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Post by Cath on 18.02.10 22:12

Ohhhh I didn't know there's been that many myths. wow

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Post by vaguely1 on 18.02.10 22:13

88. All the press regarding the McCanns is positive.

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Post by bunny on 18.02.10 22:14

Autumn...the poster is INYX not LYNX.

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Post by whoknowsthetruth on 18.02.10 22:16

@Autumn wrote:So why arn't her parents looking for her?

Wasn't that the Polices job? There are enough pictures of them stood about doing nothing, one where they are talking to locals and such laughing.

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Post by jmbd on 18.02.10 22:17

broken record.

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Post by whoknowsthetruth on 18.02.10 22:34

The truth though

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Post by vaguely1 on 18.02.10 22:36

which?

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Post by aiyoyo on 21.02.10 10:17

Bizarre choice of words!

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Post by aliberte2 on 21.02.10 22:41

But She did Use Her Name, Which you Railed About Recently, Doesn't She Get Points for That?

never mind

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Post by SashaM on 22.02.10 9:23

Regardless of what we’re led to believe by the British press, according to the Legal Summary in Portuguese Police Files (from Prior and Lowe) the PJ did an outstanding job of their investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. The Summary below shows they did everything in their power to look for a live child in the beginning.

From the PJ Files: Legal Summary Prior and Lowe

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Therefore, this inquiry, which demonstrates the pertinent commitment of the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) in the resolution of the disappearance of minor Madeleine McCann, demanded from it the performance or coordination of several diligences as described in the various files, namely: the preservation of the location of the fact (although it had already been rummaged by numerous people as we will discuss ahead); several collections and examinations on the existence of eventual traces; a circumstantiated photographic report; the installation, in the first 24 hours, of an extensive operational scheme, including the participation of several police and civil protection forces, in a total of over 130 elements; the reinforcement, in the next 24 hours, of said operational scheme, with the mobilisation of over 300 members of police forces and public entities; the installation of control posts on roads and on the Southern terrestrial border with Spain; the use of sniffer dog teams; the use of exceptional search and rescue teams (aerial, terrestrial and maritime), alerts and diffusion all over the country and abroad. As a mere example, during the following weeks and on a permanent basis, two helicopters, four vessels and several all-road vehicles, apart from private airplanes and boats, were employed; in the same manner, the investigation operations were coordinated with the specific search operations, with hundreds of diligences performed, like the identification and the formal and informal hearing of citizens, door-to-door searches, in the impressive number of 443, at the residences and tourist resorts of Vila da Luz and its surroundings, the identification and search of vehicles, and searches on the terrain, in an area that started out covering 15 Km2, and progressively grew to 30Km2 (where special attention was paid to locations like wells, passages, tunnels, reservoirs and lakes).

During the following days, more than 700 persons who might possess some relevant information about the disappearance were formally and informally questioned, with the PJ using more than 100 officers from several departments of Portimao, Faro and Lisbon, who worked on a consecutive base of 24 hours per day to accomplish the task.

All the locations where there could be images that might be related to the case (like, for example, restaurants and petrol stations) were equally consulted, and the telephone lines of the permanent services of the Portimao and Faro departments were made available. A mobile police post was installed in Vila da Luz to collect information.

Apart from the already mentioned identifications and door-to-door house searches, the listing, contact and interview with known local suspects with previous connections to sexual criminality against minors, was performed.

The PJ was especially careful to promote regular meetings with the missing child’s parents and also designated a Liaison Officer for the family, for permanent support and relationship, with the active following and cooperation of the Royal British Consulate in Portimao.

Shortly after the beginning of the investigation, continuous relationships with the Leicestershire Constabulary, which, for the effect, sent several of its officers to Portugal, with the PJ equally sending officers to the United Kingdom, were established, and intense cooperation and understanding was registered between these entities, which were united in the common purpose of searching for the missing child, and for the truth.

In the inquiry, it is clear that the PJ never dismissed any information or credible elements that might lead to the revelation of facts, with over 2000 formal and informal diligences carried out over the months, and the PJ having explored, nationally and internationally, all of the information with a higher or lower degree of credibility, with special relevance for tens of supposed sightings or trackings of the child, most of which were widely reported by the press.

As an example, cases of international cooperation can be mentioned, namely with Spain, the Netherlands and the United Kingdom, which led to the detention or identification of persons that tried to introduce misleading information about the hypothetical destiny or tracking of the child.

In summary, it is notorious that the PJ spared no efforts in the sense of making exceptional technical, human and financial means available to find the child and to discover the truth of facts, having been completely accompanied in this effort by the Leicestershire Constabulary, the police force that is located in the city of Leicester, where most of the people in the holiday group come from.

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Post by SashaM on 22.02.10 9:37

Heck! That's a lot of hearsay that was floating around the internet Jack Shocked As I was reading through your 87 points my jaw dropped. It's a good job the PJ Files were released in the end, at least we have some sort of reference towards the truth now.

I must admit, I seem to recall No 14 (Clarence Mitchell being in Praia da Luz 3/5/07) but can't remember where from now.

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Post by hedge on 22.02.10 14:22

@jack wrote:Autumn... some of the lies told about the McCanns , you probably believe all of them.

Remember these?
1. Chaplins....(wasnt that one started by someone called Vera who is now buddies with TB and stevo?
2. McCanns being called back from Chaplins
3. Management offering them a babysitter
4. Gerry being angry that he was called back from chaplins
5. Gerry not being Madeleines biological father
6. Kate being beaten, bruising from hitting the walls in frustration (is in JT's rogatory testimony she says Kate hit the walls....she was so upset)
7. Gerry being related to Jack McCann
8. 14 bottles of wine!!
9. GNR saying they were drunk
10. Waiter saying no one moved from the table that night.
11.CCTV being inside the tapas bar or the tapas reception.
12. non existant CCTV showing that no one moved from the table that night to check children
13. Catriona Baker critisising the McCanns
14. Clarence Mitchell being in PDL on 3/5/07
15 Carter Ruck had nothing to do with the MFoundation site being taken down in September 09.
15. syringe found in the bedroom
16. Apartment "unnaturally tidy" as if no children had ever been there
17. All the children slept together in one apartment
18. Gordon Brown being at PDL on 3/05/07.
19. The McCanns called Sky before they called the police.
20. The McCanns called Sky.
21. Madeleine being autistic or having some other serious health issue.
22. Madeleine's blood in the apartment..it wasnt. M Brunt reported there was on SKY. Think this information was given to him from a source in Portugal.
23. The rogue tory letters being delayed by Britain (it was Lisbon)
24. That the British refused to provide certain personal information (It was the Portuguese Judges who refused)
25. That the British Lab changed the results (The PJ "missinterpretted" the results )
26. That there is evidence indicating that Madeleine is dead. (There is no evidence)
27. That the delay in phoning the police was down to the McCanns or friends (it was down to OC phoning their boss)
28. The "swinging" story. Barra da Costa started this one, on live TV. He was then questioned further and admitted he got this information from a U.K. forum cant for the life of me guess which one that was
29. That someone had a row with the McCanns and flew home the morning after she disappeared.
30. That the last photo of Madeleine was photo-shopped
31. That Madeleine was not at the creche that day.
32. Crap from Sol 'one of the dogs can distinguish between natural death or death by accident that does not involve bloodshed, the other one can diagnose whether someone died a violent death, with bloodshed or other spilled fluids'
33. The pact of 'silence'....it was an agreement not to talk to the press. when translated it can come out as pact.
34. dogs alerted to Madeleines t shirt. Was Seans
35. That cleaners were turned away on the 3rd . The rota was Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays
36. That the shutters were down. They were up, independant witness to that
37. That it was only the McCanns friends that saw Murat there that night.
38. That the mccanns gave Madeleine calpol as a sedative. Calpol night is the only calpol with a mild sedative and it was not released on the market until Nov 2007.
39. That 15 out of 19 markers were in the dna samples belonging to Madeleine. Not strictly true. 15 were found but that was out of 37. Could have been made up by up to 5 people!
40. A fridge was used to store a body (Amarals book I believe) oh and coldwater touched on it as well. Claims that it was written on the find Madeleine web site have been found to be incorrect...Jayelles checked all archived logs herehttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www ... leine.com/
41. That Maddies biological dad was tracked down in Birmingham and ruled out of the investigation
41. 24 photos.....these photos were allegedly taken by another tourist on the 3/5/ at the Tapas. Levy tried to sell them to a tabloid without even having them (Duarte Levy). They were according to Levy going to blow the case wide open.
42. Fund fraud
43. That the front door could only be opened with a key, thus "proving" that there was no abduction
44. That they washed the curtains and the whole place with bleach. (the curtains may have been washed and the place cleaned with bleach but it wasn't the McCanns that did it, they left the apartment that night and it was relet and presumeably deep cleaned by professional cleaners before the second forensic sweep).
45. traces of medication found in forensic analysis of Madeleine's hair.
46. Clumps of hair found in the wheel well in the car....no clumps and the car doesnt have a wheel well
47. Madeleine is a clone.
48. Kate was in the apartment the night Mrs Fenn heard the sustained crying (Paulo Reis)
49. The "secret investigation" that was going to present evidence to have the case re-opened (Reis and Fatdog)
50. 2 of the Tapas changing their story.........they didnt.
51. Kate/Gerry/the Tapas7) would be arrested as soon as they'd return to Portugal. Gerry and (some) of the T7 returned, didn't get arrested
52. Kate gets arrested as soon as she returns to Portugal...returned in Sept 09. She did not get arrested.
53. re-testing of the samples in an independent lab....HH
54. Madeleine's remains were placed inside a dog and cremated
55. Karen Mathews was a good example of how a mother whose daughter has been abducted should behave. They were real tears. From 3as
56. That the McCanns refused to do a reconstruction. Source of myth/claim: 28th May, 2008 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l-part.htm and thereafter regularly claimed by anti-McCanns.Source of counter claim: 27th May, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7422787.stm
(Not sure they could refuse anyway as they were still arguidos).
57. That Spanish police were examining CCTV footage of the McCann truip to Huelva.Denied by Spanish Police who claimed that the reports were false and that they were not investigating the McCanns in any way, shape or form.http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 280985.ece
58. That Gerry McCann calmly returned to the Tapas Bar despite thinking someone was in the apartment with the children and that he didn't bother mention this for four months after.http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.htm ... page_id=34
59. Wooden floor tiles in 5as. That information was taken from a reconstruction by one of the papers who used another apartment.
60 Kate said that cuddle cat was found on a high shelf. Original article:- 12th August, 2007 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sunday-mirror/2 ... -19613517/
This report was immediately rehashed by the Daily Mail with more emphasis on the toy being placed out of reach: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... reach.htmlIt
61. yrreg si ytliug - cos he says so backwards....yes you read that right....with many thanks to DCB. I wouldnt be the person I am without DCB. I owe you a debt of gratitude DCB...
62. That they found drugs in the McCanns villa they rented. Well yes they did but they were Kates Dads.
63. That the Tapas Restaraunt actually serves Tapas....they dont. Silly one but bugs the life out of me.
64. Kate was in the apartment the night Mrs Fenn heard the sustained crying (Paulo Reis)
65.The "secret investigation" that was going to present evidence to have the case re-opened (Reis and Fatdog)
66. That 5a is 100,200,300,500 metres and even a quater of a mile from the tapas where they were dining.
67. The Tapas is NOT a PUB. It's a restaraunt!
68. The parents trademarked Madeleine's eye coloboma. Disproved in the J4 book of truth, when one of the authors actually e-mailed the British trademark association, and was told you cannot trademark a body part.
69. Kate marked a passage in her Bible about the death of a child. Turned out the bible was second hand, and was originally marked by the previous owner.
70. the pj didn't get the information about the financial situation of the McCanns or information about their credit cards.
The pj did get it (might have been after GA got sacked from the case).
71. That the twins didn't really care Madeleine was gone because they didn't spend much time with her anyway.
72. That Madeleine had an IVF twin.
73.That there are three Madeleines.
74. That the mccanns didnt mention to the police their concerns about the twins being drugged (happenned in very early May)
75. The McCanns didnt immediately tell the police about Madeleine crying the night before.
76. That there were no sightings of madeleine in Portugal, files say otherwise.
78. A witness regularly walking past the McCanns apartment heard crying all the time. Rubbish, nothing in the files yet this witness was supposed to have given a statement to the PJ.
79. Jane Hill or someone else, who was said to have talked about a "fine spray" found, which indicated a brain injury......never found in the files. Was talked about on 3as and became fact
80. The McCann's always said they would never leave Portugal without Madeleine-then ran for home as soon as they were made arguido's. A LOT is often made of that, completely forgetting/ignoring the headlines in the British press TWO WEEKS earlier, 'Broke, and coming home' where the McCann's explained that they could no longer afford to stay in Portugal, even giving the time and date they were leaving, which, co-incidentally, was the exact same time as they eventually DID leave.
81. McCanns rental agreement was signed well in advance that showed the date they would be leaving.
82. Amaral donated a proportion of the profits from the sale of his book to charity. Again, not a shred of evidence that he did. Indeed the courts froze any of the profits!
83. That the smell of death was found anywhere. No proof, no evidence.
84. M15 worked on the case
85.The McCanns had a D notice put on reporting of the case.
86. Carter had nothing to do with the Madeleine foundation being taken.....of couse.....they did
87. That the McCanns didnt ask for tests with regard to drugging months after May...see Stephen Markleys statement.

A great many of those still pop up even now, incredible really what people will believe.

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Post by SashaM on 22.02.10 17:35

Maybe some people don’t know where to look for the PJ Files or are too lazy to check and repeat parrot fashion? Lack of information tends to lead to speculation. I’m guilty of speculating about Madeleine’s coloboma.

I think some of those rumours in Jack's list were started by the newspapers (Express?) and people ran with them, especially the hypodermic needle and clumps of hair. Just goes to show that not everything printed in the newspapers or typed in the online news can be believed .... not just “against” the McCann couple but also ”for” the McCann couple (Mr Amaral for example)

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Post by SashaM on 22.02.10 20:13

I just remembered something....not all speculation was built on rumour. The blue bag was rubbished but that turned out to be true and the debate over whether or not Gerry’s first phone conversations the night Madeleine disappeared was “it’s a disaster” also turned out to be true, although I’m not sure why anyone would worry over those words.

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Post by hedge on 22.02.10 20:16

@SashaM wrote:I just remembered something....not all speculation was built on rumour. The blue bag was rubbished but that turned out to be true and the debate over whether or not Gerry’s first phone conversations the night Madeleine disappeared was “it’s a disaster” also turned out to be true, although I’m not sure why anyone would worry over those words.

There was no blue sports bag but yes I think family back home reported that he said something along those lines, I think it must be very hard to explain to people hundreds of miles away just how bad a situation is, it's automatic for people to be reasuring and say things like I'm sure she's just hiding, she'll turn up etc

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Post by SashaM on 22.02.10 22:33

I agree Hedge, it must be difficult, but the explanation of the apparent missing blue bag came from Sky News. There's an official looking man (detective?) that explains....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akv01Y0pfNY&feature=player_embedded

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Martin Brunt: "And detectives have been searching for a blue tennis bag that went missing from the McCanns holiday apartment. The bag belonged to Gerry McCann, he’d been playing tennis in the hours before his daughter vanished."

Man (I don’t know who the official looking man is): "There’s a bag of, of a size that could be taking away from the flat a child that would be of great interest to the investigating officer."

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Post by bunny on 22.02.10 22:42

Err Sasha...it was rubbish I think you will find. Dont forget Martin Brunt is the person who said there was a 100% dna match to Madeleine in the car.

He was fed rubbish from others in Portugal and he fell for it.

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Post by hedge on 22.02.10 22:53

@SashaM wrote:I agree Hedge, it must be difficult, but the explanation of the apparent missing blue bag came from Sky News. There's an official looking man (detective?) that explains....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akv01Y0pfNY&feature=player_embedded

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Martin Brunt: "And detectives have been searching for a blue tennis bag that went missing from the McCanns holiday apartment. The bag belonged to Gerry McCann, he’d been playing tennis in the hours before his daughter vanished."

Man (I don’t know who the official looking man is): "There’s a bag of, of a size that could be taking away from the flat a child that would be of great interest to the investigating officer."


Oooh dear another of Brunts little mistakes, the blue bag allegations came from Amaral I think, some sort of suggestion that a child Madeleine's age could be carried in one and hey the Mccanns don't have one and even more suspiciously (?!) haven't reported one missing, yet they played tennis on holiday.

Yep, that appears to be the calibre of the suggestion. No one ever saw such bag, there is no evidence of any bag, no evidence of Madeleine being dead but hey there might be one and if she were dead and if there was any possible suggestion that the Mccanns were monsters then technically it's possible that they might have used such a bag.

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Post by SashaM on 23.02.10 8:46

Yes I agree about Martin Brunt. It was unfortunate for him to announce 100% and going by the video of that report Brunty had just received the news through his earpiece... so whoever was at the other end feeding him that gem needs to be hung, drawn and quartered.

But my main concern is about the man who said they’re looking for the blue tennis bag. Is he a British detective who was part of the British investigation team within Portugal? Or is he just someone with no credentials who’s simply backing the tennis bag claim?

But that aside, another reason for showing the video was to explain that sometimes apparent myths are built from News reports who many (at the time) trusted to bring them the truth of the matter. We now know differently.... sometimes the News has other agenda’s and sometimes they’re genuinely mistaken.

Bunny, I hope I don’t offend you because I don’t mean to .... but when you say no-one saw the bag are you referring to Kate and Gerry’s friends?

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Post by bunny on 23.02.10 9:33

Hey Sasha, you're not offending me at all! but I didnt say that no one saw the bag in my post. I dont think it existed, well not a tennis bag anyway but thats my personal opinion.

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Post by SashaM on 23.02.10 9:58

Oops...sorry Bunny...I read Hedge's post as being yours (I still don't mean any offence to Hedge either).

I need a trip to the opticians! :oops:

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Post by Ruby on 23.02.10 11:27

This bag?

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Post by SashaM on 23.02.10 11:36

Thank you for the reminder Ruby...I was looking for those photos the other week on Jill's site. Would you mind if I copy them to one of my older articles (to do with the blue bag) on my blog?

Do you know who's in the Sky News video? (6th post above).

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.02.10 12:11

How was it missing if it's in the cupboard?

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Post by SashaM on 23.02.10 12:55

@vaguely1 wrote:How was it missing if it's in the cupboard?
Because it disappeared after the photos were taken? Maybe that's why the man in the Sky News Video was asking about the blue bag? Maybe the police asked Gerry where it was and he denied it's existence but the PJ photos showed otherwise and caused suspicion?

Too many questions but not enough answers to be able to reach an absolute conclusion on the blue bag issue at the moment. Well, not until something turns up somewhere.... in the PJ Files... or the separate "secret dossier" that came to light during the McCann Vs Amaral court hearing perhaps.

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