KEVIN HALLIGEN EXTRADITION DECISION - Issued on the internet tomorrow (23 May) around 10.00am

jd wrote:
LOL I do like Ian Hislop! I wish he was free to speak what he really knows

ShuBob wrote:I'm coming out of hibernation to make the point that despite all the negative stories about Halligen in the press perpertuated by the McCanns, Halligen may have actually PERFORMED the duties he was HIRED to do for the McCanns. Has anyone seen a copy of his contract? How can you then say confidently he "conned" them? What about Metodo 3? Did they also con the couple?

To cut a long story short, I believe Metodo 3, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley and all the other assorted characters the McCanns have employed have actually done what they were hired to do which has NOTHING to do with "finding" Maddie. What that is, one can only guess!

ShuBob wrote:I'm coming out of hibernation to make the point that despite all the negative stories about Halligen in the press perpertuated by the McCanns, Halligen may have actually PERFORMED the duties he was HIRED to do for the McCanns. Has anyone seen a copy of his contract? How can you then say confidently he "conned" them? What about Metodo 3? Did they also con the couple?

To cut a long story short, I believe Metodo 3, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley and all the other assorted characters the McCanns have employed have actually done what they were hired to do which has NOTHING to do with "finding" Maddie. What that is, one can only guess!

PeterMac wrote:

ShuBob wrote:I'm coming out of hibernation to make the point that despite all the negative stories about Halligen in the press perpertuated by the McCanns, Halligen may have actually PERFORMED the duties he was HIRED to do for the McCanns. Has anyone seen a copy of his contract? How can you then say confidently he "conned" them? What about Metodo 3? Did they also con the couple?

To cut a long story short, I believe Metodo 3, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley and all the other assorted characters the McCanns have employed have actually done what they were hired to do which has NOTHING to do with "finding" Maddie. What that is, one can only guess!

It is a good and valid point.
The pure guesses might include
• keeping the "Fund" going by a pretence at investigation
• keeping the money coming in by inventing "sightings"
* keeping the public's concentration away from awkward facts
• money laundering, by taking "donated funds and relocating it elsewhere for future use
and so on and on.

*

Tony Bennett wrote:

jd wrote:Let me get this right...Halligen cons £500,000 of public monies and gets UK legal aid to protect himself!!!
Why aren't the directors of 'No Stone Unturned' Ltd being questioned for the grave lack of judgement with their usage of public donated monies (TWICE)...they have a duty of responsibility to the public that it is being used wisely
This country has gone past the point of ridicule and corruption

Hallligen...
1. Got £500,000 plus expenses from the McCann Team - and found NOTHING of interest, whilst spending much time drinking in a London club and living it up in 5-star hotels in New York and London with his girlfriend Shirin Trachioitis...
2...not to mention being found in a £700-a-night Oxfordshire hotel when he was arrested...
3...Oh, and he owed thousands of pounds in unpaid hotel bills at the time he was arrested...
4...allegedly defrauded a U.S. company of $2 million, for which the U.S. has been trying to extradite him for four long years (and more years to come, no doubt)...
5...was involved in numerous other cons and frauds (exposed in some of the articles 'candyfloss' referred to further up this thread)...
6...used the services of various companies whilst employed by the McCanns and then didn't pay their bills (it is not known whether the Find Madeleine Fund paid these defrauded companies their bills, as this is one of the Fund's many secrets)...
7...Halligen even underwent a bogus marriage in the U.S....
8...He failed to follow up any calls to the McCanns' investigation hotline whilst employed by the McCanns in 2008, according to the Managing Director of Virginia-based company iJet...
9...has (according to reports) had tens of thousands of legal aid spent on him...
10...is about to complete 949 days of continuous imprisonment in a British jail...
11...and yet one of Britain's leading media manipulators, Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for the McCanns, employed right at the top by Labour Prime Ministers, Conservative Party leaders and Rupert Murdoch's son-in-law, was allowed to get away by the mainstream British media with describing Halligen's one-man-band Oakley International, formed AFTER Madeleine McCann was reported missing, as 'the big boys of international private detection'...

PeterMac wrote:

The "Fund" is in England, and subject to English law, and investigable by English Fraud Squad detectives, and prosecutable by the English Crown Prosecution Service, and tried by an English Judge with an English jury, under English criminal law.
Not a sardine in sight.

tigger wrote:

ShuBob wrote:I'm coming out of hibernation to make the point that despite all the negative stories about Halligen in the press perpertuated by the McCanns, Halligen may have actually PERFORMED the duties he was HIRED to do for the McCanns. Has anyone seen a copy of his contract? How can you then say confidently he "conned" them? What about Metodo 3? Did they also con the couple?

To cut a long story short, I believe Metodo 3, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley and all the other assorted characters the McCanns have employed have actually done what they were hired to do which has NOTHING to do with "finding" Maddie. What that is, one can only guess!

100% with you there!

sharonl wrote:

tigger wrote:

ShuBob wrote:I'm coming out of hibernation to make the point that despite all the negative stories about Halligen in the press perpertuated by the McCanns, Halligen may have actually PERFORMED the duties he was HIRED to do for the McCanns. Has anyone seen a copy of his contract? How can you then say confidently he "conned" them? What about Metodo 3? Did they also con the couple?

To cut a long story short, I believe Metodo 3, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley and all the other assorted characters the McCanns have employed have actually done what they were hired to do which has NOTHING to do with "finding" Maddie. What that is, one can only guess!

100% with you there!

Me too, but what was he employed to do?

Please correct me if I am wrong but the only evidence that we have of Halligen conning the McCanns is via the great British gutter press, very credible.

Even if Halligen was paid £500,000, how is he supposed to have "conned" the McCanns - what did he actually do? How could it be classed as a con?

Who was responsible for his employment?

Was he checked out?

Why was he paid such a large amount so soon? Why not monthly instalments depending on how he was doing?

Why was he paid via one of Kennedys' companies and not directly?

Why did Clarence Mitchell say that these were "The big boys of private investgation" when the company had only just been set up, just in time for the Mccanns who were probably the only client?

Why have the McCanns not pursued this?, surely they need the money.

Where is the money now?

In this particular case, as far as I am concerned, Halligen is innocent until proven guilty.

Gillyspot wrote:

sharonl wrote:

tigger wrote:

ShuBob wrote:I'm coming out of hibernation to make the point that despite all the negative stories about Halligen in the press perpertuated by the McCanns, Halligen may have actually PERFORMED the duties he was HIRED to do for the McCanns. Has anyone seen a copy of his contract? How can you then say confidently he "conned" them? What about Metodo 3? Did they also con the couple?

To cut a long story short, I believe Metodo 3, Halligen, Edgar and Cowley and all the other assorted characters the McCanns have employed have actually done what they were hired to do which has NOTHING to do with "finding" Maddie. What that is, one can only guess!

100% with you there!

Me too, but what was he employed to do?

Please correct me if I am wrong but the only evidence that we have of Halligen conning the McCanns is via the great British gutter press, very credible.

Even if Halligen was paid £500,000, how is he supposed to have "conned" the McCanns - what did he actually do? How could it be classed as a con?

Who was responsible for his employment?

Was he checked out?

Why was he paid such a large amount so soon? Why not monthly instalments depending on how he was doing?

Why was he paid via one of Kennedys' companies and not directly?

Why did Clarence Mitchell say that these were "The big boys of private investgation" when the company had only just been set up, just in time for the Mccanns who were probably the only client?

Why have the McCanns not pursued this?, surely they need the money.

Where is the money now?

In this particular case, as far as I am concerned, Halligen is innocent until proven guilty.

IMO Shubob means (& I agree) that Halligen was employed to "appear" to be "searching" - Nothing more nothing less. Remember by then having shared nothing Metado3 were doing (apart from Madeleine "being home by Christmas"there was no need to do any more. If K& G were serious about searching they would have found an internationally renowned company (with many successes) as they had the £ "funds" at that time but they chose to go for small companies no one had heard of & built them up in the media.

Clouseau wrote:just been reading a post on the calculated hoax thread which says he is a British citizen...

so perhaps I am mistaken I assumed that Mr Halligen being born in Dublin was a Irish National. Perhaps he has dual nationality ....quote from the Liverpool echo Feb 2010 courtesy of the Mccannfies

"At City of Westminster Magistrates' Court, yesterday, the Irish national's lawyer Mark Summers confirmed that his client would contest extradition proceedings "

I know in the grand scheme of things it perhaps is not that important but just wanted to clear it up any thoughts anybody ?

Fraud suspect Kevin Richard Halligen allegedly posed as a spy and cheated the elite on both sides of the Atlantic

Obtained by The Washington Post - Kevin Richard Halligen, who is imprisoned in London, fighting extradition to the United States, where he faces felony fraud charges stemming from his days of extravagant living in Washington high society.

Some people knew him as Kevin. He told others he was Richard. Everyone could see he had money to burn, and most people thought he was a British spy. But nobody in Washington really knew Kevin Richard Halligen, not even the woman he pretended to marry.
Halligen now sits in a London prison, fighting extradition to the United States, where he faces felony fraud charges stemming from his days of extravagant living in Washington high society.

For about three years, until 2008, Halligen spent hundreds of thousands of dollars living large in Washington. He stayed in a Willard Hotel suite for months at a time and drank the days away at pricey Georgetown restaurants. He traveled everywhere in a chauffeur-driven Lincoln Town Car, set up high-tech offices in Herndon and bought a grand home in Great Falls.

Smart, charming and favoring black turtlenecks and sunglasses, Halligen told everyone that he was a spy, or a former spy, or connected to spies. He told friends that he was under such deep cover that he took over his fiancee’s place as a “safe house.”

Virtually all of it, it turns out, was fabricated or exaggerated, according to associates who have since investigated his background. But with amazing ease and a perfect British accent, the diminutive Halligen schmoozed his way into Washington’s intelligence elite — Pentagon officials, influential lawyers and lobbyists, former CIA operatives.

And he took their money.

He set up shop as a corporate security consultant, offering his dubious “operational experience” in intelligence to solve delicate problems for customers working in dangerous places.

In a capital with a long history of spies, foreigners with shadowy backgrounds, big talkers and charlatans, Halligen didn’t set off any alarm bells at first, according to former associates. But that changed when they concluded that Halligen was taking money and not doing the work he promised.

The U.S. government obtained an indictment against him in 2009 on criminal charges of bilking a client out of $2.1 million, and judges in the District and Virginia have ordered him to pay $6.5 million to former partners who claim he fleeced them.

Halligen, through his London lawyer, declined to comment as he fights extradition to the United States in British courts.

But in dozens of interviews in Washington and London, those who knew Halligen described how he created a trail of creditors, from lawyers to landlords to housekeepers. And they said he left a group of Washington insiders wondering how one charming and audacious hustler managed to seduce them all.

“I was duped,” said John Holmes, a retired British army general who was head of the British military’s special forces.

Holmes said he met Halligen in 2002, when Halligen took an IT job at a private security consulting firm where Holmes was working after his military retirement.

Holmes, in an interview in his London office, said he knew Halligen was never a member of any intelligence service. But he worked on the periphery of that world as an engineer for companies that provided technical support — designing batteries, for example — to the British government and military.

Jean wrote:Nice one! Team McCann and their supporters will be able to claim though that, like so many other people, they were taken in by this man and had no idea he was a crook when he was first employed by them.

Holmes, in an interview in his London office, said he knew Halligen was never a member of any intelligence service. But he worked on the periphery of that world as an engineer for companies that provided technical support — designing batteries, for example — to the British government and military.

PeterMac wrote:And yet they have the gall, effrontery, impudence, impertinence, cheek, audacity, temerity, presumption, nerve, and shamelessness, to blame TB for hindering the search !!

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