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Post by Guest on 29.04.12 10:35

Oh dear oh dear, mystery solved...............


Inside the twisted minds of the Madeleine McCann child snatchers



Respected ... kidnap inspector Ian Horrocks


From ANTONELLA LAZZERI in Praia da Luz, Portugal


Published: Today at 01:19


MADELEINE McCann was targeted from the moment she arrived at the resort where she was snatched — but her abductor was NOT a paedophile, a former top British cop believes.



She was almost certainly taken by a childless couple, respected kidnap investigator Ian Horrocks decided after reviewing the case.

The Sun took Ian to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Portugal, to walk in the footsteps of whoever was responsible for three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance on a family holiday five years ago.

Here he presents his shocking conclusions on the case that baffled Portuguese police have closed. Ian says:

- MADELEINE and her family were watched for days before she was taken from their apartment.

- IT was NOT an impulsive act by a lone monster, nor a “kidnap to order” by someone acting for a paedophile ring.

- MOST vitally for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry — there is a good chance she is still ALIVE.

Ian is well qualified to review the case after a successful 30-year career in London’s Metropolitan Police.

He served as a senior investigating officer on homicide and for five years led one of Scotland Yard’s Kidnap and Specialist Investigations teams.

Walking around Apartment 5a at the resort — where the little girl was taken from her bed as her parents dined with friends — Ian stated firmly:

“Madeleine was most likely abducted by a couple. The nature of the crime, the manner in which it was carried out, together with my examination of the scene, all point to it being two people.


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“It is clear the plan and the escape route were planned and probably rehearsed. It was not impulsive.

“The people who took Madeleine most likely don’t have children of their own, or a close, extended family.

“I am of the opinion they speak English as they are well-educated and would need to control her.

“Possibly they do not speak it fluently — and not necessarily as their first language.

“I do NOT believe Madeleine was targeted by a paedophile ring. There are many places where snatching a child for this purpose is simpler.

“And she was nearly four — younger than the usual target age for a paedophile.

“Madeleine was taken by someone who wanted her as part of their family. I believe they saw her earlier in the week and developed their plan to abduct her.”

Ian went on: “The main questions are, where is Madeleine now? And why has she not been discovered?”

He argued: “Many have said that, with all the publicity, she would have been seen. This is incorrect. There are many instances where this has not happened.

“Her hair could be dyed, she could be tanned, speaking a different language. She could even be dressed as a boy.


“Another point is that a child will often believe what they are told and act accordingly. Memories cannot be totally erased but behaviour can be controlled.

“The person who did this is both a controlled and controlling individual.

“There is a good chance that the couple who took her may have subsequently moved. New friends and neighbours will accept them and not be suspicious.

“I do not believe she is in the Praia da Luz area. But if taken by someone who is Portuguese, she could still be in the country or somewhere where Portuguese is the main language — even Brazil. If she was not taken by someone local, the reality is, she could be anywhere. ”

After examining the crime scene, Ian told us: “The abductor could have made good his escape in less than two minutes.

“By turning right from the apartment he could have been totally out of sight within 30 seconds of taking Madeleine.

“This involved observing the McCanns for some time. There were six sightings of a suspicious male in the days prior to Madeleine’s abduction.

“On that night, Gerry would have been seen checking on his children at 9.05pm, then returning to the tapas bar. It was the ideal time. Sunset on May 3 2007 was 8.25pm. It would have been quite dark by 9pm.

“They knew they had 20 to 30 minutes between checks on the children.

“The abductor went into the garden area, entered through the unlocked patio doors and went to the bedroom, where Madeleine was asleep. A car could have been parked nearby.”

This timing would fit in with a 9.15pm sighting by Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ holiday group, of a man walking away carrying a child in his arms.

Ian said: “I firmly believe the man she saw was Madeleine’s abductor.”

He also believes the investigation was hampered from the beginning. He said: “The scene should have been sealed when the first officer arrived to preserve any forensic evidence.

“And from early on the Portuguese police obviously suspected Kate and Gerry were involved. In such cases, an investigator can subconsciously try to make the evidence fit his theory.

“I do not believe the McCanns were involved. To imagine they are capable of creating an elaborate cover-up and then go out to dinner is ludicrous.

“Portuguese police appear to have decided within a short space of time that Madeleine was dead.

“An investigator who believes this reacts differently to one looking for a live person. There should also have been house-to-house enquiries to establish who was in the resort and nearby. And there should have been a more urgent, wider appeal for witnesses.”

Last week Portuguese officials rejected a call to reopen the case after a review by British police revealed 195 new leads.

But Ian believes Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, should be reinterviewed, along with others in their holiday group and other witnesses.

He added: “There are NO reliable forensics, there are NO apparent suspects. All that is left are witnesses. This is where the focus should be. It is almost five years since this terrible offence. But it is NOT too late.”

a.lazzeri@the-sun.co.uk


Where could she be?

COP says Maddie could be in Brazil if abducted by a Portuguese-speaker.

- HE warns she may be tanned, have hair dyed and talk a new language.

- IF her hair is cut shorter, she could even be dressed and disguised as a boy.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4285908/Inside-the-twisted-minds-of-the-Madeleine-McCann-child-snatchers.html



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Post by Guest on 29.04.12 10:37

The abductor went into the garden area, entered through the unlocked patio doors and went to the bedroom, where Madeleine was asleep. A car could have been parked nearby.”

This timing would fit in with a 9.15pm sighting by Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ holiday group, of a man walking away carrying a child in his arms.


He carefully omits that there was a car park right next to the apartment. So what was the abductor doing walking around the resort duh .

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Post by Guest on 29.04.12 10:43

Some comments on article......


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So a childless couple take the older child and leave two younger ones? right that would be a good plan wouldn't it?





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yet another theory thrown in to add to the confusion, I'm sorry It doesn't ring true



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Forgot to say, you realise the story has to change from it been sex offenders who have taken her to a childless couple, simply because everyone knows if it had been the former the chances she would still be alive are barley existent, so now it has to be a childless couple so she is going to be still alive!!!!




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Post by russiandoll on 29.04.12 10:50

The stand -out problems in this scenario for me are :

imo pre planning would have meant an earlier abduction rather than on the night when checks suddenly became more rigorous and narrowed the gap for a snatch. esp if there was a dry run as suspected by Kate in her book....that would have been the time to do it, when already in the apartment.

no need to cross the road with abducted child in arms, a car could so easily have been in the car park ready for a getaway I can only guess that this ex dectective believes maybe the walk across the road was to be perceived as just another tourist taking a child back from evening creche, but he does not say that. In that case, I would have expected a blanket and/or a different position for a sleeping child esp of Maddie's age........upright over the shouder with arms placed around adult's neck for support and safety in case of waking, also much more comfortable for an adult .
if the snatch was for a child to raise with care, there was a smaller ,easier to handle and more easily placated child available.

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Post by PeterMac on 29.04.12 10:53

And your evidence for this is ...... ?

Oh, yes, I have just re-read it. You "Firmly believe".
So that's final then.
"Don't confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up."
Honestly it isn't worth going through this in detail. I have coffee to make, and a pressing engagement in Stornoway.

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Post by aiyoyo on 29.04.12 10:53

Are we stuck on April 1st?

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Post by Guest on 29.04.12 10:55

candyfloss wrote:Oh dear oh dear, mystery solved...............


Inside the twisted minds of the Madeleine McCann child snatchers



Respected ... kidnap inspector Ian Horrocks


From ANTONELLA LAZZERI in Praia da Luz, Portugal


Published: Today at 01:19


MADELEINE McCann was targeted from the moment she arrived at the resort where she was snatched — but her abductor was NOT a paedophile, a former top British cop believes.



She was almost certainly taken by a childless couple, respected kidnap investigator Ian Horrocks decided after reviewing the case.

The Sun took Ian to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Portugal, to walk in the footsteps of whoever was responsible for three-year-old Madeleine’s disappearance on a family holiday five years ago.

Here he presents his shocking conclusions on the case that baffled Portuguese police have closed. Ian says:

- MADELEINE and her family were watched for days before she was taken from their apartment.

- IT was NOT an impulsive act by a lone monster, nor a “kidnap to order” by someone acting for a paedophile ring.

- MOST vitally for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry — there is a good chance she is still ALIVE.

Ian is well qualified to review the case after a successful 30-year career in London’s Metropolitan Police.

He served as a senior investigating officer on homicide and for five years led one of Scotland Yard’s Kidnap and Specialist Investigations teams.

Walking around Apartment 5a at the resort — where the little girl was taken from her bed as her parents dined with friends — Ian stated firmly:

“Madeleine was most likely abducted by a couple. The nature of the crime, the manner in which it was carried out, together with my examination of the scene, all point to it being two people.


Loss ... Kate and Gerry McCann
“It is clear the plan and the escape route were planned and probably rehearsed. It was not impulsive.

“The people who took Madeleine most likely don’t have children of their own, or a close, extended family.

“I am of the opinion they speak English as they are well-educated and would need to control her.

“Possibly they do not speak it fluently — and not necessarily as their first language.

“I do NOT believe Madeleine was targeted by a paedophile ring. There are many places where snatching a child for this purpose is simpler.

“And she was nearly four — younger than the usual target age for a paedophile.

“Madeleine was taken by someone who wanted her as part of their family. I believe they saw her earlier in the week and developed their plan to abduct her.”

Ian went on: “The main questions are, where is Madeleine now? And why has she not been discovered?”

He argued: “Many have said that, with all the publicity, she would have been seen. This is incorrect. There are many instances where this has not happened.

“Her hair could be dyed, she could be tanned, speaking a different language. She could even be dressed as a boy.


“Another point is that a child will often believe what they are told and act accordingly. Memories cannot be totally erased but behaviour can be controlled.

“The person who did this is both a controlled and controlling individual.

“There is a good chance that the couple who took her may have subsequently moved. New friends and neighbours will accept them and not be suspicious.

“I do not believe she is in the Praia da Luz area. But if taken by someone who is Portuguese, she could still be in the country or somewhere where Portuguese is the main language — even Brazil. If she was not taken by someone local, the reality is, she could be anywhere. ”

After examining the crime scene, Ian told us: “The abductor could have made good his escape in less than two minutes.

“By turning right from the apartment he could have been totally out of sight within 30 seconds of taking Madeleine.

“This involved observing the McCanns for some time. There were six sightings of a suspicious male in the days prior to Madeleine’s abduction.

“On that night, Gerry would have been seen checking on his children at 9.05pm, then returning to the tapas bar. It was the ideal time. Sunset on May 3 2007 was 8.25pm. It would have been quite dark by 9pm.

“They knew they had 20 to 30 minutes between checks on the children.

“The abductor went into the garden area, entered through the unlocked patio doors and went to the bedroom, where Madeleine was asleep. A car could have been parked nearby.”

This timing would fit in with a 9.15pm sighting by Jane Tanner, one of the McCanns’ holiday group, of a man walking away carrying a child in his arms.

Ian said: “I firmly believe the man she saw was Madeleine’s abductor.”

He also believes the investigation was hampered from the beginning. He said: “The scene should have been sealed when the first officer arrived to preserve any forensic evidence.

“And from early on the Portuguese police obviously suspected Kate and Gerry were involved. In such cases, an investigator can subconsciously try to make the evidence fit his theory.

“I do not believe the McCanns were involved. To imagine they are capable of creating an elaborate cover-up and then go out to dinner is ludicrous.

“Portuguese police appear to have decided within a short space of time that Madeleine was dead.

“An investigator who believes this reacts differently to one looking for a live person. There should also have been house-to-house enquiries to establish who was in the resort and nearby. And there should have been a more urgent, wider appeal for witnesses.”

Last week Portuguese officials rejected a call to reopen the case after a review by British police revealed 195 new leads.

But Ian believes Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, should be reinterviewed, along with others in their holiday group and other witnesses.

He added: “There are NO reliable forensics, there are NO apparent suspects. All that is left are witnesses. This is where the focus should be. It is almost five years since this terrible offence. But it is NOT too late.”

a.lazzeri@the-sun.co.uk


Where could she be?

COP says Maddie could be in Brazil if abducted by a Portuguese-speaker.

- HE warns she may be tanned, have hair dyed and talk a new language.

- IF her hair is cut shorter, she could even be dressed and disguised as a boy.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4285908/Inside-the-twisted-minds-of-the-Madeleine-McCann-child-snatchers.html



I've marked and underscored the relevant last two paragraphs.
Please note, that the Sun has now effectively turned coats, and has joined the chorus of those who wish to see the Tapasniks heard as witnesses in a crime investigation.

No less. I consider this a watershed.

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Post by tigger on 29.04.12 11:00

If they'd been watching Maddie, and if we go with the McCann family statements of her character (she was a screamer - etc) then surely the completely comatose Amelie would have been the preferred child? The younger, the better. Would barely know she ever had another family.

Thanks for pointing out that paedophilia is out for statistical reasons. Also rather tasteless to search for a girl who's been abused for five years, yet still has that serene look of the mock-up. This is a much better fairy tale. South America being rather large, overpopulated, with many thousands of orphans looking for a home - the abductors must have taken a look at the fantastic stock this girl came from and decided these genes were superior to anything available in say - Brazil.
Then they would make her look like a native - errrm isn't that really a very complicated way to 'adopt' a child? One that looks just like thousands of others in need of parents, in your own country?
Do journalists have brains? Even Grimms fairytales are more believable.

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Post by russiandoll on 29.04.12 11:12

and to think a trained experienced ex- cop said she might be in Brazil. Of course, she MIGHT be anywhere. My brain hurts with this....

it is such a dire situation but I had to laugh when an exasperated member of my family said with real annoyance last night that the parents would be on Strictly Come Dancing soon. He has a very dark sense of humour, realises there is nothing remotely funny about this, he is simply staggered at how the pair are being treated and admired in certain quarters.

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Post by Spaniel on 29.04.12 11:16

This isn't the first time Horrocks has been wrong. From the first link it seems the police were glad to see the back of him.

Why take an older girl, disguise her as a boy, when they knew a younger boy was in the room? How did they get into 5A? Why didn't he know there was a carpark? Why wasn't she snatched as soon as the Mc's left for dinner?

Read the Beckams kidnap case. He was also second in command on the Jill Dando case and believed Barry George was guilty

http://www.scotsman.com/news/uk/beckham_kidnap_case_thrown_out_amid_claims_newspaper_bribed_key_witness_1_650547

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2493252/Jill-Dando-Police-discuss-closing-murder-investigation.html

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Post by Spaniel on 29.04.12 11:20

@russiandoll wrote: and to think a trained experienced ex- cop said she might be in Brazil. Of course, she MIGHT be anywhere. My brain hurts with this....

it is such a dire situation but I had to laugh when an exasperated member of my family said with real annoyance last night that the parents would be on Strictly Come Dancing soon. He has a very dark sense of humour, realises there is nothing remotely funny about this, he is simply staggered at how the pair are being treated and admired in certain quarters.
It's not impossible, depends how much the beeb would donate to the "fund"

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Post by russiandoll on 29.04.12 11:26

"Why take an older girl, disguise her as a boy, when they knew a younger boy was in the room? "

He said Maddie was targeted.... not any other toddler in the resort, for some reason it had to be this family, one of these children and that child had to be Madeleine, but he does not give any rational explanation why.

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Post by PeterMac on 29.04.12 11:29

Even Sun readers are beginning to think for themselves....
Before they are whooshed ...
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Respected former Policeman? Respected by a PR team for saying what they want him to say perhaps? I thought the last private investigator working for the parents said that she was being held in a secret lair in a village 10 miles away several years ago and he would be getting back to us with that shortly! As for stolen to order any idiot not a former Policeman selling a story could work out that a kidnapper would have taken one or both of the babies who Madeleine was looking after. Please stop treating your readers as morons this is getting ridiculous.
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How sad that this nonsense should be put in the paper. There is absolutely NO evidence for this theory so why publish it?
The McCanns need to live with hope but from genuine evidence NOT conjecture.
Was their hotel room locked? Getting into the hotel was easy but would a childless couple driven to this terrible act have the knowledge to pass through a locked hotel room door?
I agree with english-and-proud581 when they say "why leave the younger ones"i
if this conjecture is to stand up?
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TBH could very many couples anywhere in the world take on a new young child without alerting suspicion in some way? This is absolute conjecture designed to keep this story in the spotlight, nonetheless I hope they find Maddy alive and well.
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Oh dear here we go again more bull being trotted out.
Every anniversary some dross comes out, next will be send more money, sorry for being synical.
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So a childless couple take the older child and leave two younger ones? right that would be a good plan wouldn't it?
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yet another theory thrown in to add to the confusion, I'm sorry It doesn't ring true
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Forgot to say, you realise the story has to change from it been sex offenders who have taken her to a childless couple, simply because everyone knows if it had been the former the chances she would still be alive are barley existent, so now it has to be a childless couple so she is going to be still alive!!!!
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His findings are all guess work there is no proof of any of this being true.
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This is only speculation. No-one knows any more and will not know the truth until she is found.
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Poor little thing. Its horrible to think about her being taken. Its difficult to think that - that night could of been any worse, but it could of been alot worse. Very very bitter sweet for the parents.
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I just hope he is right, as if she was taken by a childless couple, they are likely to have looked after her well. But of course they were wrong to take her, and if this is what happened, she must be found and returned to her real parents.
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If this little girl has been dramatically changed, her distinctive eye hasn't. If she is in a school somewhere around the world or has ever been sick and seen by a doctor for sure she has made eye contact with these people. Even if who ever has taken here moved to a new destination the neighbours children will notice it. As children are very courious and would ask why one eye is diffrent to another, unless she is locked away like some of the recent cases we've heard about and hasn't been outdoors. I pray for this child and like her many many more to be retuned home safely in the loving arms of thier parents
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What would have happened if the McCanns were from a council estate? and not Doctors?
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I've said it from day one...I believe this child was stolen to order. I would not be at all surprised if she was found alive, living in the middle east.
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Maybe maybe could be hear say might of happened could have happened the only thing he may have got right ids the maybe 2 people involved.
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I think everyone knows what the real truth is...but no-one has been able to prove it.
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Nothing in this sad situation adds up.
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oh cop says she could be in Brazil , because they might speak Portuguese? what if they spoke arabic? besides there is Angola, and Mozambique where they speak Portuguese too, i live in Brazil and can say if she was anywhere else except the southern state ( rio grande do sul where i live which is colonized by Germans and Italians) she would stand out like a sore thumb, as blond haired blue eyed white skinned people are few and far between., as for Mozambique and Angola- they are ex Portuguese colonies in Africa.
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Whoever was responsible for this has disguised their tracks that the truth will never come out unless they want it to, poor girl.
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I think his theory is a load of nonsense. The sad but more then likely truth is that she is no longer alive.
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what cystal ball did you look into, to know that
goonergirl23 0 likes
So why were her siblings left behind? Why didn't they take them as well? I'd love to think Madeline was still alive but I doubt it somehow.

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Post by Blimunda on 29.04.12 11:53

"COP says Maddie could be in Brazil if abducted by a Portuguese-speaker."
Why would someone snatch a little girl from her bed in PDL and take her to Brazil?! Much easier to snatch one in Brazil...
And we are told this by a "Respected...kidnap inspector"!!
"In such cases, an investigator can subconsciously try to make the evidence fit his theory"
Oh yes! You just did it Mr. I. Horrocks. And not subconsciously at all.
By the way, where's the evidence ?

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Just thought I'd place both of the new age-progressed pics here to help double the chances of Madeleine being found either in Brazil or in europe.

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Post by PeterMac on 29.04.12 12:15

@Blimunda wrote:"COP says Maddie could be in Brazil if abducted by a Portuguese-speaker."
Why would someone snatch a little girl from her bed in PDL and take her to Brazil?! Much easier to snatch one in Brazil...
And we are told this by a "Respected...kidnap inspector"!!
"In such cases, an investigator can subconsciously try to make the evidence fit his theory"
Oh yes! You just did it Mr. I. Horrocks. And not subconsciously at all.
By the way, where's the evidence ?

Or Angola, Mozambique, Cape Verde, Galicia, Guinea Bissau, São Tomé, or Mauritius. To name but a few.

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Post by russiandoll on 29.04.12 12:22

The facial expression on the child on the left [done in USA I believe of a Maddie aged 8.]..it is far too mature, composed and serene for a child, even if meant to portray shy and reserved.
Those cheeks are ridiculous imo
Shehas the air in this photo of some young member of a royal family sitting for a portrait..........not like an ordinary young girl at all.
so age 8 and age 9.......children do change in a year but.....

Add the events of last week, this is getting too ridicuous for words. Life on Mars is more believable.
Someone needs to fire up the bloody Quattro.

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Post by anil39200 on 29.04.12 12:24

Ep
@Spaniel wrote:
@russiandoll wrote: and to think a trained experienced ex- cop said she might be in Brazil. Of course, she MIGHT be anywhere. My brain hurts with this....

it is such a dire situation but I had to laugh when an exasperated member of my family said with real annoyance last night that the parents would be on Strictly Come Dancing soon. He has a very dark sense of humour, realises there is nothing remotely funny about this, he is simply staggered at how the pair are being treated and admired in certain quarters.
It's not impossible, depends how much the beeb would donate to the "fund"



The image of the two of them dancing on the beeb has gone through my mind and it was not pleasant. But you know they have an expert for the odd spins. I do think they would get someone to do it for them as they do expect others to dance to their tune!

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Re: Inside the twisted minds of the Madeleine McCann child snatchers

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 29.04.12 12:37

Oh for the love of God. How can any journo/newspaper even consider publishing such tripe?

An abduction is in the order of millions to one, eliminate paedos, and you narrow the field even more, so we are looking at hundreds of millions to one.

Take that 0.0001 % of a chance and then try and cram it into a window of say 5 minutes, and you are reducing it to such an microscopic fraction of a percent.

They reckon there is a real chance of this do they? Boll...s. Based on what, may I ask?

Compare this to the statistical FACT that the very hugest majority of abductions are by a known person in the order of 90% ish.

Hmmm.....which avenue would you pursue in a national newspaper?

Absolutely stupid, unsubstantiated twaddle. And to think sceptics are regarded as cruel and evil trolls, when there is publicly available footage of cadaver and blood dogs marking the exact same places and items belonging to or used by the McCanns.

Anyway, you can buy a child for a few quid from another country quite legally I may add. And IF they had had the opportunity to watch and study the McCanns for the best part of a week, that would be enough to put someone off stealing one of their children, unless the imaginary abductor were so appalled that these people were going out and leaving helpless children alone at night, they thought they would rescue one from the danger they were in.



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Re: Inside the twisted minds of the Madeleine McCann child snatchers

Post by tigger on 29.04.12 14:12

@ufercoffy wrote:

Just thought I'd place both of the new age-progressed pics here to help double the chances of Madeleine being found either in Brazil or in europe.

Surely that's her Mum on the left? Thirtyish I'd say.

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Re: Inside the twisted minds of the Madeleine McCann child snatchers

Post by Guest on 29.04.12 15:03

We can always rely on a good chuckle with anything that comes from Antonella Lazzeri.

So the wonderfully named Ian Horrocks believes that it is possible for Madeleine to have been taken in the way that Team McCann claims.

Okay, but I'd love to know how he explains their behaviour regarding the fund; not the setting up of it and only days after she vanished.

I mean their lack of transparency and openness as promised to us in Kate's book "whatever it costs". Why are the accounts not on their website, why do they file the minimum information required by law and not give the detail they promised?

These issues and others are commented upon in the article by an Irish journalist in the McCann Files. Clearly Mr Horrocks has not read it. The media has never commented on the fund other than to say that it was set up and that boo hoo, charity status was refused.

If the McCanns were not involved, they would surely publish detailed accounts on their website and provide the figures to the media. They would also persist in looking for charity status; there is no evidence that they have done so.

I would like to see an enterprising film company make a documentary about the fund but it's probably a vain hope that any mainstream TV channel would show it.

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Post by tuom on 29.04.12 16:25

[quote="Smokeandmirrors"]Oh for the love of God. How can any journo/newspaper even consider publishing such tripe?

An abduction is in the order of millions to one, eliminate paedos, and you narrow the field even more, so we are looking at hundreds of millions to one.

Take that 0.0001 % of a chance and then try and cram it into a window of say 5 minutes, and you are reducing it to such an microscopic fraction of a percent.

They reckon there is a real chance of this do they? Boll...s. Based on what, may I ask?

Compare this to the statistical FACT that the very hugest majority of abductions are by a known person in the order of 90% ish.

Hmmm.....which avenue would you pursue in a national newspaper?

Absolutely stupid, unsubstantiated twaddle. And to think sceptics are regarded as cruel and evil trolls, when there is publicly available footage of cadaver and blood dogs marking the exact same places and items belonging to or used by the McCanns.



Good Lord I will have to lie down !!!! so this childless couple take MMC alive , did one of them die suddenly ? this would account for the dogs scent ! and MMC slept peacefully while her "abductor" stranger walked through the streets with her , Oh sorry there was a car waiting ! a walk away from the carpark , hence JT sighting , or maybe the car was parked much further away , hence the Smith sighting , and MMC is living happily ever after with her new "family"

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Post by tigger on 29.04.12 17:02

If that's the case Tuom, it seems heartless to try to find her.

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Post by tuom on 29.04.12 20:13

@tigger wrote:If that's the case Tuom, it seems heartless to try to find her.



Exactly , so shall we all just go home now , case solved

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Another gem from Antonella Lazzeri

Post by Guest on 30.04.12 9:40

We are being rather spolit lately.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/4287061/We-must-not-give-up-hope-of-finding-Maddie.html

The icing on the cake is at the end with more drivel from Lorraine Kelly.

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