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Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''

.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... Martin Brunt: "Scotland Yard believes it has unearthed enough clues to justify the Portuguese authorities re-opening their investigation, which was abandoned 15 months after Madeleine vanished."....Kate McCann: "What we need is for the Portuguese police to reopen the case. That is crucial."...Gonçalo Amaral: "For the McCanns to ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the prosecutor...it costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."....The McCann couple or their Tapas friends could force the reopening of the process if they would do the reconstruction....In 2007 British Ambassador Alexander W. Ellis admitted that the British Police had developed evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann.....Assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire police: “While one or both of the McCanns may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”....Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent: "The crucial part of the evidence appears to be a complete match of Madeleine's DNA in the boot of the hire car"...Inspector Ricardo Paiva: "It was Scotland Yard who first thought it could be a murder case."......British criminal profiler NPIA, Lee Rainbow: "Madeleine's father was the last one to see her alive. The family is a lead that should be followed. Contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide."...Francisco Moita Flores: "Scotland Yard has made another two million pounds available to search for Maddie McCann"....Gonçalo Amaral: "Elements from the Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative PJ team from Oporto, and what is known is that the “affair” is not going well for the McCanns.".....Scotland Yard dismisses work done by the private agency “Método” 3 hired by the McCann couple....Martin Grime: "Not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparations, in spite of indications to the contrary.".....Kate McCann: "I think I could probably forgive the abductor."

.....................................................................................................................................Martin Brunt: "There are 30 Met officers - the equivalent of a murder squad - working on the review and I'm told that a senior officer is having to give regular spending updates to the Home Office which is funding an operation that will cost several million and last many months."....Gonçalo Amaral: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere 'show off'.....Manuel Catriano: "This story did not begin in the Ocean Club, but in London where the 'official truth' was conspired and established: an English girl was kidnapped in the Algarve."....Gonçalo Amaral: "Dr Katherina Gaspar witnesses a scene with David Payne and Gerry McCann which flabbergasts her and makes her fear for the safety of her daughter and the other children"....Gonçalo Amaral: " I have understood their game. The McCanns knew that I was going to catch them. So the game is always the same. We want to catch them, they want to escape, and that's it. Sometimes the bandits win, sometimes the policemen do."....Gonçalo Amaral: "Under the old Penal Process, how do I ask Kate: "Are you lying when you say you didn't touch the window? As a matter of fact, it was you who opened the window. We have material evidence of that. A question like this forces the constitution of arguido...".....Tony Bennett: "The Madeleine Foundation has now sent a 32-page letter and a bundle of supporting evidence to the Scotland Yard 'Maddie Case' Review Team".............Gonçalo Amaral: "The little girl died in the apartment. Everything is in the book, which is faithful to the investigation until September: it reflects the understanding of the Portuguese and the English police and of the Public Ministry. For all of us until then the concealment of the cadaver, the simulation of abduction and the exposure or abandonment were proved."...Gonçalo Amaral: "For the McCanns to ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the prosecutor...it costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."...Gonçalo Amaral: "The investigation will be concluded, it will be reopened and it will be taken to an end; and justice will be made, that is all that we want."...Gonçalo Amaral: "There are hundreds of indications, clues regarding a certain event; and it is that event that some people do not accept and want to conceal."...Kate Healy was not immediately made an arguida, but merely interviewed voluntarily as a witness. Only after her interview was she made an arguida, that is, after she was confronted with concrete facts that might lead to her incrimination."...Gonçalo Amaral: "If the McCanns admit that their daughter is dead, they can no longer collect money from the Maddie fund, and that's a lot of money, over one million pounds. That's why they say that the girl was abducted."...Kate McCann: "This pair (Carter Ruck lawyers) continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly behind the scenes."...Gonçalo Amaral: "Nowadays I have no doubts left, the archival for various reasons, was mainly due to political pressures made by the English - I have no doubts about that."...Gonçalo Amaral: "I remind you that they demanded the archiving of the process, in 2008, when they were arguidos, merely to defend their image. They are not interested in the reopening of the process or of the investigation"...Gonçalo Amaral: "It's too big and too serious a burden to be concealed by so many people for their entire lives."...Gonçalo Amaral: "Let's remember it is totally logical to find Madeleine's DNA in the home, but absolutely not in a car rented more than twenty days after her disappearance."...Tony Bennett: "The question is: exactly what is it about Madeleine's disappearance that caused such a massive level of government activity, including MI5 and secret service type groups like Control Risks Group, to become involved, and so quickly and in such large numbers? Was it to help find a missing child? Or to locate an abductor?...Martin Grime: "My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant."...Gonçalo Amaral: "If the body had been buried there would have been mummification. The fact that there were fluids points to refrigeration."...Dr Vernon Coleman: "Would you hire the McCanns as babysitters?"...Gonçalo Amaral: "there were gestures and words indicating the existence of a child molester within that group of people"...Jose Barra da Costa, PJ: "There are people who guarantee that this is a couple who practice 'swinging' - i.e. sexual relationships between couples and then changing partners, and that this practice would allow in this type of..."...Justine McGuiness: "We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to..."...C443 J.N. HUGHES: Background Information- Gerald McCANN - A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system....Dr Katherina Gaspar: "I remember Dave telling Gerry something like “she”, referring to Madeleine, “would do this”.. While he mentioned the word 'this', David was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple. I remember being shocked by that."...Sofia Leal: “My husband and I have never abandoned our daughters, or allowed paedophiles in our circle of friends. I am shocked that a couple who affirm to be religious is seeking out to destroy our family”...Gerry McCann: "There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death"...

................................................................................................................................................................................................ Gerry McCann: "It is something we raised at Leveson that Madeleine and her safety is often treated with complete contempt"....Carlos Anjos, president of ASFIC/PJ: “What the McCanns did was...they've put on their internet page “We asked the authorities”, but they didn't, because to ask means to send a request to the Prosecutor's Office or to the Judiaciary Police, and that didn't happen. I think what we have here it's some sort of deception.”....................................................   

***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

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Post  candyfloss on Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:05 am

Starting this thread for discussion on the Panorama programme this evening, so that those who cannot watch can keep up to date. To keep it purely for comments about the show am locking thread until just before the programme starts. In the meantime discussion can continue on the other Panorama thread.


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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  candyfloss on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:26 pm

Unlocked, please carry on here about the programme...........

Will lock other one for now to keep discussion in one place.

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Post  alfie02 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:30 pm

candyfloss wrote:Unlocked, please carry on here about the programme...........

Will lock other one for now to keep discussion in one place.




I cant watch it until 22.45pm why is that we are in scotland x

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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  friedtomatoes on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:31 pm

Sandra Felgueiras saying its strange the uk pm asking for an investigation into a case with no new evidence.

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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  Stewie on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:40 pm

alfie02 wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Unlocked, please carry on here about the programme...........

Will lock other one for now to keep discussion in one place.




I cant watch it until 22.45pm why is that we are in scotland x


You should be able to watch it on the bbc iplayer? I can't bear to watch it so am watching this thread instead....


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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  friedtomatoes on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:41 pm

A Redwood, seeking closure, which means finding out what happened to Madeleine!
Gerry saying police have taken pressure off them. Alan Johnson sympathetic and they are not guilty but victims. PJ disgraceful. Didnt do a proper investigation. Review team sifting the files. A Redwood sifting info from three sources, pj, lp, pis and bring together all those pieces of the jigsaw. Met team identified 195 fresh leads in their review. How much can be achieved though taking into account mistakes in the investigation. All couples left kids unattended but checked regularlt. Kate checked at 10 and found Madeleine gone. One of her friends said she saw a man with a child. Bilton, still full of questions. Case full of mistakes, maddie thought to have wandered off so scene wasnt sealed off. AG and Amaral admit things were got wrong. Five years on easy to reassess investigation with the opening of fikes and some prepared to talk. Murat is focus. Worked as translator, spotlight turned on him 11 days in. Murat believes he was easy scapegoat as PJ under pressure. They didnt care for the truth. I am giving up now, its easy to see where this is going. Slam the PJ. Dos brought in inconclusive evidence, they were made suspects after this. Tavares report quoted. Mccanns involved and five years on many in the police believe this. Someone take over.


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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  tuom on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:43 pm

Robert Murat talking now ........

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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  Newintown on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:45 pm

It's shocking that Alan Johnson can say that the McCanns did not get a proper police investigation. He failed to mention the cooperation between the PJ and the British Police from the beginning, the Police also giving up their holidays to work on the investigation, and one British officer (can't remember his name) saying that Gerry McCann should be looked at more closely, or words to that effect. Johnson also failed to mention the 48 questions K McCann refused to answer.

Why is it always so one side in favour of the McCanns, why doesn't anybody ever query these inaccuracies on these programmes?

Robert Murat now saying he felt that Amaral didn't seem interested in getting to the truth, grrrrrrrrrrrr!

I feel like throwing something at the TV but can't afford to buy a new one!

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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  tuom on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:50 pm

Newintown wrote:It's shocking that Alan Johnson can say that the McCanns did not get a proper police investigation. He failed to mention the cooperation between the PJ and the British Police from the beginning, the Police also giving up their holidays to work on the investigation, and one British officer (can't remember his name) saying that Gerry McCann should be looked at more closely, or words to that effect. Johnson also failed to mention the 48 questions K McCann refused to answer.

Why is it always so one side in favour of the McCanns, why doesn't anybody ever query these inaccuracies on these programmes?

Robert Murat now saying he felt that Amaral didn't seem interested in getting to the truth, grrrrrrrrrrrr!

I feel like throwing something at the TV but can't afford to buy a new one!




Now its the bewk

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Re: ***LIVE*** Discussion and comments thread BBC Panorama tonight 25th April 7.30pm

Post  Newintown on Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:51 pm

Alan Johnson now saying that it's about time the McCanns got co-operation from the Portugese Police and for them to get to the bottom of the investigation.

WHAT?? WHAT ABOUT THE MCCANNS CO-OPERATING WITH THE INVESTIGATION MR JOHNSON???

Mr Johnson why didn't you mention that the McCanns didn't ask for the RE-OPENING OF THE CASE YEARS AGO, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE COST THEM THE PRICE OF A STAMP, ACCORDING TO MR AMARAL. You stupid, thick MP.


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