The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™
Hi,

A very warm welcome to The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™ forum.

Please log in, or register to view all the forums, then settle in and start chatting with us!

Enjoy your day,

Jill Havern
Forum owner

Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by PeterMac on 29.04.12 17:51

@russiandoll wrote: SNIP The spy cameras which can detect the number plate of a car from five miles up,
Sorry to be racist but this is an Irish paper !
Spy satellite 5 miles up ? 5 miles is the altitude of a normal transatlantic jet, Concorde flew at over 10 miles.
Spy satellites orbit at between 175 miles and 625 miles.
If you use google earth or maps.google, there is a point at which the satellite image changes into one taken from a light plane. Not a lot of people know that !

____________________


PeterMac
Researcher

Posts : 10170
Reputation : 143
Join date : 2010-12-06

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by pauline on 29.04.12 18:00

I agree with Aiyoyo that Eilis O'Hanlon's book review of madeleine is 'artfully crafted' and that the discerning reader can read between the lines.

However, this thoughtful and balanced review, makes it very hard to understand why she would have written such an unbalanced opinion piece in the same paper a year later. The Sunday Independent is not one of the papers sued by the McCanns. This journalist is clearly more than able to craft her work so as not to leave herself open to libel. So why has this experienced journalist (she is well known here) apparently changed her mind - I honestly have no idea.

An earlier poster thinks there has been better (ie balanced) coverage coming out of Ireland and Scotland. I'm not sure I agree. certainly its been worse in the Uk papers but I cant recall anything balanced in the mainstream media here, other than Eilis's book review which I didn't see at the time.

pauline

Posts : 548
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2011-05-08

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by PeterMac on 29.04.12 18:07

@Spaniel wrote:If they can see eye colour they must be able to see buttons on trousers!
A satellite, even if the resolution were that good, which it isn't, could surely only see your bald patch (well, mine actually !) not my eyes.
Ditto number plates on cars. These are urban myths

____________________


PeterMac
Researcher

Posts : 10170
Reputation : 143
Join date : 2010-12-06

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by ShuBob on 29.04.12 19:05

@pauline wrote:I agree with Aiyoyo that Eilis O'Hanlon's book review of madeleine is 'artfully crafted' and that the discerning reader can read between the lines.

However, this thoughtful and balanced review, makes it very hard to understand why she would have written such an unbalanced opinion piece in the same paper a year later. The Sunday Independent is not one of the papers sued by the McCanns. This journalist is clearly more than able to craft her work so as not to leave herself open to libel. So why has this experienced journalist (she is well known here) apparently changed her mind - I honestly have no idea.

An earlier poster thinks there has been better (ie balanced) coverage coming out of Ireland and Scotland. I'm not sure I agree. certainly its been worse in the Uk papers but I cant recall anything balanced in the mainstream media here, other than Eilis's book review which I didn't see at the time.

George Galloway's opinion piece from 2007 was in a Scottish newspaper

ShuBob

Posts : 1893
Reputation : 57
Join date : 2012-02-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Guest on 29.04.12 19:15

candyfloss wrote:Here it is............

Eilis O'Hanlon: The sad rise of cyber courts full of Twittering bullies

Normal decency does not apply for the social-media snipers who targeted the McCanns

Sunday April 29 2012

It wasn't so long ago that a Panorama documentary on Madeleine's disappearance would have brought the anti-McCann lobby out in force. Instead the Kate and Gerry-baiters were relatively quiet all week, having perhaps found another grieving family to torment in the meantime, or another conspiracy theory with which to fill their time.

Or it could simply be that they're flummoxed by the latest developments in the case. As Panorama reported last week in the run-up to the fifth anniversary of the little girl's disappearance from a holiday complex in Praia da Luz, not only has a year-long Metropolitan Police investigation come down firmly on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, it also claims to have good reason to believe she is still alive, even releasing an artist's digital impression of how she might look today, as she approaches her ninth birthday.

This wasn't the narrative which those convinced that the McCanns had something to do with their daughter's disappearance -- the ones who still post videos on YouTube full of cod psychological analyses of the couple's body language to a sinister musical accompaniment, or who leave messages on Twitter peppered with vile, unsubstantiated allegations -- had geared themselves up to expect. For now, no doubt, they remain bunkered in, regrouping, planning the next attack.

It shouldn't take them long. Portuguese police have already refused to reopen the case, dismissing as "mere speculation" claims from Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who headed up the team of 28 detectives and seven civilian support staff, that their review of 40,000 pieces of evidence had turned up nearly 200 previously unexplored lines of inquiry, meaning that, in all likelihood, the case will remain in suspended animation, files gathering dust, Madeleine forgotten.

That's the atmosphere in which rumours flourish. Already there are mutterings about the stg£2m cost of the review of evidence, and insinuations of political interference, not least allegations that UK Prime Minister David Cameron was only pressurised into authorising a new inquiry by News International, thereby neatly segueing into another of the chattering classes' latest obsessions, that of the Leveson Inquiry. Panorama trawled through that cesspit, too. It shouldn't be too hard for the conspiracy theorists to use it all to come up with a new excuse to reignite the anti-McCann fuse.

Which is incredible, when you think about it. Five years on and the most thorough investigation of the evidence -- involving, in Det Chief Inspector Redwood's words, "turning every single piece of paper over and interpreting and analysing what is contained within them" -- has concluded that all those pulp fiction scenarios involving an unstable mother killing her own child and a controlling father disposing of the body, with both then colluding in an incredibly effective manipulation of an entire police force and the world media, were nothing but the poisonous fantasies which Madeleine's parents always said they were.

Yet the reaction has been so muted that it feels as if this is just another day at the office for the obsessives. Having invested so much time and emotional energy into demonising the McCanns, it's as if they're still reluctant to give up, much less apologise for the hurt that they caused to a family at its most vulnerable.

In a way, that's not so surprising. The campaign to indict the McCanns for the death of their own daughter was fought largely over the internet, where normal decencies rarely apply. Indeed, the plight of the McCanns could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse.

There's a familiarity, even an intimacy, to online conversation which encourages strangers to feel that they have an investment in stories which actually belong to other people. Kate and Gerry were not only the ultimate victims of cyber bullying, but one of its original casualties too, tried and found guilty in the International Court of Twitter, itself only one year old and in its technological infancy when Madeleine went missing. Every gesture, every word, was magnified with an almost Truman Show-style intensity.

In truth, it seems highly unlikely that Madeleine will ever be found alive, regardless of last week's optimistic headlines. Most children abducted by strangers are killed within hours of being taken. There's also the fact that sniffer dogs detected the scent of death in the McCanns' holiday apartment, strongly suggesting that Madeleine may have died that very first night. Sniffer dogs are not 100 per cent reliable; the evidence of their noses only an indicator which needs to be confirmed by other means. But the bathetic title of last week's Panorama -- Madeleine: The Last Hope? -- said it all.

Until that question mark is removed from the story, there will always be room for the malicious to mislead casual observers into continuing to cast suspicion on the McCanns.

The only consolation for Madeleine's parents is that the growth of the internet has been so swift during the lifetime of their ordeal that the cyber bullies now have so many other victims to pick on that they must necessarily have less energy left over to hammer Kate and Gerry.

For those intent on attacking the media, though, there may be other lessons to learn. The then chief constable of Leicestershire Police, Matt Baggott, has already told the Leveson Inquiry into press standards in the UK that he knew at the time when Portuguese police officers were briefing against Kate and Gerry McCann that they were doing so on the basis of a misinterpretation of the DNA evidence, but decided that it was wiser not to put reporters right, even privately.

Baggott acted entirely as the high-minded media monks, shuddering with distaste at any whisper of secret contact between the ladies and gentlemen of the press and the appointed agents of the state, would wish him to act. But the result was that a family was put through hell unnecessarily. It can only be hoped that Leveson does not throw the baby out with the bathwater and end up making it harder than ever for journalists to do their job, just so that an artificial aura of purity can be maintained.


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/eilis-ohanlon-the-sad-rise-of-cyber-courts-full-of-twittering-bullies-3095042.html


Eilis O'hanlon has just tweeted this.....


Eilis O'Hanlon‏@eilisohanlonReply


I see anti-McCannites are out in force, even dragging #Murdoch and #Cameron into the conspiracy. Why not aliens too? Idiots. #mccann

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Spaniel on 29.04.12 19:21

candyfloss wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Here it is............

Eilis O'Hanlon: The sad rise of cyber courts full of Twittering bullies

Normal decency does not apply for the social-media snipers who targeted the McCanns

Sunday April 29 2012

It wasn't so long ago that a Panorama documentary on Madeleine's disappearance would have brought the anti-McCann lobby out in force. Instead the Kate and Gerry-baiters were relatively quiet all week, having perhaps found another grieving family to torment in the meantime, or another conspiracy theory with which to fill their time.

Or it could simply be that they're flummoxed by the latest developments in the case. As Panorama reported last week in the run-up to the fifth anniversary of the little girl's disappearance from a holiday complex in Praia da Luz, not only has a year-long Metropolitan Police investigation come down firmly on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, it also claims to have good reason to believe she is still alive, even releasing an artist's digital impression of how she might look today, as she approaches her ninth birthday.

This wasn't the narrative which those convinced that the McCanns had something to do with their daughter's disappearance -- the ones who still post videos on YouTube full of cod psychological analyses of the couple's body language to a sinister musical accompaniment, or who leave messages on Twitter peppered with vile, unsubstantiated allegations -- had geared themselves up to expect. For now, no doubt, they remain bunkered in, regrouping, planning the next attack.

It shouldn't take them long. Portuguese police have already refused to reopen the case, dismissing as "mere speculation" claims from Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who headed up the team of 28 detectives and seven civilian support staff, that their review of 40,000 pieces of evidence had turned up nearly 200 previously unexplored lines of inquiry, meaning that, in all likelihood, the case will remain in suspended animation, files gathering dust, Madeleine forgotten.

That's the atmosphere in which rumours flourish. Already there are mutterings about the stg£2m cost of the review of evidence, and insinuations of political interference, not least allegations that UK Prime Minister David Cameron was only pressurised into authorising a new inquiry by News International, thereby neatly segueing into another of the chattering classes' latest obsessions, that of the Leveson Inquiry. Panorama trawled through that cesspit, too. It shouldn't be too hard for the conspiracy theorists to use it all to come up with a new excuse to reignite the anti-McCann fuse.

Which is incredible, when you think about it. Five years on and the most thorough investigation of the evidence -- involving, in Det Chief Inspector Redwood's words, "turning every single piece of paper over and interpreting and analysing what is contained within them" -- has concluded that all those pulp fiction scenarios involving an unstable mother killing her own child and a controlling father disposing of the body, with both then colluding in an incredibly effective manipulation of an entire police force and the world media, were nothing but the poisonous fantasies which Madeleine's parents always said they were.

Yet the reaction has been so muted that it feels as if this is just another day at the office for the obsessives. Having invested so much time and emotional energy into demonising the McCanns, it's as if they're still reluctant to give up, much less apologise for the hurt that they caused to a family at its most vulnerable.

In a way, that's not so surprising. The campaign to indict the McCanns for the death of their own daughter was fought largely over the internet, where normal decencies rarely apply. Indeed, the plight of the McCanns could almost stand as a metaphor for the rise of social media as the predominant mode of public discourse.

There's a familiarity, even an intimacy, to online conversation which encourages strangers to feel that they have an investment in stories which actually belong to other people. Kate and Gerry were not only the ultimate victims of cyber bullying, but one of its original casualties too, tried and found guilty in the International Court of Twitter, itself only one year old and in its technological infancy when Madeleine went missing. Every gesture, every word, was magnified with an almost Truman Show-style intensity.

In truth, it seems highly unlikely that Madeleine will ever be found alive, regardless of last week's optimistic headlines. Most children abducted by strangers are killed within hours of being taken. There's also the fact that sniffer dogs detected the scent of death in the McCanns' holiday apartment, strongly suggesting that Madeleine may have died that very first night. Sniffer dogs are not 100 per cent reliable; the evidence of their noses only an indicator which needs to be confirmed by other means. But the bathetic title of last week's Panorama -- Madeleine: The Last Hope? -- said it all.

Until that question mark is removed from the story, there will always be room for the malicious to mislead casual observers into continuing to cast suspicion on the McCanns.

The only consolation for Madeleine's parents is that the growth of the internet has been so swift during the lifetime of their ordeal that the cyber bullies now have so many other victims to pick on that they must necessarily have less energy left over to hammer Kate and Gerry.

For those intent on attacking the media, though, there may be other lessons to learn. The then chief constable of Leicestershire Police, Matt Baggott, has already told the Leveson Inquiry into press standards in the UK that he knew at the time when Portuguese police officers were briefing against Kate and Gerry McCann that they were doing so on the basis of a misinterpretation of the DNA evidence, but decided that it was wiser not to put reporters right, even privately.

Baggott acted entirely as the high-minded media monks, shuddering with distaste at any whisper of secret contact between the ladies and gentlemen of the press and the appointed agents of the state, would wish him to act. But the result was that a family was put through hell unnecessarily. It can only be hoped that Leveson does not throw the baby out with the bathwater and end up making it harder than ever for journalists to do their job, just so that an artificial aura of purity can be maintained.


http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/eilis-ohanlon-the-sad-rise-of-cyber-courts-full-of-twittering-bullies-3095042.html


Eilis O'hanlon has just tweeted this.....


Eilis O'Hanlon‏@eilisohanlonReply


I see anti-McCannites are out in force, even dragging #Murdoch and #Cameron into the conspiracy. Why not aliens too? Idiots. #mccann
She lowered herself to that level, a professional journalist, how crass!

Spaniel

Posts : 743
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-01-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by ShuBob on 29.04.12 19:24

Certain individuals on Twitter don't know when to stop. I suspect Eilis will now be treated to a torrent of abuse. It's unnecesary IMO. Let her use foul language if she wants. Don't give her any ammunition.

ShuBob

Posts : 1893
Reputation : 57
Join date : 2012-02-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re- Madeleine In Irish Papers Today..

Post by sijm on 29.04.12 19:28

When getting a close up view on Google Earth, try taking a digital photograph of object you are interested in, you will of course need an up to date camera.

Target the object that you want to enhance in macro/ISO mode, then, upload photographs on PC and edit using light or shade to enhance the photograph, do not photoshop,(I haven't got it anyway) one can get remarkable results just by enhancing the light and shade to have a clearer picture, zoom in take another pic and do the same until you are happy with results, the process does take some time to perfect a tiny shade at a time.

Quite disappointed about the Portugues not using those Sat pics, makes one wonder what are they afraid of seeing, obviously the met thought they had something of interest or they would not have put them forward?

I hear they (the Portuguese) have just replied, there was a thorough search made of the area at the time, makes one wonder who is pulling the strings, talk about turning a blind eye.

The guy who took the Phenomena of small human image, bound in white, pic was apparently taken via Google Earth dated June 22. 2007, on Rocha Negra, he says if it is of no further use to the PJ. he will put it on a phenomena web site, as a phenomena and only after consulting all interested parties first, will be intereting to see if a block is put on it.

____________________


sijm

Posts : 126
Reputation : 1
Join date : 2011-11-27

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by tuom on 29.04.12 19:31

@PeterMac wrote:
@russiandoll wrote: SNIP The spy cameras which can detect the number plate of a car from five miles up,
Sorry to be racist but this is an Irish paper !
Spy satellite 5 miles up ? 5 miles is the altitude of a normal transatlantic jet, Concorde flew at over 10 miles.
Spy satellites orbit at between 175 miles and 625 miles.
If you use google earth or maps.google, there is a point at which the satellite image changes into one taken from a light plane. Not a lot of people know that !



Your not racist are you PeterMac I posted the article as it is relevant to the case but must admit that I have no clue what these spy satellite cameras are ! What is there purpose ? are they an object or is it like communication lines and how would they gather information ? I presume they must be a bit more than CCTV , this may be a bit off topic

tuom

Posts : 530
Reputation : 1
Join date : 2012-03-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by friedtomatoes on 29.04.12 19:38

Spy satellite images were requested by the PJ in 2007 and were refused, now SY have been given them just like that, and the PJ refuse to look into them?
wft

And Alan Johnson is and always was talking out of his derrier!

friedtomatoes

Posts : 591
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-04-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Spaniel on 29.04.12 20:01

@ShuBob wrote:Certain individuals on Twitter don't know when to stop. I suspect Eilis will now be treated to a torrent of abuse. It's unnecesary IMO. Let her use foul language if she wants. Don't give her any ammunition.
ShuBob, the modern way seems to be, if you have nothing to say, say something anyway. Witness Redwood last week.

It's the facebook/twitter phenomenon.

Oooh, I have nothing to post. I know. "Hi all, off to make beans on toast/ have a shower/ feed the dog" Seems to have spread to not only the Met but journalists too.

Unless for business purposes, I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.

Spaniel

Posts : 743
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-01-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Miraflores on 29.04.12 20:12

Or it could simply be that they're flummoxed by the latest developments
in the case. As Panorama reported last week in the run-up to the fifth
anniversary of the little girl's disappearance from a holiday complex in
Praia da Luz, not only has a year-long Metropolitan Police
investigation come down firmly on the theory that Madeleine was abducted
by a stranger, it also claims to have good reason to believe she is
still alive, even releasing an artist's digital impression of how she
might look today, as she approaches her ninth birthday.

What tosh! Rubbish like the above is clearly an insult to the intelligence and I think fewer people are being taken in by it. I thought it came down to she might be dead, she might be alive. Artists impression - well, what is that worth?

I don't think the McCann sceptics are flumoxed - I think a few more eyes have been opened that there is something fishy about this case.

Miraflores

Posts : 845
Reputation : 4
Join date : 2011-06-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by pauline on 29.04.12 20:19

@ShuBob wrote:
@pauline wrote:I agree with Aiyoyo that Eilis O'Hanlon's book review of madeleine is 'artfully crafted' and that the discerning reader can read between the lines.

However, this thoughtful and balanced review, makes it very hard to understand why she would have written such an unbalanced opinion piece in the same paper a year later. The Sunday Independent is not one of the papers sued by the McCanns. This journalist is clearly more than able to craft her work so as not to leave herself open to libel. So why has this experienced journalist (she is well known here) apparently changed her mind - I honestly have no idea.

An earlier poster thinks there has been better (ie balanced) coverage coming out of Ireland and Scotland. I'm not sure I agree. certainly its been worse in the Uk papers but I cant recall anything balanced in the mainstream media here, other than Eilis's book review which I didn't see at the time.

George Galloway's opinion piece from 2007 was in a Scottish newspaper

My post referred to the mainstream media. In Ireland, nothing but the book review by Eilis. Our 'quality' paper the Irish Times has not queried anything.There was a book review in a local Dublin paper Town&Village that asked questions but that is not a mainstream paper. Good that Galloway wrote that but how many stories were there in the Scottish media that swallowed the McCann story?

pauline

Posts : 548
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2011-05-08

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Spaniel on 29.04.12 20:26

@PeterMac wrote:
@Spaniel wrote:If they can see eye colour they must be able to see buttons on trousers!
A satellite, even if the resolution were that good, which it isn't, could surely only see your bald patch (well, mine actually !) not my eyes.
Ditto number plates on cars. These are urban myths
I was being facetious PeterMac. Donal Macintyre's gone soft IMHO.

Spaniel

Posts : 743
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-01-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by friedtomatoes on 29.04.12 20:33

perhaps eilis o hanlon needs to be pt in touch with another irish mate who has investigated the mccann fund

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id405.html

friedtomatoes

Posts : 591
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-04-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Guest on 29.04.12 20:39

Have a look at her twitter page and tweets omg bigshock

http://twitter.com/#!/eilisohanlon


And here is a good reply to her.........



Chris Stedman‏@ChrisRStedmanReply

@eilisohanlon @RothleyPillow As a 'journalist', shouldn't you be analysing the data, not joining in sided arguments on Twitter? #McCann

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by tigger on 29.04.12 20:48

Eilis O'Hanlon's article: I've snipped it heavily, just selected a few interesting paragraphs.

quote:

- not only has a year-long Metropolitan Police investigation come down firmly on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by a stranger, it also claims to have good reason to believe she is still alive, even releasing an artist's digital impression of how she might look today, as she approaches her ninth birthday.
still alive - sure that she was abducted by a stranger

Which is incredible, when you think about it. Five years on and the most thorough investigation of the evidence -- involving, in Det Chief Inspector Redwood's words, "turning every single piece of paper over and interpreting and analysing what is contained within them" -- has concluded that all those pulp fiction scenarios involving an unstable mother killing her own child and a controlling father disposing of the body, with both then colluding in an incredibly effective manipulation of an entire police force and the world media, were nothing but the poisonous fantasies which Madeleine's parents always said they were.
Actually, a large number of posters think it may have been an accident - the unstable mother idea isn't that popular

In truth, it seems highly unlikely that Madeleine will ever be found alive, regardless of last week's optimistic headlines. Most children abducted by strangers are killed within hours of being taken. There's also the fact that sniffer dogs detected the scent of death in the McCanns' holiday apartment, strongly suggesting that Madeleine may have died that very first night. Sniffer dogs are not 100 per cent reliable; the evidence of their noses only an indicator which needs to be confirmed by other means. But the bathetic title of last week's Panorama -- Madeleine: The Last Hope? -- said it all.
Errm Strongly suggesting she might have died that first night - so that makes it the 29th april? could you enlighten us?

The only consolation for Madeleine's parents is that the growth of the internet has been so swift during the lifetime of their ordeal that the cyber bullies now have so many other victims to pick on that they must necessarily have less energy left over to hammer Kate and Gerry.
Sorry, can't think of anyone more interesting to discuss than the McCanns, it's the best puzzle ever. unquote

I picked out a number of paragraphs - here is the contradiction again that she's alive and almost certainly dead. But on that very first night? Does the lady know something we don't?



____________________
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.

tigger

Posts : 8112
Reputation : 24
Join date : 2011-07-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Guest on 29.04.12 20:50


Dr David Payne ‏@DodgyDrPayne


@eilisohanlon perhaps you could venture your opinion on the Gaspar statements? #mccann




Eilis O'Hanlon‏@eilisohanlon

@DodgyDrPayne Unsavoury, but not evidence of murder and/or cover up #McCann




Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by friedtomatoes on 29.04.12 20:51

well spotted tigger, what on earth made her say madeleine died that firstnight!!!!

____________________


friedtomatoes

Posts : 591
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-04-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by Guest on 29.04.12 20:55

@tigger, she means the first night of being taken, that very first night. Not earlier in the holiday. That is what it means I think. As Pat Brown said the other day most abductions end with the victim being killed within hours of being taken.

There's also the fact that sniffer dogs detected the scent of death in the McCanns' holiday apartment, strongly suggesting that Madeleine may have died that very first night

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by tigger on 29.04.12 20:58

@friedtomatoes wrote:well spotted tigger, what on earth made her say madeleine died that firstnight!!!!

She's not a very good writer. It seems to me that she's had instructions to blast the internet trolls. It sounds very much like a TM instruction. See Forensic Linguistics, where Kate tells Lorraine that there are people on the internet whose job it is to attack them and they will probably move on to other vulnerable families...
Sounds too familiar to me altogether - same message from this O'Hanlon, this moving on to other families is a most peculiar idea.

Well, so far Ms. O'Hanlon has been quite helpful. She almost believes the dogs and is pretty sure Maddie is dead and she even seems to know exactly when. Which is what we've been trying to find out for quite some time.

____________________
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.

tigger

Posts : 8112
Reputation : 24
Join date : 2011-07-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by friedtomatoes on 29.04.12 21:04

@tigger wrote:
@friedtomatoes wrote:well spotted tigger, what on earth made her say madeleine died that firstnight!!!!

She's not a very good writer. It seems to me that she's had instructions to blast the internet trolls. It sounds very much like a TM instruction. See Forensic Linguistics, where Kate tells Lorraine that there are people on the internet whose job it is to attack them and they will probably move on to other vulnerable families...
Sounds too familiar to me altogether - same message from this O'Hanlon, this moving on to other families is a most peculiar idea.

Well, so far Ms. O'Hanlon has been quite helpful. She almost believes the dogs and is pretty sure Maddie is dead and she even seems to know exactly when. Which is what we've been trying to find out for quite some time.

LOL!

friedtomatoes

Posts : 591
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-04-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by friedtomatoes on 29.04.12 21:09

Didnt know where to post this but is an example of what arch pro mccanns post as evidence of their innocence

Its complete claptrap


http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2007/08/19/maddie-cops-totally-clueless-102039-19658501/


friedtomatoes

Posts : 591
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-04-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by tigger on 29.04.12 21:13

candyfloss wrote:@tigger, she means the first night of being taken, that very first night. Not earlier in the holiday. That is what it means I think. As Pat Brown said the other day most abductions end with the victim being killed within hours of being taken.

There's also the fact that sniffer dogs detected the scent of death in the McCanns' holiday apartment, strongly suggesting that Madeleine may have died that very first night

It's very badly worded isn't it? That same night would have been better. And this argument overlooks the fact that there's no point for an abductor to take a dead child with him. Apart from the fact that a measure of time is needed for the cadaver odour to develop.
So, in that case you have an abductor who sits around for about an hour or so - then carries a dead child very awkwardly through the town.


____________________
Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch'entrate.

tigger

Posts : 8112
Reputation : 24
Join date : 2011-07-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Reference Madeline in Irish papers today ..

Post by ShuBob on 29.04.12 22:59

@tigger wrote:
@friedtomatoes wrote:well spotted tigger, what on earth made her say madeleine died that firstnight!!!!

She's not a very good writer. It seems to me that she's had instructions to blast the internet trolls. It sounds very much like a TM instruction. See Forensic Linguistics, where Kate tells Lorraine that there are people on the internet whose job it is to attack them and they will probably move on to other vulnerable families...
Sounds too familiar to me altogether - same message from this O'Hanlon, this moving on to other families is a most peculiar idea.

Well, so far Ms. O'Hanlon has been quite helpful. She almost believes the dogs and is pretty sure Maddie is dead and she even seems to know exactly when. Which is what we've been trying to find out for quite some time.

I actually think she's on a sort of fishing expedition instigated by herself. She may be writing another article and is looking for material to justify some of her points. That's how it reads to me anyway given what she's written previously about the case. IMO she cannot be accused of being a supporter of the couple.

ShuBob

Posts : 1893
Reputation : 57
Join date : 2012-02-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 3 Previous  1, 2, 3  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum