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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.04.12 8:18

Maddie Case still without credible leads
Posted: 27 Apr 2012 09:01 PM PDT

Correio da Manhã reveals the latest developments on the Maddie Case by Tânia Learned

A few days before the fifth anniversary since Maddie disappeared in Praia da Luz, Algarve, there are no new leads that could enable the reopening of the investigation. The Judiciary Police from Oporto has spent more than one year re-reading the whole process, but nothing was found that could help clarify the disappearance of the English girl. The "195 leads" announced before yesterday by the British authorities whilst they are reviewing the archived process were not yet officially revealed to the Judiciary Police, as CM found out, because they only are avenues of investigation and not specific facts that may point to the child's whereabouts."This is just folklore [nonsense], in the field of the sightings, of the suspicions of mediums and psychics. The abduction thesis is just an opinion from someone who is free to say whatever he wants. And we should not forget that London's police [MET] has to justify the money spent on this investigation. They must give something to the public opinion", said Gonçalo Amaral, the former Judiciary Police inspector that coordinated the case, reaffirming that the investigation at the time followed all the rules."Maddie was last seen at 17:30 on May 3, 2007. At that time everything that could be done, was done and we were able to demonstrate that it was materially impossible for the child to have been abducted. Unfortunately we were not able to find her whereabouts".Relative to the reanalysis of the process in Portugal, Correio da Manhã knows that the Portuguese review is not being done alongside the English review. Although occasionally there might be a cooperation between the two police forces, the objective is to give autonomy to each, so that they do not become contaminated. In Portugal the reanalysis of the case did not allow to progress more than what was already established during the initial investigation. Nothing indicates that the child is alive.
in Correio da Manhã, 27.04.2012

ETA: Hmmm- not working alongside 'autonomy' 'to stop contamination'

Well if the UK review was to get at those hidden files, they may have a problem Wink

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Post by PeterMac on 28.04.12 8:34

"Maddie was last seen at 17:30 on May 3, 2007.
Interesting that they have published that exact time. He clearly discounted all the subsequent stuff.
we were able to demonstrate that it was materially impossible for the child to have been abducted.
- which is why they wanted a reconstruction by the T9, to let them see clearly that their story and the timeline had been blown, and to force at least one to tell the whole truth.
- which is obviously why the T9 refused to go anywhere near it.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.04.12 9:10

@PeterMac wrote:
"Maddie was last seen at 17:30 on May 3, 2007.
Interesting that they have published that exact time. He clearly discounted all the subsequent stuff.
we were able to demonstrate that it was materially impossible for the child to have been abducted.
- which is why they wanted a reconstruction by the T9, to let them see clearly that their story and the timeline had been blown, and to force at least one to tell the whole truth.
- which is obviously why the T9 refused to go anywhere near it.
Exactly PeterMac.
As they have reapeatedly said in Portugal, 'the answer lies in the process' ~ they were just stopped from nailing it. So sad for a little girl who never asked for any of this.

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Post by Clouseau on 28.04.12 10:23

195 new leads and guess what there are 195 official countries in the world .....oh joy

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Post by monkey mind on 28.04.12 10:31

This just serves to confirm what I posted two days ago, namely there weren't 195 'new leads' at all rather outstanding actions or threads of enquiry which have not yet drawn to a close. It's a subtle difference in terminology but the connotations are entirely diffferent. Thousands of such avenues or threads are developed and closed in any major investigation thus narrowing the web.

To have 195 outstanding actions should be a cause for concern to a SIO and not for the right reasons, to have 195 'new leads' or plausible lines of enquiry which may solve the case is probably unprecedented and quite frankly ludicrous and would indicate an enquiry out of control and entirely without direction.

A subtle choice of words creating a nice sound byte. Nothing more.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.04.12 10:58

@monkey mind wrote:This just serves to confirm what I posted two days ago, namely there weren't 195 'new leads' at all rather outstanding actions or threads of enquiry which have not yet drawn to a close. It's a subtle difference in terminology but the connotations are entirely diffferent. Thousands of such avenues or threads are developed and closed in any major investigation thus narrowing the web.

To have 195 outstanding actions should be a cause for concern to a SIO and not for the right reasons, to have 195 'new leads' or plausible lines of enquiry which may solve the case is probably unprecedented and quite frankly ludicrous and would indicate an enquiry out of control and entirely without direction.

A subtle choice of words creating a nice sound byte. Nothing more.
I think you are right.
Thinking positively, what could these 'unclosed lines' be? Maddie's health records? K+G + T9 bank details, phone records, anything. Anything at all.

As an aside to what others have said, this must be stopped soon! I keep getting visions in my head of children grabbed by the arms, with hysterical muppets shouting 'Its Maddie, its Maddie!'
On facebook, my nieces 'bestie' is uncannily, eerily, spookily like the new 'photo' - I think her parents wanna watch over their shoulders Wink

It really has gone beyond the ridiculous now. 'If there is a chance she is alive' - hmm, what, 0.00000000001% if that? Personally, I believe it is zero and has been for five years, and frankly Redwoods 'reasoning' for 'believing she is alive' (which sounded eerily like a David Payne rogatory) doesn't change my opinion at all.
If she was abducted, she is dead. (She was not of a Jaycee-Lee Dugard/Natascha Kampusch/Elizabeth Smart age bracket - no predator would keep a tantrumming three year old that long)
If she was not abducted, she is dead.
Dr Roberts explains it perfectly in 'There's Nothing to Say She's Not Out There' - worth a read @ mccannfiles.com

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Post by jd on 28.04.12 11:04

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
As an aside to what others have said, this must be stopped soon! I keep getting visions in my head of children grabbed by the arms, with hysterical muppets shouting 'Its Maddie, its Maddie!'
On facebook, my nieces 'bestie' is uncannily, eerily, spookily like the new 'photo' - I think her parents wanna watch over their shoulders Wink

This is the latest comment from the Sun online

el_gringo1976

......Regrettably the Portuguese police simply don't have the time and resources to reopen this case. There will always be "new leads" every time Maddie's picture is published. What baffles me is how many of these people that claim sightings never actually confront the child involved to get a closer look.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4281432/Portuguese-police-say-no-to-new-Maddie-probe.html

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Post by tigger on 28.04.12 11:11

With the publication of this photograph an awful lot of grief will be visited on families by eager treasure hunters.
Because the award is presumably still in force? Two or three million?

So we may conclude that SY have now opened the floodgates for thousands of treasure hunters.

And as Philomena said - it only needs a greedy unscrupulous person to come forward.....

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Post by jd on 28.04.12 11:21

@tigger wrote:With the publication of this photograph an awful lot of grief will be visited on families by eager treasure hunters.
Because the award is presumably still in force? Two or three million?

So we may conclude that SY have now opened the floodgates for thousands of treasure hunters.

And as Philomena said - it only needs a greedy unscrupulous person to come forward.....

What the mccanns and their cronies are doing is saying its ok to entice members of the public to confront young girls in a street in the name of 'she looks like Maddie'... but its not ok to give a leaflet with information of the facts.....Did someone say the UK had justice!!!!!

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.04.12 11:43

@jd wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:
As an aside to what others have said, this must be stopped soon! I keep getting visions in my head of children grabbed by the arms, with hysterical muppets shouting 'Its Maddie, its Maddie!'
On facebook, my nieces 'bestie' is uncannily, eerily, spookily like the new 'photo' - I think her parents wanna watch over their shoulders Wink

This is the latest comment from the Sun online

el_gringo1976

......Regrettably the Portuguese police simply don't have the time and resources to reopen this case. There will always be "new leads" every time Maddie's picture is published. What baffles me is how many of these people that claim sightings never actually confront the child involved to get a closer look.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4281432/Portuguese-police-say-no-to-new-Maddie-probe.html
'Confront the child'!?! Dear God - thankfully I have boys but if ANYONE 'confronted' my child by grabbing them I'm afraid I'd probably end up arrested for smacking them in the mouth!
This 'story' has already scared children, now we're gonna have countless blonde girls grabbed and confronted just so the corrupt bastards can carry on the charade? Sick.

As for this "el_gringo1976

......Regrettably the Portuguese police simply don't have the time and resources to reopen this case"
Maybe el gringo should do homework, PT would LOVE to re-open the case, but seeing as they aren't and never have got co-operation from UK authorities, their hands are tied. WHY would they re-open a case on bogus grounds when they have solved it all bar the minor details?
The worst thing though is PT would re-open NOW if the 'concerned, heartbroken parents' and 'friends' hopped on a plane, did the reconstruction so they could be ruled out, because they are all innocent aren't they? Easy peasy.
If they are innocent, they have nothing to fear. GA can't 'frame' them (not that he ever tried to) as he's not there anymore.
Sooo, McCanns, put your publicly donated money where your big fat mouths are, get to Portugal and get the case you SAY you want re-opened, RE-OPENED!!!

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Post by jd on 28.04.12 11:57

They don't even have to use their efforts to get a plane (we know they don't like searching themselves)...They can just send a letter or even an email asking for the case to be reopened. Simple as this

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Post by russiandoll on 28.04.12 13:22

I wish that the authority who takes the reopening decision would hold a brief press conference or at leat make a statement of what is required.
Redwood has stated that SY and PJ both want a reopening.
Mitchell said the family wanted the case reopened.
So those in charge in Portugal need to say what needs to be done to start this, and then the couple would need to say why they would refuse. And it would be clear who was stalling the process.
Their initial reason Gerry gave for refusal does not exist.

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Post by Guest on 28.04.12 13:25

Just wondering why we have had no interviews with K & G asking on TV for the case to be re-opened. Nothing. They are going to be on breakfast sofas next week, Lorraine Kelly's for one, Wed I think, so will they ask then? But why wait another week.

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Post by tiny on 28.04.12 13:52

candyfloss wrote:Just wondering why we have had no interviews with K & G asking on TV for the case to be re-opened. Nothing. They are going to be on breakfast sofas next week, Lorraine Kelly's for one, Wed I think, so will they ask then? But why wait another week.



you dont expect lorraine kelly to ask them any questions like that,pound to a penny lorraine has the questions she is allowed to ask them already.I dont think any one has the guts to pose questions that might show the mccanns for what they realy are.

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Post by friedtomatoes on 28.04.12 14:02

I thought the Mccanns were on record saying it doesn't matter if the case is reopened or not. I think it was in that press conference they gave in Lisbon after the book banning trial. I will see if I can find the video. Did they mean the review was paramount as, if it could generate new leads these could then be used to reopen the case?

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Post by tigger on 28.04.12 15:14


I think you've got the wrong link there, get four unrelated videos, including a shoot-out? yes smilie

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Post by friedtomatoes on 28.04.12 15:22

@tigger wrote:

I think you've got the wrong link there, get four unrelated videos, including a shoot-out? yes smilie

Sorry about that. If you go to youtube and do a search on the following, you will find it, it's around 8 minutes long

Mccanns outside Lisbon Court, 10th Feb

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Post by Blimunda on 28.04.12 19:47

Relative to the reanalysis of the process in Portugal, Correio da Manhã knows that the Portuguese review is not being done alongside the English review. Although occasionally there might be a cooperation between the two police forces, the objective is to give autonomy to each, so that they do not become contaminated. In Portugal the reanalysis of the case did not allow to progress more than what was already established during the initial investigation. Nothing indicates that the child is alive.

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Gosh! How inconvenient ! Won't the Portuguese play ball?! ...
The Port. Prime Min. visited Downing Street this month... I wonder if this case would have been on the agenda... winkwink
Sorry, I only was able to find this video...
http://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt/economia/passos-coelho-david-cameron-europa-emprego-crescimento/1341973-1730.html

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Post by Guest on 28.04.12 19:52

[quote="Blimunda"]Relative to the reanalysis of the process in Portugal, Correio da Manhã knows that the Portuguese review is not being done alongside the English review. Although occasionally there might be a cooperation between the two police forces, the objective is to give autonomy to each, so that they do not become contaminated. In Portugal the reanalysis of the case did not allow to progress more than what was already established during the initial investigation. Nothing indicates that the child is alive.



Gosh! How inconvenient ! Won't the Portuguese play ball?! ...
The Port. Prime Min. visited Downing Street this month... I wonder if this case would have been on the agenda... winkwink
Sorry, I only was able to find this video...
http://www.agenciafinanceira.iol.pt/economia/passos-coelho-david-cameron-europa-emprego-crescimento/1341973-1730.html

Did he really, now then, what a coincidence winkwink

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Post by Clouseau on 28.04.12 22:48

Sunday Express front page.......Lawyer lifts the lid on missed leads...oh joy that should keep us busy

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