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Post by ShuBob on 29.09.12 0:09

O/T: Mark Williams-Thomas is happy to mention the police tracker dogs in his theory but makes no room for the other police dogs- Eddie and Keela. Talk about picking and choosing the evidence to fit one's theory! Where is his evidence that the tracker dogs are any more reliable than cadaver and/or blood dogs?

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Post by Guest on 29.09.12 0:28

IIRC Mark Williams Thomas's theory dates back to early 2008. He might want to phrase some things differently nowadays ... [?]

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Post by PeterMac on 29.09.12 11:05

Back on thread, Daily Mail today.
TV host Jimmy Savile sexually abused 10 girls during career peak, documentary to reveal
Jim'll Fix It star alleged to have given girls cash, cigarettes and records in return for 'sexual favours'
'Explosive' documentary set to be screened on ITV next Wednesday
Family hits out against the 'one-sided' programme that 'cashes in' on a man who can't defend himself

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210108/TV-host-Jimmy-Savile-sexually-abused-10-girls-career-peak-documentary-reveal.html

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Post by Guest on 29.09.12 11:16

I was no fan of Jimmy's - he made my flesh crawl - but this programme should have been made and shown while he was alive.

Anyone could pop up and say that they were molested 30 or 40 years ago, there's no way of proving or disproving it.

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Post by ShuBob on 29.09.12 12:02

Châtelaine wrote:IIRC Mark Williams Thomas's theory dates back to early 2008. He might want to phrase some things differently nowadays ... [?]

But he knew about both sets of dogs at the time he gave his theory. Why make allowance for one set but totally dismiss the other set? The man has no credibility in my eyes.

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Post by aiyoyo on 29.09.12 18:27

Jean wrote:I was no fan of Jimmy's - he made my flesh crawl - but this programme should have been made and shown while he was alive.

Anyone could pop up and say that they were molested 30 or 40 years ago, there's no way of proving or disproving it.

Not possible because he would put an injunction on it.
Even post his dead, it is never too late to expose him.
If report is true, he was just a cheap skate pervert.

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Post by PeterMac on 29.09.12 22:51

@aiyoyo wrote:. . .
If report is true, he was just a cheap skate pervert.
Like Cyril Smith, (incidentally from Rochdale, where the long term and systematic abuse of young white girls by Muslim men has just begun to be exposed. They are asking why it has been covered up for so long. Rochdale clearly has a long standing culture of "cover up".

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Post by PeterMac on 30.09.12 8:10

[quote]'We colluded with Jimmy Savile as a child abuser': Esther Rantzen sensationally claims people in TV 'blocked our ears' to rumours
Broadcaster Esther Rantzen has told how some in television 'blocked our ears' to claims about Jimmy Savile
Rantzen said Savile was made into a 'god-like figure'
Savile is accused of sexually abusing children in a documentary featuring the testimonies of four women {/quote]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Esther-Rantzen-We-colluded-Jimmy-Saville-child-abuser.html

Blocked our ears - God-like figure ? That reminds me of something.

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Post by tigger on 30.09.12 9:59

This has the photograph on it of JS in Jersey. Interesting article. JS sued the Sun in 2008 ....

Get to be a habit with some people it seems.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860

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Post by bobbin on 30.09.12 11:20

@tigger wrote:This has the photograph on it of JS in Jersey. Interesting article. JS sued the Sun in 2008 ....

Get to be a habit with some people it seems.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860

I can't get the site to open. Have you got a copy of the article and photo saved. It might all have been blocked by now.

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Post by tigger on 30.09.12 11:38

@bobbin wrote:
@tigger wrote:This has the photograph on it of JS in Jersey. Interesting article. JS sued the Sun in 2008 ....

Get to be a habit with some people it seems.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860

I can't get the site to open. Have you got a copy of the article and photo saved. It might all have been blocked by now.





I hope this works. I can't open it any longer either, an hour or so ago it worked fine!

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Post by PeterMac on 30.09.12 11:41

Here is the photo,


Jimmy Savile, star of children’s television favourite Jim’ll Fix It, sued the Sun in 2008 over a series of articles linking him to Haut de la Garenne, the Jersey children’s home where human remains were found and children were allegedly tortured and sexually abused.
He initially denied ever visiting the home, despite photographic evidence to the contrary.

Leeds-based firm Fox Hayes has commenced legal action against The Sun newspaper on behalf of TV personality Jimmy Savile.

Savile, the star of children’s television favourite Jim’ll Fix It, decided to start proceedings against the Rupert Murdoch paper after a series of articles linked the former Radio One DJ with Jersey children’s home Haut de la Garenne.

The police are currently investigating the care home after human remains were found at the residence where children were allegedly tortured and sexually abused.

On 1 March, Savile’s solicitors said, The Sun carried a photograph of the former Top of the Pops presenter allegedly visiting the Jersey home.

This was followed with a series of articles.
One asserted that Savile was unwilling to assist with the police investigation and another that he admitted having visited the home.
The Sun also criticised Savile for being unprepared to “go some way to fixing it for the victims”.

Last week (14 March), Savile said the entire coverage linking him with the events at the children’s home was repugnant.

“I feel as though I have been subjected to a long and drawn out mugging by The Sun newspaper.
The only difference is that its journalists do not wear hoodies,” said Savile.

Fox Hayes, which has instructed barrister Jonathan Crystal of Cloisters, added that Savile has no connection to the events that have taken place at the Jersey children’s home and has no information that might assist the authorities.

A spokesman for the firm said: “He has no recollection of visiting the home over 30 years ago and any such visit would have been unexceptional.
Connecting Sir James to events at the home has caused him severe embarrassment and upset.

“The reported events are the antithesis of everything Sir James has worked tirelessly to prevent.”

http://www.thelawyer.com/jimmy-savile-turns-to-fox-hayes-for-action-against-the-sun/131780.article

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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 11:42

'We colluded with Jimmy Savile as a child abuser': Esther Rantzen sensationally claims people in TV 'blocked our ears' to rumours

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Esther-Rantzen-We-colluded-Jimmy-Saville-child-abuser.html#ixzz27wrWgrdF



Absolutely shocking. As one of the comments at the bottom of the article says 'too little too late' and if all these people knew they should be ashamed!

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Post by tigger on 30.09.12 11:43

I found it 'hiding' behind the first photograph you get when you google JS and Haut de la Garenne. The photograph is superimposed on the article. I expect the site no longer exists, so for safety's sake I've copied it here. The content is very controversial so mod!!!! please take note. However, it is in the public domain.
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Death of a Showman: Jimmy Saville 1926-2011
By T Stokes on November 1, 2011

T Stokes – October 31, 2011

The death of Jimmy Saville marks the end of the line for a man who lived a Jekyll and Hyde like existence.

On the one hand Jimmy was the flamboyant pop presenter who appeared regularly on TV and radio and seemed to personify much of the Swinging Sixties. On the other was a far less well known man who inhabited a hidden world where figures from politics and entertainment mixed alongside criminals to gratify their perverted lusts.

In the early seventies a young boy just into his teens was picked up for stealing sweets in a Hampstead supermarket. The boy had already been warned by staff previously so the police collected him and took him to the station where under questioning he disclosed the of names of various men, many in the public eye, who took boys out from the care home where he lived.

The boy had a sexually transmitted disease and the police doctor refused to let the matter drop. Under questioning the boy revealed that others from the home were meeting men on Hampstead Heath for pocket money at a well-known place for homosexual pickups.

He told how one young boy, small for his age with a large mop of curly blonde hair would loiter around public toilets near the Heath, and when a man approached him a group of other boys who had been hiding behind bushes would jump on the man, beat and rob him.

Known as “poof bashing” the boys thought themselves safe from prosecution, as their victims would be unlikely to report the crime to police.

At the time a secret investigation into sexual abuse by priests called Operation Templeman uncovered widespread sexual abuse by the clergy.

It was said that paedophiles thought they had it made if they joined the clergy, although at the time no one thought to ask why the church had drawn such people into its ranks.

However, the abuse wasn’t confined to the Catholic clergy. A well-known IRA man during a deathbed confession sacrament told of kinky parties in Dublin and London, where young boys were brought by a well-known figure in the underworld who, my sources affirm, was East End gangster Ronnie Kray.

Apparently Kray had access to many London care homes and would have boys delivered to parties at DJ Alan ” fluff” Freeman’s large flat over a music shop in East London. There they would meet with show biz types and DJs including Jimmy Saville, Joe Meeks and on occasion Beatles manager Brian Epstein.

Saville was among several men well known to local police, in fact Saville instigated the DJ disco genre solely to gain access to boys, and at that time, many of the DJs wanted access to androgynous scooter riding boys with their make up and Carnaby Street clothes.

The old beat policeman who patrolled the streets around my central London flat told me told me that the whole the eastern region crime squad based at Rigg approach, East London was being disbanded at the time through corruption, homosexuality and funny handshakes.

Now I have worked with many freemasons over the years and most of the lower degrees are fine. However, the higher in degree the more morally questionable they become. Until the very senior Masonic degrees all have an unhealthy interest in the occult and sexual perversion.

The eastern crime squad knew about the Kray gangsters and the sex parties known as ” Pink ballets ” with young lads but let them continue,

I have often wondered why? In much the same way that Fred West held kinky parties over the years often with high flyers. Social workers and the police were well aware of Fred’s activities but looked the other way. Why? Who were they covering for?

The Krays endeared themselves to the British public after the IRA bombed the East London waterworks, when Reg Kray announced that if the IRA bombed once more every Irish pub and club the length of Britain would be destroyed.

Such was the Kray’s fearsome reputation that for some time after there was no more bombings.

There is a saying in intelligence circles that; “only the enemy is in front of you, and every other bugger is behind you”. The Soviets were so successful in recruiting beautiful women to honey trap intelligence operatives, politicians and key personnel working far from home, that they decided to employ homosexuals.

This, they discovered was a big mistake as most homosexuals are very promiscuous. Rothschild’s Cambridge apostles for instance, were almost all of this type and easy to lead astray, blackmail or threaten with exposure. Guy Burgess is on record as saying that single sex boarding schools and universities were a breeding ground for such homosexuals; where bullying or “fagging” the younger boys gave rise to the term “faggot”.

When Guy Burgess himself defected to Russia his hosts were horrified to discover that he had brought with him his collection of Jane Austen books, together with a poke bonnet and a dress from the period for himself.

Indeed the British establishment has had more than its fair share of such characters: some who have been elevated to national heroes while others, like Burgess, have been condemned as traitors.

In the end analysis however, whether heroes or traitors, they both have the same perverted lusts, which have been used as a means to control them by their masters.

Winston Churchill’s original Sandhurst file, for example, described him as an idle layabout and a confirmed sodomite who was a menace to the younger boys.

Meanwhile the young boy caught shoplifting in the Hampstead supermarket disclosed the names of many top people using the boys, but an angry senior detective told me that Sir Anthony Blunt, the Keeper of the Queen’s pictures had the inquiry squashed from the highest levels.

There’s a saying in Intelligence circles: “a socialist will only promote another socialist and a homosexual will only promote another homosexual“ and there is some truth in this. A case in point being Maurice Oldfield: who was installed as intelligence chief on the recommendation of Lord Rothschild. Once Oldfield took the post he in turn promoted other homosexuals in the service, before being sacked by Margaret Thatcher in 1980 as details of visits by young boys to his home reached her.

People ask why all these care home abuse scandals are being hushed up? And what about the missing kids who, some estimates number in the hundreds?

It may be because Tony Blair’s Children’s Minister Margaret Hodge (Oppenheimer) was said to be totally incompetent; or that Peter Mandelson who is chief Trustee of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty Children also seemed to be looking the other way.

Yet their pal Rupert Murdoch was tapping the phones at these homes so if he knew why didn’t they? The whisper in some circles is that they were all in place to keep a lid on rather than expose goings on.

Young persons counselor, Karen Porter, said last night: “many young boys in various care homes can sleep easier in their beds now that Jimmy Saville has gone”

T Stokes London
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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 12:39

@bobbin wrote:
@tigger wrote:This has the photograph on it of JS in Jersey. Interesting article. JS sued the Sun in 2008 ....

Get to be a habit with some people it seems.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860

I can't get the site to open. Have you got a copy of the article and photo saved. It might all have been blocked by now.

The site works fine for me! I think that most of the content needs to be taken as unsubstantiated. I'd be interested to know if Karen Porter (mentioned right at the end) actually exists. If the forthcoming TV programme is to be believed, Jimmy was attracted to young teenage girls, not small boys.

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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 12:51

Tigger, do you have a link for that article as you have copied it from somewhere, so we can see where it has come from?

This from the Nephew of JS in the Telegraph.....

Nephew of Sir Jimmy Saville 'disgusted' at allegations of sexual abuse

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9576852/Nephew-of-Sir-Jimmy-Saville-disgusted-at-allegations-of-sexual-abuse.html



The BBC say they have searched their files and there is no evidence, and yet they were going to do a programme on him and it got pulled at the last minute. Esther Rantzen worked for the BBC for many years, what she says seems to contradict the BBC statement.



This from the Daily Mail article.....

The documentary also features damning contributions from former BBC production staff who reveal that the star’s predatory behaviour with girls as young as 12 was an open secret

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Jimmy-Savile-accused-sexual-predator-women-claim-abused-underage-schoolgirls.html#ixzz27x8rzRjx


Esther Rantzen from Daily Mail........

After viewing the documentary, Esther Rantzen has told how some in broadcasting ‘blocked our ears’ to claims about Jimmy Savile made during his career.

In an emotional interview, the broadcaster and Childline founder told The Mail on Sunday: ‘I feel that we in television, in his world, in some way colluded with him as a child abuser – because I now believe that’s what he was. We all blocked our ears. There was gossip, there were rumours.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210592/Jimmy-Savile-accused-sexual-predator-women-claim-abused-underage-schoolgirls.html#ixzz27x9Rg1yy

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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 13:07

Candyfloss, Tigger has produced a link to a blog site called The Truth Seeker but it doesn't work for everyone. I'm all right Jack though!

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860

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Post by Mumbles on 30.09.12 13:29

Jean wrote:
@bobbin wrote:
@tigger wrote:This has the photograph on it of JS in Jersey. Interesting article. JS sued the Sun in 2008 ....

Get to be a habit with some people it seems.

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=36860

I can't get the site to open. Have you got a copy of the article and photo saved. It might all have been blocked by now.

The site works fine for me! I think that most of the content needs to be taken as unsubstantiated. I'd be interested to know if Karen Porter (mentioned right at the end) actually exists. If the forthcoming TV programme is to be believed, Jimmy was attracted to young teenage girls, not small boys.

I'm not prepared to elaborate... but quite a lot of the things in the article that Tigger posted are in my opinion true.
I've had personal reasons for researching into the past of some of the people mentioned in it.

As for JS.... back in the early 70s I was told of an 'incident' involving Jimmy and a young lad on a train.
It was witnessed, accidentally, by the father of a person I was related to. (through marriage.)

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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 13:33

Thanks jean.

THis from Mark Williams-Thomas on twitter...........

Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas

Important to read this post by Esther - I never knew Jimmy well, I had heard rumours. http://tmi.me/xx87d



And Esther Rantzen original tweet to him.....

Esther Rantzen CBE‏@ERantzen

@mwilliamsthomasI never knew Jimmy well, I had heard rumours. When I listened to the testimony of adults talking ... http://tmi.me/xx87d

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Post by tigger on 30.09.12 13:45

candyfloss wrote:Thanks jean.

THis from Mark Williams-Thomas on twitter...........

Mark Williams-Thomas‏@mwilliamsthomas

Important to read this post by Esther - I never knew Jimmy well, I had heard rumours. http://tmi.me/xx87d



And Esther Rantzen original tweet to him.....

Esther Rantzen CBE‏@ERantzen

@mwilliamsthomasI never knew Jimmy well, I had heard rumours. When I listened to the testimony of adults talking ... http://tmi.me/xx87d

It's behaving very strangely. I came upon the site via google images (JS Haute de la Garenne) clicked on the top left image, clicked the image away and got the truthseeker. Now it doesn't work anymore for me either. Glad I copied it.
I believe the article. One of the Krays was a homosexual, was well known. I rather like the story of the Russians being rather innocent. I can believe it. Blunt was able to carry on for so long although lots of people knew he was the (5th?) man. It does make sense. You surround yourself with your own kind, whether that is your religion or your sexual orientation.

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Post by PeterMac on 30.09.12 13:59

Saville ? or Savile ?
Say vile.

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Post by aquila on 30.09.12 14:20

@PeterMac wrote:Saville ? or Savile ?
Say vile.

I don't know of anyone (REALLY) anyone who didn't find JS weird. I don't know of a single female friend that didn't find him creepy. It's amazing what the BBC can thrust at people in the belief that charitability excuses all things. Even as a young girl I found him a creep. He was too old and too odd to be a DJ. He used to make me shudder even when I was an adolescent. I couldn't stand Jim'll Fix It. He was even gross then. We are told in the press he was a good man and a living legend. I never believed that. He always looked like a sad old groper to me. The constant 'me dear old mum' references were awful in the extreme. I found the man hideous as did most people I know but we ignored it because it was on the telly and we didn't need to watch it. Sadly, those who were abused didn't need to watch telly. They were abused by these bastards who are teflon coated.

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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 14:34

My earliest memory of him is on the radio not TV so his appearance wasn't a problem then. It irritated my mother beyond words that he was always bragging about his good deeds and charity works. She felt as I do that you should do these things without publicity and not try to make yourself look like a great person in the eyes of the world.

I know it's minor compared with other things he may have done, but those filthy cigars bugged me! He clearly had no consideration for anyone around him. There was a fairly recent episode of Have I Got News For You (before the smoking ban but you just didn't see people smoking on TV shows) in which he lit up to the obvious annoyance of Ian Hislop who had the misfortune to be sitting next to him. However was he allowed to do that?

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VIDEO: Sir Jimmy Savile INAPPROPRIATE with 'Nolans' 14 year old sister

Post by HiDeHo on 30.09.12 17:13

Esther Rantzen's Twitter dialogue with Mark Williams-Thomas this morning




HiDeHo Twitter dialogue with Esther Rantzen and Mark Williams-Thomas




Video complete with Madeleine links

Sir Jimmy Savile INAPPROPRIATE with 'Nolans' 14 year old sister


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Post by Guest on 30.09.12 17:16

HideHo have moved your post here as it's being discussed on this thread.

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