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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.09.11 13:16

This seriously annoys me. The way any 'theory' that happens to involve a cover-up of what happened to MBM is 'implausible'.
Er, why is it implausible? I personally cannot imagine myself ever watching 'Desperate Housewives', but I know people do!

Seriously though, I think the worst has to be 'They are doctors, they wouldn't hurt their own child, no way could be child molesters and NO WAY would they stay in the spotlight if they were guilty, would they? So implausible!' -
Well, not long ago I watched 'Someone's Daughter, Someone's Son' on ITV, there was an episode about the murder of poor little Jamie Lavis. Now, the murderer was a paedophile bus driver who snatched Jamie, then MOVED IN with his grieving family, became their confidante AND family spokesman! He appeared on camera several times talking about ;Jamie, the murder, and denying his involvement. Implausible - and yet - he's in prison now after being found guilty.

Who would believe that a father could keep his daughter captive in his basement, father children with her, lie to his wife upstairs and wider family about his daughters whereabouts ALL whilst appearing 'normal' calm and unruffled? Implausible - yet we know Josef Fritzl managed it!

A father and mother who tortured and killed their own daughters, lodgers etc buried them in their garden and under their house whilst outwardly giving nothing away for years? Implausible to me, yet Fred and Rose West did it.

School caretaker repeatedly appearing on camera, talking about two missing girls, he became a 'talking head' for the media in his village. Yes - Ian Huntley - murderer of Holly and Jess.

So WHY do the Pro's CONTINUE TO INSIST that Kate and Gerry could not have covered up what happened to Madeleine? Why should it be so 'implausible'?

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Post by PeterMac on 28.09.11 14:46

@rainbow-fairy wrote: SNIP... So WHY do the Pro's CONTINUE TO INSIST that Kate and Gerry could not have covered up what happened to Madeleine? Why should it be so 'implausible'?
Because they have no choice.
They cannot allow any sensible discussion or logical examination of what is known.
They must keep attacking, either by using foul-mouthed trolls to try to disrupt the debate, or using C-R, or both in the case of Muratfan who claims to be sponsored by Carter-Ruck
(And if I am correct this has never been formally denied by Carter-Ruck or the McCans either directly or through their spokesman !)

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Post by HotlipsHealy on 28.09.11 14:48

It's almost as if the McCanns and their supporters are some kind of Organised Crime group. They act like the mafia.

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Post by Guest on 28.09.11 14:57

I will never forget the conversation I had once with this young girl whose Daddy was paying for her to go to drama school, as she was training to be an actress one day. sarcastic She said to me it was genuine grief that Kate and Gerry were showing on tv and "they are doctors not actors". rotfl

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Post by HotlipsHealy on 28.09.11 15:02



Genuine grief like this? smug


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Post by Guest on 28.09.11 15:04

spit coffee that's the one.

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Post by Ollie on 28.09.11 15:09

A parent/boyfriend/girlfriend stands by and does nothing while the other parent/boyfriend/girlfriend physically abuses a child resulting in the death of the child - implausible - no, it happens all too frequently!

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Post by Gillyspot on 28.09.11 15:33

@Ollie wrote:A parent/boyfriend/girlfriend stands by and does nothing while the other parent/boyfriend/girlfriend physically abuses a child resulting in the death of the child - implausible - no, it happens all too frequently!




But Kate and Gerry are "DOCTORS" and doctors are perfect, truthful and honest in every way (except Harold Shipman, Dr Crippen, etc of course)

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Post by tigger on 28.09.11 16:21

@Gillyspot wrote:
@Ollie wrote:A parent/boyfriend/girlfriend stands by and does nothing while the other parent/boyfriend/girlfriend physically abuses a child resulting in the death of the child - implausible - no, it happens all too frequently!




But Kate and Gerry are "DOCTORS" and doctors are perfect, truthful and honest in every way (except Harold Shipman, Dr Crippen, etc of course)

There's a new film out soon 'Code Blue', the writer researched the number of nurses in many countries who have been tried for murder. Quite a lot it turns out. Quite a lot of victims too.
In my experience, doctors, just because they've gone to 'doctor school' are no different in other respects from 'ordinary' people. However, IMO the professions of nursing and medicine tend to appeal to people who can isolate themselves from the distress of others. Besides that, they are in a position of power over the patient, which may also appeal to certain characters.
I did note that both the McCs like to be 'clever' : Gerry said 'she was lying in the recovery position' (I don't know who commented that only a Doctor would say that, errm, no and it's an asinine thing to say, given the circumstances, unless this really was true? 'Found her gone?'). Kate said 'we would call that a 'double blind study' in medicine...' .
Now people who are really comfortable in their profession don't need to cram it down one's throat.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.09.11 17:53

Thanks for all the fantastic responses!
PeterMac, I believe you could be right! They DON'T have anything.

Stella, really, truly, I don't think we can expect to see the little-rich-girl treading the boards anytime soon! Anyone who believes such a wooden, lack of emotion-on-a-stick person like Kate won't be truthful when acting. Guess she might JUST make it into EastEnders ;-)

HotlipsHealy, loved the pic, it really DID make me choke on my tea!

Ollie, what a truthful, succinctly put post. I'm sure we all remember poor little baby P.

Gillyspot, spot on! (Mind the pun!)

tigger, will look out for Code Blue, it sounds fascinating. I remember when Beverly Allitt aka 'the Angel of Death' was found guilty of killing those in her care. It was a national shocker!

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Post by Guest on 28.09.11 18:30

Great original article and replies. I've always been interested in reading up on true life crime stories to try and fathom what made people who appeared "normal" act in the way they did; the first case that I was old enough to know about was that of the Moors Murderers. I think that the interest in that one will outlve us all, maybe because like that of the Wests in Gloucester, the full extent of the crime (the exact number of victims) will probably never be known.

There has never been a case before with all the strange elements as that of the McCanns; it's sure to be talked about for years to come as well and who knows whether the truth will ever come out; all praise to those who are doing their best to achieve that.

As for those doing their best to silence doubters and cover up whatever happened in PDL, how do they sleep at night?

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Post by puzzled on 28.09.11 18:59

Stella wrote:I will never forget the conversation I had once with this young girl whose Daddy was paying for her to go to drama school, as she was training to be an actress one day. She said to me it was genuine grief that Kate and Gerry were showing on tv and "they are doctors not actors".

Psychopaths don't need any training in order to act! It comes as naturally to them as breathing.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.09.11 19:12

Jean wrote:Great original article and replies. I've always been interested in reading up on true life crime stories to try and fathom what made people who appeared "normal" act in the way they did; the first case that I was old enough to know about was that of the Moors Murderers. I think that the interest in that one will outlive us all, maybe because like that of the Wests in Gloucester, the full extent of the crime (the exact number of victims) will probably never be known.

There has never been a case before with all the strange elements as that of the McCanns; it's sure to be talked about for years to come as well and who knows whether the truth will ever come out; all praise to those who are doing their best to achieve that.

As for those doing their best to silence doubters and cover up whatever happened in PDL, how do they sleep at night?
Jean, I only wish I knew. I may be a 'so called 'anti'' but I'm very much PRO-MADDIE. I would love for her to get justice.

I just finished reading a book about Myra Hindley, 'One of Your Own', its a really good read. Shows how two people alone may never have done certain things, yet together... Well. I only hope Ian Brady puts poor Winnie Johnson out of her misery to allow her to bury Keith before it's too late. It's sure that Brady knows EXACTLY where EVERY victim lies, however many there may be. As do. IMHO, those in the case of little Maddie.

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Post by Marian on 28.09.11 22:23

Yes I think that it's possible that Brady and Hindley separately would not have killed anyone. I'm not sure if Brady can locate any more bodies as there have been many changes to the area over the years. To give him credit if it's possible to use that word in relation to him, he did bring closure to the Reade family by helping to locate their daughter's body in 1987.

Does anyone know if it's true that Myra Hindley left instructions for her ashes to be scattered on the moors and, if so, were they carried out? It may just be a myth but, if true, shows that she never really had any regret for her crimes.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 28.09.11 22:46

@Marian wrote:Yes I think that it's possible that Brady and Hindley separately would not have killed anyone. I'm not sure if Brady can locate any more bodies as there have been many changes to the area over the years. To give him credit if it's possible to use that word in relation to him, he did bring closure to the Reade family by helping to locate their daughter's body in 1987.

Does anyone know if it's true that Myra Hindley left instructions for her ashes to be scattered on the moors and, if so, were they carried out? It may just be a myth but, if true, shows that she never really had any regret for her crimes.

He did locate Pauline Reade, that's true - but he lead the officers a merry dance whilst doing so! Typical narcissistic psychopath, he enjoyed playing power games. The graves were mapped out precisely and photographs used as 'headstones' or markers. It's in the book I mentioned, if you enjoy reading I recommend it.
Re Myra - no, that is a myth. She left instructions to be cremated as she knew any gravesite would give macabre fascination.
Her former girlfriend Trisha scattered her ashes privately, NOT on the Moors, can't remebr where exactly. I'll check book again soon and re-post.

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Post by aiyoyo on 29.09.11 3:56

@puzzled wrote:
Stella wrote:I will never forget the conversation I had once with this young girl whose Daddy was paying for her to go to drama school, as she was training to be an actress one day. She said to me it was genuine grief that Kate and Gerry were showing on tv and "they are doctors not actors".

Psychopaths don't need any training in order to act! It comes as naturally to them as breathing.

Rubbish, my daughter is also in acting school and when she saw the mccanns on TV, she said they were acting and very bad actors at that -- Fake and contrived emotions. Not even one natural genuine grieving muscle was engaged in their expression of grief was all she said.

She said they appeared nervy and irritated all the time and ready to jump out of their skin full of fearful apprehension at interviewer's potential questions.

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Post by Gillyspot on 29.09.11 6:32

@aiyoyo wrote:
@puzzled wrote:
Stella wrote:I will never forget the conversation I had once with this young girl whose Daddy was paying for her to go to drama school, as she was training to be an actress one day. She said to me it was genuine grief that Kate and Gerry were showing on tv and "they are doctors not actors".

Psychopaths don't need any training in order to act! It comes as naturally to them as breathing.

Rubbish, my daughter is also in acting school and when she saw the mccanns on TV, she said they were acting and very bad actors at that -- Fake and contrived emotions. Not even one natural genuine grieving muscle was engaged in their expression of grief was all she said.

She said they appeared nervy and irritated all the time and ready to jump out of their skin full of fearful apprehension at interviewer's potential questions.

In my opinion they still do. Even in the latest German interview that I can't hear what they are saying clearly (or actually perhaps because I can't) they look very shifty and nervous and look over at each other a lot as though concerned what the other may say.

Thus having now done many, many interviews they should have no problems with telling what happened on the night, yet this is when they show the greatest amount of stress. Mind when you get Gerry onto the topic of the "fund" watch how he relaxes.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.09.11 7:39

@aiyoyo wrote:
@puzzled wrote:
Stella wrote:I will never forget the conversation I had once with this young girl whose Daddy was paying for her to go to drama school, as she was training to be an actress one day. She said to me it was genuine grief that Kate and Gerry were showing on tv and "they are doctors not actors".

Psychopaths don't need any training in order to act! It comes as naturally to them as breathing.

Rubbish, my daughter is also in acting school and when she saw the mccanns on TV, she said they were acting and very bad actors at that -- Fake and contrived emotions. Not even one natural genuine grieving muscle was engaged in their expression of grief was all she said.

She said they appeared nervy and irritated all the time and ready to jump out of their skin full of fearful apprehension at interviewer's potential questions.
aiyoyo - this is why I truly don't GET how anyone can be taken in by them when they've sat and watched them! Maybe slightly understandable for those who've only read the papers, but could anyone read Kate's novel and be convinced? Bad acting, bad writing (sounds like ann episode of 'Enders) except it's real life and how those two can do it is beyond me.
Anyone vaguely tempted to believe the McCanns shoulkd compare and contrast them with Sara and Michael Payne, who looked hollow and broken (and still do). Incidentally, I read Sarah Paynes' book about Sarah, I couldn't see the words for tears.Kate McCann take note, that is how a mother of a child truly abducted by a beast ACTUALLY behaves!

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.09.11 8:06

@aiyoyo wrote:
@puzzled wrote:
Stella wrote:I will never forget the conversation I had once with this young girl whose Daddy was paying for her to go to drama school, as she was training to be an actress one day. She said to me it was genuine grief that Kate and Gerry were showing on tv and "they are doctors not actors".

Psychopaths don't need any training in order to act! It comes as naturally to them as breathing.

Rubbish, my daughter is also in acting school and when she saw the mccanns on TV, she said they were acting and very bad actors at that -- Fake and contrived emotions. Not even one natural genuine grieving muscle was engaged in their expression of grief was all she said.

She said they appeared nervy and irritated all the time and ready to jump out of their skin full of fearful apprehension at interviewer's potential questions.
aiyoyo - this is why I truly don't GET how anyone can be taken in by them when they've sat and watched them! Maybe slightly understandable for those who've only read the papers, but could anyone read Kate's novel and be convinced? Bad acting, bad writing (sounds like ann episode of 'Enders) except it's real life and how those two can do it is beyond me.
Anyone vaguely tempted to believe the McCanns shoulkd compare and contrast them with Sara and Michael Payne, who looked hollow and broken (and still do). Incidentally, I read Sarah Paynes' book about Sarah, I couldn't see the words for tears.Kate McCann take note, that is how a mother of a child truly abducted by a beast ACTUALLY behaves!

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Post by Guest on 29.09.11 8:18

Don't worry folks, this budding nah actress is as naive as her Father was. I told him for 18 months that someone was stealing from the company, but did he believe me, nah. Eventually he did though. laughat
So as the old saying goes, there is 'none so blind, as those that will not see'. Bless their little cotton socks.

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Post by jmac on 29.09.11 12:00

Some people are more suggestible than others. As long as the media pump out sympathetic accounts of the McCanns there will be those who soak it up without criticism. Other people have made up their minds and won`t budge because it feels like losing. Then there are those who can`t get over the hurdle that these two are doctors, and how could they be involved? But something implausible has happened. A little girl has disappeared without a trace despite a massive search for her and four years of media hype. I don`t know how that happened, how it could have happened, and I have trouble imagining the possible scenarios, - but it happened.

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Post by aiyoyo on 29.09.11 12:18

To the contrary, it is precisely b/c they are doctors with plenty at stake that they fake abduction to cover up their arse.
Dont forget their holiday friends were also professionals with plenty at stake...reputation, job, future, family's name and friends..everything in fact and their everything is plenty.

Compared to a jobless in council housing with nothing to live for or look forward to then the need to protect for self preservation is lesser b/c there's nothing at stake other than justice. The poor has neither powerful connection nor means to cook up a cock and bull story to cover their arse anyway.

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.09.11 12:24

@jmac wrote:Some people are more suggestible than others. As long as the media pump out sympathetic accounts of the McCanns there will be those who soak it up without criticism. Other people have made up their minds and won`t budge because it feels like losing. Then there are those who can`t get over the hurdle that these two are doctors, and how could they be involved? But something implausible has happened. A little girl has disappeared without a trace despite a massive search for her and four years of media hype. I don`t know how that happened, how it could have happened, and I have trouble imagining the possible scenarios, - but it happened.
Happen it did, jmac! BIB - I do wonder how, if it's ever proven the McCanns were involved, these people will react? I wonder this because accusations have been levelled at 'people like us' on this board - that if it were proven the McC's were innocent, we'd still hate them and think there was a cover up! Personally, I'd RATHER believe parents aren't capable of doing horrific things to their children, but I know they do and in THIS case ALL THE EVIDENCE POINTS THAT WAY!

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Post by PeterMac on 29.09.11 13:00

@rainbow-fairy wrote:SNIP I do wonder how, if it's ever proven the McCanns were involved, these people will react? SNIP
The same way as Hanratty's family, who spent years demanding a DNA test, only for it to come back and prove that he was the murderer. So then they had to change tack and demand an investigation into how the DNA had been cross contaminated ...
And when that comes back and says it wasn't they will have to change tack again and say something else. They cannot let it go.
In one sense I cannot blame them. To accept that your close relative has done something dreadful must be very difficult.
The McCann's close family must be going through that every day, seeing the lies and distortions and nonsense being put about by Mitchell and others, but not allowing themselves to ask the questions which might overturn their faith in their kith and kin.

Blood is thicker than water.
And as someone once said " Faith is what remains when there is no evidence."

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Post by rainbow-fairy on 29.09.11 13:09

@PeterMac wrote:
@rainbow-fairy wrote:SNIP I do wonder how, if it's ever proven the McCanns were involved, these people will react? SNIP
The same way as Hanratty's family, who spent years demanding a DNA test, only for it to come back and prove that he was the murderer. So then they had to change tack and demand an investigation into how the DNA had been cross contaminated ...
And when that comes back and says it wasn't they will have to change tack again and say something else. They cannot let it go.
In one sense I cannot blame them. To accept that your close relative has done something dreadful must be very difficult.
The McCann's close family must be going through that every day, seeing the lies and distortions and nonsense being put about by Mitchell and others, but not allowing themselves to ask the questions which might overturn their faith in their kith and kin.

Blood is thicker than water.
And as someone once said " Faith is what remains when there is no evidence."
Well, I can't insert smilies on my blackBerry but - BRAVO! Well said, PeterMac :-)

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