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Re: The controversial Gaspar Statement

Post by Inspectorfrost on 08.02.13 20:21

Mirage you are overthinking and over analysing, andbeong suspicious of me for no good reason, trust me

I didnt remember WHO uttered the contrived word, so certainly wasnt you or anyone else being pointed out, I wasnt pointing anything out apart from the fact that kate mccanns words are contrived...as you said, i bloody agreed

As for ........ Means nothing, its a way of posting....dot dot dot, you watching too much spooks maybe
lol!


I dont mind ding dongs and arguments but dont like being accused of doing something which i wasnt if thats ok, especially if the thing i am accused of is something from where i was actually agreeing with the accuser, never mind

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 08.02.13 20:30

@aquila wrote:
@Mirage wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:So Mirage, you answered juicy who posted after me, so no reply




Thank you for your response, Inspector Frost.

The reason for my annoyance was that I had made a specific point about the "contrived language" and voilà, your ETA made a condescending point about the contrived language a couple of posts later tacked on the end of some communications with other posters in and and around me. The "Of course it is" comment didn't sound overly welcoming or tolerant of a newcomer either. As if I were thick or something.

It's a small matter of empathy, courtesy and tolerance, even if you are bored by what you consider something self-evident. We all come from different disciplines. I, myself, am a retired professional and can draw on a wealth of experience of human nature - I hope.

I pride myself on being polite and circumspect, knowing that I am trying to interact with long-established and very knowledgeable people.

I thank you for filling in the missing words of the dots. Unfortunately, your efforts only added to the sense of mystery. I'm sorry but I still find it an inexplicable non-sequitur. Perhaps I AM being thick. Anyway, I didn't want to reply straightaway while I gave it some thought.

Your emoticon sign "Never mind" came as both a reassurance and a surprise. It told me that you can emote. It also told me that, like myself, you didn't like being leap-frogged and ignored. If only you'd been as quick to hold up this one when I first appeared

Now that's an end of it because I came on here for a much bigger reason than this nonsense.

Keep posting Mirage. Ignore the nonsense that's happening on the forum at the moment. It's not the first time and won't be the last. Just keep going. Your posts are valuable.

Care to share? And if you have something to say about my posts with mirage spit it out
they were wrong in that they thought i was having a go as E VIDENCED in all my posts to them since thanks

of course if you were talking about something else my apologies

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Re: The controversial Gaspar Statement

Post by Mirage on 08.02.13 20:41

@aquila wrote:
@Mirage wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:So Mirage, you answered juicy who posted after me, so no reply




Thank you for your response, Inspector Frost.

The reason for my annoyance was that I had made a specific point about the "contrived language" and voilà, your ETA made a condescending point about the contrived language a couple of posts later tacked on the end of some communications with other posters in and and around me. The "Of course it is" comment didn't sound overly welcoming or tolerant of a newcomer either. As if I were thick or something.

It's a small matter of empathy, courtesy and tolerance, even if you are bored by what you consider something self-evident. We all come from different disciplines. I, myself, am a retired professional and can draw on a wealth of experience of human nature - I hope.

I pride myself on being polite and circumspect, knowing that I am trying to interact with long-established and very knowledgeable people.

I thank you for filling in the missing words of the dots. Unfortunately, your efforts only added to the sense of mystery. I'm sorry but I still find it an inexplicable non-sequitur. Perhaps I AM being thick. Anyway, I didn't want to reply straightaway while I gave it some thought.

Your emoticon sign "Never mind" came as both a reassurance and a surprise. It told me that you can emote. It also told me that, like myself, you didn't like being leap-frogged and ignored. If only you'd been as quick to hold up this one when I first appeared

Now that's an end of it because I came on here for a much bigger reason than this nonsense.

Keep posting Mirage. Ignore the nonsense that's happening on the forum at the moment. It's not the first time and won't be the last. Just keep going. Your posts are valuable.

Many thanks aquila.

I keep telling my other half that this is a really impressive forum. He is less than convinced about any internet fora and this evening there was a bit of "I told you so" going on which really put me on a downer.

I've been quite ill the last fortnight. Even so I had tried to psyche myself up to travelling the 300+ miles to London to support Tony. I just wasn't well enough. As you can imagine, I am not in the best frame of mind for small-minded forum politics. I've met it before, recognise it and if it becomes counter-productive I go. It's as simple as that.

MBM is THE only focus - my only reason to be here. And the protection of all those vulnerable ones denied a voice. That's why we pick endlessly at the small details. Ok, we may re-visit old ground, repeat ourselves but how else do we reach that Eureka moment or, more importantly, demonstrate such to the watching world. And this is a leading forum, make no mistake

I find it embarrassing and uncomfortable to be anywhere near undercurrents. I'm aware of the world watching us - not just TM - but US too. If we cannot acquit ourselves with a measure of decorum we do MBM a massive injustice too.

Injustice is a lifelong detestation of mine. I've met it in its various forms - more than most I should say. That's what keeps me devoted to this cause. But I am too old to squander my energy on puerile games.

It's not about US. It is about passing on a decent and equitable society for those coming after us to the best of our ability.

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Re: The controversial Gaspar Statement

Post by bobbin on 08.02.13 20:44

@Dr What wrote:I keep thinking about the spring cleaning that went on in 5a.
Am I right in thinking that there was very little, or indeed no, DNA evidence of Maddie ever being there?Now, why would that be? I have read 2 possible explanations;
To conceal some possible parentage issue:
To totally clean a blood soaked crime scene:
Leaving the parentage issue to one side, if one had to clean a crime scene, the possible "crime" would not have covered the whole flat.It might involve one specific area, but not the whole lot.It is illogical to sweep clean the whole flat, particularly when one would expect some evidence of Maddie having been there whether an abduction had occurred or not.Perhaps the spring cleaners were being too clever.
Perhaps the cleaning was required to remove any evidence of someone else being in the flat.Someone whose DNA should not have been there.The whole cleaning exercise was a determined effort to remove all evidence of someone else, not Maddie.But in doing so, they were far too thorough and left no evidence of someone who should have been there, namely Maddie.

Now that's an interesting thought. I wonder if this is rather close.
Certainly it is too bizarre that no sign, no hairs, no sticky finger prints, nothing could be found of a child who was supposed to have been there for almost a week.
Nothing can pass through an area without leaving a sign.
My garden has lately been all dug up. Chicken food has disappeared, a rubbish bag, put out to go to the tip, opened and spread over the ground.
Then it snowed and the next morning I identified and followed the foot prints.
A wild pig had come through from my neighbour's garden next to the local nature reserve.
Parents claim that their child was in the apartment for almost a week but there is no evidence.
Either the parents are lying and the child had not been there, or an exceptionally thorough cleaning job has been done.
None of this can happen without the parents knowing something about it. AIMO of course.

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Re: The controversial Gaspar Statement

Post by Inspectorfrost on 08.02.13 20:53

@Mirage wrote:
@aquila wrote:
@Mirage wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:So Mirage, you answered juicy who posted after me, so no reply




Thank you for your response, Inspector Frost.

The reason for my annoyance was that I had made a specific point about the "contrived language" and voilà, your ETA made a condescending point about the contrived language a couple of posts later tacked on the end of some communications with other posters in and and around me. The "Of course it is" comment didn't sound overly welcoming or tolerant of a newcomer either. As if I were thick or something.

It's a small matter of empathy, courtesy and tolerance, even if you are bored by what you consider something self-evident. We all come from different disciplines. I, myself, am a retired professional and can draw on a wealth of experience of human nature - I hope.

I pride myself on being polite and circumspect, knowing that I am trying to interact with long-established and very knowledgeable people.

I thank you for filling in the missing words of the dots. Unfortunately, your efforts only added to the sense of mystery. I'm sorry but I still find it an inexplicable non-sequitur. Perhaps I AM being thick. Anyway, I didn't want to reply straightaway while I gave it some thought.

Your emoticon sign "Never mind" came as both a reassurance and a surprise. It told me that you can emote. It also told me that, like myself, you didn't like being leap-frogged and ignored. If only you'd been as quick to hold up this one when I first appeared

Now that's an end of it because I came on here for a much bigger reason than this nonsense.

Keep posting Mirage. Ignore the nonsense that's happening on the forum at the moment. It's not the first time and won't be the last. Just keep going. Your posts are valuable.

Many thanks aquila.

I keep telling my other half that this is a really impressive forum. He is less than convinced about any internet fora and this evening there was a bit of "I told you so" going on which really put me on a downer.

I've been quite ill the last fortnight. Even so I had tried to psyche myself up to travelling the 300+ miles to London to support Tony. I just wasn't well enough. As you can imagine, I am not in the best frame of mind for small-minded forum politics. I've met it before, recognise it and if it becomes counter-productive I go. It's as simple as that.

MBM is THE only focus - my only reason to be here. And the protection of all those vulnerable ones denied a voice. That's why we pick endlessly at the small details. Ok, we may re-visit old ground, repeat ourselves but how else do we reach that Eureka moment or, more importantly, demonstrate such to the watching world. And this is a leading forum, make no mistake

I find it embarrassing and uncomfortable to be anywhere near undercurrents. I'm aware of the world watching us - not just TM - but US too. If we cannot acquit ourselves with a measure of decorum we do MBM a massive injustice too.

Injustice is a lifelong detestation of mine. I've met it in its various forms - more than most I should say. That's what keeps me devoted to this cause. But I am too old to squander my energy on puerile games.

It's not about US. It is about passing on a decent and equitable society for those coming after us to the best of our ability.

maybe some of that decent society might think its wrong to accuse people you post with on a forum of something they didnt do hey? Ignore their posts when they said they didnt but answer to posts which feed your fears and wrong thinking and try andbrainwash you Food for though hey mirage

JUST a reminder I said Kates writings were CONTRIVED
and agreed originally with YOU
so the rest of this malarky is nonsense

Aquila take note to read older posts before damning people

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 08.02.13 21:25

Mirage,

You write very eloquently indeed, and I for one look forward to reading more roses

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Post by aquila on 08.02.13 21:33

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Mirage,

You write very eloquently indeed, and I for one look forward to reading more

Me too.

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Post by Mirage on 08.02.13 22:05

@aquila wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:Mirage,

You write very eloquently indeed, and I for one look forward to reading more

Me too.

Smoke and Mirrors and aquila.

You are very kind. Thank you.

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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 22:09

Inspectorsfrost, with all due respect. I'll take a time out from here and go read a book now.
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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 22:17

Mirage, you really would have been an asset to Kate when she was writing her book - you would have told her that some of her phrases were completely inappropriate!

You will probably say though that there wasn't enough money in the world to have made you volunteer for that task......

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Post by Inspectorfrost on 08.02.13 22:23

Châtelaine wrote:Inspectorsfrost, with all due respect. I'll take a time out from here and go read a book now.
Good night.

Meaning? Do tell what I have done wrong but dont worry Chatelaine I was off to bed anyway Will read your answer tomorrow
This is getting wierd now Im being Attacked for agreeing with someone on here that kates words were out of order its bizarre nite though anyway

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Post by Mirage on 08.02.13 22:23

Jean wrote:Mirage, you really would have been an asset to Kate when she was writing her book - you would have told her that some of her phrases were completely inappropriate!

You will probably say though that there wasn't enough money in the world to have made you volunteer for that task......

Thank you so much Jean. It's not a job I would take for all the tea in China, you are quite right.

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Post by Badboys on 08.02.13 22:45

@Dr What wrote:I keep thinking about the spring cleaning that went on in 5a.
Am I right in thinking that there was very little, or indeed no, DNA evidence of Maddie ever being there?Now, why would that be? I have read 2 possible explanations;
To conceal some possible parentage issue:
To totally clean a blood soaked crime scene:
Leaving the parentage issue to one side, if one had to clean a crime scene, the possible "crime" would not have covered the whole flat.It might involve one specific area, but not the whole lot.It is illogical to sweep clean the whole flat, particularly when one would expect some evidence of Maddie having been there whether an abduction had occurred or not.Perhaps the spring cleaners were being too clever.
Perhaps the cleaning was required to remove any evidence of someone else being in the flat.Someone whose DNA should not have been there.The whole cleaning exercise was a determined effort to remove all evidence of someone else, not Maddie.But in doing so, they were far too thorough and left no evidence of someone who should have been there, namely Maddie.
hadn't thought of that one, however I always thought there was someone there in pdl who didn't want their presence known.

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Post by guest. on 08.02.13 23:08

@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:If, and this is a big IF of course, GM was a paedophile with a CATS register, then that could also explain why he might have wanted to 'lose' his credit cards so to hide any record of child porn downloads.

Are you referring to his wallet being stolen? If so I have read this this before on forums. if that is true it could only account for activities from the time it was stolen to the time it was reported which was immediate, if not, my apologies
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Why would either DP or GM issue a statement in public about something in the police files which is not public and only known to madeleine forum members(/quote)


Sally66 quote

If I remember rightly weren't the PJ denied access to the McCanns financial records?
Wouldnt they be attracting attention to said files? perhaps that is why

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Post by guest. on 08.02.13 23:14

sally66 wrote:
@Inspectorfrost wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:If, and this is a big IF of course, GM was a paedophile with a CATS register, then that could also explain why he might have wanted to 'lose' his credit cards so to hide any record of child porn downloads.

Are you referring to his wallet being stolen? If so I have read this this before on forums. if that is true it could only account for activities from the time it was stolen to the time it was reported which was immediate, if not, my apologies
@ Hobs

Why would either DP or GM issue a statement in public about something in the police files which is not public and only known to forum
Wouldnt they be attracting attention to said files? perhaps that is why

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If I remember rightly weren't the PJ denied access to the McCanns financial records?
Wouldnt they be attracting attention to said files? perhaps that is why[/quote][/quote]

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Post by Mirage on 08.02.13 23:25

@Badboys wrote:
@Dr What wrote:I keep thinking about the spring cleaning that went on in 5a.
Am I right in thinking that there was very little, or indeed no, DNA evidence of Maddie ever being there?Now, why would that be? I have read 2 possible explanations;
To conceal some possible parentage issue:
To totally clean a blood soaked crime scene:
Leaving the parentage issue to one side, if one had to clean a crime scene, the possible "crime" would not have covered the whole flat.It might involve one specific area, but not the whole lot.It is illogical to sweep clean the whole flat, particularly when one would expect some evidence of Maddie having been there whether an abduction had occurred or not.Perhaps the spring cleaners were being too clever.
Perhaps the cleaning was required to remove any evidence of someone else being in the flat.Someone whose DNA should not have been there.The whole cleaning exercise was a determined effort to remove all evidence of someone else, not Maddie.But in doing so, they were far too thorough and left no evidence of someone who should have been there, namely Maddie.
hadn't thought of that one, however I always thought there was someone there in pdl who didn't want their presence known.

I also recall that there was no DNA of MBM culled from the apartment. There seems a question mark over the twins' presence on the night of the 3rd too. The following is taken from the McCann files and concerns the account that nanny Charlotte Pennington gave on the Dispatches programme:-

"There were no children in the room. The twins had been taken out already, I think by one of the McCanns' friends.''

Remember, Pennington ''was in the apartment less than five minutes after they found that Madeleine had gone.''

So where were the twins?

........ It just opens up various avenues of thought for me. Were the twins shipped out for some reason that particular night. Did the children sleep there at all?

Pity about KM's thumb print on the shutter though!

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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 23:29

Didn't one of the GNR officers early at the scene say the twins were there and didn't wake up with all the commotion? I thought I had read that, will see if I can find it, but tomorrow though, unless someone else can post it up or remembers this.

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Post by jd on 08.02.13 23:36

Sally66 quote

If I remember rightly weren't the PJ denied access to the McCanns financial records?
Financial summary

Gerry McCann
No record of a current bank account is held. No credit cards or loans recorded. His mortgage is with Northern Rock. No arrears or defaults recorded.

Kate McCann
No record of a current bank account is held. No credit cards or loans recorded. Her mortgage is with Northern Rock. No arrears or defaults recorded.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS9_FINANCIAL.htm

So no bank account, no credit cards, 2 passports, using a fake address, DVLA out of date...........Not looking good from where I'm standing!

There is a letter from the PJ asking for the mccanns financial records going back 6 weeks prior to May 3rd 2007 but the government refused to send any information to them. I'll locate the letter, its definately here somewhere

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Post by olipet on 08.02.13 23:37

I also remember this - and didn't Kates friend Rachel state that she was a little surprised to see Kate check they were still breathing by putting her hand above their mouths?

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Post by jd on 08.02.13 23:38

candyfloss wrote:Didn't one of the GNR officers early at the scene say the twins were there and didn't wake up with all the commotion? I thought I had read that, will see if I can find it, but tomorrow though, unless someone else can post it up or remembers this.

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, the first policeman to arrive that night. "He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine's room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made."

I put all the relevant GNR statements snippets in the topic below

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4963-gnr-statements?highlight=GNR+Statements

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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 23:40

@jd wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Didn't one of the GNR officers early at the scene say the twins were there and didn't wake up with all the commotion? I thought I had read that, will see if I can find it, but tomorrow though, unless someone else can post it up or remembers this.

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, the first policeman to arrive that night. "He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine's room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made."

I put all the relevant GNR statements snippets in the topic below

[url=http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4963-gnr-statements?highlight=GNR+Statements
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4963-gnr-statements?highlight=GNR+Statements[/quote[/url]]

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Post by Mirage on 08.02.13 23:45

candyfloss wrote:Didn't one of the GNR officers early at the scene say the twins were there and didn't wake up with all the commotion? I thought I had read that, will see if I can find it, but tomorrow though, unless someone else can post it up or remembers this.

Yes they did, you are quite right. Of course.

But it's odd that she should make that statement. If she went into the apartment as she says, why would she volunteer the information? Either she looked in the bedroom herself or was told they weren't there. She must have had some basis for saying this. Or maybe she wasn't there at the time she says.

There were several discrepancies with her statements/timelines, and some were varied after Sept 2007 I seem to recall

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Post by Mirage on 08.02.13 23:54

[quote="candyfloss"]
@jd wrote:
candyfloss wrote:Didn't one of the GNR officers early at the scene say the twins were there and didn't wake up with all the commotion? I thought I had read that, will see if I can find it, but tomorrow though, unless someone else can post it up or remembers this.

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa, the first policeman to arrive that night. "He says that in the apartment there were two beds and two cots placed in Madeleine's room, he does not remember their position. The children never woke up, he is sure, not knowing what position they were in, however he found this situation to be very strange, as a lot of noise was made."

I put all the relevant GNR statements snippets in the topic below

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4963-gnr-statements?highlight=GNR+Statements[/quote]

Thanks jd

Yes thanks jd

I knew this really, it's just that recently I read quite a lot about this Charlotte Pennington and the old brain got stuck and didn't cross-reference. I know the whole rumpus didn't wake the twins and that KM checked their breathing too. IT's late!!!

However, there are some very strange contradictions with CP and I believe she paid a visit to Rothley at some point. I find her an interesting character.

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Post by Guest on 08.02.13 23:55

I've just resurrected an old topic on Charlotte Pennington.

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Post by jd on 09.02.13 0:00

@Mirage wrote:[
However, there are some very strange contradictions with CP and I believe she paid a visit to Rothley at some point. I find her an interesting character.

Yes she did go to Rothley. If I remember correctly, she was summoned by brian 'bulldozer' kennedy and M3 (so was cat baker)

Charlotte goes by the name Charlotte Wighton...she took the surname from her mums new husband

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