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Post by sammyc on 18.12.11 8:18

So top Police Officials at SY have given a gutter-press red-top paper the exclusive?

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Post by uppatoffee on 18.12.11 8:43

The statement from the family always seems to be the same in this type of article, "the family are pleased the review is making progress."

This is a nothing story. If the star had anything then surely they would actually have quoted it in the article. The fact they dont suggests that they are just trying to waste yet more column inches. After all, if the review really came out and said this, the McCanns would be out celebrating, probably in a tapas restaurant with friends and lots of wine. big grin

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.12.11 9:16

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police spokesman ­Simon Fisher told the Daily Star Sunday the terms
allowed for "investigating any sort of lead" from ­studying the files.

That is the most ambiguous term used by a journalist. So what terms ? are the police spokesman Simon Fisher now implying?

Notice the use plural. Abduction is singular.

So even if readers were to grant mccanns the use of the term ' abduction', it gives a whole new meaning because are they saying whereas before the police were investigating anything but 'that'.

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Post by sherlock on 18.12.11 9:24

Err excuse me, nowhere in that "statement" does it say that Maddie was abducted!

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.12.11 9:46

@sherlock wrote:Err excuse me, nowhere in that "statement" does it say that Maddie was abducted!

No direct statement from police, but a few times the word 'abducted' was littered throughout a few sentences.

They must be dead worried if they are spinning to this extent.

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Post by Willo on 18.12.11 9:49

Met police spokesman ­Simon Fisher told the Daily Star Sunday the terms
­allowed for "investigating any sort of lead" from ­studying the files.


From this statement the Daily star has cleverly deduced the bleedin'obvious : the 'abduction theory' is being investigated.

What the Daily Star fails to mention is that the other theories that will be investigated are murder, perjury, cruelty, neglect, fraud, manslaughter, animal cruelty, defamation and embezzlement.....the list goes on.

All aspects of this bizarre affair must be investigated. This surely has to be the case if the review is thorough and proper. I would hedge that the abduction theory would be the first aspect to review. If it can be discounted then time could be saved by having just the Tapas mob and associates to concentrate on rather than flying around the world chasing sightings and suspects etc.

A spokesman for the ­McCanns said: "We are pleased the review is ­making progress."

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Post by Shibboleth on 18.12.11 10:46

So. The Met Police have proof that Maddy was *abducted*. But they do not give it to the Government, or even the McCann, they give it to the Daily Star.
And the Daily Star do not print it, even though they must know that such an exclusive will make for them millions of pounds.

Does anyone actually believe this pile of horse shit?

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Post by tigger on 18.12.11 10:49

TM is still spinning like mad, it seems. Imo this is just to pre-empt the outcome of the trial in Lisbon, where there is no chance of such a statement being made by the judge.
So now they have a source to fall back on for when the trial goes against them. It's already been in the British press (much better than any foreign rubbish that the police themselves have admitted, etc. )Childish.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 18.12.11 12:06

I find it vaguely amusing (in as far as I find anything about this stinking rotten corpse of a case amusing) how the official spokesman trots out 'We are pleased the investigation is making progress' when the report is vaguely positive. However, note the difference in response to the police visit to Metodo 3 : 'Kate and Gerry will absolutely not be commenting whilst the review is in progress'. Do we take it, then, that Team McCann consider the review unmoving now? Wink

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 18.12.11 12:40

COULD A MODERATOR PLEASE DELETE THIS POST, I DIDN'T REALISE UNTIL IT WAS TOO LATE THAT BLACKBERRY HAD DOUBLE-POSTED.

Deleted as requested.

Unless the 'Star' publishes the answers to their FoIAct questions, we can be sure that the SY Review Team have given no indication whatsoever that they are 'certain' that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. The 'Star' will have further undermined whatever paper-thin basis anyone still has for believing that this tabloid prints the truth.

If there is any suggestion that any member of the SY Review Team could be communicating either indirectly or directly with the McCanns or their Team about the findings so far of the investigation, the independence and integrity of the review would be wholly compromised and there would be grounds for the team to be relieved of their duties.

The claims that in the 30 boxes removed by SY from Metodo 3 there are '8 promising leads' which the McCanns and Metodo 3 have sat on for three years is of course so laughable that it is unworthy of comment.

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Post by Guest on 18.12.11 12:46

And we have this from the Sunday Express..................



MADELEINE: SECRET FILES REVEAL FOUR 'SIGHTINGS' IN MOROCCO


The Spanish private detective agency’s secret files are key “sightings” of Madeleine in Morocco
Sunday December 18,2011


By EXCLUSIVE from James Murray


SCOTLAND YARD detectives have been given a vast dossier of unpublished details about possible sightings of Madeleine McCann that might provide a breakthrough in the four-year hunt.

Today the Sunday Express can reveal that among the Spanish private detective agency’s secret files are key “sightings” of Madeleine in Morocco.

Metodo 3 director general Francisco Marco Fernandez last week gave 30 boxes of documents to four Yard detectives at his office in Barcelona.

Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Express, the private eye said: “I think this could be a significant moment in the effort to discoverwhat happened to the child. I am very glad all our leads will now be looked at by the Yard because they are important.

“There were about eight interesting leads which they will examine but I cannot say any more because I have agreed total secrecy with Scotland Yard.”

He reluctantly spoke of four “interesting” sightings in Morocco after Madeleine, then aged four, disappeared from her ­holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, ­Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

There were about eight interesting leads which they will examine but I cannot say any more because I have agreed total secrecy with Scotland Yard

It is known there were two possible sightings in Marrakech: one was at a petrol ­station when a child strongly resembling her was seen going into a shop three months after she was snatched.

A witness told Metodo 3 she had the same unusual eye ­feature as Madeleine.

There was another sighting of a child resembling Madeleine at an ­adjacent hotel on the same day at around the same time.

In a third sighting, a Moroccan-looking woman was seen carrying a blonde-haired, white-skinned girl.

The child was eventually identified as the five-year-old daughter of an olive farmer.


Mr Fernandez would not say if any of the four sightings in the secret dossier were already known but said: “It is very intriguing information.

“We took inquiries as far as we could and then handed it over to the Portuguese police. We did it all in the proper way, wrote a report then gave it to Spanish police and they would pass it on to the Portuguese police for us.

“We never really heard back from the Portuguese so I can’t say what they did.”

Asked if he ever spoke to the former Portuguese detective in charge of the hunt, Goncalo Amaral, he frowned and shook his head. “Don’t talk to me about that man,” he said. “I can’t believe the things he said in his book. He got it so wrong.”

However, Mr Amaral told the Sunday Express that Metodo 3 never provided a strong lead. “They gave information about sightings but it was not enough and you could not prove it was Madeleine,” he said.

A source close to Metodo 3 said: “Officially or unofficially Metodo 3 have never stopped looking for Madeleine. It was the biggest job they were ever given. People literally went all over the world and it has become very personal for many of them.”

When Mr Fernandez was asked if Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, had requested him to hand over his files to the Yard, said: “Of course, I would need their permission but I am not going to say any more. All our ­dealings with the McCanns are confidential and private.”

In November the Scotland Yard detectives hunting for Madeleine spent two days talking to high-ranking Spanish detectives with expertise in organised crime syndicates in Spain and Portugal. Among theories being examined was that she was smuggled out of Portugal on a yacht which sailed to ­Barcelona.

At the city’s marina on May 7, 2007, a British holidaymaker told private investigators about a bizarre encounter.


In the early hours a woman asked him if he was about to deliver her “new” daughter.


That woman has never been traced.

The Yard’s activities have given new hope to doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, both 43, of Rothley, Leicestershire. Yesterday their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “They are very pleased that police are continuing to work and review the case and that progress is being made.

“They welcome this and hope the team will bring a new ­perspective to the case. For operational reasons we cannot comment on details of the review but it is a step in the right direction.”

Kate has criticised officers in the botched Portuguese investigation for not bothering to ­follow up leads in North Africa, particularly the sighting in Marrakesh.

In her book, Madeleine, she tells of her anger that little was done about the sighting at a petrol station near Marrakesh.


A month later police were told the witness had still not been interviewed.

She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/290600/Madeleine-Secret-files-reveal-four-sightings-in-Morocco


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Post by Guest on 18.12.11 13:05

Very interesting timing for these stories when perhaps a body might be inclined to give a little bit more to a charity or good cause. Not to mention on the eve of the publication of the fund accounts.

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Post by Daisy on 18.12.11 13:13

Molly wrote:Very interesting timing for these stories when perhaps a body might be inclined to give a little bit more to a charity or good cause. Not to mention on the eve of the publication of the fund accounts.

Hmmm.. good points Molly. Also, according to their official facebook page, they are launching their (rather late) christmas appeal this week. Yes interesting timing.

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Post by russiandoll on 18.12.11 16:48

why did the Spanish PIs who were paid to do so not follow up their own leads?
SY will surely be looking closely for the answer to that question if any of these wre key sightings, they will surely be looking at how much work was done by the PIs and what correspondence was there from the family to check on the progress they were making?
The criticism of the PJ is what this piece is really about, info passed to them which was not followed up, why were experienced PIs not able to follow these leads until the matter was resolved with a found child, or until it had gone cold, or could be discounted?

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 18.12.11 19:56

@russiandoll wrote:why did the Spanish PIs who were paid to do so not follow up their own leads?
SY will surely be looking closely for the answer to that question if any of these wre key sightings, they will surely be looking at how much work was done by the PIs and what correspondence was there from the family to check on the progress they were making?
The criticism of the PJ is what this piece is really about, info passed to them which was not followed up, why were experienced PIs not able to follow these leads until the matter was resolved with a found child, or until it had gone cold, or could be discounted?
I think you could be right, russiandoll, that the intent of this article is criticism of the PJ
However, as we know the case was shelved, pending any new credible evidence given to the PJ. So it follows that, if it is indeed true that these leads were passed on to th PJ by the PI's, they were neither new nor credible! Had they been, we would've seen the case re-open. The McCannites will try have us believe that the Portuguese police are so spiteful, and so jealous, that they would ignore credible sightings of a live, findable child purely on the grounds of professional and political jealousy. Its really not likely, is it?
IMO, there is one reason, and one reason only that no police force have actively been looking since late 2007. And the reason is not spite or jealousy...

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Post by aquila on 18.12.11 20:38

Given the current hoo-ha of the Leveson Inquiry, would a SY person offer any such specific info to the press? What would it achieve for them? I'm a bit miffed as to this 'case review'. I would have thought SY would not be reporting findings to the McCanns either. Can someone explain what SY's remit is exactly? It would be great if SY has stated their own remit for publication in the press - that would certainly clear a few things up. It's not clear to me but perhaps I haven't read enough. Oh, and who exactly is actively looking for Madeleine on TM's side (paid for by the Fund)?

Forgot to add...what's the Christmas Appeal for if no-one is actively searching for Madeleine other than 'continued awareness', a website and suing people?

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.12.11 6:34

Daily Star FOI and reply they got from Norfolk Constabulary.




Freedom of Information Request Reference No:

I note you seek access to the following information:

Re: Freedom of Information Act 2000 Questions - Madeleine McCann Review Team Please answer the following questions in relation to the Madeleine McCann Review Team:

1. What is the precise remit of the Review Team?

2. When was that remit agreed?

3. Who decided the remit?

4. When completed, to whom will the Review Report be presented?

5. On 14 May 2011, the Daily Telegraph said that "Scotland Yard's new investigation is being overseen by Commander Simon Foy, one of the force's most experienced detectives". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is in overall command of this Review.

6. On 15 May 2011, the Daily Record said that " Scotland Yard said Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, would be the senior investigating officer in the case". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the senior investigating officer in the case.

7. On 15 May 2011, the Independent on Sunday said that "Mr. Redwood will report to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, Homicide and Serious Crimes Command (HSCC), operational command unit commander." Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the person in overall charge of the HSCC".

8. On 20 and 22 July 2011, an officer from the Intelligence Section of the Madeleine McCann Team, Sam, Pay No. 220629, stated that the policy of the Team was not to answer any correspondence. Please state whether or not this is the case.

9. Please state whether, if evidence or other information is sent to the Madeleine McCann Review Team, any acknowledgement of the receipt of that information will be given.

10. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a deadline for completing its review? If so, when is it?

11. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a budget? If so, what is it? Do the funds allocated to this Review Team come from the Home Office or from the Metropolitan Police Authority?


Following receipt of your request searches were conducted within the MPS to locate information relevant to your request.
DECISION

I have today decided to:

Answer questions 5, 6 , 7, 10 and 11 in full.

To refuse questions 8 and 9 by virtue of section 8 of the Freedom of Information Act 2000 (The Act) as an invalid request.

To exempt questions 1, 2, 3 and 4 by virtue of section 30 (1)(a)(b)(c) and section 31(1)(a)(b)(c) of the Act.

REASONS FOR DECISION

The following questions have been responded to in full:

Q5. On 14 May 2011, the Daily Telegraph said that "Scotland Yard's new investigation is being overseen by Commander Simon Foy, one of the force's most experienced detectives". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is in overall command of this Review.

Q6. On 15 May 2011, the Daily Record said that " Scotland Yard said Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, from the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, would be the senior investigating officer in the case". Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the senior investigating officer in the case.

Q7. On 15 May 2011, the Independent on Sunday said that "Mr. Redwood will report to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell, Homicide and Serious Crimes Command (HSCC), operational command unit commander." Please either confirm that, or provide information as to who is the person in overall charge of the HSCC".

The senior officer with oversight of the review is Commander Simon Foy. Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Andy Redwood is the Senior Investigating Officer. DCI Redwood reports to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell.

Q10. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a deadline for completing its review? If so, when is it?

The review team does not have a deadline for the completion of its review.


Q11. Does the Madeleine McCann Review Team have a budget? If so, what is it? Do the funds allocated to this Review Team come from the Home Office or from the Metropolitan Police Authority?

The MPS has allocated a team to deal with this and the Home Office have agreed to reimburse this cost. This is reviewed on a quarterly basis.



The following questions have been refused on the grounds that they do not constitute a valid request under the Act:

Q8. On 20 and 22 July 2011, an officer from the Intelligence Section of the Madeleine McCann Team, Sam, Pay No. 220629, stated that the policy of the Team was not to answer any correspondence. Please state whether or not this is the case.

Q9. Please state whether, if evidence or other information is sent to the Madeleine McCann Review Team, any acknowledgement of the receipt of that information will be given.

I have decided to refuse access to the information you have requested under the provisions of Section 8(2)(a)(b)(c) of the Act.

A request under the Act is required by statute to be legible and capable of being used for subsequent reference. After careful consideration, I have decided that your request does not meet this requirement as I am unable to ascertain what recorded information you have requested, as defined by Section 8(2)(c).

To enable us to meet your request could you please resubmit your application in accordance with the above requirements. If for any reason you are unable to do so, please contact me for assistance or seek assistance from any other available source.

I attach an excerpt from the Information Commissioner's website which may assist you in composing any future Freedom of Information requests.

What can I request under the Freedom of Information Act?

You have the right to request any information held by public authorities. The Act allows access to recorded information, such as emails, meeting minutes, research or reports held by public authorities in England, Northern Ireland and Wales and some authorities located in Scotland.

You have not made a request for recorded information which may be held by the MPS

but questions which require a confirmation of a statement. You will need to be specific as to the recorded information you require.

We will consider your resubmitted request upon receipt as long as it meets the requirements stated above. You will receive the information requested within the statutory timescale of 20 working days as defined by the Act, subject to the information not being exempt.


The following questions are exempt by virtue of Section 30 (1)(a)(b)(c) and Section 31(1)(a)(b)(c) of the Act:

Q1. What is the precise remit of the Review Team?

Q2. When was that remit agreed?

Q3. Who decided the remit?

Q4. When completed, to whom will the Review Report be presented?

This information is exempt by virtue of Section 30(1)(a)(b)(c) and Section 31(1)(a)(b)(c) of the Act

Constituents of this information attract Section 30 and other constituents attract Section 31 of the Act. It should not be surmised that we are applying Sections 30 & 31 to the same pieces of information.

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From this FOI reply, I cant see how Daily Star arrived at the "police admitted it was an abduction" story?

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Post by Gillyspot on 19.12.11 7:08

I agree aiyoyo.

I too have searched the Met Police website & found only that FOI request and the Met refuse to state the remit of the review

Usual Daily/Sunday Star garbage - like the one about the signs on the walls informing paedos of a child alone.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.12.11 7:25

@rainbow-fairy wrote:I find it vaguely amusing (in as far as I find anything about this stinking rotten corpse of a case amusing) how the official spokesman trots out 'We are pleased the investigation is making progress' when the report is vaguely positive. However, note the difference in response to the police visit to Metodo 3 : 'Kate and Gerry will absolutely not be commenting whilst the review is in progress'. Do we take it, then, that Team McCann consider the review unmoving now? Wink

Its another case of their left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

If put under the spotlight again, what's betting CM is going to deny he ever made that comment.

So who is lying CM or M3 or the mccanns?

Their workers do their dirty work, take all the shit; while mccanns take the credit where it suited them and MONEY when they send they pet bull dog to do that bit of work for them.

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Post by aiyoyo on 19.12.11 7:27

@Gillyspot wrote:I agree aiyoyo.

I too have searched the Met Police website & found only that FOI request and the Met refuse to state the remit of the review

Usual Daily/Sunday Star garbage - like the one about the signs on the walls informing paedos of a child alone.

Ye Gods, that was the most demented piece the mccanns came up with.. a reflection of their state of mind!

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 19.12.11 11:32

candyfloss wrote:And we have this from the Sunday Express..................



MADELEINE: SECRET FILES REVEAL FOUR 'SIGHTINGS' IN MOROCCO


The Spanish private detective agency’s secret files are key “sightings” of Madeleine in Morocco
Sunday December 18,2011


By EXCLUSIVE from James Murray


SCOTLAND YARD detectives have been given a vast dossier of unpublished details about possible sightings of Madeleine McCann that might provide a breakthrough in the four-year hunt.

Today the Sunday Express can reveal that among the Spanish private detective agency’s secret files are key “sightings” of Madeleine in Morocco.

Metodo 3 director general Francisco Marco Fernandez last week gave 30 boxes of documents to four Yard detectives at his office in Barcelona.

Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Express, the private eye said: “I think this could be a significant moment in the effort to discoverwhat happened to the child.I am hoping so too, but not in the way you mean, Mr Marco... I am very glad all our leads will now be looked at by the Yard because they are important.

“There were about eight interesting leads which they will examine but I cannot say any more because I have agreed total secrecy with Scotland Yard.”It seems to me you don't quite understand the meaning of 'total secrecy'

He reluctantly spoke of four “interesting” sightings in Morocco after Madeleine, then aged four, disappeared from her ­holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, ­Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

There were about eight interesting leads which they will examine but I cannot say any more because I have agreed total secrecy with Scotland Yard All these 'interesting' leads! I'm so interested to know what is interesting about them!!!br />
It is known there were two possible sightings in Marrakech: one was at a petrol ­station when a child strongly resembling her was seen going into a shop three months after she was snatched.

A witness told Metodo 3 she had the same unusual eye ­feature as Madeleine.Now that is interesting! What 'unusual eye feature' would that be? The McCanns are now having us believe Madeleine didn't have an 'unusual eye feature'

There was another sighting of a child resembling Madeleine at an ­adjacent hotel on the same day at around the same time.

In a third sighting, a Moroccan-looking woman was seen carrying a blonde-haired, white-skinned girl. Cor, blimey! A blonde-haired, white-skinned girl! Police! Get there NOW! It has to be Madeleine!

The child was eventually identified as the five-year-old daughter of an olive farmer. So why even mention it, then? It just shows how ridiculous your 'interesting sightings' really are


Mr Fernandez would not say if any of the four sightings in the secret dossier were already known but said: “It is very intriguing information.

“We took inquiries as far as we could and then handed it over to the Portuguese police. We did it all in the proper way, wrote a report then gave it to Spanish police and they would pass it on to the Portuguese police for us.

“We never really heard back from the Portuguese so I can’t say what they did.” Why would you hear back??? The police obviously could see they were worthless.

Asked if he ever spoke to the former Portuguese detective in charge of the hunt, Goncalo Amaral, he frowned and shook his head. “Don’t talk to me about that man,” he said. “I can’t believe the things he said in his book. He got it so wrong.” Did he? And of course, you got it all right (which is why we now know where a live or dead Maddie is. Oh, actually, oops...

However, Mr Amaral told the Sunday Express that Metodo 3 never provided a strong lead. “They gave information about sightings but it was not enough and you could not prove it was Madeleine,” he said. Exactly!

A source close to Metodo 3 said: “Officially or unofficially Metodo 3 have never stopped looking for Madeleine. It was the biggest job they were ever given. People literally went all over the world and it has become very personal for many of them.”And very profitable, too, methinks...

When Mr Fernandez was asked if Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, had requested him to hand over his files to the Yard, said: “Of course, I would need their permission but I am not going to say any more. All our ­dealings with the McCanns are confidential and private.”If the Yard had a warrant for the documents, Kate and Gerry's permission or otherwise would become irrelevant

In November the Scotland Yard detectives hunting for Madeleine spent two days talking to high-ranking Spanish detectives with expertise in organised crime syndicates in Spain and Portugal. Among theories being examined was that she was smuggled out of Portugal on a yacht which sailed to ­Barcelona.

At the city’s marina on May 7, 2007, a British holidaymaker told private investigators about a bizarre encounter.


In the early hours a woman asked him if he was about to deliver her “new” daughter.


That woman has never been traced.

The Yard’s activities have given new hope to doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, both 43, of Rothley, Leicestershire. Yesterday their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “They are very pleased that police are continuing to work and review the case and that progress is being made.

“They welcome this and hope the team will bring a new ­perspective to the case. For operational reasons we cannot comment on details of the review but it is a step in the right direction.”

Kate has criticised officers in the botched Portuguese investigation for not bothering to ­follow up leads in North Africa, particularly the sighting in Marrakesh.

In her book, Madeleine, she tells of her anger that little was done about the sighting at a petrol station near Marrakesh.


A month later police were told the witness had still not been interviewed.

She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”Very true Kate. But I think you'd take more care not to lose your car radio, wouldn't you???


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/290600/Madeleine-Secret-files-reveal-four-sightings-in-Morocco


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Post by aiyoyo on 19.12.11 12:34

She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”

kate the idiot is a fine one to accuse the Police. Did she answer police questions - it is concerning her daughter's life after all - did she give a damn? Was it because she knew Maddie is dead and pointless to answer?


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Post by aquila on 19.12.11 12:59

@rainbow-fairy wrote:
candyfloss wrote:And we have this from the Sunday Express..................



MADELEINE: SECRET FILES REVEAL FOUR 'SIGHTINGS' IN MOROCCO


The Spanish private detective agency’s secret files are key “sightings” of Madeleine in Morocco
Sunday December 18,2011


By EXCLUSIVE from James Murray


SCOTLAND YARD detectives have been given a vast dossier of unpublished details about possible sightings of Madeleine McCann that might provide a breakthrough in the four-year hunt.

Today the Sunday Express can reveal that among the Spanish private detective agency’s secret files are key “sightings” of Madeleine in Morocco.

Metodo 3 director general Francisco Marco Fernandez last week gave 30 boxes of documents to four Yard detectives at his office in Barcelona.

Speaking exclusively to the Sunday Express, the private eye said: “I think this could be a significant moment in the effort to discoverwhat happened to the child.I am hoping so too, but not in the way you mean, Mr Marco... I am very glad all our leads will now be looked at by the Yard because they are important.

“There were about eight interesting leads which they will examine but I cannot say any more because I have agreed total secrecy with Scotland Yard.”It seems to me you don't quite understand the meaning of 'total secrecy'

He reluctantly spoke of four “interesting” sightings in Morocco after Madeleine, then aged four, disappeared from her ­holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, ­Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

There were about eight interesting leads which they will examine but I cannot say any more because I have agreed total secrecy with Scotland Yard All these 'interesting' leads! I'm so interested to know what is interesting about them!!!br />
It is known there were two possible sightings in Marrakech: one was at a petrol ­station when a child strongly resembling her was seen going into a shop three months after she was snatched.

A witness told Metodo 3 she had the same unusual eye ­feature as Madeleine.Now that is interesting! What 'unusual eye feature' would that be? The McCanns are now having us believe Madeleine didn't have an 'unusual eye feature'

There was another sighting of a child resembling Madeleine at an ­adjacent hotel on the same day at around the same time.

In a third sighting, a Moroccan-looking woman was seen carrying a blonde-haired, white-skinned girl. Cor, blimey! A blonde-haired, white-skinned girl! Police! Get there NOW! It has to be Madeleine!

The child was eventually identified as the five-year-old daughter of an olive farmer. So why even mention it, then? It just shows how ridiculous your 'interesting sightings' really are


Mr Fernandez would not say if any of the four sightings in the secret dossier were already known but said: “It is very intriguing information.

“We took inquiries as far as we could and then handed it over to the Portuguese police. We did it all in the proper way, wrote a report then gave it to Spanish police and they would pass it on to the Portuguese police for us.

“We never really heard back from the Portuguese so I can’t say what they did.” Why would you hear back??? The police obviously could see they were worthless.

Asked if he ever spoke to the former Portuguese detective in charge of the hunt, Goncalo Amaral, he frowned and shook his head. “Don’t talk to me about that man,” he said. “I can’t believe the things he said in his book. He got it so wrong.” Did he? And of course, you got it all right (which is why we now know where a live or dead Maddie is. Oh, actually, oops...

However, Mr Amaral told the Sunday Express that Metodo 3 never provided a strong lead. “They gave information about sightings but it was not enough and you could not prove it was Madeleine,” he said. Exactly!

A source close to Metodo 3 said: “Officially or unofficially Metodo 3 have never stopped looking for Madeleine. It was the biggest job they were ever given. People literally went all over the world and it has become very personal for many of them.”And very profitable, too, methinks...

When Mr Fernandez was asked if Madeleine’s parents, Gerry and Kate McCann, had requested him to hand over his files to the Yard, said: “Of course, I would need their permission but I am not going to say any more. All our ­dealings with the McCanns are confidential and private.”If the Yard had a warrant for the documents, Kate and Gerry's permission or otherwise would become irrelevant

In November the Scotland Yard detectives hunting for Madeleine spent two days talking to high-ranking Spanish detectives with expertise in organised crime syndicates in Spain and Portugal. Among theories being examined was that she was smuggled out of Portugal on a yacht which sailed to ­Barcelona.

At the city’s marina on May 7, 2007, a British holidaymaker told private investigators about a bizarre encounter.


In the early hours a woman asked him if he was about to deliver her “new” daughter.


That woman has never been traced.

The Yard’s activities have given new hope to doctors Kate and Gerry McCann, both 43, of Rothley, Leicestershire. Yesterday their spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “They are very pleased that police are continuing to work and review the case and that progress is being made.

“They welcome this and hope the team will bring a new ­perspective to the case. For operational reasons we cannot comment on details of the review but it is a step in the right direction.”

Kate has criticised officers in the botched Portuguese investigation for not bothering to ­follow up leads in North Africa, particularly the sighting in Marrakesh.

In her book, Madeleine, she tells of her anger that little was done about the sighting at a petrol station near Marrakesh.


A month later police were told the witness had still not been interviewed.

She writes: “It was intolerable. This was our daughter’s life they were dealing with, not a stolen car radio.”Very true Kate. But I think you'd take more care not to lose your car radio, wouldn't you???


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/290600/Madeleine-Secret-files-reveal-four-sightings-in-Morocco


I take the snatch plate for my car radio and put it in my handbag (after putting it in its case) just on the offhand my car radio gets snatched.

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