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LISA IRWIN, 10 months: parents make tearful plea - AND - Aaliyah Lunsford, missing in U.S., aged 3: LATEST

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Post by Gillyspot on 12.10.11 8:06

Now they have hired "Bill “Wild Bill” Stanton, a former New York policeman who has served as an ABC News and NBC News security consultant,"

Bill “Wild Bill” Stanton, a former New York policeman who has served as an ABC News and NBC News security consultant, told reporters that he’ll be conducting an independent investigation, but added that he hopes to meet with police.

“I’m here to seek the truth,” Stanton told reporters during a briefing late Tuesday. “And wherever the truth leads, that’s where I’m going to go.”

Police did not immediately comment on the news about Stanton.

“We know she’s out there, and we know what the obvious focus is,” Stanton said. “We want to expand that focus.”

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/11/3200177/northland-well-being-searched.html#ixzz1aY5Bid3o

"“We know she’s out there, and we know what the obvious focus is,” Stanton said. “We want to expand that focus." Does that sound like a certain Mr McCann?

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Post by dragonfly on 12.10.11 22:13

Get 'em Gonçalo wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:“I’m here to seek the truth,” Stanton told reporters during a briefing late Tuesday. “And wherever the truth leads, that’s where I’m going to go.”

This is really not looking good for little baby Lisa.

Thank goodness for people like Stanton.

A nationally known private investigator is now working with Lisa Irwin’s family to find the missing infant, who disappeared more than a week ago.
Kansas City police will welcome any tips or information that Stanton can provide, but he won’t have access to the case file or any sensitive information in the case, a department spokeswoman said.
Stanton said his focus is on finding the little girl.
“We know she’s out there, and we know what the obvious focus is,” he said. “We want to expand that focus.”
Stanton’s statement followed an unsuccessful search by police earlier Tuesday at a vacant Northland home near the Irwin residence. Investigators focused on a 40-foot-deep well.
Police spokeswoman Sgt. Stacey Graves said the well was drained and nothing was recovered. She said investigators would continue to follow up on tips

In other developments Tuesday, Lisa’s aunt announced on a national news show that the family expected police to charge Lisa’s mother in the case. The aunt later toned down that statement.

Read more: http://www.kansas.com/2011/10/11/2059396/private-investigator-joins-search.html#ixzz1abWv5Vmb



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Post by aiyoyo on 13.10.11 8:52

So Stanton is not a bogus private detective out to obfuscate matters then....... unlike the mccanns' PIs?

It seems these days people have no trust in Police and seem to have ready money to hire PIs - bit strange to me that.

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Post by Gillyspot on 13.10.11 12:43

@aiyoyo wrote:So Stanton is not a bogus private detective out to obfuscate matters then....... unlike the mccanns' PIs?

It seems these days people have no trust in Police and seem to have ready money to hire PIs - bit strange to me that.

Actually I have read that he is more of a "Celebrity PI" mainly working as a "security consultant" for ABC and other news channels. He is from NYC so doesn't have a PI certificate for Kansas so the police will share no more with him than with you or I. He is being paid by a "wealthy family" with some connections to but not family of the Irwins.

Personally I think he is a total waste of time and no better than any of the McCanns detectives (I hope to be proved wrong though).

This case is shaping up like the McCanns. The Irwins said that the "abductor" got in through the window and the FBI now say most unlikely if not downright impossible.

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.10.11 14:28

@Gillyspot wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:So Stanton is not a bogus private detective out to obfuscate matters then....... unlike the mccanns' PIs?

It seems these days people have no trust in Police and seem to have ready money to hire PIs - bit strange to me that.

Actually I have read that he is more of a "Celebrity PI" mainly working as a "security consultant" for ABC and other news channels. He is from NYC so doesn't have a PI certificate for Kansas so the police will share no more with him than with you or I. He is being paid by a "wealthy family" with some connections to but not family of the Irwins.

Personally I think he is a total waste of time and no better than any of the McCanns detectives (I hope to be proved wrong though).

This case is shaping up like the McCanns. The Irwins said that the "abductor" got in through the window and the FBI now say most unlikely if not downright impossible.

Why is it in nearly every child missing case there is always a wealthy supporter willing to finance non qualified PI to interfere with Police investigation. What is the whole point when the police wont recognise the work of the PI or work with the PI? More to the point what can a PI without any credential or experience do that the Police can't?

These wealthy supporter just want to promote their name more like. It's baffling rich people mentality these days...they have more money than sense and too much time on their hands - that the trouble. If not that, then some idiots claiming to be experts will come along to criticise Police or prosecutor handling of forensics evidence and get the perpetrator off.

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Post by Daisy on 13.10.11 21:54

@aiyoyo wrote:


Why is it in nearly every child missing case there is always a wealthy supporter willing to finance non qualified PI to interfere with Police investigation. What is the whole point when the police wont recognise the work of the PI or work with the PI? More to the point what can a PI without any credential or experience do that the Police can't?

These wealthy supporter just want to promote their name more like. It's baffling rich people mentality these days...they have more money than sense and too much time on their hands - that the trouble. If not that, then some idiots claiming to be experts will come along to criticise Police or prosecutor handling of forensics evidence and get the perpetrator off.


I have to question that statement aiyoyo. Only the 'chosen' cases get to be exposed and gain such
high profile status to invite that kind of financial speculation (it's quite rare actually).
Sadly the majority of cases don't even see the light of day. They are
held within a secretive and corrupt system, attracting maybe the same, or
a different kind of speculator. It's a huge market. Children are economic units, commodities. Some of these so called philanthropists are making a lot of money by using children in many different ways. Unsavoury but true.

When I say 'the majority' I mean the majority. This is not just my opinion, nor is it conspricay talk, it's fact. (I can back this up if need be?) I had no idea how bad the situation was until I started digging deeper. I'm no longer 'baffled by the mentality of these rich people with too much time on their hands'.I'm not a religous person but I will say: God bless all those missing children that go unnoticed and never get a mention.

Aaliyah? Lumsford

Not
much news about the other missing girl, the 3 yr old is there? She's
been missing for 3 weeks now? I tried searching (via scroogle) for any
updates but the last 3 hits I get is for this forum. I can't find any recent news. Mind you, I've seen
her forename 'Aaliyah' spelt so many different ways from so many
different sources that it's hard to know what her real christian name is? I thought that could be hindering my search. I'd appreciate any reliable updates for this case.

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Post by Marian on 13.10.11 22:05

Daisy: I haven't seen the missing 3 year old's first name given as anything other than Aaliyah - clearly named after the singer who died in a plane crash some years ago. You're right that there doesn't seem to be anything recent about this case. It sounds so similar to that of the Australian girl last year.

P.S. The surname is LUNSFORD not LUMSFORD.

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Post by Daisy on 14.10.11 0:15

@Marian wrote:Daisy: I haven't seen the missing 3 year old's first name given as anything other than Aaliyah - clearly named after the singer who died in a plane crash some years ago. You're right that there doesn't seem to be anything recent about this case. It sounds so similar to that of the Australian girl last year.

P.S. The surname is LUNSFORD not LUMSFORD.

Lol.. the irony. I did mean LUNSFORD honest, it was a typo!

I've seen the name Aaliyah spelt: Aaillyah; Aliyah & Aliayah. Check it out. I suppose it's an easy name to get wrong though. I've seen Madeleine misspelt numerous times.

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Post by dragonfly on 14.10.11 0:52

.[/quote]
Aaliyah? Lumsford
I'd appreciate any reliable updates for this case.[/quote]

Daisy this site has info
http://humbleopinionforum.net/2011/10/08/aliayah-lunsford-update-8-october-2011-the-suspects/

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Post by aiyoyo on 14.10.11 1:24

@Daisy wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:


Why is it in nearly every child missing case there is always a wealthy supporter willing to finance non qualified PI to interfere with Police investigation. What is the whole point when the police wont recognise the work of the PI or work with the PI? More to the point what can a PI without any credential or experience do that the Police can't?

These wealthy supporter just want to promote their name more like. It's baffling rich people mentality these days...they have more money than sense and too much time on their hands - that the trouble. If not that, then some idiots claiming to be experts will come along to criticise Police or prosecutor handling of forensics evidence and get the perpetrator off.


I have to question that statement aiyoyo. Only the 'chosen' cases get to be exposed and gain such
high profile status to invite that kind of financial speculation (it's quite rare actually).
Sadly the majority of cases don't even see the light of day. They are
held within a secretive and corrupt system, attracting maybe the same, or
a different kind of speculator. It's a huge market. Children are economic units, commodities. Some of these so called philanthropists are making a lot of money by using children in many different ways. Unsavoury but true.

When I say 'the majority' I mean the majority. This is not just my opinion, nor is it conspricay talk, it's fact. (I can back this up if need be?) I had no idea how bad the situation was until I started digging deeper. I'm no longer 'baffled by the mentality of these rich people with too much time on their hands'.I'm not a religous person but I will say: God bless all those missing children that go unnoticed and never get a mention.

Aaliyah? Lumsford

Not
much news about the other missing girl, the 3 yr old is there? She's
been missing for 3 weeks now? I tried searching (via scroogle) for any
updates but the last 3 hits I get is for this forum. I can't find any recent news. Mind you, I've seen
her forename 'Aaliyah' spelt so many different ways from so many
different sources that it's hard to know what her real christian name is? I thought that could be hindering my search. I'd appreciate any reliable updates for this case.

While it's true to a large extent that the some rich and sick are sadly involved in unsavoury activities involving missing children, in the past we hardly heard of rich supporting PI to interfere with Police work involving missing children. At most if the family themselves could afford it they may hire PI on the side on the quiet.

But nowadays we have mccanns and their series of expensive bogus PIs. Now we have Lisa Irwin's parents who are neither in the same social class as the mccanns nor having the same chain connections a wealthy public personnel has got an dodgy qualified PI involved in the search for Lisa. Motive in Madeleine case is one thing. Purpose in Lisa's case seems another thing. In the former the parents were knowingly involved in the PI scam while in the latter the PI was probably forced on Irwins. But, both cases have a wealthy person willing to finance the PIs - that is my point. Why the rich are willing to do that is what is baffling me. What would be their ulterior motive? BK's motive cant be noble because of his direct involvement in the series of dodgy hires and tampering with witnesses, but what about the lisa's PI supporter? Is that for a noble or selfish (promote one's name) reason?

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Post by Daisy on 15.10.11 0:58

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Daisy wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:


Why is it in nearly every child missing case there is always a wealthy supporter willing to finance non qualified PI to interfere with Police investigation. What is the whole point when the police wont recognise the work of the PI or work with the PI? More to the point what can a PI without any credential or experience do that the Police can't?

These wealthy supporter just want to promote their name more like. It's baffling rich people mentality these days...they have more money than sense and too much time on their hands - that the trouble. If not that, then some idiots claiming to be experts will come along to criticise Police or prosecutor handling of forensics evidence and get the perpetrator off.


I have to question that statement aiyoyo. Only the 'chosen' cases get to be exposed and gain such
high profile status to invite that kind of financial speculation (it's quite rare actually).
Sadly the majority of cases don't even see the light of day. They are
held within a secretive and corrupt system, attracting maybe the same, or
a different kind of speculator. It's a huge market. Children are economic units, commodities. Some of these so called philanthropists are making a lot of money by using children in many different ways. Unsavoury but true.

When I say 'the majority' I mean the majority. This is not just my opinion, nor is it conspricay talk, it's fact. (I can back this up if need be?) I had no idea how bad the situation was until I started digging deeper. I'm no longer 'baffled by the mentality of these rich people with too much time on their hands'.I'm not a religous person but I will say: God bless all those missing children that go unnoticed and never get a mention.

Aaliyah? Lumsford

Not
much news about the other missing girl, the 3 yr old is there? She's
been missing for 3 weeks now? I tried searching (via scroogle) for any
updates but the last 3 hits I get is for this forum. I can't find any recent news. Mind you, I've seen
her forename 'Aaliyah' spelt so many different ways from so many
different sources that it's hard to know what her real christian name is? I thought that could be hindering my search. I'd appreciate any reliable updates for this case.

While it's true to a large extent that the some rich and sick are sadly involved in unsavoury activities involving missing children, in the past we hardly heard of rich supporting PI to interfere with Police work involving missing children. At most if the family themselves could afford it they may hire PI on the side on the quiet.

But nowadays we have mccanns and their series of expensive bogus PIs. Now we have Lisa Irwin's parents who are neither in the same social class as the mccanns nor having the same chain connections a wealthy public personnel has got an dodgy qualified PI involved in the search for Lisa. Motive in Madeleine case is one thing. Purpose in Lisa's case seems another thing. In the former the parents were knowingly involved in the PI scam while in the latter the PI was probably forced on Irwins. But, both cases have a wealthy person willing to finance the PIs - that is my point. Why the rich are willing to do that is what is baffling me. What would be their ulterior motive? BK's motive cant be noble because of his direct involvement in the series of dodgy hires and tampering with witnesses, but what about the lisa's PI supporter? Is that for a noble or selfish (promote one's name) reason?

I understand your point now. You raise some very interesting questions that I need to think about.

@ dragonfly. ta very much Edit: the latest update on that link is 8th Oct

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Post by dragonfly on 15.10.11 1:53

@daisy

We certainly have narrowed our focus and we have narrowed our timeline down about the circumstances surrounding this missing child."
Investigators say it's helped them narrow down the persons of interest list, and confirms the thoughts that it is either a murder, a concealment, or an abduction. One or more people may be involved in her disappearance, and they could face a variety of charges

"A conspiracy, it could be, it could be but I'm not ruling that in, I'm not ruling that out, but I certainly can't rule that out right now;" Said Killeen. "Both federal and state crimes right now we're looking at."

FBI Special Agent Killeen says that investigators do not believe any other children are in harms way.

They won't comment on if there are any suspects, but they say the persons of interest list has also shortened.

http://www.wdtv.com/index.php/home/local-news/9508-investigation-narrows-in-aliayah-lunsford-disappearance

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Post by Shibboleth on 15.10.11 10:58

She has learned her lessons well at the Susan Smith School of Drama.

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Post by Daisy on 15.10.11 23:09

Thanks once again dragonfly. I think I understand why it's so low profile now. Also, not much $'s to be made out this case I guess.

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Pat Brown discusses the Irwin case

Post by Marian on 16.10.11 23:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0jrz_OlMTw

There's a mention of the McCanns starting at 17.54.

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Post by IAmNotMerylStreep on 18.10.11 8:10



It didn't take long for this story to start "raising suspicion".

Four years of questionable activities by the McCanns and their acquaintances have still yet to raise suspicion by our own government, police and media.

It'll be interesting to see how Lisa's parents are treated should it turn out that they had something to do with her disappearance.

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So many parallels

Post by tigger on 18.10.11 9:38

@IAmNotMerylStreep wrote:

It didn't take long for this story to start "raising suspicion".

Four years of questionable activities by the McCanns and their acquaintances have still yet to raise suspicion by our own government, police and media.

It'll be interesting to see how Lisa's parents are treated should it turn out that they had something to do with her disappearance.

In the appeal:
please put her in a place of safety
she needs to be with her family
anyone who has any information
(the phrasing of the above is clearly copied from the McCanns)

in the abduction:
the window
three mobiles
time of putting to bed moved to 6.40 (from about 10)
most unusual MO for a burglar or an abductor, more so for one who appears to be both

strategy:
cuddly toy
find Lisa fund
family spokesperson
private detective
happy photographs
beautiful Lisa - everybody loved her

And so on - I'd put money on it being a hoax and will give the proceeds to Amaral.


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Post by Bebootje on 18.10.11 9:44

Right. Very smelly

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Post by madge on 18.10.11 9:51

If it is a hoax then I pray the baby is still alive somewhere and they're not just trying to distract from her death like the McCanns.

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defending the indefendable

Post by Bebootje on 18.10.11 10:45

@Madge, I am afraid they do. They seem copy cats to me. But they don't have the same "tools" the McCanns have and I feel that we will learn the truth much sooner.
http://shadplay.blogspot.com/2011/10/lisairwin-mccanns-defending.html?spref=tw

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mum drinking before child went missing

Post by dragonfly on 18.10.11 11:15

Scores of FBI agents descend on house where Baby Lisa's parents are staying and search it after mother admits she was 'blackout' drunk the night infant vanished
Parents hire celebrity lawyer Joe Tacopina while maintaining their innocence
Deborah Bradley admits she had been drinking before her daughter went missing
She also changed story about the time she last saw the child
Handyman Johnny Tanko questioned after unrelated arrest


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050116/Lisa-Irwin-missing-Babys-mother-Deborah-Bradley-blackout-drunk.html#ixzz1b7wRr0kl

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Post by MrsC on 18.10.11 13:26

I'm just back from New York and watched this story unfolding on the news with great interest.

Nancy Grace, who is currently participating in the current series of Dancing with the Stars, is a legal commentator and former prosecuter. I watched her tear apart Lisa's mothers story, she doesn't believe she is innocent and she isn't afraid to say so. More importantly, she isn't being stopped from saying so.

I wondered if she has had any interest in the McCann case?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Grace

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Post by happychick on 18.10.11 13:36

Yes she has. She said the Maddy story was preposterous.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0709/10/ng.01.html

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