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Entertainment with cruelty thrown in

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:51 pm

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@vaguely1 wrote:Kololi,

Would you have considered your trip to the cinema to be in any way similar to these activities?

...watching cage fighting

...badger-baiting

...cock-fighting

...bull-fighting

...child pornography

...watching Christians being eaten alive by lions...
Once again, I repeat the point that all these are considered forms of entertainment by those who participate in them.

Going to watch Chitty Chitty Bang Bang or The Sound of Music, listening to Beethoven's ninth or the MacCalmans, watching Yorkshire play cricket or Hartlepool play football, a darts match or a snooker match etc. - they're all considered forms of entertainment.

The activities involved above all involve the active enjoyment of watching humans or animals suffer.

I may be wrong about badger-baiting, though, except it doesn't sound very nice. Maybe Ron Davies, the Labour MP who was caught 'badger-hunting' (cough) on the hills around Bath and on Clapham Common, would be able to help us on that one.

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Only an advisory role

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:53 pm

@Kololi wrote:You didn't send me to the naughty corner???
Only Jill does that.

I merely make recommendations.

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Re: Jon Venables back in prison

Post by Kololi on Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:56 pm

Aha I did have a dizzy moment as I think we actually agreed - we probably both would find it acceptable to send only three christians to the lions den each week......

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Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:57 pm

You've managed to reach a reasonable age without being nannied by the state. Why do you imagine that other human beings are incapable of doing the same without being restricted?

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Spy cameras in our dustbins

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:58 pm

@Kololi wrote:There should be no acceptable half way with bull fighting as a bull gets harmed for mans' amusement and that's plain wrong. Would we feel a sensible control of say 10 christians being fed alive to lions is acceptable on a once weekly basis or should it only 5 a week?
All I would say is that it's instructive to look at what any society does and does not control effectively.

It grieves me to see children as young as 10-12 being introduced to drug-taking.

Similarly, to see 18-year-olds buying cans of straong lager from the corner shop and handing it out to 13- and 14-yeard olds down the street.

And to see people on the streets of London with placards saying 'Annihilate those who insult the Prophet'.

Yet we have spy cameras in our dustbins.

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Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:06 pm

at least all those people aren't selling their souls to the devil by watching moving pictures.

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Post by Kololi on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:08 pm

@vaguely1 wrote:You've managed to reach a reasonable age without being nannied by the state. Why do you imagine that other human beings are incapable of doing the same without being restricted?

I agree with your point Vaguely but think of say drinking and driving.

Years ago people were allowed to do it and then as a result of people having been killed or badly injured by drivers under the influence of alcohol, the government placed restrictions or controls on how much is the legal limit. That is a good control by the state and whilst it is reflective of the nanny state that we have now, it was necessary as people couldn't think for themselves not to do it.

I am not sure all the controls that we have placed upon us are for the better but I do think some controls are necessary particularly those that set out to protect vulnerable people or animals that are more often than not unable to protect themselves.

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Post by Guest on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:09 pm

@vaguely1 wrote:You've managed to reach a reasonable age without being nannied by the state. Why do you imagine that other human beings are incapable of doing the same without being restricted?


I wasn't restricted by the state because in the "good old days" we didn't have such violence on the TV or in cinemas. I was bought up on films like Bambi, 101 dalmations, etc., I read Enid Blyton books, and I am proud of it. Maybe that's why I can't watch any violence of any sort now, it really upsets me. Nowadays even the childrens films have fighting and violence in them. I was watching a kiddies film the other day (the title escapes me) but it honestly scared me in places. There is no doubt, that if children are continualy watching these sort of film, then they take them as the norm like it's real life. They see nothing wrong in them. And don't get me started on all those violent video games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Daniel survives the lions

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:11 pm

@Kololi wrote:Aha I did have a dizzy moment as I think we actually agreed - we probably both would find it acceptable to send only three christians to the lions den each week......
Speaking of throwing people into the lion's den, some of the officials in the reign of Good King Darius of Persia tried to bump off Daniel by locking him up with lions for the night. Daniel had been abducted to Babylon some years earlier, along with tens of thousands of other Jews, as immortalised by Boney M in the 1980s hit single 'Rivers of Babylon'. He rose to become a sort of Chanellor of the Exchequer in the ensuing Persian/Median Empire. His opponents lived to regret their action, however:

Daniel Chapter 6

1 And Darius the Mede received the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.
2 It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom a hundred and twenty satraps, who should be throughout the whole kingdom;
3 and over them three presidents, of whom Daniel was one; that these satraps might give account unto them, and that the king should have no damage.
4 Then this Daniel distinguished himself above the presidents and the satraps, because a surpassing spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
5 Then the presidents and the satraps sought to find occasion against Daniel as touching the kingdom; but they could find no occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
6 Then said these men: 'We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him in the matter of the law of his God.'
7 Then these presidents and satraps came tumultuously to the king, and said thus unto him: 'King Darius, live for ever!
8 All the presidents of the kingdom, the prefects and the satraps, the ministers and the governors, have consulted together that the king should establish a statute, and make a strong interdict, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any god or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
9 Now, O king, establish the interdict, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.'
10 Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the interdict. 11 And when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house - now his windows were open in his upper chamber toward Jerusalem - and he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
12 Then these men came tumultuously, and found Daniel making petition and supplication before his God.
13 Then they came near, and spoke before the king concerning the king's interdict: 'Hast thou not signed an interdict, that every man that shall make petition unto any god or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions?' The king answered and said: 'The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.'
14 Then answered they and said before the king: 'That Daniel, who is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the interdict that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.'
15 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him; and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
16 Then these men came tumultuously unto the king, and said unto the king: 'Know, O king, that it is a law of the Medes and Persians, that no interdict nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.'
17 Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spoke and said unto Daniel: 'Thy God whom thou servest continually, He will deliver thee.'
18 And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that nothing might be changed concerning Daniel.
19 Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting; neither were diversions brought before him; and his sleep fled from him.
20 Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
21 And when he came near unto the den to Daniel, he cried with a pained voice; the king spoke and said to Daniel: 'O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?'
22 Then said Daniel unto the king: 'O king, live for ever!
23 My God hath sent His angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, and they have not hurt me; forasmuch as before Him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.'
24 Then was the king exceeding glad, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he had trusted in his God.
25 And the king commanded, and they brought those men that had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and they had not come to the bottom of the den, when the lions had the mastery of them, and broke all their bones in pieces.
26 Then king Darius wrote unto all the peoples, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth: 'Peace be multiplied unto you.
27 I make a decree, that in all the dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel; for He is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and His dominion shall be even unto the end;
28 He delivereth and rescueth, and He worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth; who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.' 29 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

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Desensitisation

Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:16 pm

candyfloss wrote:I wasn't restricted by the state because in the "good old days" we didn't have such violence on the TV or in cinemas. I was bought up on films like Bambi, 101 dalmations, etc., I read Enid Blyton books, and I am proud of it. Maybe that's why I can't watch any violence of any sort now, it really upsets me.

A natural and correct reaction.

Nowadays even the childrens films have fighting and violence in them. I was watching a kiddies film the other day (the title escapes me) but it honestly scared me in places.

Again, a natural and correct reaction.

There is no doubt, that if children are continually watching these sort of film, then they take them as the norm like it's real life. They see nothing wrong in them. And don't get me started on all those violent video games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We have been desensitised and accept certain things as 'normal' when we really shouldn't.

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Re: Jon Venables back in prison

Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:18 pm

@Kololi wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:You've managed to reach a reasonable age without being nannied by the state. Why do you imagine that other human beings are incapable of doing the same without being restricted?

I agree with your point Vaguely but think of say drinking and driving.

Years ago people were allowed to do it and then as a result of people having been killed or badly injured by drivers under the influence of alcohol, the government placed restrictions or controls on how much is the legal limit. That is a good control by the state and whilst it is reflective of the nanny state that we have now, it was necessary as people couldn't think for themselves not to do it.

I am not sure all the controls that we have placed upon us are for the better but I do think some controls are necessary particularly those that set out to protect vulnerable people or animals that are more often than not unable to protect themselves.

Take care


It is a good control, but to say that people 'couldn't' think for themselves is a bit of a broad brush statement.

There were no restrictions (as far as I am aware) so this isn't comparable to films and alcohol which have restrictions placed on them already.

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Post by Kololi on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:19 pm

Yep Daniel and the lions and the Good Samaritan were my favourite bible stories when I was younger - wouldn't fancy putting it to the test myself though - think I probably stand in God's naughty corner too often too - he would probably forget to close the lion's mouth if it was me in the den. affraid

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Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:20 pm

Me too, but are we sure he was abducted?

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Post by Kololi on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:29 pm

Hi
There weren't always restrictions on films and alcohol though were there? The restrictions seem to come after the abuse is identified or people are harmed.

In Newquay youngsters were getting very drunk and falling off the edge of the cliff which happened to be very close to the nightlife area of the town. You had good folk doing their bit walking the streets at night offering flip flops for free to the young drunk girls in high heels. The purpose being that they might not trip and fall over the cliff if the had flat shoes on I believe.

I believe the next step is that they are going to barricade the cliff edges off now with large fences. Now that's taking control and acting nannyish but what is the alternative really? Personally, with my honest head on, I think let the buggers fall over the ruddy cliff - they might think twice about getting pissed and pratting about on a cliffs edge in the future if they fall off it once. My sensible grown up and caring head says however, that the control of the fence being erected is probably the decent thing to do.

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Post by Kololi on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:32 pm

@vaguely1 wrote:Me too, but are we sure he was abducted?

I think the Good Samaritan may have been abducted by aliens as he never passes through my street when I need help carrying my shopping in from the car.

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Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:34 pm

@Kololi wrote:Hi
There weren't always restrictions on films and alcohol though were there? The restrictions seem to come after the abuse is identified or people are harmed.

In Newquay youngsters were getting very drunk and falling off the edge of the cliff which happened to be very close to the nightlife area of the town. You had good folk doing their bit walking the streets at night offering flip flops for free to the young drunk girls in high heels. The purpose being that they might not trip and fall over the cliff if the had flat shoes on I believe.

I believe the next step is that they are going to barricade the cliff edges off now with large fences. Now that's taking control and acting nannyish but what is the alternative really? Personally, with my honest head on, I think let the buggers fall over the ruddy cliff - they might think twice about getting pissed and pratting about on a cliffs edge in the future if they fall off it once. My sensible grown up and caring head says however, that the control of the fence being erected is probably the decent thing to do.

Take care

That's not acting nannyish - it's proactive and decent.

Suggesting people who watch horror films are equal to paedophiles isn't.

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Post by Kololi on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:37 pm

Oh my word - I missed the point didn't I????

Didn't realise that was what had been said. Sorry sorry sorry :oops:

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Post by Tony Bennett on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:44 pm

@vaguely1 wrote:Suggesting people who watch horror films are equal to paedophiles isn't.
A typical vaguely1 tactic, a 'straw man' argument. Make out that someone's said something that in fact they haven't. You've done it many times on here, vaguely1. The above is a classic example.

There is a difference between 'horror' films and films that include gratuitous violence against others, by the way, so I'd draw a distinction between say 'horror' films and 'violent' films.

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Re: Jon Venables back in prison

Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:46 pm

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:Suggesting people who watch horror films are equal to paedophiles isn't.
A typical vaguely1 tactic, a 'straw man' argument. Make out that someone's said something that in fact they haven't. You've done it many times on here, vaguely1. The above is a classic example.

There is a difference between 'horror' films and films that include gratuitous violence against others, by the way, so I'd draw a distinction between say 'horror' films and 'violent' films.


A typical vaguely1 tactic

No need to start that - a typical Tony Bennett tactic.

I understand you probably feel a bit silly for making such a ridiculous and over the top comparison, but there's really no need to blame that on me.

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Post by vaguely1 on Wed Mar 10, 2010 9:50 pm

Halloween is a horror film, and is described as containing 'little' graphic violence - although I'm sure more than 'enough'.

It belongs in the horror genre.

You have obviously watched it as you have described it as a violent film.

I haven't.

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Post by Beth on Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:02 pm

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Kololi wrote:Aha I did have a dizzy moment as I think we actually agreed - we probably both would find it acceptable to send only three christians to the lions den each week......
Speaking of throwing people into the lion's den, some of the officials in the reign of Good King Darius of Persia tried to bump off Daniel by locking him up with lions for the night. Daniel had been abducted to Babylon some years earlier, along with tens of thousands of other Jews, as immortalised by Boney M in the 1980s hit single 'Rivers of Babylon'. He rose to become a sort of Chanellor of the Exchequer in the ensuing Persian/Median Empire. His opponents lived to regret their action, however:

Daniel Chapter 6

1 And Darius the Mede received the kingdom, being about threescore and two years old.
2 It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom a hundred and twenty satraps, who should be throughout the whole kingdom;
3 and over them three presidents, of whom Daniel was one; that these satraps might give account unto them, and that the king should have no damage.
4 Then this Daniel distinguished himself above the presidents and the satraps, because a surpassing spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
5 Then the presidents and the satraps sought to find occasion against Daniel as touching the kingdom; but they could find no occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
6 Then said these men: 'We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him in the matter of the law of his God.'
7 Then these presidents and satraps came tumultuously to the king, and said thus unto him: 'King Darius, live for ever!
8 All the presidents of the kingdom, the prefects and the satraps, the ministers and the governors, have consulted together that the king should establish a statute, and make a strong interdict, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any god or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
9 Now, O king, establish the interdict, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.'
10 Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the interdict. 11 And when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house - now his windows were open in his upper chamber toward Jerusalem - and he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
12 Then these men came tumultuously, and found Daniel making petition and supplication before his God.
13 Then they came near, and spoke before the king concerning the king's interdict: 'Hast thou not signed an interdict, that every man that shall make petition unto any god or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions?' The king answered and said: 'The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.'
14 Then answered they and said before the king: 'That Daniel, who is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the interdict that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.'
15 Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him; and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
16 Then these men came tumultuously unto the king, and said unto the king: 'Know, O king, that it is a law of the Medes and Persians, that no interdict nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.'
17 Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spoke and said unto Daniel: 'Thy God whom thou servest continually, He will deliver thee.'
18 And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that nothing might be changed concerning Daniel.
19 Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting; neither were diversions brought before him; and his sleep fled from him.
20 Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
21 And when he came near unto the den to Daniel, he cried with a pained voice; the king spoke and said to Daniel: 'O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?'
22 Then said Daniel unto the king: 'O king, live for ever!
23 My God hath sent His angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, and they have not hurt me; forasmuch as before Him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.'
24 Then was the king exceeding glad, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he had trusted in his God.
25 And the king commanded, and they brought those men that had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and they had not come to the bottom of the den, when the lions had the mastery of them, and broke all their bones in pieces.
26 Then king Darius wrote unto all the peoples, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth: 'Peace be multiplied unto you.
27 I make a decree, that in all the dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel; for He is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and His kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and His dominion shall be even unto the end;
28 He delivereth and rescueth, and He worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth; who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.' 29 So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

I am curious. Why are you always so quick to quote parts from the bible, yet your actions are no that of a Christian?

"Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in they sight, O Lord, my strength and my redeemer."
Psalms 19:14
Example - The 'Silent Night' carol. And 'letter from Madeleine'. Both penned by Tony Bennett.

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Re: Jon Venables back in prison

Post by justagrannynow 1 on Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:51 am

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/754782/VENABLES-ESCAPES-THE-DOCK-Bulger-killer-sex-charge-bombshell.html

VENABLES 'ESCAPES THE DOCK'
But he could face 10 years locked up without trial



By Lucy Panton, 14/03/2010
EVIL Jon Venables will escape prosecution for child porn offences but could still spend TEN YEARS in jail without trial.

That is how long the powerful parole board could cage him for breaching the conditions of his release on licence.

The News of the World has learned that Justice Secretary Jack Straw is being pushed by senior advisors to take the "easier option" of leaving the Venables case in the hands of parole chiefs.

The alternative is a trial which could blow Venables' cover if he has to face charges of possession of Category Four material - one of the worst levels of child porn.

A source told us: "There is a drive to persuade the Justice Secretary and the Crown Prosecution Service not to charge Venables as it would provide everyone with the easier option to manage.

"However there is a strong feeling that this is too little too late.

"Mr Straw should have taken a harder line from the start but now the genie is out of the bottle, causing a frenzy which is proving a nightmare to keep a lid on."

Venables was thrown back in jail nearly three weeks ago after police allegedly found child porn images on his laptop, breaching his parole conditions over the 1993 murder of two-year-old James Bulger in Bootle, Merseyside.

Lurid

Mr Straw's advisors have warned him that taking Venables to court would lead to "lurid details coming out in full Technicolor". The Justice Department are also:

* TERRIFIED of vigilante attacks if Venables' new identity becomes public knowledge.
* DESPERATE to avoid the trouble of creating a THIRD identity for him at a cost to taxpayers of over £250,000.
* PARANOID that Venables, said to be a broken man over the storm engulfing him, will commit SUICIDE in jail.

The parole board has a lot of power. If Venables is not charged that does not mean he is just walking out.

The senior source said: "The case file could give the parole board plenty of ammunition to argue that Venables is a risk to the public. One key issue is the fact that he is being accused of child porn.

"If there is any evidence from the original case that James's injuries were consistent with sexual abuse this is a very strong tool for parole bosses to use to keep him inside for possibly another five to ten years.

"If he is charged and appears in court the lurid details of the new offence would come out and it would cost thousands to give him another new identity. This is something that justice officials are desperate to avoid."

Last night the cop who led James' murder case revealed probation chiefs KNEW Venables was a potential sex offender because of the nature of James' torture and killing.

Former Detective Superintendent Albert Kirby said: "The sexual nature of the torture and murder of James was never hidden from the court or the authorities. However they deemed it was safe to release these boys when they were just 18. I'm concerned some of the issues relating to what happened to James were forgotten in a relatively short space of time."

The sexual aspect of James' murder was presented to Preston Crown Court at the pair's 1994 trial. But it was not dwelled on to spare James's mother Denise from further upset and after agreement it would make little difference to the eventual outcome of the trial.

The authorities who took the decision to release Venables and Thompson were aware that when James' body was found on a railway line his tracksuit bottoms, underpants, socks and trainers had been removed.

Cops could prove the clothing had been removed BEFORE he was tortured and beaten with bricks and an iron bar because they were virtually free of bloodstains.

The pathology exam also found injuries to James's genitals that could only have been caused by sexual abuse. Mr Kirby added: "The sexual nature of the crime was dealt with in a delicate way to protect the family but the authorities must have been aware you don't strip someone from the waist down just for the hell of it. If the new allegations against Venables are true then it concerns me that it was not picked up sooner."

If Venables is not charged, the parole board will see all the evidence against him - including the alleged possession of child porn and any other breaches of licence.

If this includes the reported allegations of drug-taking and entering Merseyside, where he is banned, the parole board would view the breaches as extremely serious.

James's mother Denise Fergus and her husband Stuart quizzed Mr Straw on Thursday, asking how Venables had breached his licence but he refused to reveal why.

Denise and ex husband Ralph would be invited to make a statement to the parole board in the event Venables is referred to them.

Normally, the prisoner can request to be present.

But a senior source said: "There have been discussions about how to stop both sides from coming face to face in what is considered an extremely awkward situation to be avoided."

Prison bosses this week told the Ministry Of Justice how difficult it is to manage Venables.

Our source said: "He is well aware there are 60million people out there who would prefer him dead and he is falling to pieces. It is a very real concern that he will try to commit suicide."

JAMES'S furious mum Denise last night called for Children's Commissioner Maggie Atkinson to be sacked after she described his killing as "unpleasant" and called for the age of criminal resposibility to be raised from 10 to 12.

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Re: Jon Venables back in prison

Post by kangdang on Mon Mar 15, 2010 11:19 am

Venables is currently in Woodhill Prison, along with Charlie Branson.

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