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Post by tigger on 22.01.12 17:29

I hope this isn't a useless topic, but Dr. Roberts' 'Tense situation' made me think of this.

We have a psychic invited? by Kate to come to Portugal. According to Dr. Roberts, the timeline doesn't easily allow for the visit to the beach and the photographs taken of the ships - by the alleged psychic before the 8th.

Diana Lazarus lived in Cardiff and Amanda Hart in lived also in that area at the time.
However, I recall that the Swansea number found on her mobile (the wrong number) was also traced to other mobiles at a later date - these details are not in the list of pings published by the PJ.
I'm also aware that Swansea isn't next door to Cardiff, but not far and the particular exchange or mast could easily be in between the two places.


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Last May it was reported in the UK Press Gazette that the McCanns, their friends and their family had invited the 'alleged psychics' Diane Lazarus (of Cardiff) and Amanda Hart across to Portugal to see if they could discover what happened to Madeleine (Amanda is an ex-resident of Portugal and Spain).
What's interesting is that Amanda Hart registered a website domain for her new company on April 28 2007 called Amber Connections Ltd.
Hart registered the actual company name on April 26th 2007 with the UK's 'Companies House'.
This 'psychic detective' company was to specialise in Missing Persons and Miscarriages of Justice. It was to behave in principle rather like the 'psychic wing' of Gerry's Amber Alert Sysyem.

Amanda Hart registered this domain 5 days before Madeleine went missing. It's alleged both she and Diane Lazarus were then invited across to Portugal by friends of the McCanns.

Diane Lazarus says she will fly out to Portugal on Wednesday at the request of a family friend. She will visit the holiday apartment on the Warner development at Praia da Luz where Madeline was staying when she vanished. Mum of two Diane, who has helped police in high profile investigations including the Jill Dando and Sarah Payne murder cases, thinks her skills can detect vital clues to who abducted the child and where she could be now. unquote

It trundles on in much the same vein.

My points are these:
According to Dr. Roberts, and Kate's diaries, there was no time before the 8th to have gone to Lagos marina and photograph the boats seen in a vision by a 'psychic family friend'. Kate could not have taken those photographs during that time since she had professed herself incapable of using a camera.

Once again, the timing doesn't work. I would think the photographs given to the police on the 8th of May by Kate, must have been taken when? Kate tells us in the diary it wasn't between the 4th and the 8th.
She says she didn't take the photographs herself. The friends didn't recognize the man on deck from her vision.
None of this is in the diary but only in Kate's encounter with the police on the 8th.

The Amber connections website set up just then seems a little serendipitous.
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Members of the McCanns family asked her would she go and see if she could help find Madeleine ....Amanda is a physic and flew out with two other people ....What I find very strange is that Amanda only had set up a new company with another physic called Ben Murphy,and this is where it gets interesting ...It was set up on April 28th 2007 the day the McC,s and group flew to Portugal ....Madeleine goes missing on May 3rd .....10th of May Gerry and Gary Titley starts talking about A/A ....The name of Amanda Harts company that she set up in April 28th 2007 is called ..AMBER CONNECTIONS
. Amanda Hart did have the name Amber Connections knocking around prior to 2007 .... - prior to May 2007 it had just been a 'spiritual development' service: it was only in April 2007 that it became a fully fledged 'missing persons', 'psychic detective' ghostbusters thingy.
unquote. http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/932-Amanda-Hart-psychic-predictions-for-the-Madeleine-McCann-case

Isn't Ben Murphy a name associated with Smethurst?

If this would be better in 'coincidences topic' please move.


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Post by sijm on 22.01.12 22:58

Amanda Hart was subject of much criticism from one John Jackson site Pointificator-in-Chief www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=932

Hart blogged quite in details of Madeleine's where abouts and her fate, it as to be asked was she a loose cannon or a sicko as her blog states.

15th JUNE 2007,

Well more to update,but crucially so now:

Told to come home and post this immediately. Yesterday kept getting so much, but looking what is going on in the media, not surprised as I said the 13th would bring the chance for Maddy to be found! Last weekend I was told to relax and switch off and relax with my children in preperation for this week..

This date Amanda Hart wrote about would coincide with the date 19-22nd June when GM went to London on the 18-20th June. This trip was when he lost his wallet near Downing Street. He also saved a man's life on the airplane (no doubt he had to examine him thoroughly as doctors have to do) On the journey back from London after having been picked up from the airport by Kate, on the journey home, a guy laid down in front of his car and fearless Gerry took this complete stranger (apparently a paralytic drunk who instantly recognised him and Kate) back to this drunks appartment on his own, for all Gerry knew this drunk could have been the abductor wanting to look into the pained faces of the McCanns after doing the foul deed with Maddeline or maybe something arranged.

Where was Maddy on the 19-22nd of June, when all those savage dogs Kate complained about were roaming around on Rocha Negra?

Back to Amanda Harts blogs.

Tuesday was a cool down day,then everything came in at such a pace yesterday bringing much to a head this week (this would be 16-22nd June 2007)

Was told last week I would be going away and having a break I need as I will be no longer helping with the case as all will come to a head by the weekend, now I can clearly see why. (Amanda 's blog written on 13 -15th June, seven days makes it 22nd of June)

Last night as I drove home, the helicopter had been plaguing me all day as I pulled off my turning of the motorway.It was hovering above which alerted me to a line of police cars. I knew what this was showing me. I went to have a look and sure enought, the were at least 10 or more cars and other vehicles in a waste site near a farm, I was being told to note this which I did and logged it with someone at 9 apm last night.

Was shown the dove again yesterday showing peace had come at last to Maddy and also was being highlighted that all things were linking now.

This morning I had to make contact with someone as I posted earlier-to someone in Spain. I waited again for cofirmation that this was what I was supposed to do and got it confirmed. I now believe that the man who is claiming to be the Frenchman is linked-is the INVESTIGATOR I mentioned in previous posting,who would help discover the abductor.

Would like to match his investgation with my findings to see if they match at all.

At some points part of Amanda Harts posts are left out because they are not relevant, but some are such as.

Then I read the papers this morning and understand now that the police are searching a place relating to a letter sent to the Dutch Newspaper, This is a link to the abductors.Now this makes more sense.

Unbelievably, I knew when I was in Portugal on Saturday(Maddy's birthday)that my colleague and I were tracking something.It now turns out,that we were tracking what was possibly being investigated now.

Yesterday was shown the police search in wastes site near MY HOME to highlight that the search links to me again( just like before when police raided a house near where I used to live) When we were in Portugal, we went to this particular area and amazingly searched undergrowth along the road side in a remote area where police are searching now.

John Jackson -the Pointificator -in -Chief writes.

This has been a great example of how self-proclaimed psychics involvr themselves in high profile cases like this.

As can be seen from the entries above, this has been one big fantasy: visions and revelations to do with Atlantis etc.

Although Amanda Hart has been banded as a complete and utter sham, she did seem to know in-depth knowledge, the way she says she was told to come home, Who told her? Who told her to come home? Who was her link in Spain the one she cled the investigator.

Was Amanda the psychic, Kate told DC 975 Markly of Leicestershire Constabulary about, the psychic that had a vision that Madeline was on a boat in Lagos Marina and she had seen the man in her vison.

At this point if you do look on this web site above , you will see Amanda Hart has blogged about Madeleine on a boat with two men and they have a quarrel and one of the men kills the other one. She (Amanda also takes us to Lesotho and indicates a particular area with white washed houses, A point Kate touches on when relating to many of her psychic leads as not believable.

At this point it must be pointed out Amanda Harts colleague Diane Lazurus, who hails from Swansea, Did'nt Kate have a Swanse phone call on her cell phone?

Diane's Lasarus's maiden name was Lloyd before marriage and her husband is/was a high profile legal aid lawyer.
Amanda Harts PR agent was voted one of ten most influential men in the UK, He even wrote a book on Enoch, I think his name is Kizzy or Izzy?
Pherhaps Amanda Hart is more psyched into her colleague's husband (who has no doubt police contacts then Diane is) or are we using channels within channels so to speak?

Much more info on Amanda Hart on the web site above, that is if it has not been wooshed.

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Post by jd on 22.01.12 23:44

Well done Tigger for starting this topic and to sijm for your reply. You are both on the right track........Your posts are very interesting and important even though many can't see it but keep going. Tigger this topic is anything but useless, you've got it

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Post by sijm on 23.01.12 0:23

Amanda Hart points out in her post June 13th-15th or just after that, SHE SAW A DOVE AND IT INDICATED PEACE HAD COME FOR MADDY AT LAST!

Did this indicate Madeline was alive up until that time (PEACE HAD COME TO MADDY AT LAST) the last being the date Amanda tells us, which could have been as late as June 13-15th when Amanda made that post.

Interesting point would be, if there is any evidence to prove Madeleine's body was intact up until that period, this would prove she was holed up for a few weeks before her fate was decided.

Another interesting factor about Hart is, she had told us in her blog that she too had a child abducted from her and the child was taken to an Island in Greece and would be returned when she was sixteen, the child's name Madeleine or similar, her age four years old at the time.

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Post by jd on 23.01.12 0:31

What comes to mind is the dove and butterflies...The butterfly that miraculously landed on kates head just as she shook hands with the Pope

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Post by tigger on 23.01.12 6:54

SJM : If you read further on the skeptics forum you will see that Har't 'lost child' was in fact delivered by her to her ex husband. She apparently then joined the singles scene as she told a friend the child would have a better life with her father.

This is one attention seeker. But yet again, so many coincidences and this vague statement that she would be delivered to her when she was 16. A good ten years of visions of Madeleine if a psychic said she was still alive. I wonder if it was Hart of Lazarus who joined Kate to take photographs of the marina and who had this convenient dream.

Her posts of the 13/15th June - that can't have pleased TM because it intimates Maddie was dead. Last thing TM wanted. Perhaps Lazarus was the original 'friend' and Hart tagged along.
Don't forget sjm, the cadaver odour in 5a etc. Maddie was long gone by then.

Most of my interest lies here in the location of both women and their helpful visions. The proximity to Swansea in particular.
If the McCanns say: 'Look at the sea' , I will look 180 degrees away from where they're pointing.

This was early days remember. Maddie probably wasn't buried yet. I'll have to go over the timelines again. Next week I'll be able to print a lot of things out and do it by hand.


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Post by jd on 23.01.12 9:35

Amanda Hart - Has child nicknamed 'Maddy' - Blonde - Taken just before her birthday - 28th April 2007 website launch - AMBER CONNECTIONS - 3rd May 2005 'spiritual development' service launch of Amber Connections

The mccanns - Have child nicknamed 'Maddie' - Blonde - Taken just before her birthday - 28th April 2007 arrive in PDL - AMBER ALERT - 3rd May 2007 abduction fairytale is launched

kate rings Amanda Hart (while on a family holiday) on May 2nd 2007 the day before her Maddie disappears. Days after the mccanns's Maddie disappears, Amanada Hart goes to PDL

Are these just mere amazing coincidences?

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Post by tigger on 23.01.12 11:35

@jd wrote:Amanda Hart - Has child nicknamed 'Maddy' - Blonde - Taken just before her birthday - 28th April 2007 website launch - AMBER CONNECTIONS - 3rd May 2005 'spiritual development' service launch of Amber Connections

The mccanns - Have child nicknamed 'Maddie' - Blonde - Taken just before her birthday - 28th April 2007 arrive in PDL - AMBER ALERT - 3rd May 2007 abduction fairytale is launched

kate rings Amanda Hart (while on a family holiday) on May 2nd 2007 the day before her Maddie disappears. Days after the mccanns's Maddie disappears, Amanada Hart goes to PDL

Are these just mere amazing coincidences?

Perhaps someone could move it to your Coincidences Topic, keeping on topic is difficult, as seen in the hidden Basement topic.

I also read somewhere - sorry cant think where now - that Ben Murphy is a friend of Smethurst on Facebook?

And 10th of May Gerry and Gary Titley (who he?) start talking about Amber Alert etc.

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Post by jd on 23.01.12 12:01

@tigger wrote:
@jd wrote:Amanda Hart - Has child nicknamed 'Maddy' - Blonde - Taken just before her birthday - 28th April 2007 website launch - AMBER CONNECTIONS - 3rd May 2005 'spiritual development' service launch of Amber Connections

The mccanns - Have child nicknamed 'Maddie' - Blonde - Taken just before her birthday - 28th April 2007 arrive in PDL - AMBER ALERT - 3rd May 2007 abduction fairytale is launched

kate rings Amanda Hart (while on a family holiday) on May 2nd 2007 the day before her Maddie disappears. Days after the mccanns's Maddie disappears, Amanada Hart goes to PDL

Are these just mere amazing coincidences?

Perhaps someone could move it to your Coincidences Topic, keeping on topic is difficult, as seen in the hidden Basement topic.

I also read somewhere - sorry cant think where now - that Ben Murphy is a friend of Smethurst on Facebook?

And 10th of May Gerry and Gary Titley (who he?) start talking about Amber Alert etc.

Ben Murphy is something I highlighted, and at the moment because of the name....Could be nothing but worth investigating as another coincidence! There are snapshots of this facebook page somewhere on the net which I need to find

Gary Titley is a Labour MEP

Just been digging a round a bit. This was quite interesting which I didn't know that "Dr Neil Murray - An anaesthetist. Married to JK Rowling. Attended Glasgow Medical University at the same time as Gerry McCann.". This sounds like the link in the mccanns trying to associate JK Rowling to their fairytale, but she soon distanced herself from it. Wonder if its because she became aware of the truth?

http://messageboards.aol.com/aol/en_us/articles.php?boardId=158424&articleId=195513&func=5

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Post by Daisy on 23.01.12 12:43

This thread is devoloping into a very interesting one. Some great info there. Thanks guys

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Post by sijm on 23.01.12 14:43

Hi Tigger.

1.We know from the police files that upon examining Kate's cell phone, PJ discover just one phone call from a Swansea number, this was a miss call.

Later there were further phone calls linked to Swansea from Praia da Luz, Not it was reported from any of the Tapas Nine/Mcs

Did this miss-call from Swansea to Kate occur on the morning of the 3rd of May 2007, When Madeleine was supposedly still in the appartment,Madeleine was not reported missing until late that evening 3rd of May after the miss telephone call?

Yes we know KM telephoned her friend Amanda early on morning 3rd May 07 but is it the same Amanda, because I read that the Amanda she telephoned, her husband is a pathologist?

2.We have established the link between Amanda Hart and Swansea based Diane Lazarus (whose husband is a lawyer) and we know Amanda Hart is a colleague of Diane Lazarus, they both appeared on Psychics Challenged, Diane Lazarus won.

Amanda Hart tells us in her blog, she was on the Madeleine case and out in Praia snooping around, She also has a link to someone who orders her to go home, a boss in Spain we can assume, the one she was told to report her vison to.

Amanda states in her blog, she has visons of Madeleine on a boat with two men, she also states she saw the Dove and Madeleine has found peace at last, this post was on 13-15th June 2007.

If there is proof Madeleine had died (as Amanda Hart suggested) near this date and there is evidence out there of her body not in advanced deterioration, would this prove Amanda Hart was spot on with her supposed vision or was she was privy to some insider knowledge?

We have been informed on this forum, a family friend of Kate's Aunt & Uncle from Leiscestershire had a friend with a strong vision that Madeleine was on a boat with a man in the Marina in Lagos.

Those two versions of Madeleine on a boat coincides with Amanda Harts own blog telling of a (Madeleine is on a boat with two men) and the information recieved by KM from a psychic that of a vison of (Madeleine is on a boat in Lagos marina with a man).

Either the work of one psychic or two very closely in contact me thinks.

DC 975 Markly of Leicestershire Constabulary reportedly wrote on a spare sheet of official headed paper a statement from the McCann family.

He allegedly spoke to KM on Tuesday 8th May 07 and she told him that a family friend of her Aunt & Uncle from Leiscestershire had a friend that had a strong vision that Madeleine was on a boat with a man in the Marina in Lagos, That person arrived in Portugal and spoke to Kate and they iwent tho the Marina and dentified the boat but not the man on board, It was alleged Kate had visited the Marina between the 4th-8th May 07 ( this information was taken from the Coincidences forum)

We were informed by Amanda Harts blog she was in Praia da Luz on Madeleine's birthday on the 12th May for certain.

It is that Swansea phone call I find more puzzling, If that miss phone call was made on the morning of 3rd of May when Madeleine was supposedly still in the appartment 5A?

We know those telephone calls from Swansea continued to another person in Luz, this is on police files.

Then we know a psychic from the Swansea link (her husband a lawyer) and her colleague from St Albans (whose PR agent one of 10 most influential in UK) is invited onto the case by the Mcs family.

Was that Swansea misscall on KM cell phone on the mornig 3rd of May when Madeleine was supposedly still in appartment 5A.

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Post by Praia on 23.01.12 14:54

The call to Amanda whose husband is a pathologist. I always wondered why she was a cleaner for the McCann's, surely her husband earned enough that she did not have to wash floors????

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Post by jd on 23.01.12 16:16

Its looking like there are no connections between the Ben Murphys and just a coincidence of names. If anyone can find an image of Ben Murphy 'the physic' this would be a big help, I can't find one anywhere and only his quotes

sijm, what you wrote about the marina sightings/Amanda Hart is very interesting. I need to familiarise myself with all the facts again of the marina incident before commenting further at the moment, and it does sound very suspicious to me, very. I thought the Swansea call was on May 2nd? but could be wrong about this and I'll check through the call logs. There is just so much info sometimes! but I am going to read up on all this now as have been side tracked with other things

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Post by Guest on 23.01.12 16:34

@Praia wrote:The call to Amanda whose husband is a pathologist. I always wondered why she was a cleaner for the McCann's, surely her husband earned enough that she did not have to wash floors????

It might be me having missed something (wouldn't be the first time) but where has the reference to this person cleaning for the McCanns come from?

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Post by Invinoveritas on 23.01.12 17:19

Well we have a Amanda Jane Coxon who used to clean and was also a nanny for all three children, link here: http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/AMANDA-COXON.htm

no mention of a husband

and then we have Amanda (Jayne) Hart, no mention of her husband's profession but I have posted a link: http://missingmadeleine.forumotion.net/t7722-amanda-jayne-hart-diane-lazarus

this makes interesting reading and admittedly it is slightly O/T

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Post by Daisy on 23.01.12 17:59

There's some very interesting information on the UK Skeptics forum about Amanda Hart and her connections to the McCann case. Of course I can't vouch for the truthfullness of the discussion (from someone that supposedly knows her well) on her background, her abandoning her own chilldren etc. So I view this part with caution and it remains hearsay. Sure makes for interesting reading though.

http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php/2876-Amanda-Jayne-Hart-Psychic

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Post by Guest on 23.01.12 18:01

Thanks for that Invinoveritas. Cleaning and being a psychic seem a bit of an unlikely combination but maybe times are hard in the spirit world too at the moment!

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Post by tigger on 23.01.12 18:07

Yes, this Amanda person typical of the bandwagon phenomenon.

If you've ever seen 'Haunting Evidence' a US effort, the Maddy McCann effort is on youtube, tripe from start to finish. They may even have used some of Amanda's visions, lonely farmhouses, that sort of thing.

It's still interesting that she went along with Lazarus whose husband is a lawyer. Didn't stay long, posted a lot of guff, but the dates - especially in June are v. interesting. There seems to be some correlation with the dates and the visions. I'll start making notes.
Just found a brilliant way to do that, use an old - unused full page diary, enter references to various events. Look for correlation. At last, brain in gear!

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Post by Daisy on 23.01.12 18:18

Jean wrote:Thanks for that Invinoveritas. Cleaning and being a psychic seem a bit of an unlikely combination but maybe times are hard in the spirit world too at the moment!

Not to mention being the wife of a pathologist and having to go charring for a pair of Doctors.

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Post by Guest on 23.01.12 18:23

Daisy, I have to admit that I was reminded of the hoax posting from Bonnybraes (bless her!) that Clement Freud worked for the McCanns as their cook!

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Post by Guest on 23.01.12 18:42

KMc`s friend is Amanda Coxon who lives at the same address as a Dr Paul Whitaker who is a chemical pathologist at Leicester University. He`s therefore a scientist and not a medic, but chemical pathologists do work closely with the medical profession.

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Post by tigger on 23.01.12 18:47

Jean wrote:Daisy, I have to admit that I was reminded of the hoax posting from Bonnybraes (bless her!) that Clement Freud worked for the McCanns as their cook!

I think there are just a number of Amandas in the picture. Confusing, Amanda Hart imo is clearly an attention seeking fraud. But she teamed up with Lazarus who is interesting because of Swansea and because of her lawyer husband. Not to mention that one or both of them are supposed to be friends of the McCanns. Then there is Amanda's website, which is very, very coincidental.

So who was the psychic friend who stood with Kate on Lagos Marina to point out the ship she'd seen in her dreams? And when pray, was there time for her to do that, when Dr. Roberts has worked out it couldn't have happened between the 4th and the 8th, yet on the 8th there is Kate - asking a policeman to look at a bunch of photographs taken by her psychics friend in her presence.

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Post by Guest on 23.01.12 18:50

@Daisy wrote:
Jean wrote:Thanks for that Invinoveritas. Cleaning and being a psychic seem a bit of an unlikely combination but maybe times are hard in the spirit world too at the moment!

Not to mention being the wife of a pathologist and having to go charring for a pair of Doctors.

It looks as if poor old Amanda (Coxon not Hart) does have to supplement her income as Mrs Mop after all!

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Post by Daisy on 23.01.12 18:55

Jean wrote:
@Daisy wrote:
Jean wrote:Thanks for that Invinoveritas. Cleaning and being a psychic seem a bit of an unlikely combination but maybe times are hard in the spirit world too at the moment!

Not to mention being the wife of a pathologist and having to go charring for a pair of Doctors.

It looks as if poor old Amanda (Coxon not Hart) does have to supplement her income as Mrs Mop after all!

It does Jean. I stand corrected on that point.

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Post by sijm on 23.01.12 20:11

Thanks all ,for sorting out the wheat from the chaff so to speak on the Amanda issue.

So we are to take it, Kate's friend Amanda the one she telephoned early on morning on the 3rd May 07, was actually Amanda Coxen, wife of a chemical pathologist, A man who would of course have access to the right chemicals when called upon by someone in need.

Amand Hart maybe just a loose cannon psychic who mouths off about knowledge she is picking up from her so called higher channels,but there is one thing for certain, Amanda Hart's info seems to run parallel with the police investigations, such as the remote Barn, the towel and she even tells us Madeline is at peace on or around the 13th-15th of June, this goes against what the Mcs have always said that Madeline is still alive.

Interesting when Amanda made this post she had been told to go home, she was no longer needed on the Madeleine case, So could this be a case of resentment giving out insider knowledge via a unsuspecting colleague's personal channels and without her permission, did Amanda have the key to access that knowledge?

Amanda Hart maybe fighting for attention but we cannot ignore the fact she seems to give out some correct info and also when its tied into the fact that the Mcs had at one time acquired help from those two psychic's Amanda Hart and Diane Lazarus,a psychic informed them Maddy was on a boat, as did Amanda had posted on her site.

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