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Post by j.rob on 15.02.15 16:48

I've just had an idea. I wonder to what extent the McCanns managed to implicate the nannies and Mark Warner? As we know, they will do anything possible to absolve themselves of responsibility and try to pin the blame on everyone but themselves. 

Suppose something happened to Madeleine early on that week? My theory is that 'something' had happened by Monday or Tuesday at the latest. Kate makes no record of what they did on Monday during the day, whereas she gives quite detailed fabrications accounts of activities of Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday.

I suppose this is where the substitute child theory might come in. As a stand-in at the creche for Madeleine. While it sounds far-fetched it is extremely peculiar that the early campaign to find Madeleine featured a child who looked far younger than Madeleine McCann. And also put great emphasis on a coloboma.

Whereas Madeleine McCann did not have a coloboma. How could they ever have pulled this off in the long run? 

If the creche signing in and out register was sloppy, and TM were able to get away with passing off another child as Madeleine McCann, then that does start to implicate Mark Warner to some extent. Why did the nannies not notice? Or, alternatively, why did they turn a blind eye?

In addition it is possible the nannies agreed to do the type of 'baby-listening' checks as a favour, for instance? Or, as mentioned above, one or several were supposed to be babysitting that fateful Thursday evening but sat on the terrace smoking and drinking so allowing for the possibility of 'an abductor'? Not suggesting that really did happen, but just possible scenarios as to the roles of the nannies.

Or maybe one or several of the nannies were 'in' on the McScam and privy to certain events of Thursday evening and the preceding days?

Mark Warner do seem to have bent over backwards to support the McCanns. Sending out Alex Woolfall, a PR crisis-management specialist from Bell Pottinger. Plus, I imagine, also being instrumental in arranging for the Friday 4th May arrival at the scene of heavyweights Ambassador John Buck; British Consul for Lisbon, Liz Dow as well as drafting in Alan Pike, a trauma psychologist from the Centre for Crisis Psychology (CPP) in North Yorkshire.

Kate described Alan in her book as: "a saviour."

Both Alex and Andy Bowes (British Embassy press officer also drafted in to help) were instrumental in helping the McCanns with their televised appeal. Arranging for the appeal to be handled on a 'pooled' basis, which meant that one company - the BBC - were chosen to record it and they would then distribute the film to all the other media outlest. 

Plus Mark Warner appear to have been very generous in terms of free food and drinks and free accomodation for quite a long time. In addition to supplying free accomodation for nearly two months, they also loaned an apartment to the McCanns to use as an office, according to Kate. During at least some of this time Gerry McCann (and Kate?) were on unpaid work leave. As they both work for the NHS, this would obviously be funded by UK tax-payers.

It was only on 2nd July - nearly two months after Madeleine's alleged 'abduction' that the McCann were turfed out of their free accommodation by Mark Warner. "Apartment 4G was no longer available," writes Kate, "and I think this perhaps prompted Mark Warner to try to ease us out."

Nevertheless, Sean and Amelie were still welcome at Toddler Club and Mark Warner carried on allowing the family to use their pool. 

The staff also opened up the Toddler Club on 'the first change-over' day (Saturday) after Madeleine's 'abduction', Saturday, so Sean and Amelie and their friends' children could be looked after and entertained.

Given that, based on the McCann's version of events, the McCanns (and their friends) knew there was no 'baby-listening' service as in many other resorts, but instead the options of a night creche, hiring a babysitter or dining together with their children, it was TM, rather than MW, who were negligent surely?

Just how many people were/are in on the McScam?

Part of me wonders whether - at least in terms of the media exposure - this was a Murdoch backed Scam. Playing heavily on the tragic cases of other abducted and missing children which generated such massive media interest. (And bearing in mind the lengths that the media would go to - such as hacking into Milly Dowler's phone, for instance.) 

Who is paying off so many people in order to keep the real truth from emerging?

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Post by G-Unit on 15.02.15 22:20

Mark Warner did indeed bend over backwards for the McCanns and their family and friends, which could suggest some sort of guilt. Donna Hill was interviewed (for the first time as far as I can see) at the beginning of 2014 at the request of SY, it is alleged; 
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/new-madeleine-mccann-probe-chief-4793108

The Mirror mentions lost or stolen keys as the reason for the interview, but Mrs Hill was in charge of childcare in 2007; nothing to do with keys. 

When Kate McCann was interviewed on 6th September 2007 she mentions putting medicines away before going out. She doesn't mention Terfenadine, an antihistamine, but Gerry McCann does in his interview on 7th. 
 
Terfenadine was taken off the market in the US in 1998 due to it's side effects, and was available only on prescription in the UK, I think. The McCann's GP had not seen Gerry or the twins at all and had seen Kate only once. This suggests that Gerry could have been self-prescribing, which, while not illegal, was against GMC rules except in an emergency.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RICHARD_SCHOFIELD.htm

Antihistamines have been used to sedate children and for terminal care, although this is not their primary purpose;


  • Topically on the eye to treat allergic conjunctivitis, allergic rhinitis and on the skin for pruritus (eg, bites where they have limited efficacy and may cause sensitisation).

  • Nausea and vertigo - eg, cinnarizine, cyclizine.

  • Cough suppressants.

  • Terminal care for their sedating and anti-emetic effects.

  • Sometimes prescribed as sedatives for children (unlicensed, and not recommended).://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/antihistamines-pro


If a doctor self prescribed Terfenadine and then it was found in the system of his child he would be disciplined and could be struck off. Children do get hold of medicines and parents are usually treated sympathetically, but probably not if they left the children home alone and the medicines (self prescribed by their father) in a place where they were easily found. 

A childcare worker could have fallen asleep while babysitting and a sedated (?) child wandered out of an apartment or climbed on some furniture and injured itself.

Here is a link showing kids at Mark Warner with bracelets, holding the 'snake'.
http://www.markwarner.co.uk/sun-holidays/greece/levante-beach/childcare

Cat Baker (rogatory) says she wrote out Madeleine's bracelet showing allergies etc. BEFORE meeting the family;
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAT_BAKER.htm 

There was no bracelet on Madeleine's right  arm in any of the photos of course, but googling 'Mark Warner kids club pics' shows that the bracelets are not always present anyway.

All of the above suggests possible reasons for different people to cover up a death. If such a decision was to be taken by Mark Warner it would have to be by someone very high up I feel, not by those on the ground. John Hill mentioned a couple of times that there was no evidence of an abduction. 

Having said all that, I find it unbelievable that any such cover-up would occur to anyone. I, however, have never been in a position where my company could lose it's ATOL licence or I could lose my licence to practice my profession. 

All my opinions of course, using the information available to me.

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Post by sharonl on 16.09.15 20:57

According to Kate McCann, on May 1st 07, they hired a buggy and took the three children to the beach for afternoon, returning them to the crèche for the last hour and a half.

According to the crèche records, the children were back at the crèche promptly at 2.30pm where they stayed until 5.30pm

If the collection time is correct, then Kate is saying that the children were placed back at their creches at 4.00pm

According to Cat Baker, she took her group, including Madeleine, to the beach at 3.30 - 4.30 pm

In addition to this, we have Kate claiming that the mini tennis event occurred on Tuesday when the crèche records show that it took place on Monday.

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Post by Verdi on 16.09.15 23:21

@sharonl wrote:According to Kate McCann, on May 1st 07, they hired a buggy and took the three children to the beach for afternoon, returning them to the crèche for the last hour and a half.

According to the crèche records, the children were back at the crèche promptly at 2.30pm where they stayed until 5.30pm

If the collection time is correct, then Kate is saying that the children were placed back at their creches at 4.00pm

According to Cat Baker, she took her group, including Madeleine, to the beach at 3.30 - 4.30 pm

In addition to this, we have Kate claiming that the mini tennis event occurred on Tuesday when the crèche records show that it took place on Monday.
I can understand that outdoor creche club activities need to be adjusted if the weather is inclement but has the switch for 10.00/11.00am on Wednesday and Thursday ever been explained?


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Post by worriedmum on 16.09.15 23:26

Slightly OT but if a buggy was hired for a beach trip is there any reason it couldn't also be hired for trips to the Millenium Club??

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Post by DaTroof on 16.09.15 23:39

@sharonl wrote:According to Kate McCann, on May 1st 07, they hired a buggy and took the three children to the beach for afternoon, returning them to the crèche for the last hour and a half.

According to the crèche records, the children were back at the crèche promptly at 2.30pm where they stayed until 5.30pm

If the collection time is correct, then Kate is saying that the children were placed back at their creches at 4.00pm

According to Cat Baker, she took her group, including Madeleine, to the beach at 3.30 - 4.30 pm

In addition to this, we have Kate claiming that the mini tennis event occurred on Tuesday when the crèche records show that it took place on Monday.

It is almost certain that the McCann trip to the beach happened on Monday, if it happened at all. The children were returned to the crèche well after 3pm on Monday, and Kate says the mini tennis was on same day s beach trip. Mini tennis was on Monday so chances are beach trip was Monday.

It is also worth noting that Kate never explicitly says the beach trip was on Tuesday.

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Post by skyrocket on 17.09.15 7:57

Just for the record, this was the first interview CB had with the police, dated 4 May:

*CATRIONA B.*

In our informal conversation with Catriona Trease Sisile B., also known as CAT, she stated:

1. That she arrived on March 21st 2007 and that she plans to return to the UK on November 7th 2007;
2. That she cared for Madeleine since Sunday April 29th 2007, daily until yesterday and that she always worked the same hours;
3. That yesterday Madeleine arrived at 9.10. It was her father, Gerry, who brought her;
4. That her mother, Kate, picked her up at 12.25;
5. That her mother, Kate, dropped her off at 14.50 and picked her up at 17.30;
6. That in the same room as Madeleine, there were 6 other children in the morning and 4 in the afternoon (including Madeleine);
7. That she did not see any strangers in the complex during that time or previous days.
8. That on the first day, Madeleine was shy. On the following days she was more calm and uninhibited. Yesterday she was joyful.
9. That she was never far from Madeleine, keeping her under visual supervision at all times when she was her responsibility, even asking her permission to go to the bathroom;
10. That, over the days, she noticed no change in the behaviour of the child's parents;
11. That she noticed no abnormal situation relating to this family;
12. That Madeleine had not told her about any person who had contacted [spoken to] her in recent days, nor [about] any possibly suspicious conversation.


The only other nanny talked to on that day was Stacey Potz.

A comment made at the same time, which is attributable to Donna Hill as she was the one liaising with the PJ re: the nanny interviews, has always stuck in my mind:

'That it was not possible to speak with the rest of the carers, notably Shinead, because most of them were
absent and there exists higher priority work;
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Post by Tony Bennett on 21.09.15 17:53

@skyrocket wrote:Just for the record, this was the first interview CB had with the police, dated 4 May:

*CATRIONA B.*

In our informal conversation with Catriona Trease Sisile B., also known as CAT, she stated:

1. That she arrived on March 21st 2007 and that she plans to return to the UK on November 7th 2007;

Of course, Cat Baker expanded on that when questioned in depth on 10 May by the PJ, when she said:  

"I have been in Portugal since March 21st of this year and this is my first visit to the country...My contract started on 21st March 21 and ends on 7th November 2007.

But one year later, talking to Leicestershire Police on 18 April, she contradicted herself:

"I work in childcare – I was contracted by Mark Warner in June of 2006. The first time I went to Portugal was the 21st of March 2006 where I worked as a childcare worker in the Ocean Club Village, Praia da Luz. I went to a work interview and was contracted for one year by Mark Warner in June of 2006."


Why, when first questioned, did she deny having worked in Portugal the previous year?

And just how close was she to the McCanns before May 2007?

She soon met up with them again after her stint in Greece ended on 7 November 2007:

Cat Baker, the McCanns and the twins on their way to church in Rothley; yet one more photo opportunity for the McCanns:




Cat Baker was Facebook friends in 2006 with the daughter of Madeleine's godfather, Jon Corner - Chloe Corner - and still is today.

Jon Corner, like senior Freemason Edward Smethurst, and irishman Martin Smith was a regular visitor to Praia da Luz.

How well did some of these folk know each other before May 2007?

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Post by sharonl on 21.09.15 21:09

Cat told the PJ that she had a lot of experience as a nanny prior to her 2007 engagement with the Ocean Club

On researching some time ago (so I will have to check this) Cat was around 20 in 2007. She attended Northampton University which would have taken her past the age of 19.  Where and when did all this past experience come from?

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Post by sharonl on 17.02.16 23:09

Catriona Lamerique (nee Baker) now working for Posh Kids http://www.poshkidsmag.com/editor-s-blog

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Post by kaz on 18.02.16 9:49

@sharonl wrote:Catriona Lamerique (nee Baker)  now working for Posh Kids http://www.poshkidsmag.com/editor-s-blog

 And here's a quote from Catriona on the Posh Kids blog.......'' Nowadays your child can some what be a like for like mini you, when it comes to both child and parent fashion...........'' WHAT? Apart from 'mini me' ( an expression that  I recognise from somewhere else  )  what is this  woman on about?

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Post by pennylane on 18.02.16 10:31

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@skyrocket wrote:Just for the record, this was the first interview CB had with the police, dated 4 May:

*CATRIONA B.*

In our informal conversation with Catriona Trease Sisile B., also known as CAT, she stated:

1. That she arrived on March 21st 2007 and that she plans to return to the UK on November 7th 2007;

Of course, Cat Baker expanded on that when questioned in depth on 10 May by the PJ, when she said:  

"I have been in Portugal since March 21st of this year and this is my first visit to the country...My contract started on 21st March 21 and ends on 7th November 2007.

But one year later, talking to Leicestershire Police on 18 April, she contradicted herself:

"I work in childcare – I was contracted by Mark Warner in June of 2006. The first time I went to Portugal was the 21st of March 2006 where I worked as a childcare worker in the Ocean Club Village, Praia da Luz. I went to a work interview and was contracted for one year by Mark Warner in June of 2006."


Why, when first questioned, did she deny having worked in Portugal the previous year?

And just how close was she to the McCanns before May 2007?
Tony the date being reported as on exactly the same day on the 21st March 2006 & 2007 points to an error and nothing untoward (imo).  If Cat was contracted by MW in June it would have been the previous June 2006 as she was working at MW in March 2007.

It should read 'contracted June 2006 and began working March 2007' surely, which makes sense.

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Post by Columbo on 18.02.16 15:12

@kaz wrote:
@sharonl wrote:Catriona Lamerique (nee Baker)  now working for Posh Kids http://www.poshkidsmag.com/editor-s-blog

 And here's a quote from Catriona on the Posh Kids blog.......'' Nowadays your child can some what be a like for like mini you, when it comes to both child and parent fashion...........'' WHAT? Apart from 'mini me' ( an expression that  I recognise from somewhere else  )  what is this  woman on about?
After just a quick look, it's apparent that site needs a good proof-reader or sub editor.

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Post by HelenMeg on 19.02.16 22:17

@Columbo wrote:
@kaz wrote:
@sharonl wrote:Catriona Lamerique (nee Baker)  now working for Posh Kids http://www.poshkidsmag.com/editor-s-blog

 And here's a quote from Catriona on the Posh Kids blog.......'' Nowadays your child can some what be a like for like mini you, when it comes to both child and parent fashion...........'' WHAT? Apart from 'mini me' ( an expression that  I recognise from somewhere else  )  what is this  woman on about?
After just a quick look, it's apparent that site needs a good proof-reader or sub editor.
Yes agree - did she buy her way in? She does appear to have a great flair for writing IMO


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Post by Doug D on 20.02.16 8:59

Ocean Club, 2007 was obviously a good career move.
 
Charlotte Pennington:
 
‘Head of Fashion at Cosmopolitan UK and Head of UK Fashion at Marie Claire UK’
 
Cat Baker (Lamerique):
 
‘Editor in Chief of Posh Kids Magazine’

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Post by pennylane on 20.02.16 9:27

@Doug D wrote:Ocean Club, 2007 was obviously a good career move.
 
Charlotte Pennington:
 
‘Head of Fashion at Cosmopolitan UK and Head of UK Fashion at Marie Claire UK’
 
Cat Baker (Lamerique):
 
‘Editor in Chief of Posh Kids Magazine’

I'm sorry but I can't seem to find any proof these are the same, other than in name only. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?


eta I've found a link for cat baker, thanks:

Author: Cat Lamerique
About The Author
Editor In Chief, Catriona Lamerique, Born in Manchester, England has always had an eye for Fashion. Growing up watching award shows and fashion shows always inspired her to one day work in the fashion industry. As a mum she is extremely humbled to be able to bring her love of both adult and child fashion together. After meeting with the Publisher of Posh Kids Magazine, it became clear to them she was the one to lead the editorial team.

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Post by pennylane on 20.02.16 10:28

@HelenMeg wrote:
@Columbo wrote:
@kaz wrote:
@sharonl wrote:Catriona Lamerique (nee Baker)  now working for Posh Kids http://www.poshkidsmag.com/editor-s-blog

 And here's a quote from Catriona on the Posh Kids blog.......'' Nowadays your child can some what be a like for like mini you, when it comes to both child and parent fashion...........'' WHAT? Apart from 'mini me' ( an expression that  I recognise from somewhere else  )  what is this  woman on about?
After just a quick look, it's apparent that site needs a good proof-reader or sub editor.
Yes agree - did she buy her way in? She does appear to have a great flair for writing IMO


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Post by Doug D on 20.02.16 11:34

Charlotte Pennington thread here:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3253p210-charlotte-pennington?highlight=charlotte+pennington

Also see that Cat has cut right back on her 'friends' and has 'unfriended' Chloe Corner.

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Post by pennylane on 20.02.16 13:49

@Doug D wrote:Charlotte Pennington thread here:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t3253p210-charlotte-pennington?highlight=charlotte+pennington

Also see that Cat has cut right back on her 'friends' and has 'unfriended' Chloe Corner.
Thanks Doug

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Post by kaz on 20.02.16 17:40

From Posh kids....................'' .Harlow was destined to be a model. Her mom is a photographer who loves to take photos of her beautiful little girl, who has mastered the camera. She has the prettiest blonde hair and piercing blue eyes. Harlow also loves horses and clearly has a passion for fashion! She likes to have fun with her style by wearing tutu's and fun dresses. Her beauty shines bright through her photos, I can only imagine how bright it is in person!...............................''

You know, maybe I'm being old fashioned her, but I don't like this. Accompanied by a picture of beautiful blonde girl  , it makes me uncomfortable. What has happened to our children that they are lauded for solely for their 'beauty?' TUTU'S ? Tutus surely?

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Post by kaz on 21.02.16 12:29

@pennylane wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:
@Columbo wrote:
@kaz wrote:
@sharonl wrote:Catriona Lamerique (nee Baker)  now working for Posh Kids http://www.poshkidsmag.com/editor-s-blog

 And here's a quote from Catriona on the Posh Kids blog.......'' Nowadays your child can some what be a like for like mini you, when it comes to both child and parent fashion...........'' WHAT? Apart from 'mini me' ( an expression that  I recognise from somewhere else  )  what is this  woman on about?
After just a quick look, it's apparent that site needs a good proof-reader or sub editor.
Yes agree - did she buy her way in? She does appear to have a great flair for writing IMO


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I don't know about 'writing' skills. From what I've read she should stick to signing creche sheets for forgetful parents!!

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