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Post  Ribisl on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:31 am

I agree with Aiyoyo. The idea of a sub is highly improbable imo for various reasons already mentioned. I too believe Madeleine must have died earlier on the 3rd, possibly while GM was still playing tennis. I agree with Stella that there wouldn't have been enough time for the body to remain in the apartment long enough for the cadaver odour to register then taken out to a hiding place, and for the team to clean the apartment and dispose of any incriminating evidence before alerting the police - if one assumes Kate found the body only when she raised alarm. It is feasible however if she died sometime after leaving the creche when she was alone with Kate and the twins.

I believe Kate was actually telling the truth when she said
1. M 'Why didn't you come last night...?'
2. They have taken her (body)

Only the timeline might have got a bit wobbly afterwards in order to fit them around their abduction theory.

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Post  Miraflores on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:53 pm

Miraflores didn't take the dogs' evidence into account - neither the impossible timeline of the 3rd. So that's why I said that.


I didn't mention it although I hadn't ignored it - I questioned the strange statement about the 'they' who had taken her. I think it's perfectly feasible that Madeleine could have died earlier that day, which would explain the cadaver odour. As to the timeline - we have precious little confirmation of what was happening after 5:30 pm - and the times before that are sketchy, so there could have been time to do a clean up.

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Post  rainbow-fairy on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:58 pm

Ribisl wrote:I agree with Aiyoyo. The idea of a sub is highly improbable imo for various reasons already mentioned. I too believe Madeleine must have died earlier on the 3rd, possibly while GM was still playing tennis. I agree with Stella that there wouldn't have been enough time for the body to remain in the apartment long enough for the cadaver odour to register then taken out to a hiding place, and for the team to clean the apartment and dispose of any incriminating evidence before alerting the police - if one assumes Kate found the body only when she raised alarm. It is feasible however if she died sometime after leaving the creche when she was alone with Kate and the twins.

I believe Kate was actually telling the truth when she said
1. M 'Why didn't you come last night...?'
2. They have taken her (body)

Only the timeline might have got a bit wobbly afterwards in order to fit them around their abduction theory.

I have to disagree on a couple of things here. Sub or no, I really don't believe that death while Gerry was playing tennis would allow any where near enough time to clear up before 'kick-off time' at ten. In between 'high tea', Gerry returning from tennis and both leaving for Tapas gives Kate, and ??? no more than three hours to clean up, get rid of incriminating cleaning materials etc etc. It was said the curtains had been washed - they'dve still been soaking wet, surely??? Bear in mind, allegedly no access to a car so it wouldve taken that much longer to get body safely away from OC and PdL (Which I am convinced it was, and long beforehand)

I don't believe Maddie asked the 'Why didn't you come...' question at any time. Its just not in a three year old's vocabulary for starters.

Does anyone know which day Kate purchased the cleaning materials at Batista Supermarket???

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Post  Miraflores on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:03 pm

It was said the curtains had been washed - they'dve still been soaking wet, surely???


I have seen the statement about the curtains being washed a number of times. Where does it come from - can anyone quote a reliable source?

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Post  tigger on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:20 pm

Miraflores wrote:
It was said the curtains had been washed - they'dve still been soaking wet, surely???


I have seen the statement about the curtains being washed a number of times. Where does it come from - can anyone quote a reliable source?


Very good point, there were washing machines in the apartments, perhaps with a drying cycle? In any case, wet curtains argue for an earlier death.

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Post  candyfloss on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:41 pm

tigger wrote:
Miraflores wrote:
It was said the curtains had been washed - they'dve still been soaking wet, surely???


I have seen the statement about the curtains being washed a number of times. Where does it come from - can anyone quote a reliable source?


Very good point, there were washing machines in the apartments, perhaps with a drying cycle? In any case, wet curtains argue for an earlier death.


Just had a quick look at news articles and found this on mccannfiles. Just past halfway down the page, an article from the Sunday Mirror, which of course has now been whooshed...............

THE inquiry turned dramatically against the McCanns when two British police sniffer dogs detected the scent of death in their holiday apartment

CURTAINS in the flat - said to have had blood on them - were washed after Madeleine's disappearance




http://www.mccannfiles.com/id29.html


Is there something in the PJ files about this?


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Post  candyfloss on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:52 pm

Curtains washed - sheets washed. Could the sheets have maybe been the curtains and knowing full well how noisy washing machines are spinning etc., and someone may have heard so we had soiled sheets? Obviously a washing machine running in 5a would have been heard by Mrs Fenn above? So could they have been taken to another apartment for washing? Just another question to throw into the mix. Need to find something conclusive that curtains were washed.

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Post  Guest on Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:10 pm

rainbow-fairy wrote:Does anyone know which day Kate purchased the cleaning materials at Batista Supermarket???


Do we have a statement about this from anyone? Can't say I remember it.

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Post  Guest on Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:17 pm

Even if the curtains went into the washer/dryer to remove blood stains, there would be now even less time on the 3rd to complete everything. Someone had to remove all of the curtain hooks, wash + dry, then put all the curtain hooks back on, to hang it back up.

Keela alerted to blood at the bottom of the curtain, where it was in contact with the floor, so they must have been washed at some point. The question is when? I cannot believe it was on the 3rd after 5.30pm.

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Post  candyfloss on Fri Mar 09, 2012 2:20 pm

Stella wrote:Even if the curtains went into the washer/dryer to remove blood stains, there would be now even less time on the 3rd to complete everything. Someone had to remove all of the curtain hooks, wash + dry, then put all the curtain hooks back on, to hang it back up.

Keela alerted to blood at the bottom of the curtain, where it was in contact with the floor, so they must have been washed at some point. The question is when? I cannot believe it was on the 3rd after 5.30pm.


It doesn't take too long to wash curtains and dry them. I have done it in 2 hours, the curtains were lined as well. They look to be of a cotton type of material so it wouldn't take long imo.

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