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SY Review Team - Includes STATEMENT 6 Oct by Inspector Steve Bentley

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Post by Guest on 20.10.11 9:02

clapping1 Well done kiko, all fingers crossed.

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Post by aiyoyo on 20.10.11 16:45

@kikoraton wrote:I emailed him today. Let's hope we can give him some encouragement.

It depends on two things: how strong evidence PJ had of May3rd death - reliability of witness account of sighting of Maddie on May3rd, and Kikoraton's professional track records as 'communications and data analyst' in order that the PJ will afford her theory credibility.

Amaral is no longer with the PJ so the best way would probably be for someone based in Portugal to ask PJ to whom evidence pertaining to Madeleine case should be addressed to. I bet there's no one specifically in charge of it now as being cold case the files are filed and dusted, but if evidence were received pertaining to it, someone will be allocated to look at it. Whether the someone will just be junior police member or senior police officer is a $64m question. The PJ have plenty cases to solve and surely the mccanns is not set apart from the others and no particular one is of any special importance over another that it has to be given priority. I would imagine the PJ are no longer interested in the mccanns' case knowing that Maddie is dead and unless her remains is found, chances of prosecuting them successfully based on circumstantial evidence is worst than slim.

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Post by kikoraton on 20.10.11 20:56

You're probably right, aiyoyo, but I believe we already have strong circumstantial evidence, and if (through further development of the phone records) we could reinforce it, then that would give me a great deal of satisfaction. I'd also love to find that some members or ex-members of the PJ were interested in taking this further.

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Post by aiyoyo on 21.10.11 2:50

@kikoraton wrote:You're probably right, aiyoyo, but I believe we already have strong circumstantial evidence, and if (through further development of the phone records) we could reinforce it, then that would give me a great deal of satisfaction. I'd also love to find that some members or ex-members of the PJ were interested in taking this further.

Your tireless work and effort are commendable kikoraton. I certainly hope PJ are still hoping to prosecute the mccanns based just on strong circumstantial evidence.

However, the problem with Portugal judiciary system is that PJ works are conducted under the directives of Public Prosecutor afaik. Hence, I would imagine (of course I may be wrong) that any new evidence received by PJ, even addressed to last officer in charge of the case, will not be looked unless authorisation from Public Prosecutor is sought and had. That being the case even if PJ have the volition and determination to study any incoming evidence pertaining to a shelved case or cold case their hands are tied by the systems structure and cant do anything without first having to consult someone higher in the hierarchy to seek permission to analyse the data.

Of course I suppose if the last officer in charge feels strong conviction and determination to solve the case regardless of system obstacles then maybe s/he will find ways to push for the new evidence to be studied. But I dont hold out hope for that. I suspect a better ( probably quicker and more effective ) way to get new evidence looked at is if you (or anyone with evidence) were to address the parcel to someone within the judiciary with the authority (and I suspect it would be the PP or better still someone higher up in the hierarchy) b/c they are the only ones with the remit to instruct or not instruct the study of the new evidence.

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Post by kikoraton on 21.10.11 8:38

Hmmm.........I think you may be correct. It could be a whole lot easier to take the car, a plane, overground train, then Tube to Belgravia, walk a bit, and sit tight until DCI Redwood agrees to see me!

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Good luck.

Post by tigger on 21.10.11 8:50

@kikoraton wrote:I emailed him today. Let's hope we can give him some encouragement.

I'm still convinced that the only reason Amaral sticks to the accident 3/5, is that there is enough evidence to make that stick in court.
He only had two options: neglect or accident to get them convicted.

I'm sure that he is aware of a lot of circumstantial evidence and perhaps this will become so overwhelming that the true state of affairs will become clear, not least because of the phone records and perhaps the unusual collection of people at PdL at that time.
I just have a feeling that Burgau and Easter/Donegal are important, the overture so to speak.
Wouldn't it be lovely to have a log of their calls as from the 1st of April?
Gerry had contacts in PdL and been there several times, Payne had contacts in PdL.

The holiday was only a week. How divergent was the content and behaviour of the core group during this holiday? Were Majorca and Greece much longer?


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Post by Buildersbum on 21.10.11 9:04

@AskTheDogsSandra wrote:I agree, Stella. The only way to get this case reopened is to approach the Portuguese because we all know the Brits are supporting the McCanns to get them permanently off the hook at the taxpayers expense, which will give the McC's the green light to carry on their Fund indefinitely. Madeleine's life means nothing to her parents or our government and police. I trust TB has also sent his dossiers to the PJ/Portuguese prosecutor/Goncalo/. If not, why not?

What needs to be found out is "why the protection/what reason for the protection" of the McCanns this imo is equally if not more important then finding further evidence, if this could be found, then I'm sure this case would be well on its way to be solved, we are so involved in evidence, how Maddy died, the fund and the re-opening of the case that we get diverted away from the real reason what STOPS this case from been solved, and imo its not lack of evidence.

Scotland Yard have got a lot on with this "Review" if they fudge/white wash this, they know, there is a real chance that its ALL going to come out in the next couple of years, just like the Hackgate trouble going on now..........can SCOTLAND YARD really afford more serious scandal, I think not, I wouldn't put my house on it but I'm 90% sure that this review could set off a chain reaction, for all the right reasons.

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Re: SY Review Team - Includes STATEMENT 6 Oct by Inspector Steve Bentley

Post by Guest on 21.10.11 10:56

I'm beginning to think that all roads lead to the Government. big grin

CarterRuck still represent them and get them out of sticky Trafigura like spots.
Clarence Mitchell, used to work for the Government.
Philip Edmonds, guest, is the nephew of a senior Labour Minister and Stemcor's Steel, would be well protected by them.
Alistair Hynd,guest, works for Baker Tilly, they provide services for Government sectors.
All the Doctors work for the NHS, who ultimately work for them.
Des Browne, British Defence Secretary, was contacted on the night.
Paul Weinburger, guests, works a Porton Down, a secret Government laboratory.

Then there are numerous other individuals who work for big Pharmaceutical companies and Banks, who provide huge amounts of revenue for the Government.

This might be the sticking point in the end !!

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The source who is a McCann Team insider speaks to the Scotland Yard Review Team

Post by Tony Bennett on 31.10.11 9:49

On Monday 3 October [the day following 'Goncalo Amaral Day'] we visited the HQ of the Scotland Yard Review Team, met and spoke with Detective Inspector Tim Dobson, and handed in a dossier of evidence about the conduct of the private investigations conducted by the McCann Team under the personal direction of Cheshire multi-millionaire businessman, Mr Brian Kennedy.

On a number of occasions I have referred to information we hold from a 'McCann Team insider'. We have conveyed the fact that we hold this information to the Scotland Yard Review Team. This source has contacted us on a number of occasions but had not been in touch with us for months.

However, in response to a letter and e-mail sent to her again recently, I am pleased to say she has now communicated with us again.

She has told us that 'within a week of the Scotland Yard Review Team having been set up', she contacted the Scotland Yard Review Team and had a long conversation with 'one of the detectives there'. She explained that she was in a position to give valuable information to the Scotland Yard Review Team from the perspective of someone who worked within the McCann Team. However, she told me that the Scotland Yard Review Team had not yet been in touch with her to take a full statement.

During a recent conversation (last couple of weeks), she asked if I would contact Detective Chief Inspector Redwood and urge him to take a full statement from her. This I have now done.

The Scotland Yard Review Team had urged me to disclose the identity of our source. With this lady's permission, and indeed encouragement, I have now done so.

I would very much like to share publicly all the information we have been given by her, but we are simply not in a position to be able to do so. She remains nervous for obvious reasons about the reaction from the McCann Team should her identity become known.

But I can just reveal one small aspect of what she has told us.

And that is about the 'evidence' of Jane Tanner.

Our source has been able to tell us two things that happened in the early days following the reported disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The first is that the International Family Law Group worked closely with Jane Tanner in the first few days after Madeleine's reported disappearance to compose and refine her statement about the man she claimed to have seen walking away from Apartment G5A carrying a child.

The second piece of information is that Jane Tanner's statement had to go through four separate drafts before everyone was happy with it. These drafts reveal a number of significant variations from one draft statement to the next, including for example very different accounts of how close she was to the man she claimed to have seen when she 'saw' him.

One of the most significant aspects of this revelation is the light it sheds on the role of the International Family Law Group, and in particular on its founder, one David Hodson.

I think I am right in saying that the International Family Law Group (IFLG) was only founded in early 2007, just before Madeleine McCann was reported missing, in fact. Ever since, they have made much of the 'help' they gave to Drs Gerald and Kate McCann, as this recent news article on their website again makes clear:

http://www.familylaw.co.uk/articles/Davidhodson12052011

It's our hope that D.C.I. Redwood will very soon delegate one of his senior investigators to fully debrief our source - a McCann Team insider who is clearly willing to yield up her information.

It might also be a good idea if one of D.C.I. Redwood's top analysts were to get hold as soon as possible of those draft statements that Jane Tanner worked up with the help of the IFLG. They might well shed further light on the crediblity of Ms Tanner.

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 10:05

I have been saying for a very long time now that the sign-off signatures at the tops of her statement pages, do not all match. Which to me suggests, not the whole document was replaced, but just one page. I will double check this out now.

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 10:10

Stella wrote:I have been saying for a very long time now that the sign-off signatures at the tops of her statement pages, do not all match. Which to me suggests, not the whole document was replaced, but just one page. I will double check this out now.

Or maybe all were replaced exept the one page with different sign off?

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Post by pennylane on 31.10.11 10:17

Thank you so much, Tony!

Interesting that SY have not asked this 'McCann Team insider' for a statement yet. Hope it isn't due to an attempt to avoid anything that may incriminate the doctors' McCann and their entourage.

It's very telling indeed that others on the scene are privy to the manipulation of Tanner's bundleman sighting. Of course many of us who have watched this case closely from day 1, have seen the endless changes and manipulations with our very own eyes, and cannot believe that Kate and Gerry McCann are still free to roam.

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Post by PeterMac on 31.10.11 10:24

I wonder what JT will make of this when she reads it.

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 10:34

Page 42 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_42.jpg

Page 43 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P1/01_VOLUME_Ia_Page_43.jpg

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The first two pages, 42 and 43 are different to all the other pages. But this could mean two things. Either 42 & 43 were possibly replaced, or, page 44 through to page 48, a total of 5 pages, have possibly been replaced. I tend to think it is the first two pages myself.

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Post by jd on 31.10.11 10:38

Thanks Tony for this update. With an insider ready to give a statement to the SY team, it makes you wonder why they haven't instantly followed up on this months ago like they should be doing if they are good honest detectives seeking the truth & justice, and why it took constant asking of them to do so. Just like why the gaspar statements were not revealed for 6 months by the Leicestershire police and only revealed when the case was closed! I think we can draw our own conclusions about this! It is clear for all to see that have read JT statements how contradictory they are (you know you know!) and a pack of lies

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 10:42

I vaguely remember some of the Portuguese talking about 2 people asking to change their statements.

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 11:31

I have checked all the other statements now and they are all consistent. So if by some chance another one did change their statement, maybe they changed the whole thing.

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IFLG - there when 'help' was most needed

Post by Tony Bennett on 31.10.11 11:50

Stella wrote:I have checked all the other statements now and they are all consistent. So if by some chance another one did change their statement, maybe they changed the whole thing.
Just to clarify for Stella and others, what the 'insider' source was telling us about the International Family Law Group 'helping' Jane Tanner with her statements appears to refer to the period between her first statement to the police (4 May) and this (second) one on 10 May:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

It looks like the International Family Law Group turned up at just the 'right' time.

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Post by jd on 31.10.11 11:57

@Tony Bennett wrote:
It looks like the International Family Law Group turned up at just the 'right' time.

what another coincidence!

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 12:13

It was the 4th May statement that appears to have different pages. So if IFLG came onto the scene after the 4th May, this might explain why that one looks like it has been changed in part. Then the 'four' drafts to get the 10th May one right, would be consistent with every page on that one, we can see as matching.

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IFLG - hmmm!

Post by Marian on 31.10.11 12:41

And of course wasn't it they who according to Kate in her book (so it must be true!) advised her to set up the limited company in their discussions with her over the weekend of 12th to 13th May 2007?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.10.11 12:50

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Stella wrote:I have checked all the other statements now and they are all consistent. So if by some chance another one did change their statement, maybe they changed the whole thing.
Just to clarify for Stella and others, what the 'insider' source was telling us about the International Family Law Group 'helping' Jane Tanner with her statements appears to refer to the period between her first statement to the police (4 May) and this (second) one on 10 May:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER-10MAY.htm

It looks like the International Family Law Group turned up at just the 'right' time.
Further to the above post, I understand that the information provided by the source has been challenged on the grounds that IFLG didn't arrive in Praia da Luz until 11 May, whereas Jane Tanner had made her two statements on 4 and 10 May.

Now, one thing I will say is that it is possible that the source might be mistaken as to precisely who assisted Jane Tanner with her recollections. It seems that Control Risks Group may have been involved. Or Leicestershire Police. Or others who may have had connections to one or other of the security services. All I will add to that is that (1) other information given to us confidentially by this source has been confirmed and we are fully satisfied that the source is authentic and (2) that the source has both first-hand knowledge of certain events and also second-hand knowledge. The information about who helped Jane Tanner with her statements is second-hand rather than first-hand.

The role of IFLG is covered on pages 124-7 of Dr Kate McCann's book, 'madeleine'.

In brief, this is what she says about IFHG:

p. 124

"One of the offers of help we'd received came from a paralegal based in Leicester, via a colleague of Gerry's. He worked for a firm specialosing in family law, the International Family Law Group".

COMMENT: Dr Kate McCann does not give the date this offer of help was made.

She says: "It was difficult to know what this company could do but we decided it would be worth meeting with them to discuss the possibiities".

COMMENT: The date this decision was made is not stated in the book.

Dr Kate: "So on the afternoon of Friday 11 May, the paralegal, accompanied by a barrister, flew out to Portugal. We'd warned them to keep their arrival at our apartment low-key, so as not to attract any unwanted attention from the media...In they came, dressed in bow ties and braces - the barrister was even wearing a panama hat. I heaved a sigh. They might as well have had great big arrows pointing at their heads reading 'lawyer'."

Dr Kate says there was a meeting with these two on Friday and then two more 'over the course of that weekend'. She says: "..the barrister first of all assured us that our behaviour [in leaving the children alone while they dined over a minute's walk away] was not negligent and was indeed 'well within the bounds of reasonable parenting'."

COMMENT: So far as I am aware, this barrister has never been named.

She says the IFLG then advised about making Madeleine a Ward of Court. She then gives a short description of what is involved in wardship proceedings.

p. 125

Dr Kate says the idea of setting up a fighting fund came from IFLG. "One of Gerry's colleagues...had called to say that the staff in his department wanted to make a donation to assist with the search for Madeleine but didn't know how or where to deposit it. IFLG told us that we neded to set up a 'fighting fund'. They would devise the objectives of the fund and instruct a leading charity law firm, Bates Wells and Braithwaite (BWB), to draw up articles of association".

Then Dr Kate writes:

"At the last two meetings the barrister and legal assistant were joined by a consultant called Hugh, whose profession was not at first explained ('Just call me Hugh', he said engimatically). It transpired that he was a former intelligence officer, now a kidnap negotiator and counsellor. We were told that an anonymous (but evidently very generous) donor had set aside a considerable sum of money for us to put towards the cost of hiring a private investigation company if we wished. Hugh had been brought in by a firm called Control Risks, which was primed to help. This company is an independent specialist risk consultancy..."

"The first session Hugh attended, which took place at night, had something of a James Bond atmosphere to it, and not in a good way..."

p. 126

Dr Kate: "By the Sunday evening [13 May - the day after Madeleine's 4th birthday] we found ourselves giving our statements again, this time to a couple of detectives from Control Risks. We were concerned that parts of the statements we had made to the Portuguese police, especially on that first day, might have been lost in translation...we made the mistake of assuming that the transcripts would be correct and discovered only many months later that these...contained inaccuracies".

Later: "It was after one of the IFLG meetings that Hugh asked me whether I was keeping a diary...'You should', he said. He didn't elaborate on why. The barrister handed me a spare A4 notebook he happened to have with him".

p. 127

Dr Kate: "On the day of our first meeting with IFLG, I had gone over to the Tapas area to meet up with Paddy, the husband of Bridget, a good friend of mine in Leicester. Paddy is, as Bridget put it, 'a man of God'. He's also six foot three, a big fella generally...he had decided to come out to Praia da Luz and join the search parties...I had asked Paddy if he had a Bible with him I could borrow. He brought me one that had been a Christmas present from him to Bridget several years earlier. That Bible is still sitting next to my bed. I must get round to returning it one day!"

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 13:19

IFLG has a Solicitor called Mandeep Gill. She graduated from Leicester University and her speciality amongst other things is 'International Child Abduction'. If you look at the OC Guest lists, you will see someone under a Donos booking, i.e., the owner is using their own apartment, booked in there on the 2nd May 2007, under the name of GILL.

Could that Gill booking, be one Mandeep Gill from the IFLG ?

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Post by Marian on 31.10.11 13:41

What a Trojan our Kate is. Someohow on Madeleine's 4th birthday 12th May she manged to get herself together enough to meet with the IFLG and thrash out the details of the K & G Pension Fund, sorry it's to help find Madeleine of course.

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Post by Guest on 31.10.11 14:16

This is interesting from the IFLG website.

The Hague Convention is an international Convention which has at present been signed by 70 countries. Each country agrees that it will not enter into a full investigation of custody, contact etc in respect of the child which will be left to the Court in the Country where the child was last Habitually Resident and instead merely secure return.

In England a parent from whom a child has been abducted is awarded public funding as of right. It is not means tested. The Central Authorities will then appoint an experienced panel solicitor to represent them. iFLG is regularly instructed and please contact us and we can liaise with the Central Authority for you.

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