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Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by tuom on 25.04.12 15:09

@Fred Up wrote:
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candyfloss wrote:
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@russiandoll wrote:You beat me to it Candyfloss.
now it changes from there might be something in the jigsaw....
to there IS evidence....



Would it be possible to set up a thread here , a sort of live commentry for those of you who will see the programme tomorrow night to benefit those who will not see it until next week ? Patience was never my strong point !!!!

Yes, will definitely do that tuom

Just for information for Irish members BBC1 NI is showing the programme tonight


I will have a front row seat with bells on. The little ones, well, it's milk, biscuits, story and to the bedroom with them with a little something to aid sleep (I jest) so that I can watch this in relative peace. I'll reserve my comments 'till SY have concluded their findings. After all, the fat lady hasn't even come on stage yet to sing and as my dear wee Granny used to say, "There's many a slip 'twixt cup and lip...".



Mine grown and flown..... but himself can high tail it upstairs for the soccer .............. and I think the fat lady is very very very far from the stage...

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by nomendelta on 25.04.12 15:10

@aiyoyo wrote:
Panorama tonight to claim that News International pressured David Cameron into new Maddy McCann inquiry, quoting No10 insiders

Is the shit about to hit the fan?

News International titles have always been supportive of mccanns so what would be their purpose of pressuring DC into an inquiry?
What did they hope to achieve by that since the review is beyond their control?
How is an independent review conducted by Police who pledge allegiance to the Crown going to suit the News International agenda?

Either there is something very sinister going on involving media, politicians, and Police, or News International was doing the dirty on the mccanns?

No I think perhaps worried by the growing internet criticism of the McCanns, NI perhaps pushed for the review as the final whitewash.

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by Guest on 25.04.12 15:11


He doesn't look very happy does he. Expecting him to be buoyant but he seems the opposite.

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Post by HiDeHo on 25.04.12 15:13

I am going to attempt to record the program and upload shortly after.

Fingers crossed!

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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 15:14

@HiDeHo wrote:I am going to attempt to record the program and upload shortly after.

Fingers crossed!

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Norwegian news today / Madeleine can be alive says British police

Post by Guest on 25.04.12 15:22

News today, they want the case reopened, new picture of how she may look ,believe she can still be alive.



[url=http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073491 ]http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10073491 [/url]

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by tigger on 25.04.12 15:32

Daily Mail today online:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134756/Madeleine-McCann-dead-Picture-look-like-aged-9.html

Headline reads 'she's alive' and SY have 195 leads to follow up. angrypcuser

I'm done! It's a whitewash, more money for SY and nobody will mention the dogs.




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Madeleine McCann Disappearance: Could Be Found Alive, 195 New Leads In Missing Girl Case

Post by sharonl on 25.04.12 15:39

Madeleine McCann Disappearance: Could Be Found Alive, 195 New Leads In Missing Girl Case

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April 25, 2012 10:07 AM EDT



British police are still hoping to find Madeleine McCann alive after reviewing 40, 000 pieces of evidence that turned up 195 new "investigative leads" in the missing girl case.

McCann, a then three-year-old child, went missing while on a family vacation in Portugal on May 3, 2007, just nine days shy of her fourth birthday.

British police are still hoping to find Madeline McCann alive after reviewing 40, 000 pieces of evidence that turned up 195 new “investigative leads” in the missing girl’s case.


She disappeared from her family's apartment in Praia da Luz while her parents were dining at a nearby tapas restaurant with their friends.

Her disappearance led to a worldwide search, with some citing the toddler in Belgium, Spain, Morocco, France, Malta, and Australia.

Her parents, Kate and Gerry, were named official suspects by Portuguese police four months after McCann's disappearance, reported Reuters. British media pointed to the parents as suspected killers, but Portuguese police dropped the case in July 2008 citing lack of evidence.




The McCann family has tried to keep the search for their daughter alive by launching the Madeleine Foundation, hiring private investigators to look into the case, writing a book, and appearing on the 'Oprah Winfrey Show.'

In 2011, McCann's parents wrote to British Prime Minister David Cameron asking him to look into the case.

Cameron ordered a new probe by British police.

Around 37 investigators poured through 100,000 pages of evidence from British and Portuguese officers on the little girl's disappearance, leading them to identify 195 "investigative opportunities." They are also developing "what they believe to be genuinely new material" said Metropolitan Police to the BBC.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood told reporters that new information has come to light that could help break the case wide open, though he would not go into specifics.

"We are working on the basis of two possibilities here. One is that Madeleine is still alive; and the second that she is sadly dead. Based on the former, we are releasing the age-progression image today [Wednesday] with a specific appeal. If you know where Madeleine McCann is now or you have new direct information/evidence about what has happened to her then please contact us," he said, according to the New York Post.

Redwood said he has gone to Portugal seven times after McCann's disappearance, visiting the family's apartment and meeting with the review team.

Redwood told the Associated Press that evidence revealed that there were moments when McCann may have been abducted, but he is keeping an "open mind" on who that could possibly be, though he believes her disappearance was the result of "a criminal act by a stranger."

"Most significantly, the message we want to bring to you is that, on the evidence, there is a possibility that she is alive and we desperately need your help today to appeal directly to the public for information to support our investigation," said Commander Simon Foy.

Police have released a photo of how McCann would look now, at age 9.

In April, Spanish police said they were investigating a sighting of a girl with a "strong physical resemblance" to McCain in Nerja, Spain, reported the New York Post.

"We genuinely believe there is a possibility that she is alive," said Redwood to Reuters. "We would like the case to be reopened."

"What we are not doing is just passively passing through material. We are actively seeking to bring closure in this case," he said, according to the Independent.

British police said the investigation has cost £ 2 million ($3.2 million) so far.

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by Guest on 25.04.12 15:44

Sharonl I have merged your topic in this one as all the articles are here to keep discussion in one place rather than have many threads from different newspapers opened and discussion spread around.

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by AskTheDogsSandra on 25.04.12 15:49

@tigger wrote:Daily Mail today online:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2134756/Madeleine-McCann-dead-Picture-look-like-aged-9.html

Headline reads 'she's alive' and SY have 195 leads to follow up.

I'm done! It's a whitewash, more money for SY and nobody will mention the dogs.



What i don't understand is that Goncalo is supposed to working closely with SY isn't he? surely he won't allow a whitewsh unless he's in on it? And if so, then what on earth has all this been about?

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Re: Madeleine: The Last Hope? - Panorama UPDATED 7.30 25th April (only certain areas) and 8.30 pm Mon 30th April 2012

Post by Newintown on 25.04.12 15:57

What I don't understand is, if the case is reopened with the co-operation of the PJ, the PJ seemed to be adamant that Madeleine died in the apartment, but SY believe that she was "abducted", so how are they going to sort that out???

Surely if the PJ are the senior investigators as the crime was committed in their country, they're not just going to ignore their findings and look for an abductor. Or is everything being hushed up on the pretext there may have been an abductor whilst looking at other evidence also.

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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 16:02

@Newintown wrote:What I don't understand is, if the case is reopened with the co-operation of the PJ, the PJ seemed to be adamant that Madeleine died in the apartment, but SY believe that she was "abducted", so how are they going to sort that out???

Surely if the PJ are the senior investigators as the crime was committed in their country, they're not just going to ignore their findings and look for an abductor. Or is everything being hushed up on the pretext there may have been an abductor whilst looking at other evidence also.

Well, they should start with an explanation of how this stranger got into the apartment. Not in and out of the window that is highly unlikely, no footprints on the bed under the window, no tampering with the blinds.

Whilst they have already given away the time gap that makes them think Madeleine may be still alive, perhaps they should also tell us when this gap was.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 25.04.12 16:04

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Relax. I told DCI Redwood of #ScotlandYard yest of the involvement of #McCann s, #RobertNaylor, Murat, Pagarete and Rider. He can't foul up

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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 16:09

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Madeleine McCann might "still be alive". As might Lord Lucan. Except LUCANS a safer bet, given there's NO evidence to the contrary.

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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 16:10


J B Littlemore‏@JBLittlemoreReply
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@MrsMLouis Let me help you ... no-one can make informed appraisal of anything on only 25% of available info. Mud gone now? #Mccann





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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 16:12

Wednesday, 25 April 2012


That Doggone Maddie McCann Review...


Detectives from the Metropolitan Police Force have today released a statement via the officer in charge, DCI Andy Redwood about the current progress of the investigative review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.


The team, consisting of 30 odd officers have approached the investigation with an open mind and are working on two possibilities - one that Madeleine is alive and secondly that she is sadly dead. Work of the team involves close collaboration with a senior investigating officer from the Policia Judiciara and the object is to bring closure to the case, starting with the reopening of the investigation in Portugal.


In accordance with the former line of enquiry, the Met have released an age progressed picture of what Madeleine might look like if she was nine years old...




Please remember there are lots of little girls worldwide who look very similar to this idea of a girl and it would be a very bad idea to accost or grab any child in public. Many lives have been disrupted by wrongful accusations in the past 5 years. Children and parents have been extremely traumatised and in one Moroccan episode, a father pitifully thrust his daughter's birth certificate into the faces of parasitic news crews. Another child grappled with was a boy. So... please contact the local police in the first instance and watch from afar if you are crazy enough to think that the child in front of you may be a nine year old Madeleline. Especially if she's really only five, six or seven years old.


Maybe one day some crackpot will get it right and it will be Madeleline. However after reading and watching the cadaver dogs involved in the McCann case, I have very serious doubts that this will ever happen. Amongst the many niggles that I still have, I wonder why the team running Operation Grange seem to have overlooked the fact that a British cadaver dog alerted to the scent of death in apartment 5a, in the hire car, on Kate McCann's clothing, on Sean's t-shirt and Madeleine's apparent favourite cuddly toy, Cuddlecat. All subject to strict test conditions where several cars and items were analysed. The dogs alerted only to McCann related items, nothing else.


Are the Met dismissing their own £500 a day cadaver dogs? If so, what about all the other cases where these dogs have alerted to the scent of death. Such as the Suzanne Pilley and Kate Prout murder cases. Both perpetrators of these heinous murders were convicted without a body being discovered and are thankfully behind bars.


DCI Redwood says the team are only one quarter of the way through the extensive pile of information pooled by them. Perhaps they just haven't reached the dog chapter yet...


And if they can perhaps explain away the scent of death then I may come around. In the meantime... here's hoping Scotland Yard can encourage something the parents have never shown an interest in... the reopening of the case in Portugal.




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http://thepottingshedder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/that-doggone-review-where-is-madeleine.html

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Post by russiandoll on 25.04.12 16:17

satisifed this is a criminal act. taken from her apartment by a stranger.well maybe a stranger to Madeleine but not necessarily a stranger to some or any of the group of adults in their party.

what did Gerry say about confusion being a good thing? Maybe AR is taking a leaf from his book....conflicting statements that make no sense.
There is no way he can conclude anything after 25% of the review done. And if there is evidence she is alive well thats a huige jump from abducted...they must know something. But they are only part way through their investigations. Bizarre.
He should not though be speaking of anything imo while it is in progress apart from basic info about procedure.

Why has the photo been released now? This is hugely important re- recognition and why scheduled for the anniversary? An updated photo could have been produced as soon SY got involved, as could this appeal.

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Post by russiandoll on 25.04.12 16:20

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:dewi lennard ‏ @kikoratton Reply Retweet Favorite · Open

Relax. I told DCI Redwood of #ScotlandYard yest of the involvement of #McCann s, #RobertNaylor, Murat, Pagarete and Rider. He can't foul up

I thought this info was passed over a while ago. Any reply I wonder and regardless will they take any notice?

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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 16:25

@russiandoll wrote: satisifed this is a criminal act. taken from her apartment by a stranger.well maybe a stranger to Madeleine but not necessarily a stranger to some or any of the group of adults in their party.

what did Gerry say about confusion being a good thing? Maybe AR is taking a leaf from his book....conflicting statements that make no sense.
There is no way he can conclude anything after 25% of the review done. And if there is evidence she is alive well thats a huige jump from abducted...they must know something. But they are only part way through their investigations. Bizarre.
He should not though be speaking of anything imo while it is in progress apart from basic info about procedure.

Why has the photo been released now? This is hugely important re- recognition and why scheduled for the anniversary? An updated photo could have been produced as soon SY got involved, as could this appeal.



Yes. I asked this question earlier, and why asking for witnesses now. Why not at be beginning. Why just before the book release and Tony's trial.



Wonder what the PJ make of all this, and Mr Amaral. What about Mark Harrison and Lee Rainbow. And the ambassador. Plus this statement from Leics police from KM's book......



Assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire police gave this written statement: (in Kate’s words...page 316 of her book): “While one or both of them may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

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Post by tuom on 25.04.12 16:33

[quote="candyfloss"]Wednesday, 25 April 2012




DCI Redwood says the team are only one quarter of the way through the extensive pile of information pooled by them. Perhaps they just haven't reached the dog chapter yet...


Perhaps the Panorama programme should be Part 1 of 4 ?

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Post by Juulcy on 25.04.12 16:37

@Ribisl wrote:Why am I getting this sinking feeling...?



You are not the only one. I am really baffled by all this, and I feel a huge disappointment coming on..

But remember, it really is not over till it's over: and that means: real closure:

- a confession of who-ever took Madeleine and hid her (living or not) or at least:

- remains of poor Madeleine found

anything else is not closure. It is only stating the obvious: that we don't know what happened and that she would look different now at age 9, and she is either dead or alive, and that her parents are involved, or not. We new that in may 2007. Until there is a full reconstruction and re-interviewing of the parents and their friends, and a re-evaluation of the most promising evidence (the dog's findings and DNA samples) nothing is closed.

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Post by Guest on 25.04.12 16:39

UPDATED INTERVIEW

ITV have re-done the interview with Clarence, now longer, he must have been reading the comments about him being so miserable. big grin

Note the comment "Prove it"

[flash][/flash]

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2012-04-25/mccanns-spokesman-on-new-police-investigation/

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Post by Lady-Heather on 25.04.12 16:40

@Juulcy wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:Why am I getting this sinking feeling...?



You are not the only one. I am really baffled by all this, and I feel a huge disappointment coming on..

But remember, it really is not over till it's over: and that means: real closure:

- a confession of who-ever took Madeleine and hid her (living or not) or at least:

- remains of poor Madeleine found

anything else is not closure. It is only stating the obvious: that we don't know what happened and that she would look different now at age 9, and she is either dead or alive, and that her parents are involved, or not. We new that in may 2007. Until there is a full reconstruction and re-interviewing of the parents and their friends, and a re-evaluation of the most promising evidence (the dog's findings and DNA samples) nothing is closed.

Purely my personal take on this. Firstly, my old dad used to tell me "don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, or see on the tv". I now know that he's 100% correct, having spent 20+ years studying topics including the media. Infact, in my opinion, even the BBC can't be trusted to provide accurate, unbiased reporting - their primary reason for existence is entertainment, and the Madeleine Mccann story rates high in public interest terms. Just look at the volume of comments the show attracted prior to the comments section being switched off.

We know from experience on here that people's quotes and statements can be misrepresented and taken out of context to fit with the direction that the show (and that's all Panorama is, a television show) wants to affect public opinion, or reflect the overall beliefs and values of their audience. Even if it appears that the show hints towards a SY 'whitewash', remember it's just a show, made to attract viewers and does not necessarily represent the facts or predict the eventual outcome of the case.

Actually, I don't think I'll bother watching it. I'll only get upset and throw shoes at the tv, which alarms the children.

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 25.04.12 16:46

candyfloss wrote:ITV have re-done the interview with Clarence, now longer, he must have been reading the comments about him being so miserable. big grin

Note the comment "Prove it"

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http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2012-04-25/mccanns-spokesman-on-new-police-investigation/

Why is Clarrie looking down at the floor when he's talking?

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Post by Get'emGonçalo on 25.04.12 16:49

@Lady-Heather wrote:Purely my personal take on this. Firstly, my old dad used to tell me "don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, or see on the tv". I now know that he's 100% correct, having spent 20+ years studying topics including the media. Infact, in my opinion, even the BBC can't be trusted to provide accurate, unbiased reporting - their primary reason for existence is entertainment, and the Madeleine Mccann story rates high in public interest terms. Just look at the volume of comments the show attracted prior to the comments section being switched off.

But you would think a police officer would tell the truth especially on national tv. sad

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