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Post  tuom on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 13:58

Afternoon All ,

I have only recently read KMC's book , and I now studying it a little closer , some of what I saw has been dealt with here already and I have tried to read them all , but I do have a few things that would need clarification, so is this the right place to post about the book ?

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Re: The Book

Post  candyfloss on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 14:01

Yes, that's fine tuom thumbsup

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Re: The Book

Post  tigger on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 14:16

I don't know immediately where you would find it, but Russian Doll found quite a few questions in the book.
e.g. the crying episode - at one point Gerry and Kate wondered if she'd been crying when she was having a bath. Which immediately ( thumbup RD) begged the question, if they had to wonder - then they weren't there when Maddie was being bathed. So who did that?

The book is full of this stuff, I'm afraid that the revised paperback version may have taken note of our comments and changed quite a few things!

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3580-were-the-chilren-ever-unsupervised-at-bath-timequestion-arising-from-madeleine-book


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Re: The Book

Post  tuom on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 14:29

tigger wrote:I don't know immediately where you would find it, but Russian Doll found quite a few questions in the book.
e.g. the crying episode - at one point Gerry and Kate wondered if she'd been crying when she was having a bath. Which immediately ( RD) begged the question, if they had to wonder - then they weren't there when Maddie was being bathed. So who did that?

The book is full of this stuff, I'm afraid that the revised paperback version may have taken note of our comments and changed quite a few things!




Thank you I am going through RD posts on this subject also.

Chapter 1 full of I , we , no mention of MMC yet , for me the story began in May 2007 as did the diaries of KMC, did the public really need all that rambling details of their background ?

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Post  tuom on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 15:22

This Chapter is entitled Madeline yet it starts as page 31 and it is page 40 before she is mentioned , again all the details of eggs , sperm is totally not needed in this book , a brief reference to IVF would have been sufficent.



On the birth of MMC , I am remebering the births of my own three , as it is a long time ago I find KMC words rather strange

" our daughter was perfect, beautiful round head, no marks, not at all squashed, big big eyes, lovely compact little body"

Perhaps the fact that she is a doctor that she described the baby like this but it does seem clinical to me

Chapter 3 drones on again , poor gerry had to care for MMC when he came home from work, KMC was so protective that she refused to travel as the car seat was wobbling very very slightly ! GMC thought she was over the top but KMC always erred on the side of caution ! 2004 annus horribilis !

On the birth of the twins "shocked by this boy of mine, wasnt the prettiest, he was squashed and his head was lop sided, Amelie was beautiful from the start ,

Towards the end of this chapter we get to going on the Holiday which IMO is where the book perhaps with a brief description of the family before May 2007 should have started.

I will be back later as I want to re read the upcoming chapters and to finish reading RD's post on the book.

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Re: The Book

Post  anil39200 on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 16:02

I notice that the book is being offered in the 'used' section of Amazon from 44p, which must be quite galling. Having read it, Imo, I do not think it is particularly well written, believe it is aimed at a 'sympathetic' section of the book buying public , contains very little information about the child, lots of info about the writer's feelings, it is sometimes, bitter, vindictive and vicious, not to mention the question of page 129, which contains lines
I cannot understand the reasoning for.
All on my opinion.
My understanding is that the book is meant to aid the parents search and theory true account of what happened. If we cut through all the me, myself, I, references and look at the situation that the mother says she 'found' her daughter missing and compare that with their recent Scandanavian interviews where they say they still do not know what happened then what is left is a 'true'


account of what they SAY or Believe happened. This would therefore amount to no more than a theory, or worse guesswork. The mother stated in a tv interview in Portugal that she KNEW what had happened, in the recent interview, where the daughter's looks we are informed would make her blend in Scamdanavia, the father stated they did NOT know what happened. This was the infamous Portugal doesn't have a Royal Navy interview I believe. So, just taking those few points, how do they expect people to 'search' on their behalf when there are so many discrepancies. IMO. More to the point, the stuff I have written above is not rocket science so I cannot understand how people can be so gullible as to not question the given version of events. To lose a child must be devastating, but the manner of the aftermath of this particular story raises more questions than answers.

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Re: The Book

Post  tuom on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 16:51

[quote="anil39200"]I notice that the book is being offered in the 'used' section of Amazon from 44p, which must be quite galling. Having read it, Imo, I do not think it is particularly well written, believe it is aimed at a 'sympathetic' section of the book buying public , contains very little information about the child, lots of info about the writer's feelings, it is sometimes, bitter, vindictive and vicious, not to mention the question of page 129, which contains lines


Oh my that really must be galling ! at 44p it would be too much for me , I did not buy it and TY to a poster who provided the link to it online.



Ok the Holiday , from that chapter after reading through again long drawn out descriptions of boring content I find the following points strange:

Sat Aug 28th 2007 KMC says " by this stage even I was feeling quite up for it " you were going on holidays for God's sake !

After the first few days we barely used the front door , coming and going through the patio doors and up and down the steps

There is a picture plan in the book of the apartment , looking at the way the bedroom door opens would'nt MMC's bed be the first to be seen on looking into the bedroom ? I must check the case files again as to what M. Olfield said about not seeing MMC's bed and that he could see the twins and I think the MC's said that they used to leave a light on in the living room or the hallway

MMC never woke before 2 or 3 in the morning, Oh thats fine so , once we are back before then all is fine and dandy

They are more precious and special to me than life itself and I would never knowlingly place them at risk no matter how small a risk it might seem to be............. leaving them alone ???

KMC mentions that lunchtimes were full of tales from the kids club ......... a little bit more information here would have been nice

Gerry and I like to have routine, though we are not obsessed by it ............ you are on holidays !

There is mention in this chapter of MMC new holiday sandals ........... my kids are long grown and flown and I can only comment that even to me those sandals do not look new and are even old fashioned looking,

Then we have the ice creams on the beach ......... " I was momentarily torn" in her subconscious she thought of abduction at this time

The pink running shoes......... way too much information , attacked by a dog in a foreign country and yet there is no mention of it as being important, I know I would certainly have sought attention , especially if the skin was broken............ oops I forgot they were all doctors

Gerry leaves the Tapas abruptly leaving KMC upset and embarrassed but this is only a storm in a teacup and though she found him snoring and had to sleep in the other room , she makes no big deal of it, placing myself in that position , if my husband did that he would get a right earfull the following morning

Well back to my reading

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Re: The Book

Post  russiandoll on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 19:35

IMO a lot of attention needs paying to things that are skimmed over, dismissed as trivial or omitted by Kate in her book,[ e.g, info in the files]. I too believe the sleeping apart occasion was much more than she made of it.

Take a look at her check from when she entered 5a, the ridiculous amount of detail about opening and closing doors, her movements around 5a... what she claims to have done re the bedroom door is nonsense if she is going to visuallly check her daughter.

And why so little info about 30th April, nothing mentioned apart from the supermarket and the evening meal is referred to, this is a day according to creche records when the twins stayed in creche all afternoon until tea time at 5.30 but Maddie was in for just 15 minutes and out for 2 hours prior to 5.30...where was she and who was she with? She might have been unhappy in creche, unwell so removed, might have had some alone time with her Mum, Dad or both......why not tell us when Kate went into so much mundane detail about other days?


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Post  tuom on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 19:46

russiandoll wrote: IMO a lot of attention needs paying to things that are skimmed over, dismissed as trivial or omitted by Kate in her book,[ e.g, info in the files]. I too believe the sleeping apart occasion was much more than she made of it.

Take a look at her check from when she entered 5a, the ridiculous amount of detail about opening and closing doors, her movements around 5a... what she claims to have done re the bedroom door is nonsense if she is going to visuallly check her daughter.

And why so little info about 30th April, nothing mentioned apart from the supermarket and the evening meal is referred to, this is a day according to creche records when the twins stayed in creche all afternoon until tea time at 5.30 but Maddie was in for just 15 minutes and out for 2 hours prior to 5.30...where was she and who was she with? She might have been unhappy in creche, unwell so removed, might have had some alone time with her Mum, Dad or both......why not tell us when Kate went into so much mundane detail about other days?





I totally agree with you on this RD, as I said in my post "tales from the kids club" why not tell us some of the fun things that MMC did ? arts and crafts. did she bring any back with her ( I remember having to wear a silly hat that my youngest made while we were in Malta ) instead we get a rambling and boring story about a pair of runners for God's sake, RD I am up to the crying episode and MMC strange remark, I am going to read some more posts on this and reread this section of the book as IMO this could be a key point in this.

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Re: The Book

Post  rainbow-fairy on Sat 7 Apr 2012 - 20:28

tuom wrote:
russiandoll wrote: IMO a lot of attention needs paying to things that are skimmed over, dismissed as trivial or omitted by Kate in her book,[ e.g, info in the files]. I too believe the sleeping apart occasion was much more than she made of it.

Take a look at her check from when she entered 5a, the ridiculous amount of detail about opening and closing doors, her movements around 5a... what she claims to have done re the bedroom door is nonsense if she is going to visuallly check her daughter.

And why so little info about 30th April, nothing mentioned apart from the supermarket and the evening meal is referred to, this is a day according to creche records when the twins stayed in creche all afternoon until tea time at 5.30 but Maddie was in for just 15 minutes and out for 2 hours prior to 5.30...where was she and who was she with? She might have been unhappy in creche, unwell so removed, might have had some alone time with her Mum, Dad or both......why not tell us when Kate went into so much mundane detail about other days?





I totally agree with you on this RD, as I said in my post "tales from the kids club" why not tell us some of the fun things that MMC did ? arts and crafts. did she bring any back with her ( I remember having to wear a silly hat that my youngest made while we were in Malta ) instead we get a rambling and boring story about a pair of runners for God's sake, RD I am up to the crying episode and MMC strange remark, I am going to read some more posts on this and reread this section of the book as IMO this could be a key point in this.

I have this nasty feeling in the pit of my stomach about this crying in the bath episode. Gaspar statement springs to mind.

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