Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

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Post  jimuck on Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:48 pm

bobbin wrote:Does anyone have a date for when the CATS file was opened for G McCann ? Was it before or after 3rd May, 2007.


Kate MaCann also has a file on the CATS child abuse register.

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Re: Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

Post  Châtelaine on Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:28 pm

jimuck wrote:
bobbin wrote:Does anyone have a date for when the CATS file was opened for G McCann ? Was it before or after 3rd May, 2007.


Kate MaCann also has a file on the CATS child abuse register.

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Do you have a source, please?
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Re: Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

Post  jimuck on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:27 pm

Châtelaine wrote:
jimuck wrote:
bobbin wrote:Does anyone have a date for when the CATS file was opened for G McCann ? Was it before or after 3rd May, 2007.


Kate MaCann also has a file on the CATS child abuse register.

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Do you have a source, please?
Ta


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Leicestershire Police Force

From: DC443 J.N. HUGHES
To: SIO, Operation Task
Department: Main Criminal Unit
Date: 16th May 2008

Ref: Background Information– Kate McCann


Dear Sirs,

In response to your letter of request, I can provide the following information regarding the above-mentioned subject.


Kate McCann was born on March 5, 1968 in Merseyside.
Her maiden name is Healy, which she still uses in her clinical practice.
She is the bearer of British passport number **************.

She lives with her husband and children at ****************. The house is subject to a mortgage for the amount of *******with the Northern Rock bank.

There is no report or statement of bank credit cards listed in the research carried out. However I was alerted to the fact that if an individual maintains an account open with the same bank or credit card accounts for a long period of time, these details do not appear in this kind of search.

She works for the local NHS as a GP in Latham House, Melton Mowbray, Leicestershire. She is currently on maternity leave.

Her phone number is ******* and she has a T mobile phone number ********.
There is no record of either of her surnames on the National Police Computer.

The search reference is NE84/0053/4.

A check of the location of the crime and information system is negative.

Inquiries made of local social services are negative.

Searches made of the local section of child abuse investigation shows a registration number 19309 in CATS (system of action location). A consultation with the DC Soand from the department in question confirms that this is just a file reference, but as a complement to Operation Task system for the purpose of reference, if any investigation should be necessary by the department. No work has been done on the basis of this file.



Have deleted address etc. Although in the files, I don't think it should be on this forum.

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Re: Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

Post  jimuck on Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:50 pm

And never ever forget Yvonne Warren Martin and her statement where she gives 3 options where she may have come in contact with David Payne

Option 1/ Work colleague

Option 2/ Witness in child abuse

Option 3/ Suspect in child abuse

Then throw in this peice from her statement.... then tell me which option would you go for and which one did she (YWM)

"She(Yvonne Warren Martin)further states that one of her main aims when she wrote the anonymous letter was for the British police to check the paedophile or child abusers registers to see if David Payne is on that list"

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Re: Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

Post  uppatoffee on Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:21 pm

Do Kate and Gerry have the same CATS registration number? Or are they consecutive?

I only ask as normal databases would allocate a reference number to each person involved in a case. So parents, child, siblings etc would all appear on the system with a different number. It seems like in this instance they are all linked on one file number.

Although CATS is supposed to be a paperless system there would be an audit trail. Even if all the police paper copies have disappeared there would undoubtedly be copies held by Social Services, who must have been asked to investigate. My feeling is that this was created post disappearance. There would have been a meeting between the police and social services to determine what action they would take, or maybe even could take, given that it was outside their jurisdiction.

I have seen the mention of there being a crime from 2002 that related to this CATS number, from Koassis? Does anyone know if there is any evidence to suggest where this information came from? It also says he is still on the sex offenders register today. Well, that is a long time to be on the sex offenders register. Quite often offenders will be on for a few years. To be on for more than 5 years suggests something pretty serious.

Interesting article from 2007 in the telegraph. Doctors who are on the sex offenders register are not automatically disqualified from practicing
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1563981/Sex-offender-doctors-free-to-treat-patients.html

Also just found this in the Metro about the Police/Social Services joint agency investigation.

Madeleine McCann's parents faced fresh anguish today as social services and police met to discuss the family.
It is understood the Leicestershire authorities were meeting this afternoon to discuss how they should now respond to the Rothley youngster's disappearance and the naming of her parents, Kate and Gerry, both 39, as formal suspects.
The couple, both doctors, have two other children, two-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.
The family returned to Britain over the weekend but can be recalled to Portugal with just five days notice.
Meanwhile, papers outlining the case against the parents of missing Madeleine McCann are expected to be passed to the public prosecutor today, Portuguese police said.
The Portimao-based prosecutor, Jose Cunha de Magalhaes e Meneses, will then decide whether to bring charges against Kate and Gerry McCann.
Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa, spokesman for the Portuguese police inquiry, said: "At the moment the inquiry is being prepared to be handed to the prosecutor in charge of the case.
"He will analyse it and after this he will make his decision."
Asked when the papers would be handed over, he said: "Probably during today."
It comes as the parents of Madeleine McCann made the heartbreaking return to the family home without their missing daughter.
The couple arrived home with their two other children, twins Sean and Amelie, insisting they played no part in the four-year-old's disappearance.
But how long they will remain in Britain is unclear as police have told them they could be recalled to Portugal for further questioning at any time.
Kate McCann looked frail and tired while her husband, Gerry, his voice cracking, said: 'Whilst it is heartbreaking to return to the UK without Madeleine, it does not mean we are giving up our search.'
Previously, the couple had said they would not return to Britain without their daughter, who went missing in May while the family were on holiday in Praia da Luz.
But, on Saturday, the McCanns were named as formal suspects or 'arguidos' by Portuguese police.
During an 11-hour interview with Mrs McCann, officers said traces of Madeleine's blood had been found in the family's hire car.
They suggested Mrs McCann killed Madeleine accidentally and tried to cover up what had happened.
The McCanns, both 39, left Portugal aboard an easyJet flight from Faro. The front two rows of the plane were reserved for the family.
The couple arrived at East Midlands Airport, each of them carrying one of the twins. On the runway, Mr McCann read a brief statement, saying: 'Despite there being so much we wish to say, we are unable to do so, except to say this: we played no part in the disappearance of our lovely daughter, Madeleine.'
The family then went to their home in Rothley, Leicestershire.
Outside the house, Mrs McCann's uncle, Brian Kennedy, said: 'It has been a very emotional experience.
'In one way they're happy to be back but they have a mix of feelings as you would expect.
'It has been the most trying three or four days of their lives. They are very tired – shattered, as anyone would be.'


Read more: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/65377-social-services-and-police-probe-mccanns#ixzz1xcSEl937


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Re: Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

Post  tigger on Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:15 am

I read about a year ago - somewhere! - that the Cat file content was deleted by JG sometime before PdL. But sorry, can't remember where.

Staying in Portugal was, according to Dr. Ludke, a very a-typical thing to do. The instinct is to go home, where the presence of the lost one is stronger. To stay in a foreign country, whilst they were convinced she could be anywhere, makes no sense.

It's one of the things that's convinced me it was planned. They said they were going to learn Portuguese, Gerry told a journalist in June - when asked how long they'd stay - that the kids weren't due to start school for another three years and so on. Sightings in Belgium, Holland etc weren't broadcast as much as the Moroccon ones.

So, was there a reason they didn't want to go home?

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Re: Did Jim Gamble Sanitize Gerry McCann's CATS File 19309?

Post  Olympicana_Reloaded on Mon Jan 21, 2013 12:46 pm

Child and Woman Abuse Studies Unit (CWASU), London Metropolitan University

"Incest should not be treated as a criminal matter - it breaks up the family and children feel responsible"

Raping and sexually assaulting children are criminal offences. Incest has historically been hidden behind closed doors and regarded as the family's 'own business'. Sometimes, authorities have worked to keep the family together rather than prosecuting the perpetrator. This has enabled perpetrators to continue to offend both within and outside the family. Such men often go on to abuse grandchildren if there are no sanctions against them.

Many children when they finally tell are angry and want justice. Others are fearful of legal processes and their father going to prison - but this invariably turns out to be the result of the abuser warning them that this will happen if they tell.

Children suffer most if abuse continues and they are not protected. They also are further hurt if they are blamed or held responsible for the split in the family. Children are best helped when the authorities take the decision to prosecute out of their hands and make it clear that adults are responsible for sorting out the situation and keeping children safe.

http://www.cwasu.org/page_display.asp?pageid=STATS&pagekey=88&itemkey=92

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