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Robert Jay, QC: Unless the Prime Minister ordered the review by the Metropolitan Police, the Sun would put the Home Secretary, Theresa May, on the front page until the Sun's demands were met?...João Tavares, PJ: "For each lead that was explored to no avail, the closer we have come to the truth"...Kate McCann: “Adam Tudor and his colleague Isabel Hudson (Carter-Ruck) continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly behind the scenes”......McCann's libel lawyer, Isabel Duarte: “Every one of the books sold will increase the amount of damages that we will be seeking from Gonçalo Amaral.”.......McCann's lawyer, Edward Smethurst: “We are currently demanding €1.2 million in damages, but we are reserving the right to increase this value as soon as we can ascertain what profits have been generated from the sale of this book”......Gonçalo Amaral: "For the McCanns to ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the prosecutor...it costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."....The McCann's libel lawyer, Isabel Duarte, has finally complied with the superior court ruling to return Gonçalo Amaral's books.....The McCann couple or their Tapas friends could force the reopening of the process if they would do the reconstruction....In 2007 British Ambassador Alexander W. Ellis admitted that the British Police had developed evidence against Kate and Gerry McCann.....Assistant Chief Constable for Leicestershire police: “While one or both of the McCanns may be innocent there is no clear evidence that eliminates them from involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.”....Carter-Ruck's costs in the case of McCanns v Bennett exceed £120,000 already.....Quote of the day in this multi-million pound review that has, so far, taken a year - DCI Andy Redwood: “We are working on the basis of two possibilities here: one is that Madeleine is still alive; and the second that she is sadly dead"...Portuguese and Spanish Police claim the news about the latest timely Maddie 'sighting' in Spain is completely false.....Martin Brunt: "I guess we can expect more of this (new 'sighting' in Spain) as the fifth anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance approaches."...British police confident of breakthrough as fifth anniversary of Maddie's disappearance looms.......Francisco Moita Flores: "Scotland Yard has made another two million pounds available to search for Maddie McCann"....Gonçalo Amaral: "Elements from the Scotland Yard have been working with an investigative PJ team from Oporto, and what is known is that the “affair” is not going well for the McCanns.".....Scotland Yard dismisses work done by the private agency “Método” 3 hired by the McCann couple.....Gonçalo Amaral: "There is going to be news in the upcoming days...At the end of all this someone will reimburse me for all the wicked actions taken against me...then I will tell the rest."........Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: "If you were Portuguese, this would be enough to put you in prison.".....Gonçalo Amaral: “This litigation will carry a heavy price – but I have faith that the mystery will be resolved. Even if I “disappear” in the process - as Kate McCann has written that she wishes I would in her book - I have a daughter and lots of friends who will make sure justice is done”...Lady Margaret Hodge's nephew, Philip Edmonds, claimed that on 3 May 2007 Madeleine was captured on a photo, together with his three boys. Despite the immense value this might have had in settling arguments about Madeleine's movements on 3 May, neither he nor the McCanns ever produced it....Martin Grime: "Not all the alert signals have been investigated by the appropriate agencies in order to provide forensic comparations, in spite of indications to the contrary.".....British criminal profiler NPIA, Lee Rainbow: "Madeleine's father was the last one to see her alive. The family is a lead that should be followed. Contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide."...Martin Brunt, Crime Correspondent: "The crucial part of the evidence appears to be a complete match of Madeleine's DNA in the boot of the hire car"...Inspector Ricardo Paiva: "It was Scotland Yard who first thought it could be a murder case."......Inspector Steve Bentley, NSY: "You state that you have a first hand information from an insider from the McCann's private investigators. This information would obviously be of interest to the team and they would welcome details of this individual...".......Gonçalo Amaral: "I would be willing to fly to London to speak with officers doing the review to assist them."....Philomena McCann: "Gordon Brown set things in motion at the start.".....Molly: "There is no evidence of a break-in yet the couple are still free to tell the world that there was one and they can do this unchallenged.".....Gerry McCann: "I think certainly there's been remarkably few child abductions since Madeleine was taken and I think people are more aware.".....Kate and Gerry McCann urge Prime Minister to save 'no win, no fee' for libel cases......Brian Kennedy, the McCanns multi-millionaire benefactor, pledged on his website to meet ALL the growing costs of 'Team McCann', so why do Kate and Gerry keep appealing to the public for donations?....Cadaver dogs used in Suzanne Pilley murder probe ... Gilroy found guilty despite no body, no murder weapon and no forensic evidence.....Portuguese Judge orders McCanns to immediately return Gonçalo Amaral's books so they may be sold......Gonçalo Amaral: "The key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, on the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started.".....Gonçalo Amaral: "The British priest staged everything."....Hugging Maddie's treasured Cuddle Cat after she washed it, anguished Kate McCann told Rachael Bletchly of The People on 5 August 2007 that she could no longer smell her daughter's scent on the toy.

.........................................................................................................................................................................................B Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?   *   Barbara Nottage: "How did the alleged abductor snatch Madeleine in a time slot of no more than 3-4 Minutes?   *  Why did Kate McCann tell the Leveson Inquiry, under oath, that no bodily fluids were found in their hire car?   *  Why did Gerry McCann tell the Leveson Inquiry, under oath, that he strongly believes in freedom of speech and doesn't have a problem with anybody purporting a theory when he is instructing Carter-Ruck to take legal action to silence those who purport a theory based on the official Portuguese police files?   *  When referring to Robert Murat's arguido status why does Kate McCann state in her book that his 'formal status meant he would officially be treated as a suspect in the crime' but at the Leveson Inquiry the McCanns refer to their own arguido status, under oath, as merely meaning 'persons of interest'?     *    Why did Kate McCann take Maddie's Cuddle Cat toy to work and place it in contact with 6 dead bodies before taking it on holiday?  * Why don't the McCanns advertise on their website or Facebook page that they have a £2.6 million pound reward for the safe return of Maddie?   *   Why did the McCanns allow the investigation to be shelved then complain that no police force is looking for Maddie?  *  Why hasn't Dr David Payne or Dr Gerry McCann sued Dr Katherina Gaspar for suggesting in her statement to the police that they are paedophiles? * Why has Gerry McCann got a registration number of 19309 in the child abuse CATS system?   *   Why won't the McCanns write to the Portuguese Prosecutor to reopen the process when all it will cost them, according to Gonçalo Amaral, is the stamp on the letter?   *  Why did the McCanns lie about Maddie's coloboma for 4 years?    *    Why is the date 2006 seen on Maddie's Online Shop when she disappeared in 2007?    *    Why did Gerry McCann say, on the airport bus, that he wasn't in Portugal to enjoy himself?   *    Maddie's Fund was created just 7 full working days after she 'disappeared' - how did the McCanns know so early on that she wouldn't be found soon?   *   Why does the Leicester police website link to the McCanns Fraudulent Fund when they are still uncleared prime suspects in hiding their daughters dead body?   *  Why did Maddie's pink blanket and Gerry's blue tennis bag disappear after the PJ photographed them?   *   Why did the McCanns wash the curtains behind the sofa in the holiday apartment when they'd only been there for a week? * Why did the McCanns delete all their text messages and phone records the night Maddie disappeared?  *  Eddie barks to alert to cadaver and Keela freezes at the source of blood - what are the chances of two separate, highly-trained, independent working dogs both alerting to the exact same area, and both of them being wrong?   *  If the McCanns claim they never called their daughter Maddie why did they allow the name Maddie to be printed on the inflatable billboard that they had transported from Scotland to Praia da Luz that advertised the £1.5 million reward?   *  McCanns P.I. Kevin Halligen squandered £500,000 of the Fund money on high living and, although he's currently in prison for unrelated $2million fraud charges, why didn't the McCanns sue him?  *  If Kate McCann was "certain" Maddie had been "murdered" (page 296, para 3 of her Carter-Ruck approved book) surely that means the whole issue of fundraising has been a massive lie?    *   Why did Rachael Oldfield say in her Rogatory Interview: "If Madeleine had accidentally been bumped on the head" rather than "If Madeleine had accidentally bumped her head" before going on to say that there were plenty of people there who could have tried to revive a child?   *   Why did the McCanns keep dirty nappies and rotting meat in the boot of their hire car and does that mean that the dogs' alerts behind the sofa and in the wardrobe in their holiday apartment aswell as outside on the verandah and in the flower bed were also dirty nappies and rotting meat?.......Why did the McCanns pay £37,000 for the FindMadeleine.com website?   * How did a corrupt police officer like Antonio Giménez Raso, currently in prison for fraud, end up working as a lead investigator for the McCanns?.....Why did Philomena McCann tell Martin Brunt that Kate McCann was going to be charged with Madeleine's accidental death if Madeleine was abducted?............................................................   

.....................................................................................................................................Martin Brunt: "There are 30 Met officers - the equivalent of a murder squad - working on the review and I'm told that a senior officer is having to give regular spending updates to the Home Office which is funding an operation that will cost several million and last many months."....Gonçalo Amaral: "The English can always present the conclusions to which they themselves arrived in 2007. Because they know, they have the evidence of what happened - they don't need to investigate anything. All this is now a mere 'show off'.....Manuel Catriano: "This story did not begin in the Ocean Club, but in London where the 'official truth' was conspired and established: an English girl was kidnapped in the Algarve."....Gonçalo Amaral: "Dr Katherina Gaspar witnesses a scene with David Payne and Gerry McCann which flabbergasts her and makes her fear for the safety of her daughter and the other children"....Gonçalo Amaral: " I have understood their game. The McCanns knew that I was going to catch them. So the game is always the same. We want to catch them, they want to escape, and that's it. Sometimes the bandits win, sometimes the policemen do."....Gonçalo Amaral: "Under the old Penal Process, how do I ask Kate: "Are you lying when you say you didn't touch the window? As a matter of fact, it was you who opened the window. We have material evidence of that. A question like this forces the constitution of arguido...".....Tony Bennett: "The Madeleine Foundation has now sent a 32-page letter and a bundle of supporting evidence to the Scotland Yard 'Maddie Case' Review Team".............Gonçalo Amaral: "The little girl died in the apartment. Everything is in the book, which is faithful to the investigation until September: it reflects the understanding of the Portuguese and the English police and of the Public Ministry. For all of us until then the concealment of the cadaver, the simulation of abduction and the exposure or abandonment were proved."...Gonçalo Amaral: "For the McCanns to ask for the process to be reopened, all it would take is a letter to the prosecutor...it costs them nothing, just the stamp on the letter."...Gonçalo Amaral: "The investigation will be concluded, it will be reopened and it will be taken to an end; and justice will be made, that is all that we want."...Gonçalo Amaral: "There are hundreds of indications, clues regarding a certain event; and it is that event that some people do not accept and want to conceal."...Kate Healy was not immediately made an arguida, but merely interviewed voluntarily as a witness. Only after her interview was she made an arguida, that is, after she was confronted with concrete facts that might lead to her incrimination."...Gonçalo Amaral: "If the McCanns admit that their daughter is dead, they can no longer collect money from the Maddie fund, and that's a lot of money, over one million pounds. That's why they say that the girl was abducted."...Kate McCann: "This pair (Carter Ruck lawyers) continue to do a vast amount of work for us, without payment, most of it quietly behind the scenes."...Gonçalo Amaral: "Nowadays I have no doubts left, the archival for various reasons, was mainly due to political pressures made by the English - I have no doubts about that."...Gonçalo Amaral: "I remind you that they demanded the archiving of the process, in 2008, when they were arguidos, merely to defend their image. They are not interested in the reopening of the process or of the investigation"...Gonçalo Amaral: "It's too big and too serious a burden to be concealed by so many people for their entire lives."...Gonçalo Amaral: "Let's remember it is totally logical to find Madeleine's DNA in the home, but absolutely not in a car rented more than twenty days after her disappearance."...Tony Bennett: "The question is: exactly what is it about Madeleine's disappearance that caused such a massive level of government activity, including MI5 and secret service type groups like Control Risks Group, to become involved, and so quickly and in such large numbers? Was it to help find a missing child? Or to locate an abductor?...Martin Grime: "My professional opinion as regards to the EVRD's alert indications is that it is suggestive that this is 'cadaver scent' contaminant."...Gonçalo Amaral: "If the body had been buried there would have been mummification. The fact that there were fluids points to refrigeration."...Dr Vernon Coleman: "Would you hire the McCanns as babysitters?"...Gonçalo Amaral: "there were gestures and words indicating the existence of a child molester within that group of people"...Jose Barra da Costa, PJ: "There are people who guarantee that this is a couple who practice 'swinging' - i.e. sexual relationships between couples and then changing partners, and that this practice would allow in this type of..."...Justine McGuiness: "We were a bit naughty because we did have messages coming out of the police station which we weren't supposed to..."...C443 J.N. HUGHES: Background Information- Gerald McCANN - A search of the local section of the child abuse shows a registration number 19309 in the CATS system....Dr Katherina Gaspar: "I remember Dave telling Gerry something like “she”, referring to Madeleine, “would do this”.. While he mentioned the word 'this', David was doing the action of sucking one of his fingers, pushing it in and out of his mouth, while with his other hand he was doing a circle around his nipple. I remember being shocked by that."...Sofia Leal: “My husband and I have never abandoned our daughters, or allowed paedophiles in our circle of friends. I am shocked that a couple who affirm to be religious is seeking out to destroy our family”...Gerry McCann: "There's no evidence that Madeleine is dead and there's no evidence to implicate us in her death"...

....................................................Why do the McCanns tell blatant lies and change their stories then threaten to sue those who question them?  *  Why did Gerry McCann say in his original statement that he used the front door with a key, then changed it in his second statement to the patio door which was unlocked?   *  Why did the McCanns transport rotting meat and dirty nappies to the tip in their car when there were bins nearby?  *  Why did the dogs only signal at the McCanns apartment, clothes and car?     *   Why didn't Kate have the twins checked if she thought they'd been sedated by the abductor?   *   Why did the McCanns tell the media the PJ had offered them a deal when the PJ can't offer deals?  *   Why were old photographs of Maddie released first when Kate had the latest photo on her camara?   *     Why was the Fund named after a police manual? * Why did Kate say the window had been jemmied when it hadn't?   * Why were the only fingerprints on the window found to be Kates? * Why did the McCanns make excuses for the cadaver scent and bodily fluids found in their hire car? *  Just what was Robert Murat's role in the Madeleine McCann disappearance? * John McCann gave up his job to be a director of the Fund - how did he know Maddie wouldn't be found that day? * Why did Clarence Mitchell give up a well paid job and pension to take up a PR job that might only last a few days? * Just how many false names are the McCanns allowing on their petition? *  Who torched Sergei Malinka's car? * Who killed Goncalo Amaral's dog? * Why did our government try to make the McCanns Fund into a charity? * What did Maddie's disappearance have to do with The Chancellor, Gordon Brown? * Why did the McCanns claim to be devout catholics when Kate's mother said they weren't? * Why did the McCanns allow the sabotage of the crime scene? * Why did the McCanns refuse to co-operate with the investigation? * Why did Kate refuse to answer 48 questions that may have helped find Maddie? * Why did the McCanns refuse to take part in an official police reconstruction but then made a tv documentary? *  Will other children, like Shannon Matthews, be at risk of copycat faked abductions?   *
.......................................Gerry McCann: "Find the body and prove we killed her"....David Payne: "We have a pact. This is our matter only. It is nobody else's business"...David Payne: “We know they didn’t do it. One of our party saw Madeleine being abducted. We were waiting for something to happen but didn't in our worst nightmare think it would be this."...Clarence Mitchell: "There is a wholly innocent explanation for any material the police may or may not have found"...Clarence Mitchell: "Kate and Gerry are not responsible for Madeleine`s death"...Clarence Mitchell: "What goes on the internet has not been sanctioned by Kate and Gerry."...Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa: "There is one piece of stand alone evidence."...Michael Wright: "I noted some disagreeable smells on a number of occasions which I judged to have come from the twins’ nappies. I have no knowledge of anything spilling from any article nor of any cleaning of the car after such a hypothetical spill."...Eileen McCann: "If someone lifted her out of bed Madeleine would have screamed the place down. That girl could throw a tantrum if she wanted to"...Clarence Mitchell: “Anybody who has given money to help find Madeleine need have no fear that their money is being spent on lawyers fees or anything like that.”...Clarence Mitchell: "Just put money into an envelope and send it to Kate and Gerry McCann, Rothley, it'll get there"........Kate McCann: "Rome is preparing itself for our visit."...Susan Healy: "Kate said last night 'If I weighed another two stone, had a bigger bosom and looked more maternal, people would be more sympathetic."...Kate McCann: "Be brave, sweetheart."...Martin Brunt: "We all thought they were a chavvy family from some estate in Essex who weren't looking after their children properly but the fact that these were two middle-aged, middle-income or, even high-income professionals, doctors, it did rather take on a different hue."...Carlos Anjos: "If that situation had been of an abduction, it would have been terrible for the child. Because if that child were to be sold, or something else... She was as good as... it was her death sentence. That situation, that day, advertising that photo, was simply the death sentence of that child."...Gerry McCann: "The iris is Madeleine’s only true distinctive feature. Certainly we thought it was possible that this could potentially hurt her or her abductor might do something to her eye.… But in terms of marketing, it was a good ploy.”...Clarence Mitchell: "If she's dead then she's dead, but not by their hand"...Kate McCann: "My struggle to control 'very difficult' Madeleine"...Question 41 to Kate McCann: "Is it true that in England you even considered handing over Madeleine’s custody to a relative?"...Maddie McCann: "Why didn't you come when we were crying last night?"...Kate McCann: "...that means that, you know, she must have fallen back asleep very quickly, errm... and then she moved on… you know, she moved on."...Kate McCann: "I don't want to dwell on it too much."...Kate McCann:"When lunchtime came, Gerry and I were in the middle of another meeting when we discovered there was no one around to collect Sean and Amelie. We had to interrupt proceedings and go to the Toddler Club ourselves"...Maria Bandeirinha: “Kate passed by my door, laughing her head off, with a friend, days after her daughter disappeared. What mother has a child in an unknown location and feels like laughing?"...Kate McCann: "Well, it was our holiday too"....Kate McCann: "It's funny, we were having such a good time. We were with our friends and their kids. I think cos there was a group of us, you're just into each other, d'you know what I mean"...Gerry McCann: "If Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment – why would that be our fault?"...Kate McCann: "It was so dark...it was dark, erm I've never had such a long night it was dark and you're just praying for the light you know to come up to get out there..."...Rachael Oldfield: "I didn’t really like going up there by myself, it was, like going through that car park was quite dark and there was never anyone around, it was a bit, you know made me feel a bit uneasy”...Kate McCann: "I know that what happened is not due to the fact of us leaving the children asleep. I know it happened under other circumstances."...Kate McCann: "I can't stop thinking about Madeleine, about her fear of pain"...Kate McCann: "Whoever Madeleine's with she'll be giving them her tuppence worth."...Kate McCann's diary: "Gerry put on another great performance"...Daily Express reporter: "She and husband Gerry burst into laughter as they promoted her book about their lost daughter Madeleine."....Gerry McCann: "Ask the dogs, Sandra."...Gerry McCann: "It wasn't as bad as the night we found her..."...Gerry McCann: "Nothing of value was taken the night Madeleine disappeared"....Gerry McCann to Ed Smart: "Ed, I would not be surprised if they, you know, don't plant evidence in the car, you know, to have them think that there's DNA in this car that I rented after the fact is just outrageous, and what could they possibly have?"....Dave Edgar: "Maddie is in a secret lair in a lawless village in PDL"...Donal MacIntyre: Maddie's abductor cleaned the apartment, after a rehearsal, leaving no DNA...Gerry McCann: "My plan was to stay quiet and not answer."...John McCann: "It's not bad for a bunch of amateurs"...Moita Flores: "I have no doubts that the child died. Who knows, one day a fishing net will pick up a bag with a child's bones in it."...PJ Case Files: "Between 15h00 on August 4th 2007 and 06h30 on August 5th 2007, the following samples were recovered in the living room of apartment 5A at the OCEAN CLUB where a murder probably took place.".....Gonçalo Amaral: "The priests also know very well what happened that night.”...Gonçalo Amaral: "I receive a phone call from Sofia, who insists on my going home: our Shitzu dog is dead. She found it that morning, lifeless on the ground, with a head injury."...Dr Paulo Sargento: "Gonçalo Amaral is the visible target the McCanns want to take down"....Portuguese AG, Fernando Pinto Monteiro: "One way or another the McCanns were responsible for their child's death."...Gonçalo Amaral: “There are things that I haven’t said yet”...Gonçalo Amaral: "I am not shutting up"...........

*NEW!* Judge Tugendhat will hear McCanns' CONTEMPT application 10.30am Wednesday 8 February

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Re: *NEW!* Judge Tugendhat will hear McCanns' CONTEMPT application 10.30am Wednesday 8 February

Post  bobbin on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:10 pm

Peter Mac,

Thank you for answering HFS's comments for me. Yours is always a sound voice of reason, but in this case, I'm not sure that its the sort of thing that HFS was wanting to hear.

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Post  T4two on Sun Feb 12, 2012 7:23 pm

If MG was working on his own - what's with the limo that arrived at TB's house to collect the booklet? Did I dream about that or did TB actually tell us? If the limo actually existed - did MG go to the trouble of hiring a limo at his own expense, or did it belong to a third party? Did TB get the registration number I wonder?

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Post  happychick on Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:15 pm

T4two wrote:If MG was working on his own - what's with the limo that arrived at TB's house to collect the booklet? Did I dream about that or did TB actually tell us? If the limo actually existed - did MG go to the trouble of hiring a limo at his own expense, or did it belong to a third party? Did TB get the registration number I wonder?


I think the limousine was delivering the 5 lever arch files not collecting the booklet.

I don't think that particular event had anything to do with Mike Gunnill.

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Post  candyfloss on Sun Feb 12, 2012 9:21 pm

happychick wrote:
T4two wrote:If MG was working on his own - what's with the limo that arrived at TB's house to collect the booklet? Did I dream about that or did TB actually tell us? If the limo actually existed - did MG go to the trouble of hiring a limo at his own expense, or did it belong to a third party? Did TB get the registration number I wonder?


I think the limousine was delivering the 5 lever arch files not collecting the booklet.

I don't think that particular event had anything to do with Mike Gunnill.



Yes, that's correct happychick.

It was a courier that arrived at MG's house to collect the booklet and other evidence...........

Tony Bennett wrote:'Twas back on 4 February 2010 that member of this forum, photojournalist Mike Gunnill - a man with a weird fascination for publishing excessively large numbers of photographs of centre-of-child-sexual-abuse Haut de la Garenne on his website - exulted with wild delight at an achievement so great that the McCanns has heralded this as BREACH OF UNDERTAKING NO.1 in the case of McCanns -v- Bennett which will start to unfold in the Royal Courts of Justice some time just over two years later: 8 February 2012.

Breach of Undertaking No. 1 alleges that I sold a book to Mike Gunnill in breach of an undertaking not to sell or distribute the book I'd written: 'What Really Happened to Madeleine McCann: 60 Reasons which suggest she was not abducted".

The circumstances are I think reasonably well-known on here. Mike Gunnill, who lives near Maidstone, Kent, having already in the past written to me pretending to be Jason Peters and Peter Tarwin, this time fooled me by pretending to be yet another person, 'Michael Sangerte of Berkshire'. He asked for a copy of '60 Reasons'. I told him 'No'. He asked again. I told him 'No' and said he could read it on various websites. He said he'd already read '60 reasons', but needed the book 'for reasons of historical research, and was 'willing to pay a large price'. Believing Mr Sangerte to be genuine, I said I would see if I could get hold of a copy, and obtained one from a relative. He then sent me £5. I sent him the book he needed for his 'historical research'.

This is what happened next, Mike Gunnill's posting on this forum on 4 February 2010:

1) A courier this morning at 08.00 collected the envelope, 60 Reasons
book, 10 Reasons leaflet, a receipt signed by Anthony Bennett plus
emails between myself and Mr Bennett. The book was purchased by
contacting Mr Bennett directly via email. The money was posted to his
home address in Harlow. Cash was sent ( £5 ) as payment, because I
didn't want to send a cheque made payable to Mrs Bennett as requested
by Anthony Bennett at the same address.

2) Mr Bennett has admitted selling a copy of 60 Reasons to me. There
are two further examples but I only required proof of one sale.

3) I am grateful to this forum for allowing me to make public and open
contact with Mr Anthony Bennett.

4) The third party has asked me not make any further comment or
postings, which I have agreed to do. I have also agreed to make a
personal statement to the third party.

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Now then, a couple of questions, one of which I'll put up on the forum as a poll question:

1. Who was the 'third party' who instructed Mike Gunnill to use deceit to get hold of a copy of '60 Reasons', and who then asked him not to make any further comment, nor to make any further postings about it, and to whom he agreed 'to make a personal statement'?

2. Which legal firm sent up a courier at 8.00 in the morning to Mike Gunnill's home to collect the precious book and deliver it to them?



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Re: *NEW!* Judge Tugendhat will hear McCanns' CONTEMPT application 10.30am Wednesday 8 February

Post  PeterMac on Sun Feb 12, 2012 11:35 pm

candyfloss wrote:

4) The third party has asked me not make any further comment or
postings, which I have agreed to do. I have also agreed to make a
personal statement to the third party.

by mikegunnill
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Oh Joy ! There we have it. The Third Party was involved right from the start.
Not A third party, or someone subsequently interested, or who became involved at a later date, or "to whom I later transferred the document..."
No.
THE THIRD PARTY
It would be ludicrous and libellous to the Third Party to interpret that as anything other than the normal meaning of the words. The THIRD party was involved as the THIRD party before, during, and after the entire episode.
Will MG have the 'cojones' to tell all in the witness box, under oath, when the third party might well be represented in the court, wigged and gowned, or grovelling in the desk behind.
I wish I could be there !!

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Re: *NEW!* Judge Tugendhat will hear McCanns' CONTEMPT application 10.30am Wednesday 8 February

Post  listener on Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:22 am

PeterMac wrote:
candyfloss wrote:

4) The third party has asked me not make any further comment or
postings, which I have agreed to do. I have also agreed to make a
personal statement to the third party.

by mikegunnill
on Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:09 am
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Oh Joy ! There we have it. The Third Party was involved right from the start.
Not A third party, or someone subsequently interested, or who became involved at a later date, or "to whom I later transferred the document..."
No.
THE THIRD PARTY
It would be ludicrous and libellous to the Third Party to interpret that as anything other than the normal meaning of the words. The THIRD party was involved as the THIRD party before, during, and after the entire episode.
Will MG have the 'cojones' to tell all in the witness box, under oath, when the third party might well be represented in the court, wigged and gowned, or grovelling in the desk behind.
I wish I could be there !!


Me too!

That lowlife will say whatever he thinks is most beneficial to him, but will he have the intelligence to understand he is a pawn in the big game!

What a dummy

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Re: *NEW!* Judge Tugendhat will hear McCanns' CONTEMPT application 10.30am Wednesday 8 February

Post  aiyoyo on Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:45 am

ShuBob wrote:
aiyoyo wrote:
Stella wrote
Just a little reminder for all at the start of a lovely weekend, that this whole legal affair is all over one little booklet, obtained by the deceptive means of entrapment. All in the name of being


My opinion is: it may be only MG himself who plodded this to bring down TB. But, he cunningly involved CR to exact his revenge on TB, knowing very well he'd succeeded in entrapping TB to breach his undertaking and that would interest CR to know.
The "third party interest" he boasted about maybe of his instigation instead of the other way round.

Although it is suspected he was used by 'so and so', there is no proof of that.
Moreover, I dont think the suspected "so and so" would be so stupid to instigate a criminal act like that (entrapment is criminal I believe) or for that matter leave a trail of evidence leading to them. IMHO, perhaps it is probably safer for TB to err on the cautious side when posing questions to him as witness.

Bearing in mind that MG has an axe to grind with TB - I believe this is over his website debacle where he (MG) had a tussle then fall out with Steve Marsden (then site Admin of MF).
At most, my view is that MG will be proven a deceitful liar who'd purchased the 60-reason booklet using deceptive method with ill intention towards TB, but it wont point anywhere else, IMHO.

Regardless of that, MG has plenty to answer in Court as to why he entrapped TB for the mccanns?
Question has to be asked what was in it for him?
If his action is about getting even with TB, why couldn't he settle his personal feud with TB one to one? Why ride onto the mccanns to get even with TB? All these questions need to be clarified.


Be that as it may, the judge may want to know why the McCanns' lawyers are using evidence they know came by means of entrapment to prosecute TB. Apart from the fact they watch this forum, I believe TB has raised the point with them how he came to sell the booklet. Even in criminal cases, judges have been known to throw out cases on the basis that evidence had been obtained illegally. So my point is, it may not matter if this person was acting alone or if he had been put up to it.


I do realize that it appears the mccanns lawyers were complicit in it, when they readily used evidence they know came by means of entrapment to prosecute TB.
My point is, it may be that they (CR) were involved right from the onset. However, the question as to whether it was them who despatched the courier on Mike Gunnill's behalf to collect the booklet from TB, or MG sent the courtier himself, no one knows the answer to that. I suspect one won't get a straight answer from MG irrespective. On top of which, since he's been known to be a liar, who is to know whether his given answer will be the verity.
Unless TB is able to enquire directly with the courier company as to who instructed them to collect from TB, then the truth might be forthcoming in an easier way which will leave no ambiguity. Actually, come to think about it, the airway bill should have indicated the orderer's name. Doesn't the courier company have to announce who sent them to collect? Just a thought anyway.

So the more pertinent point is, although we know MG himself affirmed a third party was implicit from the outset, what I was saying is without supporting evidence to show that it was a third party who instigated MG, it might be wiser for TB to avoid posing directly implicating questions, or risks the onslaught of wrath from the other side and witness. You can bet your bottom dollar even if MG was set up by a third party to act so, he isn't going to be stupid to admit it for obvious reasons.

In short, my point is: it might well be MG who involved the third party instead of the other way round. Thus, to suggest otherwise in Court ( ie: that he was put up by a third party [even if there was truth in it]) may be courting trouble knowing you wont ever extract the truth out of those lot of deceitful people. IMHO, it's always better to err on the cautious side to not to let them have a reason to turn around to cite slander. You can bet your bottom dollar they wont hesitate to jump on the chance.

You made good valid points that be it whether MG acted alone or in cohort with someone else, his illegal means of obtaining the booklet is evidence the Judge should be informed about. And, that the judge may also want to know why CR used this to prosecute TB despite knowing the evidence came by means of entrapment. More crucially the Judge will want to know why MG set TB up, for whom and what purpose?

Dare I say MG is in a spot of trouble, and he alone will bear the brunt of the law, if it comes to that.
It does not matter whether a revelation is to be had in Court (which I seriously doubt) as to whether he acted alone or in gang, at the end of the day, in my view, he will sink alone or be left to sink alone. For a start he's already proven himself to be a liar and deceitful.

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Re: *NEW!* Judge Tugendhat will hear McCanns' CONTEMPT application 10.30am Wednesday 8 February

Post  Gillyspot on Fri Mar 02, 2012 10:29 pm

Tony is Mr Justice Tugendhat taking the full case in April?

If so I hope I can give you some hope.

About Caroline Spellman's son

"The Spelmans went on to say Jonathan 'has made a voluntary statement to the RFU and is now subject to their disciplinary process which is still ongoing.
'Our son knows that taking a banned substance can never, ever, be right and he is deeply sorry for the mistakes he has made and is determined to learn from them.'
They are now facing a six-figure legal bill after initially trying to prevent the Daily Star Sunday from publishing the story.
The newspaper said it was 'delighted that common sense has prevailed and this story can now be reported.'
Jonathan was originally granted the order preventing the publication of the revelations in the newspaper by Mr Justice Lindblom at a private hearing last month.
The judge said the information, which was leaked to the newspaper, attracted a reasonable expectation of privacy and publication would not advance the public interest.
But, on February 24, Mr Justice Tugendhat concluded that it was 'not necessary or proportionate' to continue the injunction.
In his ruling, Mr Justice Tugendhat said his decision not to continue the injunction was not a 'licence' to the Express Newspapers group or anyone else to publish whatever they chose, or indeed anything at all.
The injunction remained in place until 4pm today to give the 17-year-old, who was suing through his mother and father Mark, an opportunity to ask the Court of Appeal for permission to challenge the judge's decision."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2109403/Family-secret-Cabinet-minister-tried-hide-Rugby-playing-teenage-son-exposed-drugs-cheat.html#ixzz1o08AnSot

And with Giggsy

"The country’s most senior media judge Mr Justice Tugendhat has criticised Manchester United footballer Ryan Giggs, the woman he allegedly had an affair with Imogen Thomas and News Group Newspapers (NGN) for their conduct in their legal wrangling over a tabloid story about the alleged affair....

Rejecting Giggs’ bid for damages from NGN, publisher of The Sun, over the anonymised publication of a story about the alleged affair Tugendhat J said: “The way that this case has been conducted by the parties has done much to undermine the confidence in the administration of justice.”

http://www.thelawyer.com/tugendhat-j-slams-conduct-of-giggs-thomas-and-news-group/1011649.article

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