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Criminal Profiling Topic of the Day: On Moving and Hiding Bodies - Pat Brown

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going back to Pat Brown's post at the beginning of this thread...

Post by worriedmum on 08.03.12 12:34

I think that the facts about the bag should be established before theories are made

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Post by david_uk on 08.03.12 12:52

@worriedmum wrote:I think that the facts about the bag should be established before theories are made



Amen!.

First thing. When was the photo taken of the bag in the wardrobe.

What happened to the bag in the wardrobe photo after it was photographed.

Was it taken into evidence or was it left with the mccanns.

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Post by Guest on 08.03.12 13:18

@david_uk wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:I think that the facts about the bag should be established before theories are made



Amen!.

First thing. When was the photo taken of the bag in the wardrobe.

What happened to the bag in the wardrobe photo after it was photographed.

Was it taken into evidence or was it left with the mccanns.

This is what we know from Mr Amaral - read the first post, and also the video from Martin Brunt below it.............

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4496-goncalo-amaral-talks-about-the-missing-sports-bag

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Post by aiyoyo on 08.03.12 14:02

@aquila wrote:People carrying bags in a holiday resort is not unusual - even at strange times of the day/night due to flight arrivals/departures (and they don't need to necessarily be UK flights to/from Portugal). It would be quite easy to stick a bag on a transfer bus to the airport and go unnoticed. Get to the airport, bag unloaded, no-one would notice if you took your bag to an awaiting car instead of check-in. It doesn't even need to be YOU that takes the bag on the bus transfer. Just a thought.

There's even the accepted practice of leaving your bag with heaps of other bags in reception with other bags because your flight was much later than your check-out time.

I'm adding as usual. The bag in the cupboard could have been a bag used as luggage. I travel a lot and use lightweight bags to gain the max weight allowance. The bag in the cupboard may well have been something sinister or just a ruse, once again who knows. BUT it's very easy to transfer a bag to an airport in a holiday resort as it's just a bag. The bag would not have needed to go through customs or be checked if it had simply sat with a pile of other bags and at arrival could have been put in a car and transported.

While it is a common sight for bags or luggage to be seen piled in heaps at reception area waiting to be delivered to room or for transfer to airport I should hardly think any one in their right mind would place a bag containing a "body" on this heap and risk someone picking it up by mistake or being knock over.

If a bag with such content is meant for the airport for a third party then surely there are better ways of getting it to the airport without building up one's blood pressure by doing something as stupid as heaping it onto an existing pile.

There were plenty movements among the mccanns holiday friends going home and family arriving that if an extra bag that does not belong to the travelling member was put in car for the airport who is to know. Question is why would they want to take a bag with a 'body' to the airport? Whatever for? Every bag that goes on a flight is scan mandatory.
If it's taken to airport for land transfer, the land transfer cant involve crossing of channels for obvious reason, so why the need to take it to the airport only for cross regional or cross borders transport? It simply does not make practical sense.

If you are saying it's quite normal for one to be carrying a sports bag or hold all bag around a holiday resort and no one will think anything about it or think it's suspicious then enough. People do carry sports bag or hold-all bag around resort and beach for their sporting or water activities. People can be carrying rackets, towels and this and that for the entire family or be carrying snorkelling gears, children floats, toys, sandcastle spade and bucket, towels, sun cream, H20 ond what not for the entire family members so walking around with a bag in holiday apt isn't such a big deal really.





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Post by aquila on 08.03.12 14:09

@aiyoyo wrote:
@aquila wrote:People carrying bags in a holiday resort is not unusual - even at strange times of the day/night due to flight arrivals/departures (and they don't need to necessarily be UK flights to/from Portugal). It would be quite easy to stick a bag on a transfer bus to the airport and go unnoticed. Get to the airport, bag unloaded, no-one would notice if you took your bag to an awaiting car instead of check-in. It doesn't even need to be YOU that takes the bag on the bus transfer. Just a thought.

There's even the accepted practice of leaving your bag with heaps of other bags in reception with other bags because your flight was much later than your check-out time.

I'm adding as usual. The bag in the cupboard could have been a bag used as luggage. I travel a lot and use lightweight bags to gain the max weight allowance. The bag in the cupboard may well have been something sinister or just a ruse, once again who knows. BUT it's very easy to transfer a bag to an airport in a holiday resort as it's just a bag. The bag would not have needed to go through customs or be checked if it had simply sat with a pile of other bags and at arrival could have been put in a car and transported.

While it is a common sight for bags or luggage to be seen piled in heaps at reception area waiting to be delivered to room or for transfer to airport I should hardly think any one in their right mind would place a bag containing a "body" on this heap and risk someone picking it up by mistake or being knock over.

If a bag with such content is meant for the airport for a third party then surely there are better ways of getting it to the airport without building up one's blood pressure by doing something as stupid as heaping it onto an existing pile.

There were plenty movements among the mccanns holiday friends going home and family arriving that if an extra bag that does not belong to the travelling member was put in car for the airport who is to know. Question is why would they want to take a bag with a 'body' to the airport? Whatever for? Every bag that goes on a flight is scan mandatory.
If it's taken to airport for land transfer, the land transfer cant involve crossing of channels for obvious reason, so why the need to take it to the airport only for cross regional or cross borders transport? It simply does not make practical sense.

If you are saying it's quite normal for one to be carrying a sports bag or hold all bag around a holiday resort and no one will think anything about it or think it's suspicious then enough. People do carry sports bag or hold-all bag around resort and beach for their sporting or water activities. People can be carrying rackets, towels and this and that for the entire family or be carrying snorkelling gears, children floats, toys, sandcastle spade and bucket, towels, sun cream, H20 ond what not for the entire family members so walking around with a bag in holiday apt isn't such a big deal really.





Aiyoyo, you're right. It's a really crap theory I just 'purported'. I didn't really think it through and I agree with other posters and apologise for theorising before gleaning the facts.

Sorry folks.

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Post by sijm on 08.03.12 14:09

Candyfloss.

The site for the Golf Club info is Holiday Accommodation in Praia da Luz,Algarve, Portugal.

I did not say these names were linked to this case only that it was a weird coincidence.

Mark Gasper & Carlos Ribeiro at Gramacho- Tony Bennet & BGLC Learning Centre at Alto Club

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Post by Guest on 08.03.12 14:13

@sijm wrote:Candyfloss.

The site for the Golf Club info is Holiday Accommodation in Praia da Luz,Algarve, Portugal.

I did not say these names were linked to this case only that it was a weird coincidence.

Mark Gasper & Carlos Ribeiro at Gramacho- Tony Bennet & BGLC Learning Centre at Alto Club

Ok, but can you please put up a link.

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Post by david_uk on 08.03.12 15:11

candyfloss wrote:
@david_uk wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:I think that the facts about the bag should be established before theories are made



Amen!.

First thing. When was the photo taken of the bag in the wardrobe.

What happened to the bag in the wardrobe photo after it was photographed.

Was it taken into evidence or was it left with the mccanns.

This is what we know from Mr Amaral - read the first post, and also the video from Martin Brunt below it.............

[url=http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4496-goncalo-amaral-talks-about-the-missing-sports-bag
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4496-goncalo-amaral-talks-about-the-missing-sports-bag[/quote[/url]]



Surely GA of all people really should have known what happened to the bag?!!

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Post by aiyoyo on 08.03.12 15:23

@david_uk wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
@david_uk wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:I think that the facts about the bag should be established before theories are made



Amen!.

First thing. When was the photo taken of the bag in the wardrobe.

What happened to the bag in the wardrobe photo after it was photographed.

Was it taken into evidence or was it left with the mccanns.

This is what we know from Mr Amaral - read the first post, and also the video from Martin Brunt below it.............

[url=http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4496-goncalo-amaral-talks-about-the-missing-sports-bag
http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4496-goncalo-amaral-talks-about-the-missing-sports-bag[/quote[/url]]



Surely GA of all people really should have known what happened to the bag?!!

I should hope so after all the hinting.

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