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Post by Cheshire Cat on 25.02.12 10:29

Gerry McCann's grumpy response to the suggestion, on the airport bus, that he should 'smile' because he was going on holiday is a possible clue that the PRIMARY purpose of the trip to the Ocean Club was not a holiday / vacation. One of the key assumptions about the stay at the Ocean Club is that it was a small group of professional friends, "The Doctors", meeting up purely for pleasure and to enjoy quality time together and with the children. This is how the story has been sold, a simple holiday.

If however, the primary purpose of the trip was to attend a business meeting with golf etc arranged for free time then it really changes how one perceives the whole case. Becaus suddenly, rather than just nine in the group, the group becomes much enlarged with the possibility of many additional social and professional relationships.

Rather than the resort being quiet, the Ocean Club records reveal, in addition to the Tapas9, that also present were several other Doctors and Medical Professionals, a number of financiars and investment analysts, software developers and other health professionals and medical specialists. The presence of Paul Weinberger may also be highly significant: working at the time for a company part owned by the UK Government and an important figure in bringing cuttting edge medical innovations to the market place.

I do not suggest anything sinister, just a fairly routine business meeting, perhaps seeking finance for the commercialisation stage of an innovative medical product.

If this was the true purpose of the trip to Praia then why would it need to be kept quiet and how would it change the publics perception about the case?

As I said above, suddenly we are looking at an enlarged group with corporate as well as personal reputations at stake due to the association with the mysterious disappearance of a three year old girl. How would it play with the UK public, if a child had disappeared during the period that many business people were in town, from all corners of the UK and also other countries? It would be even more of a PR / reputational risk nightmare than it already was!

Becasue the trip has been portrayed as a family holiday it has been possible to play on the sympathies of the UK public who can easily identify with that type of vacation.

Where does it leave the integrity of the group, if it turns out the primary purpose was not a vacation?

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Post by ufercoffy on 25.02.12 10:38

@Cheshire Cat wrote:I do not suggest anything sinister, just a fairly routine business meeting, perhaps seeking finance for the commercialisation stage of an innovative medical product.

The fake abduction certainly helped them seek finance.

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Post by tigger on 25.02.12 11:54

@ufercoffy wrote:
@Cheshire Cat wrote:I do not suggest anything sinister, just a fairly routine business meeting, perhaps seeking finance for the commercialisation stage of an innovative medical product.

The fake abduction certainly helped them seek finance.

Both can be true at the same time I think.
Imo the whole abduction fiasco was only the brainchild of the original 'players', nothing to do with the business aspect of the holiday.
I would still think that Gerry wasn't looking forward to the abduction when he said the F-word in the bus.
My reason for thinking this is that he is an absolute natural when he is the centre of attention, e.g. setting up the wider agenda, giving a speech to parliamentarians, policemen. Being listened to and being nr. one.
It seems also, from the very sudden departure of some 'expensive' people in PdL, that the abduction came as an unwelcome surprise to them and they did what they could to stay out of it.

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Post by justcurious on 25.02.12 12:43

The Macs and Tapas group, we are told, went
to Praia da Luz for a cheap all-inclusive break.





All-inclusive means flights, accommodation,
airport transfers, food, wine and beer with meals. But the inclusive flights were from Gatwick, not suitable for the
Macs and Payne’s so they bought their own flights from EMA, at extra cost
(Payne’s Police statement).





As they didn’t take the Gatwick flights
they had to pay for their own airport transfers at extra cost (Payne’s Police
statement). The package only included
meals at the Mill any meals elsewhere including the Tapas were at extra cost
(Mark Warner). Only drinks at the Mill
were included so if the group drank elsewhere it was at extra cost. The full time crèche was an extra £540, the
tennis courts were free, but the lessons were at extra cost (Mark Warner). The full range of childcare was not
available at this resort, this was known when booking but they went
anyway.





The question is why would anyone do
this? The answer is they didn’t care
about the cost, as a pharmaceutical company was paying all of the costs for all
of the Doctors and their families for a business relationship building week,
where with a nod and a wink, deals are done at a future time. This is why there
are no credit card receipts, they didn’t pay for anything.





The pharmaceutical companies, the NHS and
the BMA know this. The Politicians know this goes on, but they don’t want the
public to know the level of dishonesty
and corruption and the cover up began.


The death of Madeleine however it happened
would expose all of these elements to scrutiny and examination.

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Post by tigger on 25.02.12 12:49

You seem very well informed on the costs of the holiday - in general not what we have been told by the Tapas 9 - but a large freebie, hmm.. Pretty sure the McCanns were stony broke at the time.

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Post by Ribisl on 25.02.12 13:06

Unless I am missing something obvious, I haven't seen any evidence so far that suggests Mccanns and their friends were attending some secret business meetings in PDL. First of all they were just a bunch of ordinary doctors, in case of GM working as a surgeon within the NHS if I am not mistaken. Also why take the whole family including very young children with you to a meeting of that nature? You fly in and out solo with a briefcase. But GM booked a week's holiday with family and friends and turned up suitably dressed with a blue/black tennis bag. And he had all the time to play tennis every day, drink wine and dine with his friends. Perhaps he simply meant he wasn't going to enjoy himself as much as he might have liked to seeing all the toddlers accompanying the group, or maybe because it was a family holiday after all and not a stag party.

It's possible there was a business meeting taking place at the resort at the time but I find it difficult to believe that Mccanns and their friends took any part in it. On the other hand, if I was having a family holiday in a resort which is suddenly turned upside down overnight and becomes a hub of criminal investigation, I wouldn't think twice about leaving asap.

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Post by Cheshire Cat on 25.02.12 13:28

@Ribisl wrote:Unless I am missing something obvious, I haven't seen any evidence so far that suggests Mccanns and their friends were attending some secret business meetings in PDL. First of all they were just a bunch of ordinary doctors, in case of GM working as a surgeon within the NHS if I am not mistaken. Also why take the whole family including very young children with you to a meeting of that nature? You fly in and out solo with a briefcase. But GM booked a week's holiday with family and friends and turned up suitably dressed with a blue/black tennis bag. And he had all the time to play tennis every day, drink wine and dine with his friends. Perhaps he simply meant he wasn't going to enjoy himself as much as he might have liked to seeing all the toddlers accompanying the group, or maybe because it was a family holiday after all and not a stag party.

It's possible there was a business meeting taking place at the resort at the time but I find it difficult to believe that Mccanns and their friends took any part in it. On the other hand, if I was having a family holiday in a resort which is suddenly turned upside down overnight and becomes a hub of criminal investigation, I wouldn't think twice about leaving asap.

You have described a paricular type of business meeting but I am thinking more of a networking / brainstorming type of session. A blend of social with business, to facilitate networking and business relationships. Research and Development scientists and innovators thrive in a more informal setting - gets the creative juices going. Ideal venue, the Ocean Club with conference facilities for circa 80 people. Out of main season as well.

By the way, Gerry McCann is an expert in his field of medicine. Leads award winning teams, and speaks at important conferences. Clever bloke.

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Post by Cheshire Cat on 25.02.12 13:31

@justcurious wrote:The Macs and Tapas group, we are told, went
to Praia da Luz for a cheap all-inclusive break.





All-inclusive means flights, accommodation,
airport transfers, food, wine and beer with meals. But the inclusive flights were from Gatwick, not suitable for the
Macs and Payne’s so they bought their own flights from EMA, at extra cost
(Payne’s Police statement).





As they didn’t take the Gatwick flights
they had to pay for their own airport transfers at extra cost (Payne’s Police
statement). The package only included
meals at the Mill any meals elsewhere including the Tapas were at extra cost
(Mark Warner). Only drinks at the Mill
were included so if the group drank elsewhere it was at extra cost. The full time crèche was an extra £540, the
tennis courts were free, but the lessons were at extra cost (Mark Warner). The full range of childcare was not
available at this resort, this was known when booking but they went
anyway.





The question is why would anyone do
this? The answer is they didn’t care
about the cost, as a pharmaceutical company was paying all of the costs for all
of the Doctors and their families for a business relationship building week,
where with a nod and a wink, deals are done at a future time. This is why there
are no credit card receipts, they didn’t pay for anything.





The pharmaceutical companies, the NHS and
the BMA know this. The Politicians know this goes on, but they don’t want the
public to know the level of dishonesty
and corruption and the cover up began.


The death of Madeleine however it happened
would expose all of these elements to scrutiny and examination.

I must say that this sounds very plausible Those Government rules regarding the acceptance of freebies from industry are very strict. And of course all the anti-corruption legislation. What I like about you suggestion is that it doesn't involve any wacko conspiracy theories. Just dull reality. Would certainly explain the willingness of John McCanns employer to grant him a career break.

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Post by Ribisl on 25.02.12 14:12

@Cheshire Cat wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:Unless I am missing something obvious, I haven't seen any evidence so far that suggests Mccanns and their friends were attending some secret business meetings in PDL. First of all they were just a bunch of ordinary doctors, in case of GM working as a surgeon within the NHS if I am not mistaken. Also why take the whole family including very young children with you to a meeting of that nature? You fly in and out solo with a briefcase. But GM booked a week's holiday with family and friends and turned up suitably dressed with a blue/black tennis bag. And he had all the time to play tennis every day, drink wine and dine with his friends. Perhaps he simply meant he wasn't going to enjoy himself as much as he might have liked to seeing all the toddlers accompanying the group, or maybe because it was a family holiday after all and not a stag party.

It's possible there was a business meeting taking place at the resort at the time but I find it difficult to believe that Mccanns and their friends took any part in it. On the other hand, if I was having a family holiday in a resort which is suddenly turned upside down overnight and becomes a hub of criminal investigation, I wouldn't think twice about leaving asap.

You have described a paricular type of business meeting but I am thinking more of a networking / brainstorming type of session. A blend of social with business, to facilitate networking and business relationships. Research and Development scientists and innovators thrive in a more informal setting - gets the creative juices going. Ideal venue, the Ocean Club with conference facilities for circa 80 people. Out of main season as well.

By the way, Gerry McCann is an expert in his field of medicine. Leads award winning teams, and speaks at important conferences. Clever bloke.

I take your point about Gerry - didn't know. And I agree it was very early in the season for a summer holiday, particularly for the toddlers. But if it was a networking type of gathering, why were they dining amongst themselves every night? The point of a networking event is meeting people you don't otherwise come into contact with face to face so why not dine with different groups, play tennis with different partners? I have been to a number of conferences, some not formal at all, but there is always an organiser who would arrange at least one dinner and party for everybody attending, usually on the penultimate evening. When were they due to leave?

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How do you know these trips were paid for by 'a pharmaceutical company'? Do you know which company?

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Post by Cheshire Cat on 25.02.12 14:24

@Ribisl wrote:
@Cheshire Cat wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:Unless I am missing something obvious, I haven't seen any evidence so far that suggests Mccanns and their friends were attending some secret business meetings in PDL. First of all they were just a bunch of ordinary doctors, in case of GM working as a surgeon within the NHS if I am not mistaken. Also why take the whole family including very young children with you to a meeting of that nature? You fly in and out solo with a briefcase. But GM booked a week's holiday with family and friends and turned up suitably dressed with a blue/black tennis bag. And he had all the time to play tennis every day, drink wine and dine with his friends. Perhaps he simply meant he wasn't going to enjoy himself as much as he might have liked to seeing all the toddlers accompanying the group, or maybe because it was a family holiday after all and not a stag party.

It's possible there was a business meeting taking place at the resort at the time but I find it difficult to believe that Mccanns and their friends took any part in it. On the other hand, if I was having a family holiday in a resort which is suddenly turned upside down overnight and becomes a hub of criminal investigation, I wouldn't think twice about leaving asap.

You have described a paricular type of business meeting but I am thinking more of a networking / brainstorming type of session. A blend of social with business, to facilitate networking and business relationships. Research and Development scientists and innovators thrive in a more informal setting - gets the creative juices going. Ideal venue, the Ocean Club with conference facilities for circa 80 people. Out of main season as well.

By the way, Gerry McCann is an expert in his field of medicine. Leads award winning teams, and speaks at important conferences. Clever bloke.

I take your point about Gerry - didn't know. And I agree it was very early in the season for a summer holiday, particularly for the toddlers. But if it was a networking type of gathering, why were they dining amongst themselves every night? The point of a networking event is meeting people you don't otherwise come into contact with face to face so why not dine with different groups, play tennis with different partners? I have been to a number of conferences, some not formal at all, but there is always an organiser who would arrange at least one dinner and party for everybody attending, usually on the penultimate evening. When were they due to leave?


Gerry played Tennis with Julian Totman I believe. I would imagine the golf/tennis would be laid on for networking, not so much the evening meals. You mean a 'Gala dinner'? Don't know.

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Post by tigger on 25.02.12 14:28

Golf for networking, now you mention it. Very common.
Now I'm thinking why would BK meet with Murat at a golf club? (I know that was November 07 - but even so)
Was this a golf club near PdL? There are quite a few.
Makes a lot of sense.

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Post by russiandoll on 25.02.12 17:47

By the way, Gerry McCann is an expert in his field of medicine. Leads award winning teams, and speaks at important conferences. Clever bloke.

above comes from a recent post.
clever in his field, but generally not as clever as he thinks hopefully. btw someone said he was a heart surgeon, i believe he is a physician in the field of cardiology.

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Post by Ribisl on 25.02.12 19:16

Sorry but I am far from convinced that they were in PDL for networking. I assume some of you are talking about human radio frequency identification chips implanted under the skin in your hand. The technology already exists and there are many human guinea pigs wearing the device. I just cannot see the connection between such application and a cardiologist from Leeds. There are many scientists researching the technology further and there are companies trying to develop business out of it. But Gerry Mccann??

I asked justcurious before but if you have some proof that their expenses were paid for by a pharmaceutical company I would very much like to see it.

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Post by Cheshire Cat on 25.02.12 20:07

@Ribisl wrote:Sorry but I am far from convinced that they were in PDL for networking. I assume some of you are talking about human radio frequency identification chips implanted under the skin in your hand. The technology already exists and there are many human guinea pigs wearing the device. I just cannot see the connection between such application and a cardiologist from Leeds. There are many scientists researching the technology further and there are companies trying to develop business out of it. But Gerry Mccann??

I asked justcurious before but if you have some proof that their expenses were paid for by a pharmaceutical company I would very much like to see it.

No, not that sort of networking. Building business relationships sort of networking. Gerry may have been there in his capacity as a Cardiologist / Magnetic Resonance Imaging specialist. Nothing sinister, no Masonic chip implementation programmes, most likely to be some type of cardio vascular diagnostic innovation. I don't think the particular product / technology is that relevant.

More relevant is that it may have been a healthcare related business event and perhaps, according to justcurious, funded by a pharmaceutical company. The big pharmaceutical companies have, in the past, been very generous with their corporate hospitality. Things have been tightened up in the last year or two.

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@Cheshire Cat wrote:
@Ribisl wrote:Sorry but I am far from convinced that they were in PDL for networking. I assume some of you are talking about human radio frequency identification chips implanted under the skin in your hand. The technology already exists and there are many human guinea pigs wearing the device. I just cannot see the connection between such application and a cardiologist from Leeds. There are many scientists researching the technology further and there are companies trying to develop business out of it. But Gerry Mccann??

I asked justcurious before but if you have some proof that their expenses were paid for by a pharmaceutical company I would very much like to see it.

No, not that sort of networking. Building business relationships sort of networking. Gerry may have been there in his capacity as a Cardiologist / Magnetic Resonance Imaging specialist. Nothing sinister, no Masonic chip implementation programmes, most likely to be some type of cardio vascular diagnostic innovation. I don't think the particular product / technology is that relevant.

More relevant is that it may have been a healthcare related business event and perhaps, according to justcurious, funded by a pharmaceutical company. The big pharmaceutical companies have, in the past, been very generous with their corporate hospitality. Things have been tightened up in the last year or two.


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Post by Spaniel on 25.02.12 20:25

Don't know about pharma holidays, but Drs do go on learning jaunts abroad. Skiing in winter and med in autumn. The company "Doctors Updates" is also an agent for Mark Warner. The closest I've traced them has been Portugal but not PdL.

I'm surprised to see they are still doing them as cuts in funding have been severe. I think the flaw is the sheer number of kids there, so I doubt a conference.

I still wonder if she dragged him there to look at holiday properties, his attitude on the bus was typical of a man being cajoled into spending money. As for them being broke, just because they took out two payments for mortgage might make them plain greedy rather than poor. A sense of entitlement even. Remember how indignant G was that he couldn't access more for legal bills. I think Esther was keeping a lid on it back then, she had too much to lose.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-513349/NHS-doctors-hit-slopes-education-course-cost-taxpayer-400-000.html

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Post by Badboys on 25.02.12 20:33

Perhaps slightly off topic,there was a business meeting where mark warner were discussing buying ocean club.

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Was it really a jolly paid for by the pharmaceutical industry?

Post by Cheshire Cat on 25.02.12 22:53

The Bribery Act and the Pharmaceutical Industry: Is Big Pharma in big trouble?

In a recent article that appeared in the Independent on Sunday, Brian Brady and Jonathan Owen highlighted that the Bribery Act could restrict, if not bring to an end, the lavish hospitality offered by the pharmaceutical industry to healthcare staff, who influence how the UK’s annual National Health Service (“NHS”) drugs budget of £12 billion is spent. While, unsurprisingly, the relevant NHS staff insist that they are not swayed by hospitality, the reality is that drugs companies would not spend the billions that they do worldwide if they did not expect to see some return on their ‘investment’.

http://www.briberylibrary.com/gifts-hospitality/the-bribery-act-and-the-pharamaceutical-industry-is-big-pharma-in-big-trouble/

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Post by Cheshire Cat on 26.02.12 8:03

[quote="Cheshire Cat"]The Bribery Act and the Pharmaceutical Industry: Is Big Pharma in big trouble?

In a recent article that appeared in the Independent on Sunday, Brian Brady and Jonathan Owen highlighted that the Bribery Act could restrict, if not bring to an end, the lavish hospitality offered by the pharmaceutical industry to healthcare staff, who influence how the UK’s annual National Health Service (“NHS”) drugs budget of £12 billion is spent. While, unsurprisingly, the relevant NHS staff insist that they are not swayed by hospitality, the reality is that drugs companies would not spend the billions that they do worldwide if they did not expect to see some return on their ‘investment’.

http://www.briberylibrary.com/gifts-hospitality/the-bribery-act-and-the-pharamaceutical-industry-is-big-pharma-in-big-trouble/[/quote]

The above is interesting whe you consider that there were more NHS staff at the Ocean Club than just the Tapas 9. Also there were several other Dr's, a paramedic as well as Paul Weinberger of Enigma Diagnostics (part owned by UK Government). Weinberger is a standing member of the National Institue of Clinical Excellence (NICE) Diagnostics Advisory Committee: http://uk.linkedin.com/in/pauljeromeweinberger

There were also two staff from Pfizer at the Ocean club according to the records. One of whom was the Head Of UK Communications. Interesting because Pfizer are one of the companies highlighted for "Lavish Hospitality" in the Independent article: "Big drug firms have spent millions of pounds on bankrolling events and trips for NHS staff, an
Independent on Sunday investigation of trust records has revealed. The catalogue of freebies includes Pfizer providing hospitality to dozens of doctors attending a meeting at the five-star Gleneagles hotel resort in Scotland, and a dinner meeting between three Eli Lilly staff and two nurses at which 22 alcoholic drinks were consumed."

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/drugs-firms-lavished-millions-on-freebies-for-nhs-staff-2306006.html

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Post by aquila on 26.02.12 8:13

I imagine SY have the power to look at the receipts for the TM holiday, how and when every element of the holiday was paid for and who paid. Now that would be very interesting. If TM are all shown to be squeaky clean there will be no problem. If not, I doubt whether this will see the light of day as that would throw a very large cat among the pigeons.

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Post by tigger on 26.02.12 9:32

Cheshire Cat:

Seeing this mention of Eli Lilly - years ago I knew a doctor who worked for them, she was well trained in physics and statistics. She told me the trials run for the drug companies weren't worth the paper they were written on.

Call to mind also the case of the drug trials some 10 years ago? Where most of the guinea pigs fell very ill, got compensations, never mentioned again in the press. You've got something there for a start. It was not widely reported that most of these 'patients' had already taken part in and been paid well, for other drug trials which would totally invalidate any result. They had simply lied about it on the application.

If I were only concerned with the money to be made from a new project (say microchipping) which involved nanotechnology which could influence the mental or physical state of a patient, I'd make sure that I'd get the results I wanted from any trial.

Not entirely on topic, but I'm now reminded of the 'cocktail' inoculation for babies, which was reported to be the cause of various ailments and perhaps even autism. This was about the time that baby Leo Blair should have had this injection. Blair championed the safety of the cocktail but refused to say whether his own child had been given the 'cocktail'. In political circles, this usually means 'No'.
So which particular drug company stood to lose money?


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Post by Cheshire Cat on 26.02.12 9:41

@aquila wrote:I imagine SY have the power to look at the receipts for the TM holiday, how and when every element of the holiday was paid for and who paid. Now that would be very interesting. If TM are all shown to be squeaky clean there will be no problem. If not, I doubt whether this will see the light of day as that would throw a very large cat among the pigeons.

If the NHS staff (Tapas9 and others) were paid for by a pharmaceutical company and the whole thing was primarily a jolly rather than family holiday then we see a reason for the initial cover-up because of the reputations involved:

Key corporate and professional reputations at stake include NHS, pharmaceutical company, Weinberger. Therefore a logical step would be to engage risk control specialists.

If the holiday is 're-framed' and we consider it from the perspective of a jolly arranged by pharmaceutical 'big boys' then there are some important points to consider:

- Would not have played well in the press. Even more of a PR disaster.

- Massive help would have been available to the Tapas9 from the word go

- The argument that 'we were just a group of holiday makers in a strange country - how could we have covered it up?' is weakened.

My view is that SY already know all this and this is why they are having to perpetuate the cover-up.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 26.02.12 10:12

It could certainly explain why there are seemingly no 'holiday' photographs?

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Re: A business meeting or a vacation?

Post by tigger on 26.02.12 10:35

@Cheshire Cat wrote:
@aquila wrote:I imagine SY have the power to look at the receipts for the TM holiday, how and when every element of the holiday was paid for and who paid. Now that would be very interesting. If TM are all shown to be squeaky clean there will be no problem. If not, I doubt whether this will see the light of day as that would throw a very large cat among the pigeons.

If the NHS staff (Tapas9 and others) were paid for by a pharmaceutical company and the whole thing was primarily a jolly rather than family holiday then we see a reason for the initial cover-up because of the reputations involved:

Key corporate and professional reputations at stake include NHS, pharmaceutical company, Weinberger. Therefore a logical step would be to engage risk control specialists.

If the holiday is 're-framed' and we consider it from the perspective of a jolly arranged by pharmaceutical 'big boys' then there are some important points to consider:

- Would not have played well in the press. Even more of a PR disaster.

- Massive help would have been available to the Tapas9 from the word go

- The argument that 'we were just a group of holiday makers in a strange country - how could we have covered it up?' is weakened.

My view is that SY already know all this and this is why they are having to perpetuate the cover-up.

That really imo isn't enough to set the whole machine in motion. If that was the case, whichever way Madeleine died, could have been managed by the same 'powerful' people who allegedly have been involved in the 'cover up'.
It doesn't address the non essential element in the week: the 'abduction' .
If Madeleine died by accident and the pharmaceutical 'meeting' or 'jolly' had to be kept from the press, I would have thought that the same powers who did all the cover up, could just as easily have turned this into an unfortunate accident of a child which would never get into the papers. No PM, or results of PM to be adjusted. A lot less trouble than what actually happened.

The abduction was planned imo and was not directly related to the 'jolly' - if there was one. I favour an informal meeting. For a 'jolly' I'd expect some doctors with influence (eg. on the board of hospitals) and a much better venue - children could easily stay with relatives. Definitely something more in the skiing resort/ Gleneagles range.

The McCanns phoned the press.
The abduction wasn't remotely believable.
The Fund was ready to receive money in days.
The Fund was totally unnecessary for the search.
There was too much preparation beforehand.
There was most probably a substitute child instead of Maddie.

This has the footprints of selfish people with ambitions all over it, imo.




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A business meeting or a vacation

Post by bobbin on 26.02.12 13:21

I think it's a toss up between a pre-planned abduction (for child tagging political purposes) and /or drug trial on children, where something went wrong and the abduction fairy tale had to be quickly concocted or was just botched, to explain what is very clearly one of the biggest and fishiest covers up in recent times.

Which drug company did John McCann work for? Funny how he could take time out ?unpaid? for so long. How did he manage to provide for his wife and children in that time? Who does he work for now? I believe he has changed drug companies.

Drug companies would not want any negative attention if a new drug were being trialled, lets say, for the sake of argument, on children, to help them to go to sleep. Or, as the McCanns themselves have claimed that paedophiles (even a gang of them) were involved, drugs to make children compliant?

The press, public and a new trade in anti-pharmaceutical-litigation-lawyers, is turning against the former ‘strangle-hold’ that the drug companies once had, where they could just cover up and settle out of court in return for ‘silence or else’.

Merck’s blockbuster drug, ‘Vioxx’ a pain-killer was withdrawn: It had been promoted as an aid to statin drugs, the next huge money spinners, to reduce the pains caused by statins (anti-cholesterol drugs) that caused heart failure and thousands of deaths.

Merck’s claim was that statins would protect people from having heart attacks (more about the lethal effect of statins and grapefruit/bergamottins, on ‘the healthy eating thread’ later). In a landmark trial, taken all the way to court, Merck lost the case and had to pay out millions of dollars. (1)

Having lost their big-time money earner, and having paid out millions, they then developed the new money spinner, ‘Gardasil’ (2) to protect females against a papilloma virus. Issued to hundreds of thousands of young teenage girls, a serious number have died, and many more have suffered serious damaging side effects and reactions.

Gardasil can (?is it even intended to?) sterilise girls. Mothers, believing their daughters are being protected against a non-lethal virus could in fact, unwittingly, be aiding their daughters to become childless, same as the ‘tween 80, (polysorbate 80) abortificant added to some of the ‘swine flu’ vaccines that were forced on many because the World Health Organisation declared it an international pandemic (after it had escaped from a lab where it had fortuitously been patented some 3 years before the flu emerged).

Having saturated the ‘adult’ market, losing patents which are expiring, being forced to remove certain drugs, and facing payouts for enormous damage claims, the pharmaceutical industry (financially wounded) is looking to expand/ regain its market in the
‘juvenile / young child’ market. Drug testing on juveniles is not permitted, however….. drugs must be tested, so how can these mutually exclusive conditions be met.

The military, the mentally infirm, those incarcerated or in institutions, third world volunteers (or not-volunteers in many cases), those prepared to receive the king’s shilling, serve as trial fodder, often without their knowing. Kindly rich benefactors such as Bill Gates, support generous vaccines to millions in the third world, to protect them from ?what?, pneumonia is it? Yes that must be a real problem commonly suffered by a lot of third world people, second only to war, drought and famine, especially in hot climes.

The stories go on and on. It is colossal. The finance and ‘anti-humanitarian ‘ acts involved are just simply enormous (3). We all know it. They know we all know it. It will carry on until suddenly, as with all things, the backlash will come and that will be as equally enormous.

Look at the cigarette industry. Could we ever have believed that something so huge, so entrenched, so accepted as an unquestioned part of everyday life, would suddenly become so ‘not there any more’.

What is the connection with all of this and the McCanns. Well possibly none at all, but, with so many doctors in one place, with their IVF or not, children of a young age, the fact that Goncalo Amaral speaks of drugs being found in Maddie till her last days, could suggest some ‘smoke and fire’, which could need a substantial and subsequent cover up. AIMO of course.


References if needed:
(1) http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9R60O8O0.htm (Merck payout)
(2) http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/01/24/hpv-vaccine-victim-sues-merck.aspx?e_cid=20120124_DNL_art_1 (Merck’s gardasil)
(3) http://www.naturalnews.com/001969.html
(4)http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/12/06/lipitor_vioxx_discovering_the_statin_painkiller_chain_reaction.htm

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