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Police have finally admitted Madeleine was abducted

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 19.12.11 13:34

@aiyoyo wrote:She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”

kate the idiot is a fine one to accuse the Police. Did she answer police questions - it is concerning her daughter's life after all - did she give a damn? Was it because she knew Maddie is dead and pointless to answer?

Exactly, aiyoyo - Katey has a selective memory. A very selective memory... Good job ours are better!

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Post by jd on 19.12.11 14:24

@aiyoyo wrote:She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”

My favourite one was when she said the dogs were just having a 'sniff around'.....This is probably 'the' funniest thing I have ever heard in my life...simply hilarious as well as insulting peoples intelligence

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 19.12.11 15:18

@jd wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”

My favourite one was when she said the dogs were just having a 'sniff around'.....This is probably 'the' funniest thing I have ever heard in my life...simply hilarious as well as insulting peoples intelligence
Yep, spoken like they were next-door's poodles, not the highest-paid, highest trained police dogs available!
One wonders why the Army place so much faith in the dogs who sniff out incendiary devices etc. If you follow Kate's logic, they are just having a play, sniffing round. The fact they are saving lives is just a coincidental bonus side-effect!

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Post by aquila on 19.12.11 15:40

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@jd wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”

My favourite one was when she said the dogs were just having a 'sniff around'.....This is probably 'the' funniest thing I have ever heard in my life...simply hilarious as well as insulting peoples intelligence
Yep, spoken like they were next-door's poodles, not the highest-paid, highest trained police dogs available!
One wonders why the Army place so much faith in the dogs who sniff out incendiary devices etc. If you follow Kate's logic, they are just having a play, sniffing round. The fact they are saving lives is just a coincidental bonus side-effect!

Just out of interest, does anyone know if the McCann's had a pet? I'm resisting the urge to quote 'cuddle cat' but obviously I haven't.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 19.12.11 17:20

@aquila wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:
@jd wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”

My favourite one was when she said the dogs were just having a 'sniff around'.....This is probably 'the' funniest thing I have ever heard in my life...simply hilarious as well as insulting peoples intelligence
Yep, spoken like they were next-door's poodles, not the highest-paid, highest trained police dogs available!
One wonders why the Army place so much faith in the dogs who sniff out incendiary devices etc. If you follow Kate's logic, they are just having a play, sniffing round. The fact they are saving lives is just a coincidental bonus side-effect!

Just out of interest, does anyone know if the McCann's had a pet? I'm resisting the urge to quote 'cuddle cat' but obviously I haven't.
I would be very, very surprised... A pet would be far too much trouble. A dog? It'd always be in the kennels, poor thing...
No, they wouldn't be so flippant over Eddie and Keela if they had their own, I believe. I trust my dogs implicitly. And my cat. (More than most humans I know!)

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.12.11 17:42

I would put money on it that they don't have a pet. They don't seem to want to be at home with the twins these days as would rather jet around flogging Kate's bewk.

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Post by Marian on 19.12.11 18:27

Apologies for going off at a bit of a tangent but, apart from some home videos of Madeleine when she was younger and the "Madeleine was here" documentary in 2009, I don't remember ever seeing any footage inside the McCanns' house.

Now I know there's no reason really why they have to do that but, bearing in mind their love of publicity stunts, I'm surprised that we've never had any photos of Kate looking anguished in Madeleine's bedroom. The toys and belongings in there might actually give us an indication of what Madeleine was like, rather than the present situation when all we have been told of her are abstract things like being a character and full of personality.

A missed opportunity I feel.

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Post by Shibboleth on 19.12.11 18:56

@Gillyspot wrote:I would put money on it that they don't have a pet. They don't seem to want to be at home with the twins these days as would rather jet around flogging Kate's bewk.

They have a pet, it is called Antonella.

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Post by happychick on 19.12.11 19:02

@Shibboleth wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:I would put money on it that they don't have a pet. They don't seem to want to be at home with the twins these days as would rather jet around flogging Kate's bewk.

They have a pet, it is called Antonella.

laugh

They've also got a parrot called Clarence that repeats everything they say.

I can feel another thread about to go off topic laughat

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.12.11 19:06

rotfl rotfl

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.12.11 19:10

Back on topic the head of the Met was on twitter this afternoon answering questions from tweeps. Despite asking twice if SY had responded to FOI by Daily Star and said were using "abduction" word - no response - was I surprised? angrypcuser

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 19.12.11 20:59

@aiyoyo wrote:Daily Star FOI and reply they got from Norfolk Constabulary.




Freedom of Information Request Reference No:

I note you seek access to the following information:

Re: Freedom of Information Act 2000 Questions - Madeleine McCann Review Team Please answer the following questions in relation to the Madeleine McCann Review Team:

1. What is the precise remit of the Review Team?

2. When was that remit agreed?

3. Who decided the remit?

4. When completed, to whom will the Review Report be presented?

5. On 14 May 2011, the Daily Telegraph said that "Scotland Yard's new investigation is being overseen by Commander Simon Foy, one of the force's most experienced detectives". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is in overall command of this Review.

6. On 15 May 2011, the Daily Record said that " Scotland Yard said Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, would be the senior investigating officer in the case". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the senior investigating officer in the case.

7. On 15 May 2011, the Independent on Sunday said that "Mr. Redwood will report to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, Homicide and Serious Crimes Command (HSCC), operational command unit commander." Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the person in overall charge of the HSCC".

8. On 20 and 22 July 2011, an officer from the Intelligence Section of the Madeleine McCann Team, Sam, Pay No. 220629, stated that the policy of the Team was not to answer any correspondence. Please state whether or not this is the case.

9. Please state whether, if evidence or other information is sent to the Madeleine McCann Review Team, any acknowledgement of the receipt of that information will be given.

10. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a deadline for completing its review? If so, when is it?

11. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a budget? If so, what is it? Do the funds allocated to this Review Team come from the Home Office or from the Metropolitan Police Authority?


Following receipt of your request searches were conducted within the MPS to locate information relevant to your request.
DECISION

I have today decided to:

Answer questions 5, 6 , 7, 10 and 11 in full.

To refuse questions 8 and 9 by virtue of section 8 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (The Act) as an invalid request.

To exempt questions 1, 2, 3 and 4 by virtue of section 30 (1)(a)(b)(c) and section 31(1)(a)(b)(c) of the Act.

REASONS FOR DECISION

The following questions have been responded to in full:

Q5. On 14 May 2011, the Daily Telegraph said that "Scotland Yard's new investigation is being overseen by Commander Simon Foy, one of the force's most experienced detectives". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is in overall command of this Review.

Q6. On 15 May 2011, the Daily Record said that " Scotland Yard said Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, would be the senior investigating officer in the case". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the senior investigating officer in the case.

Q7. On 15 May 2011, the Independent on Sunday said that "Mr. Redwood will report to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, Homicide and Serious Crimes Command (HSCC), operational command unit commander." Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the person in overall charge of the HSCC".

The senior officer with oversight of the review is Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood is the Senior Investigating Officer. DCI Redwood reports to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.

Q10. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a deadline for completing its review? If so, when is it?

The review team does not have a deadline for the completion of its review.


Q11. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a budget? If so, what is it? Do the funds allocated to this Review Team come from the Home Office or from the Metropolitan Police Authority?

The MPS has allocated a team to deal with this and the Home Office have agreed to reimburse this cost. This is reviewed on a quarterly basis.



The following questions have been refused on the grounds that they do not constitute a valid request under the Act:

Q8. On 20 and 22 July 2011, an officer from the Intelligence Section of the Madeleine McCann Team, Sam, Pay No. 220629, stated that the policy of the Team was not to answer any correspondence. Please state whether or not this is the case.

Q9. Please state whether, if evidence or other information is sent to the Madeleine McCann Review Team, any acknowledgement of the receipt of that information will be given.

I have decided to refuse access to the information you have requested under the provisions of Section 8(2)(a)(b)(c) of the Act.

A request under the Act is required by statute to be legible and capable of being used for subsequent reference. After careful consideration, I have decided that your request does not meet this requirement as I am unable to ascertain what recorded information you have requested, as defined by Section 8(2)(c).

To enable us to meet your request could you please resubmit your application in accordance with the above requirements. If for any reason you are unable to do so, please contact me for assistance or seek assistance from any other available source.

I attach an excerpt from the Information Commissioner's website which may assist you in composing any future Freedom of Information requests.

What can I request under the Freedom of Information Act?

You have the right to request any information held by public authorities. The Act allows access to recorded information, such as emails, meeting minutes, research or reports held by public authorities in England, Northern Ireland and Wales and some authorities located in Scotland.

You have not made a request for recorded information which may be held by the MPS

but questions which require a confirmation of a statement. You will need to be specific as to the recorded information you require.

We will consider your resubmitted request upon receipt as long as it meets the requirements stated above. You will receive the information requested within the statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject to the information not being exempt.


The following questions are exempt by virtue of Section 30 (1)(a)(b)(c) and Section 31(1)(a)(b)(c) of the Act:

Q1. What is the precise remit of the Review Team?

Q2. When was that remit agreed?

Q3. Who decided the remit?

Q4. When completed, to whom will the Review Report be presented?

This information is exempt by virtue of Section 30(1)(a)(b)(c) and Section 31(1)(a)(b)(c) of the Act

Constituents of this information attract Section 30 and other constituents attract Section 31 of the Act. It should not be surmised that we are applying Sections 30 & 31 to the same pieces of information.

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From this FOI reply, I cant see how Daily Star arrived at the "police admitted it was an abduction" story?
Was it really Norfolk Constabulary? If so, why? That is my local patrol, so just wondering why they would be answering for the Met?

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