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Post by Nina on 18.05.12 22:06

@sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:In the LK interview LK asks GM about work, he never says anything about being part time, only that he now does more "academic" work.

Sorry, I was fairly sure it was LK who said something along the lines of "now you work 3 days....". It has definately been mentioned in the latest round of interviews, I distinctly remember it because it struck me as handy, it leaves him four days to travel to Sweden and the likes to do his interviews. There is mention here in this link. I cannot search video clips at the moment due to internet connection problems.


http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/22459/dundee-s-catholic-church-sends-message-of-support-to-former-city-student-kate-mccann.html

Sami, I can hear it being said, so it is recent as I have only for a few weeks being able to play videos/interviews, cos I got a new pooter and Internet connection thumbup

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Post by Guest on 18.05.12 22:11

Well, cross off the ITN interview and the Sky interview, and LK, listened to all of those and not on there. Perhaps it was on Panorama documentary.

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Post by friedtomatoes on 18.05.12 22:14

OK
the videos in the recent anniversay have been

panorama, checked, nothing there
lorraine, checked, nothing there
skys martin brunt interview, youtube wont play it for me but from memory the interview was only about the review and nothing personal like work schedules
crimewatch/a redwood on there and on lorraine, no mention
i posted their very recent swedish interview transcript where kate says he works full time
could it be something kate said that she spends three days a week doing?

on that note good luck finding it people, bid you all a nice evening

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Post by sami on 18.05.12 22:15

@Nina wrote:
@sami wrote:
candyfloss wrote:In the LK interview LK asks GM about work, he never says anything about being part time, only that he now does more "academic" work.

Sorry, I was fairly sure it was LK who said something along the lines of "now you work 3 days....". It has definately been mentioned in the latest round of interviews, I distinctly remember it because it struck me as handy, it leaves him four days to travel to Sweden and the likes to do his interviews. There is mention here in this link. I cannot search video clips at the moment due to internet connection problems.


http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/22459/dundee-s-catholic-church-sends-message-of-support-to-former-city-student-kate-mccann.html

Sami, I can hear it being said, so it is recent as I have only for a few weeks being able to play videos/interviews, cos I got a new pooter and Internet connection



Thank you Nina ! I was beginning to worry I am dreaming about Gerry McCann and his interviews or something awful like that

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Post by jd on 18.05.12 22:22

Sami don't have dreams about gerry mccann...you need to see a doctor!!!!!

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Post by Nina on 18.05.12 22:44

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/22459/dundee-s-catholic-church-sends-message-of-support-to-former-city-student-kate-mccann.html

Dundee's Catholic Church sends message of support to former city student Kate McCann

The Roman Catholic Church in Dundee has expressed support for Kate McCann ahead of the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of daughter Madeleine.


By Andrew Argo
Published in the Courier : 30.04.12
Published online : 30.04.12 @ 04.40pm



Kate McCann studied medicine at Dundee University, graduating in 1992, and is understood to have closely followed her Catholic faith while a student in the city.

A spokesman for the Diocese of Dunkeld said: ''Anyone would pray for the parents of a missing child irrespective of their faith or belief. Madeleine McCann touched the hearts of everyone and especially in Dundee because her mother studied and gained her medical degree here.

''In a way this brings Madeleine's disappearance closer to home because we can identify with her mother as she lived for a spell in Dundee.''

Although her residence in Dundee was some 20 years ago, it is understood Kate regularly attended mass in the city.

The spokesman added: ''She is in our prayers.''

Originally from Liverpool, Kate Marie Healy came to Dundee University on leaving school and after five years of study at Ninewells Hospital she graduated with a MB ChB degree in 1992.

She initially specialised to become a gynaecologist but later became an anaesthetist. She met her husband Gerry McCann while employed at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow and they were married in 1998.

They had family and settled in Leicestershire where Kate became a GP and Gerry took up a post as a cardiologist. Since Madeleine's disappearance Kate gave up her practice and Gerry scaled back to working three days a week.

Born in 2003, Madeleine disappeared on May 3 2007 from the resort of Praia de Luz in the Portuguese Algarve where her family had gone for a holiday.

Scotland Yard detectives have been brought in and last week said they had uncovered new information to suggest Madeleine could be alive and living with her abductor. The senior officer leading an investigative review called on Portuguese police to reopen the case

Hmmmm this mentions the three days and is up to date 30.04.2012 and also mentions the SY review but it was something that I heard I am sure, not read.


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Post by monkey mind on 18.05.12 23:08

@Nina wrote:http://www.thecourier.co.uk/News/Dundee/article/22459/dundee-s-catholic-church-sends-message-of-support-to-former-city-student-kate-mccann.html

Dundee's Catholic Church sends message of support to former city student Kate McCann

The Roman Catholic Church in Dundee has expressed support for Kate McCann ahead of the fifth anniversary of the disappearance of daughter Madeleine.


By Andrew Argo
Published in the Courier : 30.04.12
Published online : 30.04.12 @ 04.40pm



Kate McCann studied medicine at Dundee University, graduating in 1992, and is understood to have closely followed her Catholic faith while a student in the city.

A spokesman for the Diocese of Dunkeld said: ''Anyone would pray for the parents of a missing child irrespective of their faith or belief. Madeleine McCann touched the hearts of everyone and especially in Dundee because her mother studied and gained her medical degree here.

''In a way this brings Madeleine's disappearance closer to home because we can identify with her mother as she lived for a spell in Dundee.''

Although her residence in Dundee was some 20 years ago, it is understood Kate regularly attended mass in the city.

The spokesman added: ''She is in our prayers.''

Originally from Liverpool, Kate Marie Healy came to Dundee University on leaving school and after five years of study at Ninewells Hospital she graduated with a MB ChB degree in 1992.

She initially specialised to become a gynaecologist but later became an anaesthetist. She met her husband Gerry McCann while employed at the Western Infirmary in Glasgow and they were married in 1998.

They had family and settled in Leicestershire where Kate became a GP and Gerry took up a post as a cardiologist. Since Madeleine's disappearance Kate gave up her practice and Gerry scaled back to working three days a week.

Born in 2003, Madeleine disappeared on May 3 2007 from the resort of Praia de Luz in the Portuguese Algarve where her family had gone for a holiday.

Scotland Yard detectives have been brought in and last week said they had uncovered new information to suggest Madeleine could be alive and living with her abductor. The senior officer leading an investigative review called on Portuguese police to reopen the case

Hmmmm this mentions the three days and is up to date 30.04.2012 and also mentions the SY review but it was something that I heard I am sure, not read.


I wonder who it was that reminded this particular Catholic church in Dundee of this obviously celebratory moment for them?

Was it the oh so switched on priest himself?

The Pope perhaps?

Clarence?

Or Kate?

Or a little demon on the padre's shoulder?

Lucky they had a spokesman eh?

Spokesman after spokesman.

Who I wonder, will light the Olympic flame this year?

Will it be Capes, the great Daley or Redgrave?

Or just Redwood?

Or Gerry?

They could do it together, hand in hand.

Like the Walrus and the carpenter.

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Post by jd on 19.05.12 0:13

Maybe it was Peter Neal Patterson

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PE-PA.htm

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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 6:49

From the McCannfiles:

1st November 2007
Gerry McCann returns to work at Glenfield Hospital, for 3 afternoons a week, but with no patient contact.
3/1 2008
Gerry McCann returns to full-time work today - exactly eight months after his daughter Madeleine disappeared.

Gillyspot: I thought that NHS and any permanent employer - certainly civil servants - when they get compassionte leave, they will have at least some 80% of their income continued until such time as a decision is taken whether they will come back or not.

RE the money angle:

Isn't it curious? Because what would we have expected to see?
A wave of public sympathy - lots and lots of teddy bears, toys , flowers deposited at the house or the hospital and in Rothley.
There was some of that - but compare it to the Diana hysteria.

A well-paid consultant and his wife have their child kidnapped and the first thing to do is to set up a collection box in the hospital?
The 'people wanting to send money' came early - where did that come from?

Gerry had a full time well paid job.
Kate had a part time job which would at least keept them in food I expect.
Gerry was on one or two quangos, which also pay some kind of retainer.

The mortgage was for around 350.000 - I think payments around a 1000 a month.




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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 8:09

Nina wrote this on the Priests topic, but I thought she'd put the scenario in a nutshell - hard to do!
Nina wrote:

tigger wrote: I just lifted this from ' a Estrala de...'

Benedict XVI was the high point of a campaign that had started much earlier, with the visible and well publicized visits at the church in Luz, constantly appealing to religion and to God. The visit to the Vatican represented a conquest for those that were coordinating the pro-McCann campaign; yet, nothing could be done when that State decided to redraw all references to Madeleine from their official site, a clear message that they wanted to distance themselves from the case.

unquote.

Nina wrote:

No offence to any form of religion, but in their case it was the icing on the cake, parents who adored each other, lovely children, respected professionals and church goers.
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Re: All possible scenarios

Post by sweetex on 19.05.12 8:34

@tigger

This reply to you landed up on page 1. I would like to know what you think, so I am pasting it again.

@sweetex wrote:
@tigger wrote:You're living up to you name Sweetex! Re the 'found her gone' I'm sure that's another myth - I know I've seen one clip where it ran on - but in any case that remark can be interpreted in different ways. I just added bits to prop up possible scenarios.

tbh i agree it could be a myth. I have had lots of time on my hands the past few days and read a lot about the case and re-reading certain things. That was one line I came accross in the past 24 hours thats why I remembered it. Don't get me wrong its not that I believe anything I read on every blog. It was just something I picked up on, and it kind of made sense to me.

@tigger wrote:It was always about the money, why should they start collecting from day 1?

I think the same could be asked for:

1) why did they call the press before even calling the police
2) Why did they make calls to people in high rank positions in the first few hours
3) The website was set up in a record time too

Everything they did was to divert. The fund too. IMO. It was all just part of it. They knew they will have to make it big to take all attention of them. And that was exactly what they did.

@tigger wrote:No, this was planned, by somebody who just thought he was clever. Not really. But he had clever and importants friends. It wasn't just the money - imo it looks very much as if it was going to be a new life. Rich famous and ambassadors for lost children everywhere. It almost worked - they really hate Amaral for that reason alone.

I don't think it takes that much time to plan. If you take my theory, and let's say the "incident" happened on the 1st. How long does it take to make a list of what to do? It is very clear that they know quite a few VIP's. So its quite easy to get the Tapas7 together, or maybe even only 1 or 2 of them and make a list (probably written on another page on M's sticker book - which disgusts me). My point is to plan "recovery of a disaster" could not take long. They are all highly intellectual people. They even had time maybe to google a few cases and look up some information. So the list would be:

Create a fund so people donate (and yes that can help us with our mortgage)
Create a website to make people aware withl helpline numbers and whatnot
Call the press and make a worldwide scene.
And probably Gerry mentioned to Kate: and we should some kind of "Arab prayer' to make people believe we are devout Catholics.
Oh and we should ask for a priest to make it real
etc

There is just to many inconsistencies not only in their statements, but with this whole thing to have had it planned. Why was it not properly planned then? Everybody involved in this plan would have known exactly what to say when, including Tanner's bundleman. I'm sure if this was planned bundleman would have "looked" and "act" totally different.

Maybe give me an example of what your line of thinking is what they planned and what went wrong?

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Post by sweetex on 19.05.12 8:36

@tigger

LOL sorry, just saw your pvt message. Still early here ooops

Thanks

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Post by Nina on 19.05.12 10:16

I have just watched the interview that took place in Sweden and Kate clearly says that Gerry works full time so I want to say that I am mistaken with the three days working week, sorry for passing on incorrect information. I cannot locate where I got it from and this will be like a nagging toothache and I shall still search splat

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Post by PeterMac on 19.05.12 10:37

@Nina wrote:I have just watched the interview that took place in Sweden and Kate clearly says that Gerry works full time so I want to say that I am mistaken with the three days working week, sorry for passing on incorrect information. I cannot locate where I got it from and this will be like a nagging toothache and I shall still search splat

p. 284/5 "..,Gerry returned to work at Glenfield Hospital on a part-time basis from November (full-time from January 2008),..."

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Post by Nina on 19.05.12 10:50

@PeterMac wrote:
@Nina wrote:I have just watched the interview that took place in Sweden and Kate clearly says that Gerry works full time so I want to say that I am mistaken with the three days working week, sorry for passing on incorrect information. I cannot locate where I got it from and this will be like a nagging toothache and I shall still search splat

p. 284/5 "..,Gerry returned to work at Glenfield Hospital on a part-time basis from November (full-time from January 2008),..."

Hi PeterMac, yes I knew about the previous part time then going full time, but I have been referring to it as a more recent set up. Just cannot find where I have got it from so have apologized for the duff info.

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.05.12 11:05

Gerry McCann is a man of many jobs it seems. He works at Glenfield Hospital
"Medical Qualifications: BSc (Hons); MBChB, MRCP, Dip.Sp.Med, MD

Special clinical interests: Cardiac imaging, cardiomyopathy and valvular heart disease

Research interests: Pathophysiology of left ventricular hypertrophy, Aortic stenosis, applications of cardiac MRI

Current NHS and /or university posts held and length of time in post:
Consultant Cardiologist/Honorary Senior Lecturer- appointed July 2005

Year of first medical qualification: 1992

Current membership(s) of professional, national and regional bodies:
BSCMR (board member), BCS, BSE, SCMR

An interesting fact about Gerry:
He has a University Blue for athletics and holds a Diploma in Sports Medicine"

http://www.glenfieldheartcentre.nhs.uk/welcome/about-the-centre/staff-profiles/consultant-biographies/mccann-biography

Privately at Spire Healthcare

"Background Information
Professional profile:
Dr McCann graduated from Glasgow University and after working in New Zealand for one year he returned to Glasgow to begin cardiology training and completed his research degree (MD) in cardiopulmory excercise testing. After moving to Leicester in 2000, to continue general cardiology training, Dr McCann continued his interest in non-interventional cardiology and was awarded a European Society of Cardiology Fellowship to train in MRI at Amsterdam in 2004.
His clinical interests are the assessment and management of coronary artery disease, heart failure, cardiomyopathy and valvular disease.
Personal profile:
Dr McCann is a keen sportsman and has represented Scotland at various levels in both cross country and middle distance running. He is married with three young children and naturally has less time for sporting activities although keeps fit by regulary cycling to work."

http://spire.cubeworks.co.uk/Leicester/Our-Facilities-Treatments-and-Consultants/Our-Consultants/Dr-Gerry-McCann/

And is a senior lecturer at Leicester University

"Consultant Cardiologist/Honorary Senior Lecturer"

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

ETA not counting all his paid research - see papers at bottom of University link

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Post by tiny on 19.05.12 11:18

Seems gerry is not short of a few bob then with all these jobs,so why the fund

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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 11:53

@ Gillyspot He wouldn't be paid for writing those articles, it's usually a condition of the University that a senior lecturer has to publish.

Of the 10 publications listed, only two are under his name alone, which is what counts. Just read one, interesting that it's more about European guidelines, hospital politics and statistics than the actual cardiology.
The other one about athletes etc. has no text, only a call for people to test. In order to write the article I presume.

I've read the one on MRI - also a condition of getting the fellowship in Amsterdam. It's all sort of standard stuff.

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.05.12 11:56

That may be so but remember Gerry has made speeches regarding his research. I am sure he would be paid for these

www.bii.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/newsletters/February_2011_Newsletter.pdf+%22gerry+mccann%22+grant+hospital+-hugh&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjVde2m1ZUZEUnKOJT2o37Hqyym5EiZ3T-XKiKT2GhBvRRBEkt2HZno-RPlbxEjD4J65lkup3jVK7QVADtfhabq7R4iEHbiCDbQAYzVMgr7Dx3aIeSHg3zlvGuOd_BtfNVzYlOU&sig=AHIEtbQ4qbMSH8cmvnFrq6_n1h54S9sNAQ" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:hdfCeTg0XWgJ:www.bii.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/newsletters/February_2011_Newsletter.pdf+%22gerry+mccann%22+grant+hospital+-hugh&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjVde2m1ZUZEUnKOJT2o37Hqyym5EiZ3T-XKiKT2GhBvRRBEkt2HZno-RPlbxEjD4J65lkup3jVK7QVADtfhabq7R4iEHbiCDbQAYzVMgr7Dx3aIeSHg3zlvGuOd_BtfNVzYlOU&sig=AHIEtbQ4qbMSH8cmvnFrq6_n1h54S9sNAQ

And another

www.bcis.org.uk/resources/CC9_ACI2012_InvitationBrochure.pdf+%22gerry+mccann%22+grant+hospital+-hugh&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShQ-WJlG1ipUb9Y8tDZzF0KmtCx3y441ydcMeGIEaFgdAG6wugiI6En4EqxZjJHlOrJRluJTvbMpbTMXlAsTJ6JS4HyXooZIKM-EH0hUx11wUG7qsGbdeYwdtUzzUIYdy8aTPBo&sig=AHIEtbQkISLN1USQAweDFRo8pQI2gGgHWw" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:mMjuhLIlcmwJ:www.bcis.org.uk/resources/CC9_ACI2012_InvitationBrochure.pdf+%22gerry+mccann%22+grant+hospital+-hugh&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEEShQ-WJlG1ipUb9Y8tDZzF0KmtCx3y441ydcMeGIEaFgdAG6wugiI6En4EqxZjJHlOrJRluJTvbMpbTMXlAsTJ6JS4HyXooZIKM-EH0hUx11wUG7qsGbdeYwdtUzzUIYdy8aTPBo&sig=AHIEtbQkISLN1USQAweDFRo8pQI2gGgHWw

Edited as didn't work first time big grin Hope this works now tigger

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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 12:07

Did something go wrong Gillyspot? Because I get 'Bad request'. Perhaps they know him?

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.05.12 12:19

Edited previous post so now should work smilie

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Post by sami on 19.05.12 14:57

@Nina wrote:I have just watched the interview that took place in Sweden and Kate clearly says that Gerry works full time so I want to say that I am mistaken with the three days working week, sorry for passing on incorrect information. I cannot locate where I got it from and this will be like a nagging toothache and I shall still search


I should add my apologies along with Nina as it was I who stated I have recently heard three days being stated, so sorry

It is odd however Nina that we both remember this and I would have bet my house it was Lorraine Kelly who said it. I accept it was not of course but it is driving me nuts.

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Post by tigger on 19.05.12 15:13

@Gillyspot wrote:Edited previous post so now should work smilie

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Post by tigger on 23.05.12 8:07

@sweetex wrote:@tigger

LOL sorry, just saw your pvt message. Still early here ooops

Thanks

You said I hadn't answered your post (Fact topic) I presume it's on this topic and I also presumed the above quote meant you considered it answered.
Or was there another one?


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Post by tigger on 23.05.12 8:24

It's occurred to me that a timeline and typology of the alleged perpetrators of the abduction might (or might not be) useful:
If we post as and when we find it, I could try and make a chronological list with refs. Here's probably the first example - I take McK to be G. McKenzie who is in the files.
Quote from topic Events of the 3rd/4th May.
About 23.00 hrs, OC guest G. McK. approached the McCann’s apartment from the bushes at the rear of the apartment. He was searching the gardens. He did not know it was the McCann’s apartment. He saw Mr Gerry McCann standing alone in the doorway at the rear of the apartment talking on his mobile telephone. Mr McCann was looking our over the swimming pool and did not see Mr McKenzie. Mr McCann was absolutely distraught telling the person receiving the call that he feared “she (Madeleine McCann) had been taken by paedophiles”. He does not know who the person receiving the calls was but presumes it to be a family member: snipped.I looked to see who I now know to be Gerry McCann stood above me on the balcony/patio about 3 metres away speaking on a mobile phone. snipped.
He said something along the lines of there being Paedophile gangs in Portugal and that they had abducted Madeleine. I was so shocked by this, having originally thought that she had just wandered off.”
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So the first entry would be:
3/5 - 23.00 - Paedophile gang has abducted Madeleine.

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