A Estrala de Madeleine - thoughts and observations

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Post  rainbow-fairy on Sun May 13, 2012 3:07 pm

Paulo Christovao!

What.A.Book.

Without wishing to detract from Goncalo Amaral and 'The Truth of the Lie', a book I love and a man I find an inspiration, I actually think this book is better.



Will it be translated and freely available to read/buy in UK?

Are there any libel actions against it? (I fail to see how there could be, but...)

IF the general public (including the indifferent and/or undecided read this, there would be a real sea change of opinion, imho.

It is logical, easy to follow and invites the reader to reach their own conclusions.

Fabulous.

THANK YOU 'admin' for the translations.



any thoughts good or bad on the book very very welcome

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Post  russiandoll on Sun May 13, 2012 4:10 pm

Was wondering where to post a comment, I read this non-stop a couple of days ago.
Great stuff, totally believable and engrossing. I cannot wait to read it in full.
Have been trying to work out the cryptic reference to the" Luz Key" and confidence in the numbers the 5, the 2 the 3 and the 1!

thanks so much for the translations.

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Post  friedtomatoes on Sun May 13, 2012 4:27 pm

You can find translations on the MCF forum in the reference section. It is there that ref is made to kate mccann saying the dog reacted because she had dealt with dead bodies before the holidays.

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Post  nomendelta on Sun May 13, 2012 4:42 pm

Reading thru this now.

I always thought that the "working with corpses" defence came from Aunty Phil rather than being something specifically said by Kate so that's most interesting.

Even more interesting is when faced with a hypothesis of something happening in the apartment - something which was then hidden and turned into an abduction she reacts with "Then prove it". No shock? No horror or outrage? Just "prove it"?

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Post  rainbow-fairy on Sun May 13, 2012 5:23 pm

I really, really rate Amaral BUT I do find 'Truth of the Lie' skips a bit...
THIS book, though - if anyone with just two or three brain cells read it would be of the same opinion as the PJ - concealment and simulation.

BTW, russiandoll, I am also working on the 'Luz Key' I'm going by names and apt no's as a start, may have something, not sure yet!!! Wink Very cryptic...

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Post  Smokeandmirrors on Sun May 13, 2012 8:26 pm

The Luz key is intriguing. All I can think at the moment is 5 members of the McCann family, 2 adults, 3 children and the 1 who vanished.
Perhaps it is a police code, like the numbers police use over radio waves to secretly communicate. Perhaps PeterMac could verify if police forces have such codes.

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Post  Ribisl on Sun May 13, 2012 11:59 pm

Just finished reading it all in one sitting. Intriguing and extremely insightful. I'd love to read the full version, though it's unlikely it will ever be translated into English while the MCs rule the British media. Btw the only copy I could find was the original costing USD45.93 (!) from amazon.com.

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Post  roy rovers on Mon May 14, 2012 12:20 am

nomendelta wrote:Reading thru this now.

I always thought that the "working with corpses" defence came from Aunty Phil rather than being something specifically said by Kate so that's most interesting.

Even more interesting is when faced with a hypothesis of something happening in the apartment - something which was then hidden and turned into an abduction she reacts with "Then prove it". No shock? No horror or outrage? Just "prove it"?


Anyone else remember the tv cop show (must have been decades ago so perhaps not) where the suspect says 'prove it' and the cop says 'whenever they say that I KNOW they're guilty'.

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Post  rainbow-fairy on Mon May 14, 2012 7:21 am

roy rovers wrote:
nomendelta wrote:Reading thru this now.

I always thought that the "working with corpses" defence came from Aunty Phil rather than being something specifically said by Kate so that's most interesting.

Even more interesting is when faced with a hypothesis of something happening in the apartment - something which was then hidden and turned into an abduction she reacts with "Then prove it". No shock? No horror or outrage? Just "prove it"?


Anyone else remember the tv cop show (must have been decades ago so perhaps not) where the suspect says 'prove it' and the cop says 'whenever they say that I KNOW they're guilty'.

roy rovers, I believe that is probably true.
However, I just know they are guilty (or know who is) simply because:
1)Evidence (both existent and non-existent) tells us so;
2)Forensic linguistics tells us so;
3)Body language and behaviour analysis tells us so.

There's more, but the above is enough for me.

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Post  PeterMac on Mon May 14, 2012 7:29 am

roy rovers wrote:Anyone else remember the tv cop show (must have been decades ago so perhaps not) where the suspect says 'prove it' and the cop says 'whenever they say that I KNOW they're guilty'.

It is not just in the cop shows.
It works in real life. Anyone who says that is clearly guilty, and any cop out of probation has worked it out.
As is anyone who says
"To be honest... "
"I swear on my baby's life..."
"I am telling the truth..."

and many other expressions.
If people are telling the truth they just tell it.
Truth is mundane and boring, and needs no elaboration

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