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Post by nemesis/muratfan on 23.01.10 1:43

And so did those who posted Gaspers statement up.

Amaral was removed from the investigation in the beginning of October 2007.

Gaspers statements were made on October 24, 2007. Now this raises serious questions about the integrity of the PJ force and amaral.

Did the PJ pass on information to a officer who was retired.

Did Amaral forget to process the statement?:

Why did Amaral get a statement after he came off the case. And what about the secrecy laws.He is buggered now.

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Post by Avery on 23.01.10 4:54

nemesis wrote:And so did those who posted Gaspers statement up.

Amaral was removed from the investigation in the beginning of October 2007.

Gaspers statements were made on October 24, 2007. Now this raises serious questions about the integrity of the PJ force and amaral.

Did the PJ pass on information to a officer who was retired.

Did Amaral forget to process the statement?:

Why did Amaral get a statement after he came off the case. And what about the secrecy laws.He is buggered now.

Gaspars statements were made in May of 2007. Mr. Amaral was aware of the statement but the British police had not forwarded it to the PJ. Funny that Amaral was removed from the case about the time he requested the British send him a copy of the statement. It would seem the British police did not send the statement to the PJ until after they were sure Amaral was gone. Very strange and seems to suggest the statement might actually be of some importance.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 8:06

@Avery wrote:
nemesis wrote:And so did those who posted Gaspers statement up.

Amaral was removed from the investigation in the beginning of October 2007.

Gaspers statements were made on October 24, 2007. Now this raises serious questions about the integrity of the PJ force and amaral.

Did the PJ pass on information to a officer who was retired.

Did Amaral forget to process the statement?:

Why did Amaral get a statement after he came off the case. And what about the secrecy laws.He is buggered now.

Gaspars statements were made in May of 2007. Mr. Amaral was aware of the statement but the British police had not forwarded it to the PJ. Funny that Amaral was removed from the case about the time he requested the British send him a copy of the statement. It would seem the British police did not send the statement to the PJ until after they were sure Amaral was gone. Very strange and seems to suggest the statement might actually be of some importance.


Looking at it both ways it could also mean that Amaral was fixating on it and the LP knew what evidential value it actually had. The police collect hundreds of statements from people in crimes like this. I would suggest that they had better things to take up their time with.

It is of no evidential value.

I imagine that Leicester police feared that it would end up leaked all over the press. Oh.


Statements made on 16th May.

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Post by marigold on 23.01.10 14:42

@vaguely1 wrote:
@Avery wrote:
nemesis wrote:And so did those who posted Gaspers statement up.

Amaral was removed from the investigation in the beginning of October 2007.

Gaspers statements were made on October 24, 2007. Now this raises serious questions about the integrity of the PJ force and amaral.

Did the PJ pass on information to a officer who was retired.

Did Amaral forget to process the statement?:

Why did Amaral get a statement after he came off the case. And what about the secrecy laws.He is buggered now.

Gaspars statements were made in May of 2007. Mr. Amaral was aware of the statement but the British police had not forwarded it to the PJ. Funny that Amaral was removed from the case about the time he requested the British send him a copy of the statement. It would seem the British police did not send the statement to the PJ until after they were sure Amaral was gone. Very strange and seems to suggest the statement might actually be of some importance.


Looking at it both ways it could also mean that Amaral was fixating on it and the LP knew what evidential value it actually had. The police collect hundreds of statements from people in crimes like this. I would suggest that they had better things to take up their time with.

It is of no evidential value.

I imagine that Leicester police feared that it would end up leaked all over the press. Oh.


Statements made on 16th May.

'It is of no evidential value' Are you serious?! How do you know?
A child goes missing in Portugal, no trace whatsoever of an abduction. Dogs alert to cadaver scent in the apartment where she was last seen. Parents lie and refuse to answer questions. They make bizarre comments and appear relaxed and happy. A doctor then reports she has suspicions that all is not right with a member of their party. She states concerns that he is intererested in child pornography. However, this vital doctors statement is withheld from the Portugese police officers! Not only that but ANOTHER British health worker declares she recognises the member of the party, maybe as a perpetrator in a child abuse case. Couple this with images of Maddie in make up and posing coquettishly and and a huge warning light flashes up. This cannot just be dismissed. They are clearly being protected. Why? This case reminds me of Jon Benet Ramsay.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 14:46

I can't answer that because you have read my post as trying to explain away behaviour, when what I was trying to do was explain how the public don't normally see this kind of thing because they're not capable of understanding its significance and get all silly about it.

What does posing coquettishly mean? What make up? I just see a little girl smiling for photos. You seem to be reading something sexual in to that.



ETA, this statement, and the social worker's anonymous tip off do have no evidential value. I know you might want them to, or that you see it as too much of a coincidence to be ignored - fair enough, but what they would act as is pointers.

Being at DP was a member of the holidaying group, and not a stranger to Madeleine, he SHOULD, as SHOULD the parents, have been treated (in a non-confrontational way) as suspects from the moment the police arrived on the scene. The statement about someone imagining he watched child pornography has no evidential value, but what it does do is serve to create a lovely scandal on internet forums.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 14:48

Ramsey was a pageant princess plastered in make up and taught to pose like an adult.

Madeleine was a kid with an ice cream who smiled a lot in a grinny kind of way.

You see the two as similar??

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Post by marigold on 23.01.10 14:57

@vaguely1 wrote:I can't answer that because you have read my post as trying to explain away behaviour, when what I was trying to do was explain how the public don't normally see this kind of thing because they're not capable of understanding its significance and get all silly about it.

What does posing coquettishly mean? What make up? I just see a little girl smiling for photos. You seem to be reading something sexual in to that.

I really hope you're right and the photographs are just a little girl smiling for photos. To me and others, make up can be clearly seen and the ice cream photo just makes me feel uncomfortable. I will not accept any comments on the line of 'you seem to be reading something sexual in to that' as if anyone who questions the photos has a questionable mind. In many of the photos she look sad and I have yet to see one in which either parent or family friends are hugging her, she seems like an afterthought and their cuddles seem reserved for the twins.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 15:04

@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I can't answer that because you have read my post as trying to explain away behaviour, when what I was trying to do was explain how the public don't normally see this kind of thing because they're not capable of understanding its significance and get all silly about it.

What does posing coquettishly mean? What make up? I just see a little girl smiling for photos. You seem to be reading something sexual in to that.

I really hope you're right and the photographs are just a little girl smiling for photos. To me and others, make up can be clearly seen and the ice cream photo just makes me feel uncomfortable. I will not accept any comments on the line of 'you seem to be reading something sexual in to that' as if anyone who questions the photos has a questionable mind. In many of the photos she look sad and I have yet to see one in which either parent or family friends are hugging her, she seems like an afterthought and their cuddles seem reserved for the twins.

Have you seen their family photograph album, or have you only seen the photographs that have been released, the same ones as I've seen.

In fact you've never seen a photograph of lots of people hugging their children, but you wouldn't presume that they don't. Have you seen any pre-disappearance photographs of the twins being hugged, or post disappearance photos of the twins being hugged?

What is it about the ice-cream photograph that raises your concerns?

You are seeing a snap shot of family life - in the same way that you might watch five miserable episodes of Eastenders and presume you understand the last X amount of years of plot lines with no idea of what's happening to the characters who are not presently on the screen, and with no ability to look at the full picture of characters, their lives, their family time. You see what you are given by the press.

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Post by Autumn on 23.01.10 15:26

@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I can't answer that because you have read my post as trying to explain away behaviour, when what I was trying to do was explain how the public don't normally see this kind of thing because they're not capable of understanding its significance and get all silly about it.

What does posing coquettishly mean? What make up? I just see a little girl smiling for photos. You seem to be reading something sexual in to that.

I really hope you're right and the photographs are just a little girl smiling for photos. To me and others, make up can be clearly seen and the ice cream photo just makes me feel uncomfortable. I will not accept any comments on the line of 'you seem to be reading something sexual in to that' as if anyone who questions the photos has a questionable mind. In many of the photos she look sad and I have yet to see one in which either parent or family friends are hugging her, she seems like an afterthought and their cuddles seem reserved for the twins.

I feel the same as you about the photos, Marigold. Also brings to mind something Gerry said along the lines of 'at least wev got our family' - sadly, I don't think Madeleine was wanted or loved by her parents.
Amongst the first photos to be released to the public were of Madeleine with crimped hair and wearing make-up - it is thought that these may have been taken in the apartment. Not the usual sort of look for a 3 year old on holday.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 15:46

they weren't taken in Portugal. imho

She wasn't wearing make-up. imho.


There is two photos taken in the same place, looks almost like sitting on the bottom of a bunk bed or similar. One with crimped hair (from plaiting, not a crimper) and one with straight hair, recent hair cut, sitting with the twins.

Which room in the apartment do you believe them to have been taken in. I don't recall a pink room from the photos.

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Post by marigold on 23.01.10 15:53

@Autumn wrote:
@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I can't answer that because you have read my post as trying to explain away behaviour, when what I was trying to do was explain how the public don't normally see this kind of thing because they're not capable of understanding its significance and get all silly about it.

What does posing coquettishly mean? What make up? I just see a little girl smiling for photos. You seem to be reading something sexual in to that.

I really hope you're right and the photographs are just a little girl smiling for photos. To me and others, make up can be clearly seen and the ice cream photo just makes me feel uncomfortable. I will not accept any comments on the line of 'you seem to be reading something sexual in to that' as if anyone who questions the photos has a questionable mind. In many of the photos she look sad and I have yet to see one in which either parent or family friends are hugging her, she seems like an afterthought and their cuddles seem reserved for the twins.

I feel the same as you about the photos, Marigold. Also brings to mind something Gerry said along the lines of 'at least wev got our family' - sadly, I don't think Madeleine was wanted or loved by her parents.

I agree, Autumn. I don't think Madeleine was loved or wanted by her family either. The callous things they have said confirm it to me and yes, that crimped hair... !who crimps a 3 year old's hair?
Amongst the first photos to be released to the public were of Madeleine with crimped hair and wearing make-up - it is thought that these may have been taken in the apartment. Not the usual sort of look for a 3 year old on holday.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 15:54

There is two photos taken in the same place, looks almost like
sitting on the bottom of a bunk bed or similar. One with crimped hair
(from plaiting, not a crimper) and one with straight hair, recent hair
cut, sitting with the twins.

Which room in the apartment do you believe them to have been taken in. I don't recall a pink room from the photos.

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 15:54

What make up do you think she is wearing?

Have you really never seen a three year old with plaits before? You see that as a sign of possible sexual abuse?

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Post by marigold on 23.01.10 16:26

@vaguely1 wrote:What make up do you think she is wearing?

Have you really never seen a three year old with plaits before? You see that as a sign of possible sexual abuse?

Eyeliner, for one. Her hair was crimped, not plaited.

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Post by nemesis/muratfan on 23.01.10 16:42

The only perverts i believe are the ones who can read perverted things into a innocent photograph. (this is my personal opinion and not that of this board)

Here are the two photographs taken from Muratfans blog

http://brenryanandco.blogspot.com/2009/07/ice-cream-pics-from-jjp.html

JJP had them, yet decided not to tell people he had the real one, strange that

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Post by vaguely1 on 23.01.10 17:25

@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:What make up do you think she is wearing?

Have you really never seen a three year old with plaits before? You see that as a sign of possible sexual abuse?

Eyeliner, for one. Her hair was crimped, not plaited.



Her hair was crimped, because she had had her hair plaited. Crimping with a crimper leaves a different sort of crimp. more uniform and more frizzed. Plenty of people plait their kids hair.

Why do you think she has eye-liner on? Is it because she has dark lashes? My son looks like he has eye-liner on in photos - he doesn't though, he's just lucky to have dark lashes.

If you see sexual abuse in dark lashes and fuzzy hair then I despair.

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Post by bellatrix on 23.01.10 19:32

I see nothing wrong in these photos and I cant see make up either :scratch: I am puzzled people can be so judgemental as to say Madeleine wasnt loved or wanted just because the few photos released dont show what people want to see.I bet if scores of huggy kissy photos had been released these same people would have been jumping up and down whining spin,spin!!!!

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Post by aliberte2 on 23.01.10 20:59

@vaguely1 wrote:
@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:What make up do you think she is wearing?

Have you really never seen a three year old with plaits before? You see that as a sign of possible sexual abuse?

Eyeliner, for one. Her hair was crimped, not plaited.



Her hair was crimped, because she had had her hair plaited. Crimping with a crimper leaves a different sort of crimp. more uniform and more frizzed. Plenty of people plait their kids hair.

Why do you think she has eye-liner on? Is it because she has dark lashes? My son looks like he has eye-liner on in photos - he doesn't though, he's just lucky to have dark lashes.

If you see sexual abuse in dark lashes and fuzzy hair then I despair.

It is Worth Noting that Amelie McCann has the Very same Dark Lashes and you can See them Prominetly in the Photos of the McCanns ariving Back in England.

If it's Eye Liner and Mascara it's Rather Artfully Applied -- Like a Professional Makeup Artist - Women wish They Got Theirs to Look so Natural.

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Post by aliberte2 on 23.01.10 21:02

@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:I can't answer that because you have read my post as trying to explain away behaviour, when what I was trying to do was explain how the public don't normally see this kind of thing because they're not capable of understanding its significance and get all silly about it.

What does posing coquettishly mean? What make up? I just see a little girl smiling for photos. You seem to be reading something sexual in to that.

I really hope you're right and the photographs are just a little girl smiling for photos. To me and others, make up can be clearly seen and the ice cream photo just makes me feel uncomfortable. I will not accept any comments on the line of 'you seem to be reading something sexual in to that' as if anyone who questions the photos has a questionable mind. In many of the photos she look sad and I have yet to see one in which either parent or family friends are hugging her, she seems like an afterthought and their cuddles seem reserved for the twins.

There's a Picture of her Being Held By John McCann's Daugther.
There's a PIcture of Her being Held by Her Grandmother to Blow out the Twins' Birthday Candles (so much For the Favored Children Theory).
There's a Picture of Her Sitting in a Line with Her Other Cousins Beaming.
Why Would They release Photos of Her with Lots of Other People In them? Or ones in which Her Face Can't really be Seen?

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Post by aliberte2 on 23.01.10 21:04

The Ramseys were Not Covered Up, the Case was Botched by an Inexperienced Police Department from the Moment they Arrived on the Scene. Sometimes Incompetence is just Incompetence. The Boulder Police were Not Used to Homicide Investigations.

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Post by ufercoffy on 23.01.10 21:15

@aliberte2 wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:
@marigold wrote:
@vaguely1 wrote:What make up do you think she is wearing?

Have you really never seen a three year old with plaits before? You see that as a sign of possible sexual abuse?

Eyeliner, for one. Her hair was crimped, not plaited.



Her hair was crimped, because she had had her hair plaited. Crimping with a crimper leaves a different sort of crimp. more uniform and more frizzed. Plenty of people plait their kids hair.

Why do you think she has eye-liner on? Is it because she has dark lashes? My son looks like he has eye-liner on in photos - he doesn't though, he's just lucky to have dark lashes.

If you see sexual abuse in dark lashes and fuzzy hair then I despair.

It is Worth Noting that Amelie McCann has the Very same Dark Lashes and you can See them Prominetly in the Photos of the McCanns ariving Back in England.

If it's Eye Liner and Mascara it's Rather Artfully Applied -- Like a Professional Makeup Artist - Women wish They Got Theirs to Look so Natural.

If it turns out that the Gaspars were right and the dogs were right, will you despair for what Madeleine possibly went through before she died and will you feel any quilt for trying to justify the evidence collected so far?

While things like this are still up in the air then I cannot contemplate giving anyone the benefit of the doubt as you can.

I would rather be suspicious and wrong than try to justify their actions and be wrong.

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Post by bellatrix on 23.01.10 22:39

@aliberte2 wrote:The Ramseys were Not Covered Up, the Case was Botched by an Inexperienced Police Department from the Moment they Arrived on the Scene. Sometimes Incompetence is just Incompetence. The Boulder Police were Not Used to Homicide Investigations.


Indeed and the Ramseys were persecuted for over 10years by people on the internet and the media as child killers,much was made of their lifestyle,clothes,behaviour etc and yet they have been exonerated as foreign DNA was eventually found.

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Justice for JonBenet

Post by Tony Bennett on 24.01.10 13:57

@bellatrix wrote:
@aliberte2 wrote:The Ramseys were Not Covered Up, the Case was Botched by an Inexperienced Police Department from the Moment they Arrived on the Scene. Sometimes Incompetence is just Incompetence. The Boulder Police were Not Used to Homicide Investigations.


Indeed and the Ramseys were persecuted for over 10 years by people on the internet and the media as child killers, much was made of their lifestyle ,clothes, behaviour etc and yet they have been exonerated as foreign DNA was eventually found.
re: "Exonerated as foreign DNA was eventually found".

The 'foreign DNA' found exonerated no-one.

The local police chief might have said the Ramseys were exonerated.

But most Americans don't think they were exonerated.

Not with a garotted dead six-year-old found in their cellar two weeks after they screamed 'abduction'. And not after a ransom note for $118,000 was found, matching a sum the Ramseys had just acquired, and probably written in Mrs Ramsey's handwriting.

Fortunately, powerful helpers in their ring of child-abusers got them out of jail.

Justice for JonBenet.

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Post by nemesis/muratfan on 24.01.10 13:59

Once again a bunch of ill-informed people think they know more than the investigating officers.

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Post by Autumn on 24.01.10 14:04

From the McCannfiles - interesting information about the photos of Madeleine with wavy, possibly 'crimped' hair with extentions.

Heres the link:-

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id280.html

scroll down to near the end to the section entitled -
'[b]Were These Photographs Of Madeleine McCann Taken In Praia Da Luz?'

The photo on the right seems to show that Madeleine is wearing hair extentions.

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