cleaning products), open the bedroom window, jemmy the sonically 'loud' shutters open, not leaving any footprints on the bed sheets whilst using his full weight on the bed to lever himself through the shutters, and all before finally escaping with Maddie...all the while in 3-5 mins, with gerry mccann and jez wilkins just outside the apartment on a very quiet street.....mmmmmmmm perhaps Donal Macintyre could explain?

But I have recently read an even better scenario (was that Merrymo?) where the dogs' evidence was accepted and explained thus:

Two intruders as before - this time a couple desperate for a child, during the kidnap the child fell behind the sofa and died on the spot. They then cleaned up and left with the body - don't even ask why!

RB gave me an idea - they could see the bushes but not the balcony very well from the Tapas Bar - of course! One or both of the abductors were disguised as bushes. Wel,l it's no worse than many of the scenarios given by the McCanns.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.05.12 7:31

@tigger wrote:
@jd wrote:
5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

I am trying to work out how in 3-5 mins the abductor had time to drug the twins so they didn't wake (re Dianne Webster statement), then allowing time for the drugs to take effect, then get the duster and polish out to do a quick clean around the apartment, finding a bucket and filling it up with washing up liquid to do some washing down cleaning, put all away undetected (wouldn't there be prints and DNA on the cleaning products), open the bedroom window, jemmy the sonically 'loud' shutters open, not leaving any footprints on the bed sheets whilst using his full weight on the bed to lever himself through the shutters, and all before finally escaping with Maddie...all the while in 3-5 mins, with gerry mccann and jez wilkins just outside the apartment on a very quiet street.....mmmmmmmm perhaps Donal Macintyre could explain?

But I have recently read an even better scenario (was that Merrymo?) where the dogs' evidence was accepted and explained thus:

Two intruders as before - this time a couple desperate for a child, during the kidnap the child fell behind the sofa and died on the spot. They then cleaned up and left with the body - don't even ask why!

RB gave me an idea - they could see the bushes but not the balcony very well from the Tapas Bar - of course! One or both of the abductors were disguised as bushes. Wel,l it's no worse than many of the scenarios given by the McCanns.
My spelling was TERRIBLE last night! Forgot to spell check it - was walking the rottie as I was typing and he spotted a cat!!!

Seriously, if 'superman abductor' is ever found, instead of prison he could be sentenced to tidy my house. That'd be worse than a Thai jail Wink

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Post by tigger on 29.05.12 8:01

I'm only throwing these other options into the mix as the sole objective of this very expensive exercise is to give the parents 'closure'.

So would a couple of well-meaning, partially blind (they missed Amelie) abductors do? They meant well, went wrong, cleaned up, agony over.

I try not to read about the review - we've been kicked in the face with hob-nailed boots for years - to teach us the truth according to the powers-that-be -
now they're are also hitting below the belt so to speak. The one and only institution we could rely on to look for the truth has been and is still - best mates with the chief suspects. Suspects who have never been cleared.


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Post by bobbin on 29.05.12 8:23

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@jd wrote:
5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

I am trying to work out how in 3-5 mins the abductor had time to drug the twins so they didn't wake (re Dianne Webster statement), then allowing time for the drugs to take effect, then get the duster and polish out to do a quick clean around the apartment, finding a bucket and filling it up with washing up liquid to do some washing down cleaning, put all away undetected (wouldn't there be prints and DNA on the cleaning products), open the bedroom window, jemmy the sonically 'loud' shutters open, not leaving any footprints on the bed sheets whilst using his full weight on the bed to lever himself through the shutters, and all before finally escaping with Maddie...all the while in 3-5 mins, with gerry mccann and jez wilkins just outside the apartment on a very quiet street.....mmmmmmmm perhaps Donal Macintyre could explain?

But I have recently read an even better scenario (was that Merrymo?) where the dogs' evidence was accepted and explained thus:

Two intruders as before - this time a couple desperate for a child, during the kidnap the child fell behind the sofa and died on the spot. They then cleaned up and left with the body - don't even ask why!

RB gave me an idea - they could see the bushes but not the balcony very well from the Tapas Bar - of course! One or both of the abductors were disguised as bushes. Wel,l it's no worse than many of the scenarios given by the McCanns.
My spelling was TERRIBLE last night! Forgot to spell check it - was walking the rottie as I was typing and he spotted a cat!!!

Seriously, if 'superman abductor' is ever found, instead of prison he could be sentenced to tidy my house. That'd be worse than a Thai jail Wink

And then he could come and do mine.......that would represent a 'life' sentence.

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Post by Guest on 29.05.12 9:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RCnV0JxLHg

Here's Seven Drunken Nights which I dedicate both to Donal MacIntyre and to the Tapas 9 who have all obviously had quite a few of those!

Even today it doesn't seem to be possible to find the two banned verses - I believe that one involved a carrot so better say no more......

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.05.12 10:00

@bobbin wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@jd wrote:
5. They must have had the ability to clean a crime scene, and

6. They had just 3 to 5 minutes in which to perpetrate their crime.

I am trying to work out how in 3-5 mins the abductor had time to drug the twins so they didn't wake (re Dianne Webster statement), then allowing time for the drugs to take effect, then get the duster and polish out to do a quick clean around the apartment, finding a bucket and filling it up with washing up liquid to do some washing down cleaning, put all away undetected (wouldn't there be prints and DNA on the cleaning products), open the bedroom window, jemmy the sonically 'loud' shutters open, not leaving any footprints on the bed sheets whilst using his full weight on the bed to lever himself through the shutters, and all before finally escaping with Maddie...all the while in 3-5 mins, with gerry mccann and jez wilkins just outside the apartment on a very quiet street.....mmmmmmmm perhaps Donal Macintyre could explain?

But I have recently read an even better scenario (was that Merrymo?) where the dogs' evidence was accepted and explained thus:

Two intruders as before - this time a couple desperate for a child, during the kidnap the child fell behind the sofa and died on the spot. They then cleaned up and left with the body - don't even ask why!

RB gave me an idea - they could see the bushes but not the balcony very well from the Tapas Bar - of course! One or both of the abductors were disguised as bushes. Wel,l it's no worse than many of the scenarios given by the McCanns.
My spelling was TERRIBLE last night! Forgot to spell check it - was walking the rottie as I was typing and he spotted a cat!!!

Seriously, if 'superman abductor' is ever found, instead of prison he could be sentenced to tidy my house. That'd be worse than a Thai jail Wink

And then he could come and do mine.......that would represent a 'life' sentence.
Its a deal, bobbin Wink

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.05.12 10:43

Thank you for the link Tony from the disgruntled Irish person. Who rates Dongle about as much as I do.

This bit is so typical and really wound me up;

SNIPPEDIn the TV3 documentary, the camera closes in on children tearing apart a burnt-out car and follows two hooded children driving a motorbike on a pedestrian footpath while Donal provides the commentary.  Those children were encouraged by TV3 to commit crime for the camera.

[Update: it later emerged that TV3 used stock footage of feral  children they filmed in Dublin two years ago. ]

SNIPPED


TV3 pays children to commit crime, denounces it, and holds its nose against my town.


Reminds me of a tactic used by another McCann supporter, Jez Wilkins, during My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding ~ encourage the children to dance as provocatively as possible, as many fights and racist language as possible - cut, air and sit back and wait for the Daily Mail Massive to kick-off. That is NOT the travelling culture I recognise and I know a lot of people were angered BUT people MUST learn that docu-makers don't want TRUTH, they want SENSATIONALISM!!!

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Post by tigger on 29.05.12 11:49

It's very simple - first the documentary is written, scripted and financed. Then you find the people who for little money and no equity fee, will perform to order - according to the script.
Reality doesn't come into it.

Even better, if you want to change an existing reality, such as written in police files and media articles, you make your very own reality documentary and guess what?
You can whoosh the curtains all you like, you can go in through any door you like and you can see through walls from a distance of 49.4 meters. You can accurately describe the persona you yourself have created.
Where is that Bafta award?

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