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Post by Guest on 06.01.12 18:15

I wonder if they will start producing jigsaw puzzles (different sizes and numbers of pieces to appeal to all ages) with one crucial piece missing.

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Post by Guest on 06.01.12 20:47

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:From the Infohost website

Madeleine McCann
The leading Highlands and Islands IT Specialists!

On the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her neice. The website was setup that day as www.bringmadeleinehome.com.

Is that the same website that was set up the year before Maddie 'disappeared'?


Looking at the web archive for that site, the first archive is on 25 aug 2007. It doesn't show when it was created but that is the first archived instance of the page.

The first two archives (25 aug 2007 and 28 aug 2007) show the 2006 date. By the time of the next archive 12 Sep 2007 the date has changed to 2007..

I'm not a web developer, but the text is just part of the page footer content and is just text that would have to be typed into the tags.. Therefore I can't see why it would say 2006. I doubt if the website creation software would come with a copyright year as part of the page footer.. suppose it's possible a web developer could have reused a prexisting site that maybe already had a copyright text in the footer ...

This is from the first archive on 25 aug 2007: (had to remove tags so text could be displayed):

div class="page_footer" align="center" div class="page_footer_content" div class="dotted_line_blue" img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152im_/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/theme_shim.gif" height="1" width="1" alt=" " div p class="text_footer" span class="text_menu_no_space" © 2006 Find Madeleine Fund Online Store span  a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/cgi-bin/mf000001.pl?ACTION=SHOWFORM" class="link_footer" Contact Us a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Privacy Policy
href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Terms & Conds div

FILE ARCHIVED ON 8:11:52 Aug 25, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:16:07 Jan 6, 2012.

This is from 12 sept 2007:

span class="text_menu_no_space" © 2007 Find Madeleine Fund Online Store span   href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070912092152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/cgi-bin/mf000001.pl?ACTION=SHOWFORM" class="link_footer" Contact Us a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070912092152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Privacy Policy
href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070912092152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Terms & Conds div


FILE ARCHIVED ON 9:21:52 Sep 12, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:28:13 Jan 6, 2012.

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Post by tigger on 07.01.12 8:40

This is from the interview with Dr. Ludke: see sticky topic for the whole interview. Didn't want to post all of it but this always struck me.

WELT ONLINE: It means, the McCanns planned the death of their daughter?

Lüdke: Yes, it is possible that they planned this a long time ago, they must at least have played it through in their minds many times and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each other.

This backs up the 2006 date imo.

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Re: findmadeleine.com

Post by jd on 07.01.12 9:16

@tigger wrote:This is from the interview with Dr. Ludke: see sticky topic for the whole interview. Didn't want to post all of it but this always struck me.

WELT ONLINE: It means, the McCanns planned the death of their daughter?

Lüdke: Yes, it is possible that they planned this a long time ago, they must at least have played it through in their minds many times and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each other.

This backs up the 2006 date imo.

But they are contradicting each other...massively

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Post by tigger on 07.01.12 9:29

@jd wrote:
@tigger wrote:This is from the interview with Dr. Ludke: see sticky topic for the whole interview. Didn't want to post all of it but this always struck me.

WELT ONLINE: It means, the McCanns planned the death of their daughter?

Lüdke: Yes, it is possible that they planned this a long time ago, they must at least have played it through in their minds many times and they must have spoken about it together. Otherwise they would now be contradicting each other.

This backs up the 2006 date imo.

But they are contradicting each other...massively

I don't really think so, certainly not in the beginning, which is what counts. They never expected to have to go over the same ground year after year, by now it is likely imo that inconsistencies slip in. Imo it wasn't so much a plan to 'put Maddie out of her misery' as putting them out of their misery of having a demanding child, one too many.

Basically, I think the whole plan went wrong on the 3rd, leaving no time for abduction as they had planned it in. The whole of evening of the 3rd didn't go as planned, therefore even then, some inconsistencies would creep in. (I've often wondered if the whole thing was first planned for the 2nd )
Imo they barely talk to each other now, Gerry is seen looking at Kate in a way that no loving husband should (see the Madrid photos).
But imo, they stuck to the basic story, the book certainly changed all that, I wonder if Gerry went through it before publication?

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Post by jd on 07.01.12 9:56

Murat did say "This is the biggest c**kup in history"....you are right they did mess it up. I did think for a while it could have preplanned before the holiday but after learning more facts I think it happened between April 28th - 30th April, though there is also things that indicate strongly May 2nd. Certainly not May 3rd. I agree to that I tend to feel they barely talk now but its too late they are all in it too deep

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Post by tigger on 07.01.12 14:16

@jd wrote:Murat did say "This is the biggest c**kup in history"....you are right they did mess it up. I did think for a while it could have preplanned before the holiday but after learning more facts I think it happened between April 28th - 30th April, though there is also things that indicate strongly May 2nd. Certainly not May 3rd. I agree to that I tend to feel they barely talk now but its too late they are all in it too deep

I'm sorry, but I think the idea at least, came a lot earlier. The actual execution of the idea - the staged abduction - imo was developed in PdL. I think they'd never thought it would be so difficult, they didn't do a dry run, so they created a impossible situation.
Maddie was always a difficult child and she seems barely present in PdL, either recorded (creche etc.) or in recollection. Based on the phone and creche records, I'd go for an early 'accident' and demise not later than the 1st May.

The whole TM circus was operational way too early - even allowing for the kind of people they are, there is a normal period of adjusting to the loss. If it was unforeseen that she'd fall ill and died, a period of mourning or adjusting to the loss and the immediate problem of faking the abduction and the aftermath (lots of questioning) would not allow time to plan the next steps.
That's why I think they 'played' with the idea until it became reality. The 2006 date on the website may well be playing around with those early ideas.

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Post by jd on 07.01.12 14:30

You say Maddie was a difficult child, this what the mccanns & cronies would like you to believe for some reason. But when reading statements from witnesses who saw her during the holiday, staff, they all seem to say how sweet and quiet she was...I would believe what they say than any mccann or cronies

Maybe a lot of the planning was for done them? by a certain company, and a certain individual (possible 2) who I cannot name for libel reasons but seems to have had an apartment in OC for a number of years prior to 2007. Now his influence would certainly answer why TM circus quickly got under way. I can fully see why you think it may have preplanned before the holiday though, I think a few more revelations will point us in the right direction now


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Post by tigger on 07.01.12 15:08

jd wrote: You say Maddie was a difficult child, this what the mccanns & cronies would like you to believe for some reason. But when reading statements from witnesses who saw her during the holiday, staff, they all seem to say how sweet and quiet she was...I would believe what they say than any mccann or cronies unquote

We have no evidence to prove that the witnesses who saw her during the holiday, or the staff at the creche actually saw Maddie, they all said she was very shy, exactly the opposite of what the family and T7 said, they said she was very lively and not at all shy.
I still think she was ill and medicated a lot of the time. Although I feel that a stand-in complicates the case, I think it is quite possible that was done.
In fact one of the first witnesses on the 4th of May described a girl who was very blond (it was a guest I think). The two photographs which were circulated immediately were of a two-year old Maddie, automatically people would link this to children they had seen around, neither of the photographs resembled Maddie at nearly four years old, light brown hair, taller than 90 cm. ...etc.

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Post by Pershing36 on 09.01.12 10:36

I find Infohosts involvement in this very shady. The website is hosted by Fasthosts, not Infohost. If you look up Infohost's portfolio (available on a Google search) it has a long list on websites. However start clicking on them and most are now dead links, others are just single pages with a company name and number. It doesn't give me the impression of a thriving internet hosting company. Infohost has a page dedicated to Madeliene, however it still does not tell you what input they had in it.

If they are not hosting it what are they doing and what cost £37,000?

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Post by Lady-Heather on 09.01.12 11:01

That £37,000 sounds more like an annual salary for a senior web developer .. as discussed previously that amount is unrealistic for a one-off setup, even with annual maintenance & support.

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Post by Mariita on 07.07.12 13:33

Have you seen this man? is the question next to a photo of the "abductor" as Jane saw him... This will make people (well, some) believe that there is actually a photo, and now I have found another blog here in Sweden that uses the same image claiming it´s real. I wrote about this in another thread, but apparently findmadeleine.com use the same method. Someone here on the forum told me the image is from "madeleine was here" (I think so, can´t find it now). "The man was seen outside the apartment"....

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 07.07.12 15:04

Stewie wrote:
Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:From the Infohost website

Madeleine McCann
The leading Highlands and Islands IT Specialists!

On the 6th of May Infohost received a call from Philomena McCann, Madeleine's aunt, asking if they would set up a website to help find her neice. The website was setup that day as www.bringmadeleinehome.com.

Is that the same website that was set up the year before Maddie 'disappeared'?


Looking at the web archive for that site, the first archive is on 25 aug 2007. It doesn't show when it was created but that is the first archived instance of the page.

The first two archives (25 aug 2007 and 28 aug 2007) show the 2006 date. By the time of the next archive 12 Sep 2007 the date has changed to 2007..

I'm not a web developer, but the text is just part of the page footer content and is just text that would have to be typed into the tags.. Therefore I can't see why it would say 2006. I doubt if the website creation software would come with a copyright year as part of the page footer.. suppose it's possible a web developer could have reused a prexisting site that maybe already had a copyright text in the footer ...

This is from the first archive on 25 aug 2007: (had to remove tags so text could be displayed):

div class="page_footer" align="center" div class="page_footer_content" div class="dotted_line_blue" img src="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152im_/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/theme_shim.gif" height="1" width="1" alt=" " div p class="text_footer" span class="text_menu_no_space" © 2006 Find Madeleine Fund Online Store span  a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/cgi-bin/mf000001.pl?ACTION=SHOWFORM" class="link_footer" Contact Us a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Privacy Policy
href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070825081152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Terms & Conds div

FILE ARCHIVED ON 8:11:52 Aug 25, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:16:07 Jan 6, 2012.

This is from 12 sept 2007:

span class="text_menu_no_space" © 2007 Find Madeleine Fund Online Store span   href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070912092152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/cgi-bin/mf000001.pl?ACTION=SHOWFORM" class="link_footer" Contact Us a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070912092152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Privacy Policy
href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070912092152/http://store.findmadeleine.com/acatalog/info.html" class="link_footer" Terms & Conds div


FILE ARCHIVED ON 9:21:52 Sep 12, 2007 AND RETRIEVED FROM THE
INTERNET ARCHIVE ON 20:28:13 Jan 6, 2012.

Bit crazy. Most people will use a commercial template or one of their own previous designs as a template - that's where the copyright 2006 will have come from. It's going overboard to claim this proves premeditation!

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Post by tigger on 07.07.12 21:35



6 May 2007
1st - OFFICIAL WEBSITE LAUNCHED AS
www.bringmadeleinehome.com 
 
 
 Day 13 - 16/05/2007
www.findmadeleine.com LINKED TO:
www.bringmadeleinehome.com
This is the day the Fund is launched.

DAY 23 6/05/2007
3rd - OFFICIAL WEBSITE REGISTERED AS
www.cuddlecat.co.uk   - LINKED TO
www.findmadeleine.com  - LINKED TO
www.bringmadeleinehome.com  Domain tools
 
 DAY 26 - 29/05/2007
4th- OFFICIAL WEBSITE REGISTERED AS
www.cuddlecat.org.uk - LINKED TO
www.cuddlecat.co.uk - LINKED TO
www.findmadeleine.com - LINKED TO
www.bringmadeleinehome.com 
 
 
If you enlarge the screenshots below, you will see that the original versions of the official site asked people to 'Help find Madenleine'. It is surprising that this glaring error was carried thoughtlessly over from the original 'bringmadeleinehome.com' site without correction.

Sorry - didn't manage to transfer the screenshot which can be found on McCannfiles.




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Post by Guest on 01.02.13 11:15

on their message of support page on their website

Messages of Support

We are currently updating our messages of support application. If you would like to send a support message, please leave us a message on our Facebook page.



Wonder why ?

And ironicly this is what they put on their FB page yesterday


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Post by PeterMac on 01.02.13 11:36

The last sentences on the "missing-children" page always make me wince.

" My thoughts of the fear, confusion and loss of love and security that my precious daughter has had to endure are unbearable - crippling. And yet I am not the victim, Madeleine is. No child should EVER have to experience something so terrible."

Like being ABANDONED by her own parents for six nights in succession, whilst she cried inconsolably for an hour and a quarter.
I think that qualifies as fear, confusion, loss of love and security, doesn't it.

But, hang on. There is no evidence of harm. So this "terrible" thing doesn't count as "harm" ?

What world are they living in?

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Post by Guest on 01.02.13 12:05

@PeterMac wrote:The last sentences on the "missing-children" page always make me wince.

" My thoughts of the fear, confusion and loss of love and security that my precious daughter has had to endure are unbearable - crippling. And yet I am not the victim, Madeleine is. No child should EVER have to experience something so terrible."

Like being ABANDONED by her own parents for six nights in succession, whilst she cried inconsolably for an hour and a quarter.
I think that qualifies as fear, confusion, loss of love and security, doesn't it.

But, hang on. There is no evidence of harm. So this "terrible" thing doesn't count as "harm" ?

What world are they living in?

Good point, I thought they was sure she was beeing loved by someone else and no evidence of harm or anything so how does she know she is in fear ? And what about : and yet I am not the victim, She almost sound bitter !

And yes what is that terrible thing? She don't tell us so we can't tell it for her !

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Post by Guest on 01.02.13 12:40

Madeleine is being treated like a princess by the paedophile who took her, so I understand.

Well, there certainly are allegations as to what royalty and their mates get up to!

Kate must be falling about laughing when she pens nonsense like this.

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