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Post by Hummingbird on 13.05.12 18:18

Hi, since finding this site I have spent a lot of spare time reading through the posts. I am amazed at the hard work some of you are doing to try to solve this horrible case.
From the very moment this hit the news I have felt that the whole thing was/is one big set up.
Every day I go through all the theories in my mind over and over until I get confused and wonder if I need to see a Dr!!! Obsession my Hubby calls it!!
I have never been able to understand, if it was an accident, they panic and they covered it up, that there wasn't more sign of grief, there would have to be after such a short time.
Or if it was an abduction how there was no sign of fear, panic and grief.
If it was planned then yes, in my mind that would explain the lack of grief, fear and panic and why so many things were able to be so quickly put into action and place.

BUT

over the course of the last few months I have been thinking about another theory that is really bothering me and now after reading today's post about Kates Giuilt! I have to come out with it because if it happens no one in the world will believe me when I say, I knew it!!

I apologise if this has been said before (I'm sure it has at some time, I can't be the only one thinking this)

Firstly, how many times over the years have we heard them bring up the stories about these other children who have been abducted and then found after many years - like they are trying to tell us something.
How many times have we seen them laugh, 3 days after she 'disappeared' and so on - almost as they are laughing at us!
The shrugging of the shoulders when they are told there has been a 'sighting'
Now this week we see the twins are being 'groomed' to carry on this saga
The comment 'find the body and prove we did it' makes my blood run cold. Almost as if they know no one will ever find a body because they know -
THERE ISN'T ONE!

I have this fear that one day Maddie will be found, perhaps on a street corner, or left on a beach or anywhere where there is no CCTV (again) (of course i would love her to be found alive and well but I think you understand my use of the word 'fear')
and then it will be

We told you so - we said we didn't do it - we said we knew she was alive!!!!! We told you all these 'trolls' were mad, we told you we were right to stop all these awful books being written about us etc etc etc.

Then, of course there will be the books, the films, the interviews and so on and the bank balance just gets bigger and bigger and bigger.

Of course there is the question of the cadaver and blood BUT there were at least 4 Doctors on that holiday - perhaps that is what the confession was that upset the Priest so much! It would explain the lack of her DNA anywhere and this is where Murat and Burgau could come into it at the start of the holiday.

The more I think about it the more it makes more sense to me and I dread the day it happens because they will get away with it, no one then in their right mind is ever going to believe anyone could do such a thing to their child!

Please, tell me you think this is just a mad theory and put me out of my misery! I would be interested to hear what you think or if you could tell me what topic I should be reading if this has been done before!

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Post by nomendelta on 13.05.12 18:27

Many have contemplated such a scenario and indeed some even suggest there was no Maddie - or that she was never even on holiday.

I just don't know - these theories do not allow for the dog findings but then there is not one single cohesive theory that covers all the angles, especially the behaviour of the parents.

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Post by FH on 13.05.12 18:39

@nomendelta wrote:Many have contemplated such a scenario and indeed some even suggest there was no Maddie - or that she was never even on holiday.

I just don't know - these theories do not allow for the dog findings but then there is not one single cohesive theory that covers all the angles, especially the behaviour of the parents.

If you do any reading about narcissitic sociopaths you will find it totally explains their behaviour. Something happened when they weren't there, so it's not their fault and they are not taking the fall for it. I have known a couple in my life and they look after number one first and foremost. Including someone who drove without a license, was uninsured, had been drinking and taking drugs , crashed, fatally injured one of his best friends and moved the body to the front seat to make it look as if the other boy had been driving.

The dogs indicate there was a dead body in 5A and a little girl is missing. Depite all the other misdirection, mirrors and shadows, those are the facts against her being hidden and produced at some point in the future. Although I would be the first to rejoice if she was found alive.

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Post by FH on 13.05.12 18:41

I forgot to add that it is my greatest hope that she is alive and turns up one day. I don't care why, or who took her, hid her, kept her..... I'd just be delighted she was OK.

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Post by nomendelta on 13.05.12 18:47

@FH wrote:

If you do any reading about narcissitic sociopaths you will find it totally explains their behaviour. Something happened when they weren't there, so it's not their fault and they are not taking the fall for it. I have known a couple in my life and they look after number one first and foremost. Including someone who drove without a license, was uninsured, had been drinking and taking drugs , crashed, fatally injured one of his best friends and moved the body to the front seat to make it look as if the other boy had been driving.

The dogs indicate there was a dead body in 5A and a little girl is missing. Depite all the other misdirection, mirrors and shadows, those are the facts against her being hidden and produced at some point in the future. Although I would be the first to rejoice if she was found alive.

Certainly I have heard the suggestion of narcissism before and can understand why - however I still don't get the OTHER involvement. Unless the entire group was involved in something highly dodgy I can't ever imagine there being a reason someone would lie over the death of a child AND keep it quiet this length of time. That's one of the most disturbing elements of the case. I just can't imagine ever wanting to help someone in those circumstances so these people must have very dark secrets.

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Post by sweetex on 13.05.12 18:52

I also wondered a lot about their lack of grieving, lack of desperation to find her. I for one cannot forget the first time I became aware of this case. I think it must have been there first press conference where GM spoke and Kate holding on tight to him. At that moment I wasn't sure what the story was (I'm not British) but I remember my first thought was - "Oh my, what a weird couple". But I could never put my finger on what exactly I found weird.

Point is, I wondered the same many times before. Then again if you look up Narcissistic behaviour there is quite a lot of info on this. I do find it rare though that two people both with Narcissism get involved and get married. They are addicted to power and control. So I can just imagine an argument in their house! angry2

Then also for some reason I keep on thinking about Amaral's theory, and can't think how any one can write a book, have it publish if he is not 100% sure of his case.

I also don't think all of them are involved. At most its the mccanns and payne.

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Post by nomendelta on 13.05.12 20:27

@sweetex wrote:I also wondered a lot about their lack of grieving, lack of desperation to find her. I for one cannot forget the first time I became aware of this case. I think it must have been there first press conference where GM spoke and Kate holding on tight to him. At that moment I wasn't sure what the story was (I'm not British) but I remember my first thought was - "Oh my, what a weird couple". But I could never put my finger on what exactly I found weird.

Point is, I wondered the same many times before. Then again if you look up Narcissistic behaviour there is quite a lot of info on this. I do find it rare though that two people both with Narcissism get involved and get married. They are addicted to power and control. So I can just imagine an argument in their house!

Then also for some reason I keep on thinking about Amaral's theory, and can't think how any one can write a book, have it publish if he is not 100% sure of his case.

I also don't think all of them are involved. At most its the mccanns and payne.

Amaral clearly seems to know more than he has revealed which is one comfort in the case. He has carefully written a theory based on the facts of the case which certainly fit better than the abduction ever would! As has Pat Brown. However there's lots of weird stuff that doesn't fit includind the idea that Maddie died before May 3rd - and neither of these books cover that angle and of course that angle would change so much of the case.

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Post by jarof on 13.05.12 21:47

I thought about that too, but i don't think so. I think someone did take her or she is dead. You think they planned for her to be taken and she is with someone they know? If that is true, then why wait 5+ years to leave her back? Madeleine would be old enough to say who took her and where she was. There is no way she is coming back if the parents had anything to do with it.

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Post by nomendelta on 13.05.12 22:52

@jarof wrote:I thought about that too, but i don't think so. I think someone did take her or she is dead. You think they planned for her to be taken and she is with someone they know? If that is true, then why wait 5+ years to leave her back? Madeleine would be old enough to say who took her and where she was. There is no way she is coming back if the parents had anything to do with it.

No not that she was taken or even they planned for someone to take her. There's a lot of odd phone activity a couple of days before May 3rd which seems to point to something happening before the alleged "abduction". However it's a bit out there as far as theories are concerned and it's a theory Amaral and Pat Brown have preferred to ignore.

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Post by jarof on 13.05.12 23:05

@nomendelta wrote:
@jarof wrote:I thought about that too, but i don't think so. I think someone did take her or she is dead. You think they planned for her to be taken and she is with someone they know? If that is true, then why wait 5+ years to leave her back? Madeleine would be old enough to say who took her and where she was. There is no way she is coming back if the parents had anything to do with it.

No not that she was taken or even they planned for someone to take her. There's a lot of odd phone activity a couple of days before May 3rd which seems to point to something happening before the alleged "abduction". However it's a bit out there as far as theories are concerned and it's a theory Amaral and Pat Brown have preferred to ignore.

I should have quoted the first post.

What is your theory about the days before?

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Post by nomendelta on 13.05.12 23:36

I personally don't have a theory but there's lots on this forum - I find them all fascinating. There's tantalising glimpses - odd phone activity, dubious creche records, the "crying" incident...Pat Brown doesn't swallow it because she thinks the McCanns went into panic mode after something happened to Maddie and that their behaviour and the discrepancies point to a lack of planning. I just don't know but am open to anything.

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Post by tigger on 14.05.12 8:12

@nomendelta wrote:
@sweetex wrote:I also wondered a lot about their lack of grieving, lack of desperation to find her. I for one cannot forget the first time I became aware of this case. I think it must have been there first press conference where GM spoke and Kate holding on tight to him. At that moment I wasn't sure what the story was (I'm not British) but I remember my first thought was - "Oh my, what a weird couple". But I could never put my finger on what exactly I found weird.

Point is, I wondered the same many times before. Then again if you look up Narcissistic behaviour there is quite a lot of info on this. I do find it rare though that two people both with Narcissism get involved and get married. They are addicted to power and control. So I can just imagine an argument in their house!

Then also for some reason I keep on thinking about Amaral's theory, and can't think how any one can write a book, have it publish if he is not 100% sure of his case.

I also don't think all of them are involved. At most its the mccanns and payne.

Amaral clearly seems to know more than he has revealed which is one comfort in the case. He has carefully written a theory based on the facts of the case which certainly fit better than the abduction ever would! As has Pat Brown. However there's lots of weird stuff that doesn't fit includind the idea that Maddie died before May 3rd - and neither of these books cover that angle and of course that angle would change so much of the case.


Imo Amaral hinted in his last interview that she may have died sooner than the 3rd. But in his book he simply went by the evidence that was in the public domain. He could not use anything else.
I keep saying read Dr. Ludke again, because it is an admirable and short analysis.

To keep it short. I'm convinced this was planned.
That Maddie had ADS plus another conditon which had been treated over the years. ( her fear of pain - many photographs show her looking ill imo).
That a happy past had to be invented for the press (doctored photos - but a curious lack of knowledge about Maddie herself)
That they made at least a tentative decision to 'end the misery' - their misery I expect many months before.
The impression they gave imo was one of relief, not grief. A certain irritation to have to keep talking about Maddie when they themselves were now celebrities. The grieving - if there was any - was done long before, when the decision had been taken. Psychologically that works very well with the observed facts.
That there was a reason for the T7 to be complicit in the cover up. But not 'in the know' about any planning. I don't think they'd have helped in that case.

All the rest has been window dressing, people jumping on the bandwagon and everybody getting 15 minutes of fame.
Imo it was always about the money and the celebrity and a new lifestyle.

But Amaral spoiled it all and Murat got more money than they did from the press and it's all gone horribly wrong and they're still living in Rothley and Gerry still has to work and it's very hard to remember everything you've ever said so keeping the story going is all you can do untill you're both 102.
Worst of all, the portraits up in the attic aren't working and keeping that celebrity look is getting harder and harder and you never know when the papers will turn against you because that would be a lot of money for them again and the first story is pretty well played out.

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Post by Pershing36 on 14.05.12 9:24

It would make my day if she was found alive and well. Lets face it it something that wouldn't be far short of a miracle. It seems to me that the hard line supporters believe she will be found in a cellar of some kind like that girl a few years back, I forget her name.

Sometimes when you hear this 'alive and well' aired you have to wonder what goes through their minds. That poor girl found in the cellar was suffering mental illness, she had suffered mental and physical abuse beyond anything we could imagine, or want to imagine.

The way some of them write makes me think they expect her just to pop up somewhere, totally unharmed and been living with a family. Obviously this would be the the best news ever, but really how likely would it be? What would have been the motives for abduction in the first place.


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Post by sami on 14.05.12 9:33

@tigger wrote:
@nomendelta wrote:
@sweetex wrote:I also wondered a lot about their lack of grieving, lack of desperation to find her. I for one cannot forget the first time I became aware of this case. I think it must have been there first press conference where GM spoke and Kate holding on tight to him. At that moment I wasn't sure what the story was (I'm not British) but I remember my first thought was - "Oh my, what a weird couple". But I could never put my finger on what exactly I found weird.

Point is, I wondered the same many times before. Then again if you look up Narcissistic behaviour there is quite a lot of info on this. I do find it rare though that two people both with Narcissism get involved and get married. They are addicted to power and control. So I can just imagine an argument in their house!

Then also for some reason I keep on thinking about Amaral's theory, and can't think how any one can write a book, have it publish if he is not 100% sure of his case.

I also don't think all of them are involved. At most its the mccanns and payne.

Amaral clearly seems to know more than he has revealed which is one comfort in the case. He has carefully written a theory based on the facts of the case which certainly fit better than the abduction ever would! As has Pat Brown. However there's lots of weird stuff that doesn't fit includind the idea that Maddie died before May 3rd - and neither of these books cover that angle and of course that angle would change so much of the case.


Imo Amaral hinted in his last interview that she may have died sooner than the 3rd. But in his book he simply went by the evidence that was in the public domain. He could not use anything else.
I keep saying read Dr. Ludke again, because it is an admirable and short analysis.

To keep it short. I'm convinced this was planned.
That Maddie had ADS plus another conditon which had been treated over the years. ( her fear of pain - many photographs show her looking ill imo).
That a happy past had to be invented for the press (doctored photos - but a curious lack of knowledge about Maddie herself)
That they made at least a tentative decision to 'end the misery' - their misery I expect many months before.
The impression they gave imo was one of relief, not grief. A certain irritation to have to keep talking about Maddie when they themselves were now celebrities. The grieving - if there was any - was done long before, when the decision had been taken. Psychologically that works very well with the observed facts.
That there was a reason for the T7 to be complicit in the cover up. But not 'in the know' about any planning. I don't think they'd have helped in that case.

All the rest has been window dressing, people jumping on the bandwagon and everybody getting 15 minutes of fame.
Imo it was always about the money and the celebrity and a new lifestyle.

But Amaral spoiled it all and Murat got more money than they did from the press and it's all gone horribly wrong and they're still living in Rothley and Gerry still has to work and it's very hard to remember everything you've ever said so keeping the story going is all you can do untill you're both 102.
Worst of all, the portraits up in the attic aren't working and keeping that celebrity look is getting harder and harder and you never know when the papers will turn against you because that would be a lot of money for them again and the first story is pretty well played out.


Tigger, very good points. The "relief" is correct, imo. There has always been an air of resignation about the two of them, as if the whole thing was just inevitable. It would also accord with their apparant refusal to show any real regret at having the left the children alone or indeed say it was completely wrong. They have nothing to apologise for in that regard, so they simply cannot go down the line of talking about their guilt, it is not there. Being without Madeleine was something they expected to happen.

The T7 being complicit is the real interesting one. They were not life long friends with the McCanns, other than the Paynes, they could only be described as acquaintances. How were they drawn into it ? My best guess is something medical. The only tie that bound that group together was their medical careers and the only thing that each and everyone of them would want to protect was their medical careers. I do not think those carerrs would have been damaged just by them being in the company of the McCanns who had a child who fell while unattended and died. Well, it could not harm their careers anymore than the story as it stands has done. It was something much more than that, someting that could warrant them being struck off, or even just unemployable in the medical world. What that could be is the question.

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Post by Guest on 14.05.12 9:37

Pershing36, I think you might mean this case - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch - though there was also the dreadful story of Josef Fritzl who imprisoned his own daughter in a cellar for nearly 24 years.

There have been cases of babies abducted by deranged women whose intention was to bring them up as their own but I cannot think of any cases where an older child who survived has not been subjected to abuse.

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Post by nomendelta on 14.05.12 9:52

There are a number of theories and those that involve some or all of the group being pedos seem to me more likely as there has to be some glue that sticks them all together AND links them to people of power who have bent over backwards to help.

The notion that they planned this...it's all just too clumsy IMO. It doesn't add up, especially with regard to the group sticking together AND the outside help they've had.

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Post by Snifferdog on 14.05.12 9:55

My theory is identical to my my proposed Hardcover to be released on 8 May 2013 having missed the deadline date of 8 May 2012. see Brand New Theory: The diabolical mcplan uncovered
They show no signs of grieving and never have as they have nothing to grieve over. Is why they just cannot always suppress the superior smirk that forces its way to the surface every now and again, and is why they were photographed and heard joking and laughing their heads off shortly after M disappeared.

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Post by nomendelta on 14.05.12 10:16

I've read your theory and like it however...look at how clumsy the story given by the McCanns is. Surely they could have created a timeline that made the abduction likely? They didn't. That fact alone...well if they couldn't do that right how on earth could they have developed the machiavellian skills needed to orchestrate and guarantee massive libel payments?

I do feel that the libel payments were basically a deliberate pay-off for those who kept on side. It had to be done publicly like that otherwise people seeing their inflated bank accounts would be left wondering where the money came from. Your theory doesn't account for the level of governement help and support they've had.

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Post by Snifferdog on 14.05.12 10:37

@nomendelta wrote:I've read your theory and like it however...look at how clumsy the story given by the McCanns is. Surely they could have created a timeline that made the abduction likely? They didn't. That fact alone...well if they couldn't do that right how on earth could they have developed the machiavellian skills needed to orchestrate and guarantee massive libel payments?

I do feel that the libel payments were basically a deliberate pay-off for those who kept on side. It had to be done publicly like that otherwise people seeing their inflated bank accounts would be left wondering where the money came from. Your theory doesn't account for the level of governement help and support they've had.
I believe that the timelines were deliberately messed up. They wanted to be incriminated. They waited for the rags to latch onto the story good and proper before they dug the hooks in. To me it seems that they were purposefully incriminating themselves in order to sue. My theory does account for the government help - They already had a journalist in their pocket, cant remember her name right now but the one who fingered Robert Murat. The lucky lass earned herself a round the world trip with her hubby. Just as rebekah brooks has info on some civil servants, so is it likely that -Oh I just half remember her name Antonella Lazerri or something like that, also has some interesting info too. Tis why Gerry always has that sneering smirk lurking close to the surface. They dont mind what one thinks of them as long as it means LOTS and LOTS of lovely Boodle and a celeb type lifestyle.

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Post by tigger on 14.05.12 10:43

Sami wrote:

The T7 being complicit is the real interesting one. They were not life long friends with the McCanns, other than the Paynes, they could only be described as acquaintances. How were they drawn into it ? My best guess is something medical. The only tie that bound that group together was their medical careers and the only thing that each and everyone of them would want to protect was their medical careers. I do not think those carerrs would have been damaged just by them being in the company of the McCanns who had a child who fell while unattended and died. Well, it could not harm their careers anymore than the story as it stands has done. It was something much more than that, someting that could warrant them being struck off, or even just unemployable in the medical world. What that could be is the question. unquote

This occurred to me (can someone post that photograph of Gerry with the very dilated pupils and the silly grin?). Also bear in mind this habit is often condoned in a poor country when they depend on tourism.
Snipped from Wikepedia.
In July 2001 in Portugal a new law maintained the status of illegality for using or possessing any drug for personal use without authorization. The offense was changed from a criminal one, with prison a possible punishment, to an administrative one if the possessing was no more than up to ten days' supply of that substance.
Individuals found in possession of small quantities of drugs are issued summons. The drugs are confiscated, and the suspect is interviewed by a “Commission for the Dissuasion of Drug Addiction”
Every year, Portuguese law enforcement bodies confiscate several tonnes of cocaine, with a record amount of more than 34.5 tonnes seized in 2006.

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Post by tigger on 14.05.12 11:03

[quote="nomendelta"]I've read your theory and like it however...look at how clumsy the story given by the McCanns is. Surely they could have created a timeline that made the abduction likely? They didn't. That fact alone...well if they couldn't do that right how on earth could they have developed the machiavellian skills needed to orchestrate and guarantee massive libel payments? unquote

I think the original plan just involved the Fund and a chance for the bereft parents to be ambassadors for lost children. Amber alert for Europe etc. There are lots of indications to that effect. But the response from the public and press was much bigger than they anticipated.
Madeleine's fourth birthday. From McCann files.
Her parents mark the day by calling for people to redouble their efforts to find her. After spending most of the day away from Praia da Luz, the couple attend a special birthday mass in the village where Mr McCann speaks about the impact of the abduction on the family.
He also says for the first time that the couple are convinced Madeleine is alive.
The total reward being offered by business figures, celebrities and a national newspaper for information leading to Madeleine's safe return reaches £2.5 million. unquote.

The Tapas weren't in on it at all I think, they were compromised. JT and ROB especially.
The plan bears all the hallmarks of a mindset which thinks itself superior to foreigners, the general public and foreign police in particular.
It also bears the hallmarks of someone who can get up to mischief and then get his big brother to scare you off. Flawed people, flawed plan. Other agendas.
After the farce on the 3rd - when everything went wrong that could go wrong, the affair took on a life of its own. By the 12th they couldn't help smiling - the big time had arrived - well - big time!
I find it significant that a the possibility of Maddie being alive became a conviction 9 days later. When 2.5 million was sitting in the bank and more to come.

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Post by Snifferdog on 14.05.12 11:11

@tigger wrote:
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@sweetex wrote:I also wondered a lot about their lack of grieving, lack of desperation to find her. I for one cannot forget the first time I became aware of this case. I think it must have been there first press conference where GM spoke and Kate holding on tight to him. At that moment I wasn't sure what the story was (I'm not British) but I remember my first thought was - "Oh my, what a weird couple". But I could never put my finger on what exactly I found weird.

Point is, I wondered the same many times before. Then again if you look up Narcissistic behaviour there is quite a lot of info on this. I do find it rare though that two people both with Narcissism get involved and get married. They are addicted to power and control. So I can just imagine an argument in their house!

Then also for some reason I keep on thinking about Amaral's theory, and can't think how any one can write a book, have it publish if he is not 100% sure of his case.

I also don't think all of them are involved. At most its the mccanns and payne.

Amaral clearly seems to know more than he has revealed which is one comfort in the case. He has carefully written a theory based on the facts of the case which certainly fit better than the abduction ever would! As has Pat Brown. However there's lots of weird stuff that doesn't fit includind the idea that Maddie died before May 3rd - and neither of these books cover that angle and of course that angle would change so much of the case.


Imo Amaral hinted in his last interview that she may have died sooner than the 3rd. But in his book he simply went by the evidence that was in the public domain. He could not use anything else.
I keep saying read Dr. Ludke again, because it is an admirable and short analysis.

To keep it short. I'm convinced this was planned.
That Maddie had ADS plus another conditon which had been treated over the years. ( her fear of pain - many photographs show her looking ill imo).
That a happy past had to be invented for the press (doctored photos - but a curious lack of knowledge about Maddie herself)
That they made at least a tentative decision to 'end the misery' - their misery I expect many months before.
The impression they gave imo was one of relief, not grief. A certain irritation to have to keep talking about Maddie when they themselves were now celebrities. The grieving - if there was any - was done long before, when the decision had been taken. Psychologically that works very well with the observed facts.
That there was a reason for the T7 to be complicit in the cover up. But not 'in the know' about any planning. I don't think they'd have helped in that case.

All the rest has been window dressing, people jumping on the bandwagon and everybody getting 15 minutes of fame.
Imo it was always about the money and the celebrity and a new lifestyle.

But Amaral spoiled it all and Murat got more money than they did from the press and it's all gone horribly wrong and they're still living in Rothley and Gerry still has to work and it's very hard to remember everything you've ever said so keeping the story going is all you can do untill you're both 102.
Worst of all, the portraits up in the attic aren't working and keeping that celebrity look is getting harder and harder and you never know when the papers will turn against you because that would be a lot of money for them again and the first story is pretty well played out.
Oops didn't see your post Tigger but agree with you that is a good possibility. I do think though that she was never in PDL and was either shipped of to relatives, or was sick and died of natural causes or euthanized.

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Post by sami on 14.05.12 11:25

Where were the T7 after eating each night, indeed where were any of them ? The first night after the Millenium they went home tired with the children. I believe this to be true. We know of the later night at Chaplins. Outside of that, we have no idea what they did once their meal at the Tapas was finished. Unless I have missed something that tells us what they did, it seems to me that I for one have just assumed they went back to their respective apartments.

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Post by nomendelta on 14.05.12 11:31

OK so Maddie was never on holiday - she's somewhere unspecified - perhaps in Canada as they have relatives there?

Where does the blodd and cadaver scent fit in? Planted by the PJ in the hopes of springing a confession? Planted by the McCanns as a bizarre red herring?

Why the panic a couple of nights before? The heavy mobile activity? Why screw up the abduction hypothesis SO badly?

To me, pre-planning would mean a simpler less complicated plan. Everything that has happened leads me to believe that it wasn't planned and the clumsy clashing of stories stems from covering up at the last minute.

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Post by Ross on 14.05.12 12:30

@nomendelta wrote:To me, pre-planning would mean a simpler less complicated plan. Everything that has happened leads me to believe that it wasn't planned and the clumsy clashing of stories stems from covering up at the last minute.

This makes sense, certainly there would have been no need for hasty last-minute scribbled time-lines for them all. But, the British ambassador in Lisbon called the national director of the PJ within one hour of the 10 pm announcement "They've taken her!". There is simply no way that such a senior official could have received his instructions from London and been fully appraised of the situation within such a narrow time-frame. He must have been prepared to make that call which indicates the 10pm event was no more than the commencement of phase 2 of whatever happened. So we have this stark contradiction - compelling indications it was pre-planned, compelling indications it was spontaneous.

There are many of these contradictions, not least a 'cover-up' persistently and determinedly drawing attention to itself in as high profile a manner as possible. Trying to pick a logical path through all this is impossible, because whatever theory is advanced has to ignore something to hold together.

Whatever game is being played here, public attention and confusion are big elements of it.

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